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    Default Joseph P. Farrell: Multipolar world driven by China is replacing Unipolar world driven by USA

    Mr.Farrell discusses the new, comprehensive China-France strategic partnership and elaborates;

    "Fish, and plankton, and sea greens, and protein from the sea. It's all here. Ready! Fresh as harvest day!"

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    Default Re: Joseph P. Farrell: Multipolar world driven by China is replacing Unipolar world driven by USA

    Joseph Farrell is immense but he should be more enthusiastic about the cryptocurrencies - humanity's "get out of jail" card.

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    Default Re: Joseph P. Farrell: Multipolar world driven by China is replacing Unipolar world driven by USA

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    Joseph Farrell is immense but he should be more enthusiastic about the cryptocurrencies - humanity's "get out of jail" card.
    You have to pay taxes on your cryptocurrencies so it should be obvious that they are controlled by the state and therefore far from our "get out of jail" card. They are now nothing more than just another controlled alternative.
    Instead, they are probably being used as a prototype for the cashless society model that they have in the works for us, in which we'll have a digital currency as credit on our implanted chips. And this whole Bitcoin fad is likely being utilized to garner as much information, data and knowledge on how we react to it and thus how to best implement such a system in the future. As well as to - for the moment - suck a tremendous amount of wealth towards something that's literally thin air so that the central banks can keep the rates low and tell us there's no inflation.

    A digital currency that has just as much intrinsic value as our current fiat currency (absolutely nothing) is not the answer. Which is probably why Dr. Farrell is not enthusiastic about it.

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    You have to pay taxes on your cryptocurrencies so it should be obvious that they are controlled by the state and therefore far from our "get out of jail" card. They are now nothing more than just another controlled alternative.
    Instead, they are probably being used as a prototype for the cashless society
    How exactly do you get from "You have to pay taxes on your cryptocurrencies" to "it should be obvious that they are controlled by the state" ?

    You have to pay taxes on apples if you grow and sell them. Does that make apple trees "controlled by the state" ?

    Secondly, how does the advent of a globally accessible form of cash, not created by governments and not controlled by central banks amount to a "prototype for the cashless society" ?

    I think you're mistaking the lifeboat for the sinking ship.

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    Default Re: Joseph P. Farrell: Multipolar world driven by China is replacing Unipolar world driven by USA

    “You have to pay taxes on apples if you grow and sell them. Does that make apple trees "controlled by the state" ?”

    Yes.
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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    “You have to pay taxes on apples if you grow and sell them. Does that make apple trees "controlled by the state" ?”
    Yes.
    It makes their "trading for state currencies" controlled by the state.

    It doesn't make apples controlled by the state. Exactly the same is true with cryptographic digital assets.

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    Default Re: Joseph P. Farrell: Multipolar world driven by China is replacing Unipolar world driven by USA

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    You have to pay taxes on your cryptocurrencies so it should be obvious that they are controlled by the state and therefore far from our "get out of jail" card. They are now nothing more than just another controlled alternative.
    Instead, they are probably being used as a prototype for the cashless society
    How exactly do you get from "You have to pay taxes on your cryptocurrencies" to "it should be obvious that they are controlled by the state" ?

    You have to pay taxes on apples if you grow and sell them. Does that make apple trees "controlled by the state" ?

    Secondly, how does the advent of a globally accessible form of cash, not created by governments and not controlled by central banks amount to a "prototype for the cashless society" ?

    I think you're mistaking the lifeboat for the sinking ship.
    Ask yourself this question though; how could cryptocurrencies be considered a valid and secure escape from the system, when you still have to pay taxes to - i.e. are still very much attached to and under the control of - the very same system you are trying to escape from?
    That's why I'm saying that they are not our lifeboat. Because they are neither separate, nor detachable from the sinking ship.

    Do you believe that when the ship sinks, bitcoin will stay afloat?

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    Quote Posted by Rhah (here)
    Ask yourself this question though; how could cryptocurrencies be considered a valid and secure escape from the system, when you still have to pay taxes
    Cryptocurrencies and non-payment of taxes have nothing to do with each other. You can escape taxes simply by not paying them - you don't need a cryptocurrency or any other "vehicle".

    Bitcoin was simply invented as a tool to fulfil a role that had been present in physical monetary systems but not in electronic ones - that is as a peer to peer bearer token. It fulfils that role so its job is done and it's now up to the population of the planet to use it as they please.

    In that sense it's no different from the internet technologies - TCP/IP and http. Those were invented by institutions but deployed by ordinary people in a diverse manner. Should Bill Ryan have "left those tools alone" because they were somehow associated with government entities ? Or because they were "global" and "electronic" and therefore subject to co-opting by the PTB ?

    Should he have followed Catherine Austin Fits' thinking and stuck with the paper printer because that is controlled by "local communities" as opposed to subject to "global control" ?

    If he had done we wouldn't be having this exchange right now.

    Bitcoin is a tool. Use it or loose it.

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