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    Hi All,

    Just to encourage anyone else who has started a fast, or is contemplating it, I am now 3 days (about 78 hours) in to the fast, having done 30+ hours as a dry fast, then the rest as water and black coffee.

    A quick tip for anyone who hasn't read the whole of the thread is that I find it is good to take 10 turns of rocksalt from a dispenser and just put that in a glass with cold water, and quickly wash it all down (takes 10 seconds and you don't taste it too much). This helps to ward off any headaches.

    So far I have had no headaches, feel great, have lost 11 lbs! (I know that is hard to believe, but the scales don't lie - we have commented on this before that my body tends to retain water, so there is quite a lot of water weight lost at the beginning for me).

    I have been recording the weight steps on a chart, and I will post that at some point, maybe in a few day's time.

    That's it - all good so far!

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    Hi Avalonians,

    I don't post that often but I decided to document my first water fast here.

    I'm already 41 hours into the fast and lost about 1.4kg. I can easily lose 10-15kg so that's my goal for now.

    Decided not to limit myself to a number of days so I will be listening to my body and stop when it tells me to.

    That's it for now.

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    Quote Posted by BlueEyedPersian (here)
    Hi Avalonians,

    I don't post that often but I decided to document my first water fast here.

    I'm already 41 hours into the fast and lost about 1.4kg. I can easily lose 10-15kg so that's my goal for now.

    Decided not to limit myself to a number of days so I will be listening to my body and stop when it tells me to.

    That's it for now.

    BEP
    Hey BEP,

    Thanks for sharing. Well done on getting through 41 hours. I think you have broken the back of it now - it should be plain sailing for a while in my experience.

    My problem is that I do get a bit bored not eating, especially when my family (wife and kids) are carrying on with their normal eating regimes!

    I think you are exactly right to now listen to your body, but if you are so inclined, I am sure you will be able to keep going for several more days if not a week or two. I am not sure I will hold out that long as I have just found out I have to work in London for most of next week, and that makes it almost impossible to continue with the water fast, but we shall see - I can still go another 4 days or so before I get to that.

    Keep going whilst it is feeling ok

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    A minor note about fasting, that I've always been well aware of but haven't actually stated in any of my posts.

    After even quite a short fast (= 3 days or more), there's the opportunity to reset and reboot any habits that might have been lurking in there, maybe not always supportively.

    By 'habits', I mean things like reaching for sugary foods if wanting an energy boost, desires for candy, chocolate, coffee, or even bread, meat, french fries, chips, dairy, and goodness knows what else. (These things vary on a really broad spectrum!)

    When one starts refeeding (the medical-technical term for starting to eat again) one has the clear option to be very conscious and deliberate and get it all right, whatever 'right' is for you — as at that moment any minor addictions or habitual 'reaching-for's will be all deactivated and switched off. Then, one can just start again with a brand new plan.


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    Hi JC,

    Based on my weight goal I should be able to fast for 20+ days easily without reaching starvation mode.

    I work 10 hours a day and try to keep myself very busy as to not think about food.

    Good luck on your fast and keep sharing your experience as I will mine.

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    I wonder if you are a diabetic type 2 you can do that fast Any one knows ?
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    Quote Posted by Rosemarie (here)
    I wonder if you are a diabetic type 2 you can do that fast Any one knows ?
    Not an answer to your specific question but here's an interesting viewpoint on the emotional causes of diabetes which follows on from my earlier post in this thread.

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    Quote Posted by Rosemarie (here)
    I wonder if you are a diabetic type 2 you can do that fast Any one knows ?
    Yes it can be done, even in many cases type 2 diabetes was reversed with fasting. There are some caveats: if a diabetic is on medication, talk to a doctor about your plans.

    I recall from memory - please do your own research - that the most important part is you must monitor your blood sugar throughout the fast. Again recalling from memory, it was okay to stop taking metformin while fasting as long as blood sugar was monitored.

    If on insulin, your body responds differently to insulin shots while fasting, so the amounts of insulin needed will change - that’s the tricky part that needs to be worked out before fasting with someone like a doctor.

    Here is a link to Dr Jason Fung’s website, I found the information in the article links. And of course the many links on this thread with links to Dr Fungs interviews and his book will have more information.


    https://www.dietdoctor.com/diabetes

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/authors/dr-jason-fung-m-d

    Edit -
    Some relevant posts from Q&A:

    Q: I have had type 2 diabetes for 17 years, I am now 67. In my studies concerning reversing diabetes, I have come across a couple of statements saying in effect that for those of us who have had diabetes for a long period of time it is more difficult to reverse diabetes? Is this accurate information?

    A: That is certainly our experience. If you are recently diagnosed with T2D, it generally reverses quickly. If you have had it for 17 years, it will take more than a few months at least.


