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    Default What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    My work on analyzing Bitcoin has (perhaps surprisingly) led me to a new perspective on the Secret Space Program.

    I am becoming increasingly convinced that humanity will be colonizing and mining the solar system, on a rapidly expanding scale, in the coming few decades.

    My reasoning is spelled out in these two posts over on my Bitcoin thread: Post #274 and Post #275.

    Since this is quite relevant to understanding the Secret Space Program, I am coping the content of those two posts below, to start a new thread in this forum.

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    Blockchain technology is just one piece, one critical piece, of what I see shaping up as the electronic/digital nervous system of our civilization, as it extends out across this solar system.
    I was explaining this to my son, Sam, earlier this evening, and he responded with an interesting question.

    He figured that it would take more than just distributed blockchain ledgers to colonizing and mining the solar system, and asked what other technology would be needed.

    We came up with the following list:
    • Advanced propulsion ... chemical rockets won't cut it.
    • Advanced energy ... petro fired engines won't cut it (giant oil tankers in space ... I don't think so.)
    • Extraterrestrial politics ... public awareness of and interactions with alien beings.
    • AI (artificial intelligence) ... smart bots will be doing most of the work, semi-independently.
    • Distributed information sharing and decision making ... by these smart bots, on variants of blockchain technology.
    • 3D printing ... so the smart bots can replicate and repair and adapt.
    • Virtual reality and smartphones ... moving humanity onto a digital network in which smart bots can participate as equals.
    • More unified human political world ... refocus our aggressive, colonizing, resource extraction energies off planet.
    • (Added 6 Jan 2017): Computers, semiconductors, and microprocessors which have been in development since World War II.
    • (Added 6 Jan 2017): Computer controlled sensors and manipulators, already abundant on earth, and on Mars rovers and such.
    I see dramatic advances happening in all these areas, and already being made widely visible to the public in all but the first three of these areas.

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    Now, in light of my above comments, listen to this interview of Stan Larimer, currently running BitShares (which was originally created by his son, Dan).

    Notice that Stan spent 40 years with defense contractors, developing drone technology, and notice that he repeatedly talks up the reliability and efficiency of a swarm of reliable bots handling one's financial transactions, rather than current financial institutions that are subject to fraud and favoritism, and that are much slower and more expensive than a second generation cryptocurrency network, such as BitShares, can provide.

    I find it a small leap of imagination to extend Stan Larimer's expertise out into our solar system, using swarms of mining and manufacturing robots, self replicating using 3D printers and intelligently adapting to the local situation.

    I would fully expect that the US military-industrial sector would be heavily into such an expansion out into the solar system, and I find it not surprising that a former long time employee of them is now leading one of the early public development efforts for one piece of the required technology.

    The key connection for me, between Bitcoin and colonizing/mining the solar system with mostly smart robots is captured in this quip:
    On the Blockchain, nobody knows you're a bot.
    The ability for bots and other devices, some small and numerous, to work together, share information, and reach a reliable consensus, rapidly and efficiently, will be a very valuable ability, and this ability has a key technology piece, that is evident in Leemon Baird's hashgraph patents. Well ... very evident to me at least ... I have been a published, professional, expert in earlier variants of similar such technology.
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    Quote We came up with the following list:

    Advanced propulsion ... chemical rockets won't cut it.
    Advanced energy ... petro fired engines won't cut it (giant oil tankers in space ... I don't think so.)
    Extraterrestrial politics ... public awareness of and interactions with alien beings.
    AI (artificial intelligence) ... smart bots will be doing most of the work, semi-independently.
    Distributed information sharing and decision making ... by these smart bots, on variants of blockchain technology.
    3D printing ... so the smart bots can replicate and repair and adapt.
    Virtual reality and smartphones ... moving humanity onto a digital network in which smart bots can participate as equals.
    More unified human political world ... refocus our aggressive, colonizing, resource extraction energies off planet.
    I would add the following: a real understanding of the physics of the Universe.

    At this time I think there is no understanding of the driving energy and origin of our Universe at all. The path 'science' has taken us, is leading to nowhere and does not fuse science and spirituality together to one knowing and understanding.

    Is such knowing possible? I think yes (some droplets: sacred geometry, time does not exist, quantum field theories, absolute coldness points by electromagnetic implosion is the future fuel, etc) and we used it already in the far past, but is now suppressed by a few in the hidden.

    Once recovered and educated, all of the above points are possible,
    though smartphones and other digital junk will be obsolete.

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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    So what becomes of the human species and humanity? (Not to mention other species here in Spaceship Earth. (Which may be better off if humans leave the planet, but that's not what I understand is being proposed.)) Does humanity fall by the way side? What type of existence would it be and would "life" even exist in human form if it's only a bunch of bots floating around in some sort of craft(s) in space or space/time? Not for me thank you!