    Q: I’m on Metformin. I absolutely can’t take this med without food as it will cause me serious gastro issues. The last fast that I did, I simply discontinued the med for the 4 days and then resumed when I started eating solids again. Is that a wise thing to do, or am I potentially causing a problem?

    A: I can only say that we often hold metformin during fasting in our IDM clinic due to GI upset. This is OK as long as blood sugars remain in a good range. I cannot comment on whether you should take them yourself.


    Q:I am not looking for medical advice, just your thoughts on a general situation, what do you think would happen in general, in a hypothetic situation like this. You have somebody who are severly overweight, have been diagnosed with diabetes type-2 and have been on insulin for several years. The next day you remove all their medications and let them fast for 3 days. Off all the medications would such a person experience dangerously low sugars? I know that in un-diabetic people, bloodsugar never goes too low when they fast, even with weeks of fasting. I thought it only was dangerous for diabetics in general to fast if they used drugs, that ramped up their insulin production and they failed to meet this with adequate carbohydrate intake, during a fast.

    A: Yes, in the diabetic situation it is possible to get both high and low blood sugars. This should always be undertaken with physician supervision. As you point out, in the non diabetic, this hypoglycemia does not happen, but in diabetics, with their high baseline insulin levels, it is a strong possibility.

    We have seen this before, where diabetics who were taking a very high dose of insulin were able to get off their medications, but became hypoglycemic off all medications. It typically passes in a few weeks time, but in the meantime, clients can become symptomatic.


    Q: I am type 2 diabetic, and usually my fasting blood sugar is the highest of the day. It will go up 40+ overnight with no food eaten, even a fasting day. I have tried eating something, a boiled egg perhaps, and it does keep the sugar a bit lower in the morning. Is that enough to break my fast, or do you have another suggestion? I have talked to other diabetics who have the same problem, and no helpful advise from their doctors. Vinegar maybe? Any suggestions appreciated.

    A: Yes this is a common problem and is to do with the Dawn Phenomenon. Your body has a surge of ‘counter regulatory’ hormones just before waking that pumps sugar into the blood. This is why your fasting sugar is high despite not eating.

    This reflects your body’s insulin resistance. In essence, your body is moving too much sugar from storage into the blood. It just means that your body has too much sugar overall.

    You could either continue your fasting schedule and give it more time, or you could increase duration of fasting if you want to speed it up.


    Q: What is best fasting regime to help diabetic who had high HbA1c above 10 ?

    A: There is no ‘best’ fasting regimen. More intensive regimens produce faster results, but are not ‘better’. Some prefer to go slow and others fast. Some will find shorter duration fasts better and others find longer is better. Please see my ‘Fasting’ series of blogs on my website for more information.


    Q: I am a type 2 diabetic and am on a low carb/high fat (LCHF) diet and am now fasting in the day, my normal day is I have a litre off water on the way to work with unsalted nuts, approx 50g and drink 2 or 3 black coffees in day and when I get home have dinner, either meat or fish with veg. If I’m am still hungry I will have some blueberries and strawberries with double cream. I have been doing this for a week and a half and have lost 10 lbs and have a blood sugar now of between 6 and 7 and this is reducing each day. Is this approach ok ? What changes to my eating do you recommend?

    A: If you are seeing good results, then clearly this approach is working for you and I wouldn’t change it. In general, I advise following an LCHF diet with intermittent fasting. Your approach clearly qualifies.


    Q: I am a type 2 diabetic off all meds and have been on a LCHF diet for 8 months. When i try fasting for multiple days my blood sugars scores are in the low 60’s and have been taught that this range is to low and need to have some food. Is this normal when fasting and short term affect. Is it normal for sugar levels to be low during fasting? Also ketone levels average per day is 2.5.

    A: If you are taking blood sugar medications, then you must be very careful to avoid low sugars (hypoglycemia). Otherwise, your body should be able to manufacture new glucose during fasting, although in rare cases, some people still develop hypoglycemia.

    Sugars should normally be low during fasting and ketones increased. This is the normal situation as ketones are produced as energy for the brain.


    Q: I know you have stated that the best fasting regimen for each person is the one they can maintain, but if a person is suffering from extreme insulin resistance, would a longer fasting period be more helpful? And, if so, do you believe in that situation a longer fast of at least a week or more would have a significantly better effect than say a 3 day fast every now and then added to regular intermittent fasting?

    A: Longer duration fasts are much more effective than shorter one. We routinely start longer duration fasts for people on higher doses of medications because of their higher insulin resistance.
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    Here are my results so far.

    I'm now on day 5.

    Last meal on 2-1-19 at 7PM.

    I weigh myself every morning.