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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    • More unified human political world ... refocus our aggressive, colonizing, resource extraction energies off planet.
    I certainly hope that is on the agenda! But I think there are those who's list would include:
    • Improved mind control and control of information to keep worker humans in space obedient and disinformed.
    • New legislation giving more power and control to corporations so that they can hoard the financial benefits of space exploration and easily claim land and resources.
    • Greater weapons and armies in corporate control designed to annihilate competition.

    There should not be a rush to go into space. There should be a rush to evolve our civilization so that the inevitable days of space exploration do not become a corporate version of the Wild West.

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    So what becomes of the human species and humanity? (Not to mention other species here in Spaceship Earth. (Which may be better off if humans leave the planet, but that's not what I understand is being proposed.)) Does humanity fall by the way side? What type of existence would it be and would "life" even exist in human form if it's only a bunch of bots floating around in some sort of craft(s) in space or space/time? Not for me thank you!
    I expect that we humans come to a more refined understanding of what separates us from the bots.
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    If the 3d printer could produce all the parts it would need to replicate itself, you have technology not dependent on spare parts from somewhere else.

    if the bots can fully replicate independently is that dangerous?

    Elon Musk says you need a million people on mars to be sustainable and independent. I do not think its genetics, as genetic material can be stored and keep a much smaller community 'fresh'

    I think he is referring to the huge diversity of advanced technical capabilities we currently depend on. I think molten salt Thorium reactors are a comparatively low tech solution we have now, but even these require a whole set of technologies to produce. Specialist metallurgy and materials. production and refinement technologies.

    So its a million people currently but shrinking fast.
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

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    I would add the following: a real understanding of the physics of the Universe.
    Agreed.

    Physics has gotten lost in an elaborate cul-de-sac the last century.

    As part of bringing radical propulsion and energy alternatives forth to the public, a new physics will also have to come forth, to enable the engineers to design and build these new alternatives.

    I presume that the engineers working in the dark projects already have this physics ... now the engineers, researchers and professors in the more public arena will be acquiring this new physics ... if they can handle it.
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    So what becomes of the human species and humanity? (Not to mention other species here in Spaceship Earth. (Which may be better off if humans leave the planet, but that's not what I understand is being proposed.)) Does humanity fall by the way side? What type of existence would it be and would "life" even exist in human form if it's only a bunch of bots floating around in some sort of craft(s) in space or space/time? Not for me thank you!
    I expect that we humans come to a more refined understanding of what separates us from the bots.
    I have difficulty accepting the notion that humans came into existence in the universe to someday create bots so that we can refine our understanding of what separates us from something we have created. I'm confident that you, and other reasonable and intelligent people like you, know that now. But I certainly respect and appreciate your point of view.

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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    we all heard all kind of technology currently slowly on mainstream that secret space program already have as people suggested like 3d printer/AI or even NASA emdrive but one technology never took off are Energy or electricity...alot of tech has been advance but Energy never really advance, last week tuning up my car and really frustrated me that cars still need flued/oil able to work.

    i'm waiting on the day elites release Energy devices that able to power up whole house which cost 1/2 of current electricity bill and running 24/7 never broke down in any circumstances. How about Portable Power Pack able to generate electricity of a house for 5-6 hours?
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    i'm wondering if the technology required to mine the solar system would make mining the solar system redundant.

    i mean, if we had an advanced propulsion device, or a 'free energy' spaceship, what would we need to mine for?

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    I have difficulty accepting the notion that humans came into existence in the universe to someday create bots so that we can refine our understanding of what separates us from something we have created. I'm confident that you, and other reasonable and intelligent people like you, know that now. But I certainly respect and appreciate your point of view.
    If my fading recollections of the concerns that arose during the initial rollout of steam engines are correct, there were concerns back then that the machines would replace most people who did physical work for a living.

    My sense on the fears of AI and bots is that they are partially quite valid, partially fears of the unknown that will not bear out, and partially part of the dynamics by which major changes are adapted.

    I suspect that some of those pushing these new technologies and endeavors encourage exaggerated and somewhat unrealistic fears, so that most ordinary people can end up dismissing the warnings of the "tin foil hat conspiracy theory nutcases" (as I sometimes enjoy labeling myself), when things don't turn out that bad after all, at least from the perspective of those focused on the details of their own lives and on mainstream events and entertainment.

    I certainly agree with you that humans didn't come into existence so that we could create bots and refine our understanding of who we are. We exist to be who we are, on multiple levels. We will come to realize with a sharper focus, however, that we are not just physical beings, nor just mental beings.

    We need not feel threatened by machines that bigger, faster, smaller, more precise or whatever than we are.

    Nor need we feel threatened by machines that are better at chess or driving cars or mining asteroids.

    However the struggle of thousands of years (at least) between the few powerful and the masses of humanity will no doubt continue, in this new venue, and the elite bastards will use this new technology to gain whatever advantages they can in this struggle, as will the masses.
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

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    i'm wondering if the technology required to mine the solar system would make mining the solar system redundant.

    i mean, if we had an advanced propulsion device, or a 'free energy' spaceship, what would we need to mine for?
    As best as I can tell, we would need to mine for minerals.