    Day 1: 91.6 kg (start weight)
    Day 2: 90.2 kg -1.4 kg
    Day 3: 89.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 4: 88.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 5: 87.2 kg -1 kg

    Total: 4.4 kg

    BEP
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    So I'm on day 6 now and I do have to say I thought I would have a different experience.

    Since day 1 I'm feeling tired and I haven't felt a boost in energy at all. I feel weak, nauseous, increased heart rate and felt like I needed to vomit today.

    I feel like giving up but I don't want to as I have a long way to go.

    here are my results so far

    Day 1: 91.6 kg (start weight)
    Day 2: 90.2 kg -1.4 kg
    Day 3: 89.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 4: 88.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 5: 87.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 6: 86.5 kg -0.7 kg

    Total weight loss: 5.1 kg / 11.24 lbs

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    Quote Posted by BlueEyedPersian (here)
    So I'm on day 6 now and I do have to say I thought I would have a different experience.

    Since day 1 I'm feeling tired and I haven't felt a boost in energy at all. I feel weak, nauseous, increased heart rate and felt like I needed to vomit today.

    I feel like giving up but I don't want to as I have a long way to go.

    here are my results so far

    Day 1: 91.6 kg (start weight)
    Day 2: 90.2 kg -1.4 kg
    Day 3: 89.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 4: 88.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 5: 87.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 6: 86.5 kg -0.7 kg

    Total weight loss: 5.1 kg / 11.24 lbs
    Don't be too hard on yourself! If you need to break your fast, listen to your body and do so. You can always fast after a few weeks when you are next ready to. It will be easier with experience and reading tips from people who have travelled the same road

    6 days is a long time! . 3 times longer than my meagre 2 day stint

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    I don't want to be hard on myself. I just know I can do this. I'm at work now but I will do another enema today after work. I think I'm just experiencing serious detox symptoms. I'm drinking 2-3 liters of distilled water daily.

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    Quote Posted by BlueEyedPersian (here)
    So I'm on day 6 now and I do have to say I thought I would have a different experience.

    Since day 1 I'm feeling tired and I haven't felt a boost in energy at all. I feel weak, nauseous, increased heart rate and felt like I needed to vomit today.

    I feel like giving up but I don't want to as I have a long way to go.


    The increased heart rate could be low blood pressure and lack of electrolytes. When on my fast, I would supplement with pink sea salt.

    I would just put some in my hand and dab it on my tongue until it didn’t taste good anymore - maybe around a 1/4 tsp or less - and drink a glass of water.

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    I don't want to be hard on myself. I just know I can do this. I'm at work now but I will do another enema today after work. I think I'm just experiencing serious detox symptoms. I'm drinking 2-3 liters of distilled water daily.
    Detoxing, yes... could very well be. If so, it gets better!

    A couple of suggestions:
    1. Don't use distilled water. Try switching to regular filtered spring water (also commercially available in large containers). Distilled water has zero minerals in it. And 2 liters a day may not be enough: I always drink 3 liters/day (for 160 lbs/72 kg body weight/mass).
    2. Try coffee enemas. There are many simple instructions on the net, and it's almost impossible to go wrong. (But use organic coffee, always, and the temperature should NOT NOT NOT be 'hot'. Test it on your wrist first.) Coffee enemas immediately stimulate liver detoxing, and also add a feel-good sense (from the caffeine). But it's NOT like drinking coffee. It's far gentler, but in a fast one can really notice the helpful pick-me-up effect.

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    Quote Posted by BlueEyedPersian (here)
    I don't want to be hard on myself. I just know I can do this. I'm at work now but I will do another enema today after work. I think I'm just experiencing serious detox symptoms. I'm drinking 2-3 liters of distilled water daily.
    Detoxing, yes... could very well be. If so, it gets better!

    A couple of suggestions:
    1. Don't use distilled water. Try switching to regular filtered spring water (also commercially available in large containers). Distilled water has zero minerals in it. And 2 liters a day may not be enough: I always drink 3 liters/day (for 160 lbs/72 kg body weight/mass).
    2. Try coffee enemas. There are many simple instructions on the net, and it's almost impossible to go wrong. (But use organic coffee, always, and the temperature should NOT NOT NOT be 'hot'. Test it on your wrist first.) Coffee enemas immediately stimulate liver detoxing, and also add a feel-good sense (from the caffeine). But it's NOT like drinking coffee. It's far gentler, but in a fast one can really notice the helpful pick-me-up effect.
    Thanks for the suggestions!

    I'll switch over to filtered spring water and bump it to at least 3 liters per day.

    I've done many coffee enemas in the past but I was hesitating to do it while water fasting. I thought it would cause extra stress for my liver as it's already working hard to detox.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by BlueEyedPersian (here)
    I don't want to be hard on myself. I just know I can do this. I'm at work now but I will do another enema today after work. I think I'm just experiencing serious detox symptoms. I'm drinking 2-3 liters of distilled water daily.
    Detoxing, yes... could very well be. If so, it gets better!