    I expect that eventually (Carmody might expect it sooner) that the technology to transform matter, converting one kind of atom to a different kind, will become sufficiently capable that mining for specific minerals (iron, copper, aluminum, lead, zinc, silver, platinum, ...) will no longer be a critical step in producing machinery on a large scale. My hunch is that this is a ways out however, and that the expansion of human civilization (and its robotic assistants) to the solar system is much sooner.

    A project that was able to send up (launch from the earth's surface) enough equipment that it could start to self-replicate itself through mining and 3D printing and the like, would mushroom into a massive presence in the solar system.
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    i believe key of AI that truly really take off is programming automated where programming aspect cut in 1/3, instead of sitting 5 hours write whole bunch of codes IF and Else or Functions then you would have semi-automate programming doing the coding for you or help you to do the job just 2.5 hours to complete the code for applications.

    i really wondering about this, with Secret Space Program what programming code they use? how applications is develop...i think they dealing much more easier reliable and better programming language.
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    i really wondering about this, with Secret Space Program what programming code they use? how applications is develop...i think they dealing much more easier reliable and better programming language.
    Many computer languages, from hardware logic design languages, to assembly code written directly to a microprocessor's instruction set, to system programming languages such as C (and perhaps Rust), to higher level, general purpose application, languages, to hundreds, if not thousands, of special purpose languages, will be used.

    Rust is under rapid development as a potentially more reliable alternative to C.

    Here's one company, just 20 miles down the road from me, that is working in this field: Kubos. They are a young startup, currently focused on "Full-Stack Flight Software for Satellites".
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    Default Re: What specific technologies and other advances are needed, for humans to colonize the solar system?

    The current high profile work on self driving and electric powered cars can be seen as a large scale prototyping of some of the technologies that will be required to colonize the solar system.

    I recommend that the gentle reader glance again at the list of technologies in my Post #1, above, that are currently being developed for (I suspect) colonizing the solar system. I just now added a couple more items to this list.

    It is the stunning and extensive overlap, between
    • what we're doing now (what new tech is under development, world wide) and
    • what will be needed to colonize, mine, and control the solar system
    that convinces me that is "their" plan, that they have been working on this plan since at least the year the transistor was announced by Bell Labs in 1947, and that this plan is rapidly coming into public view now.
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    No delay simutainous communication based on the now proven spooky action at a distance.imagine a pair of entangled particles,when you shine a light at one it simutainously happens to the other giving you binary code.
    I don't think it's that far of.

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    No delay simutainous communication based on the now proven spooky action at a distance.imagine a pair of entangled particles,when you shine a light at one it simutainously happens to the other giving you binary code.
    I don't think it's that far of.
    Spooky action at a distance, and communication based on it, is explained to us using quantum machanics (well "explained" is an overly generous term; rather "sold" to us.)

    In my present view, something is deeply awry with the explanations we are given of these phenomenon. Until I can get a better view of the physics underlying this, I cannot trust what we are told and what is predicted relating to such matters.

    My incomplete hunch is that quantum mechanics and such explanations as "spooky action at a distance" are funded by the spooks, making up bullsh*t stories, to obfuscate what's going on behind the evidence occasionally visible to the public of an underlying reality that is far better explained using various physics theories that have such words as "aether" and "electrical" in their opening descriptions.
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    It is the stunning and extensive overlap, between
    • what we're doing now (what new tech is under development, world wide) and
    • what will be needed to colonize, mine, and control the solar system
    that convinces me that is "their" plan, that they have been working on this plan since at least the year the transistor was announced by Bell Labs in 1947, and that this plan is rapidly coming into public view now.
    This is the key point I wish to make in this thread. See further my Post #1 and Post #15, above.
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    i'm wondering if the technology required to mine the solar system would make mining the solar system redundant.

    i mean, if we had an advanced propulsion device, or a 'free energy' spaceship, what would we need to mine for?
    As best as I can tell, we would need to mine for minerals.

    I expect that eventually (Carmody might expect it sooner) that the technology to transform matter, converting one kind of atom to a different kind, will become sufficiently capable that mining for specific minerals (iron, copper, aluminum, lead, zinc, silver, platinum, ...) will no longer be a critical step in producing machinery on a large scale. My hunch is that this is a ways out however, and that the expansion of human civilization (and its robotic assistants) to the solar system is much sooner.

    A project that was able to send up (launch from the earth's surface) enough equipment that it could start to self-replicate itself through mining and 3D printing and the like, would mushroom into a massive presence in the solar system.
    We don't need to mine anything. Michio Kaku was talking about replicators being 20 years out 10 years ago on the science channel. Particles are not matter they are bits of information and we can develop machine that can replicate anything we program it to. I am sure we already have those machines. We don't see them because they would eliminate the need for money, and it is threw money that the powers that be control us.

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    I'm on it.
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