    A couple of suggestions:

    1. Don't use distilled water. Try switching to regular filtered spring water (also commercially available in large containers). Distilled water has zero minerals in it. And 2 liters a day may not be enough: I always drink 3 liters/day (for 160 lbs/72 kg body weight/mass).
    2. Try coffee enemas. There are many simple instructions on the net, and it's almost impossible to go wrong. (But use organic coffee, always, and the temperature should NOT NOT NOT be 'hot'. Test it on your wrist first.) Coffee enemas immediately stimulate liver detoxing, and also add a feel-good sense (from the caffeine). But it's NOT like drinking coffee. It's far gentler, but in a fast one can really notice the helpful pick-me-up effect.
    Thanks for the suggestions!

    I'll switch over to filtered spring water and bump it to at least 3 liters per day.

    I've done many coffee enemas in the past but I was hesitating to do it while water fasting. I thought it would cause extra stress for my liver as it's already working hard to detox.
    Good! As best I know and understand, coffee enemas support the liver, rather than stressing it. (But as always, I very much welcome hearing from anyone here who may know more.)

    A quote from this page: https://drjaydavidson.com/coffee-enema-missing-links
    Along with clearing out the bile duct, coffee enemas also boost some key antioxidants in your body. Glutathione S-transferase, an enzyme produced by the liver, has been shown to increase by 600-700% after just one coffee enema, according to research from the University of Minnesota.

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    Quick update

    Day 1: 91.6 kg (start weight)
    Day 2: 90.2 kg -1.4 kg
    Day 3: 89.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 4: 88.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 5: 87.2 kg -1 kg
    Day 6: 86.5 kg -0.7 kg
    Day 7: 85.5 kg -1 kg

    Total weight loss: 6.1 kg / 13.44 lbs

    At this rate, I'll achieve my ideal weight in 7-8 days and it will be a 14-15 day water fast.

    I've noticed I can sleep again without having sleepless nights. I never could fall asleep and would stay awake for hours.

    I do have to say that since day 1 I feel weak and have not felt the keto energy boost many talk about. Maybe it's because I'm detoxing heavily and it's draining my energy. Walking the dog costs me a lot of energy so is walking in general. I feel cold all the time.
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    Quote Posted by BlueEyedPersian (here)
    I've noticed I can sleep again without having sleepless nights. I never could fall asleep and would stay awake for hours.

    I do have to say that since day 1 I feel weak and have not felt the keto energy boost many talk about. Maybe it's because I'm detoxing heavily and it's draining my energy. Walking the dog costs me a lot of energy so is walking in general. I feel cold all the time.
    Re sleep, well done! That's a big thing.

    The 'keto boost' may or may not kick in... re the benefiting effects of the fast, it doesn't mean anything if it does or doesn't. Walking will be harder work, for sure (it always is for me, too) — and yes, re feeling cold! My hands and feet would regularly get cold at the end of the day and I'd have to retire to bed early with a hot water bottle.

    So, it all seems to be going very well. Congratulate yourself. Just count the days off one by one, and you'll get there. In the middle of a long fast it can all feel like a long time, and then suddenly, towards the end, you'll wake up and think "Wow! Only a couple of days to go... I can really do this."


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    Such a great thread!
    Very much appreciated as I begin day 3 of my fast.

    I did a 3 day in November as well as a 3 day in December.... December was the month that I planned for 5 days but neglected to plan many family social engagements.

    I have been doing these for years but never really considered going any longer than 2-3 days- This thread inspired me to go longer.

    I drink about 6 liters per day of water that is mixed with 1 teaspoon of pink sea salt, 1 teaspoon of potassium chloride (no-salt) and 1 teaspoon of baking soda.
    This electrolyte recipe keeps me from getting any headaches and generally just makes me feel a bit better overall.

    Choice of time to start and planning ahead has always been a challenge as well, currently my work schedule has me on the road for a month and a half and will be very busy. The hardest part for me has always been Boredom and not Hunger, which has always created my biggest hurdle.

    Ive not set any specific timeframes, my decision to break- fast will be based entirely on my level of alertness required to perform my daily tasks related to my work.

    As of this morning I feel no hunger and have plenty of energy (with some to spare).

    I will try to log as much of my progress on this thread as time permits (very busy week).
    Last edited by Chip; 9th January 2019 at 15:16.

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    Default Re: Water Fasting

    so I took the advice of a member here to take a little bit of pink sea salt because I keep feeling weak.

    Well that didn't go too well. I literally had to vomit after 1 min and it was a yellowish color.

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