Elisa Lam Documentary

[Mike]

Most of you that are familiar with David Paulides and his work are also familiar with the Elisa Lam case. For those that aren't, Elisa was found dead under very suspicious circumstances in a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles on February 19th 2013.

This is a very detailed doc, and offers some intriguing information I'd never heard before, including several bizarre coincidences that simply boggle the mind. Warning: highly disturbing content.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yda8zcCCx1Q

[Navigator]

One of my favourite weird mysteries of all time.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Navigator (here)
One of my favourite weird mysteries of all time.

Yes. Spine-chillingly weird, and 100% inexplicable unless it was (IMO) the work of an invisible, interdimensional predator.

As Mike said, Dave Paulides includes this in his list of inner-city cases of highly anomalous disappearances. See also this thread:

• David Paulides' research: over 1600 inexplicable abductions in National Parks, wilderness, and urban areas

[Bill Ryan]

A little more about this, for people who've never heard about the case. She was caught on the CCTV of a lift in her LA hotel, and appeared to be talking to someone or something (off-camera) in an agitated state. After that, she was never seen alive again.

Three weeks after she disappeared, a maintenance man was checking on a problem with the water supply to the hotel.

He investigated the water tank on the roof... and found that her body was inside it. But there was no hole or access nearly large enough for any person to get in there.

Her body had to be cut out of the tank. The entire thing was physically 100% slam-dunk totally impossible.

[O Donna]

While viewing the vid I am reminded just when I think I know enough about something, I don't.

Makes me wonder what it would be like to be an independent investigator out into the field of the subject of interest at hand. This may be my imagination talking but a thought arises....dig deep enough and long enough into any mystery and I might uncover more then I bargained for. Do I really want to witness what lies behind these mysteries first hand? Still, the idea pulls at me. Do I take it to the next level?

Has any posters reading this taken it to the next level? While imaging answers I get both variation, wishing they hadn't and glad they did.

[Hervé]

An earlier thread on Elisa Lam: Mass mind control, disruption of the Schumann Resonance and 'Who is Elisa Lam?'

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by O Donna (here)
Has any posters reading this taken it to the next level? While imaging answers I get both variation, wishing they hadn't and glad they did.

Well, this is part of the now very large David Paulides collection of inexplicably anomalous missing persons cases. Paulides has grown famous for refusing to speculate on what the h*** is happening here, but I think to the majority of the horrified people looking at all this, logic leads one VERY uncomfortably by the nose to the conclusion that this is all the work of an intelligent, interdimensional predator.

As Sherlock Holmes said: Once you've eliminated the impossible, what remains must be the truth.

Or, even more uncomfortably, a WHOLE LOT of predators. But there, the investigation stops dead. What kind of predator? Why? 'Where' are they? What's the history? What's the science? There are no answers to any of those questions. And it's really hard to think of how to find them.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes that was a seriously strange case. Thank you for the link, I will watch with interest.

Definitely at the heart of the mystery has to be the Cecil Hotel. That place has a very weird, disturbing history.

In its 90 year history, there has been (I quote): at least sixteen deaths, resulting from non-natural causes: either as a result of suicide, accident or murder.

If visiting Los Angeles, I think it would be wise to check in to almost any other hotel.

[O Donna]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
And it's really hard to think of how to find them.

I can get my head around that as I have been down many an apparent blind alley when trying to get my head around a mystery, abet mentally from secondhand reports.

[Mike]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
Yes that was a seriously strange case. Thank you for the link, I will watch with interest.

Definitely at the heart of the mystery has to be the Cecil Hotel. That place has a very weird, disturbing history.

In its 90 year history, there has been (I quote): at least sixteen deaths, resulting from non-natural causes: either as a result of suicide, accident or murder.

If visiting Los Angeles, I think it would be wise to check in to almost any other hotel.

Yep, the Cecil has been the site of many disturbing events.

It should be noted that it is next to skid row, and is frequented by vagrants and homeless folks. It is not in the best area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Hotel

Sometimes bad events beget other bad events, and a cloud of negative energy coalesces and kind of takes on a life of its own. These areas may act as a devils' playground, and attract all sorts of nefarious people and *non people*.

Indeed, if one considers all the facts and weird coincidences in this story, it almost feels like Elisa had an appointment with death.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes true, but it didn't used to be. In the 20s and 30s when the Cecil was built, it was a stylish, upcoming area, and the hotel was designed to appeal to tourists and reasonably flush clientele. It's interesting to note, that almost half the 'weird deaths' actually took place in that period before the war.

[DNA]

Posted by Mike (here)
Most of you that are familiar with David Paulides and his work are also familiar with the Elisa Lam case. For those that aren't, Elisa was found dead under very suspicious circumstances in a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles on February 19th 2013.

This is a very detailed doc, and offers some intriguing information I'd never heard before, including several bizarre coincidences that simply boggle the mind. Warning: highly disturbing content.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yda8zcCCx1Q

I watched the whole video.
From forty minutes on some very interesting information.
The footage in the elevator has been tampered with and had some time removed.
Two men entered the hotel lobby with Elisa (right before she had entered the elevator and was never heard from again) and had given her a small black box. Who were these men?
There were several sex offenders staying in the hotel.
And months after Elisa Lam's body was found a you-tuber walked up the stairs (found the door to the roof unlocked) got on the roof and video taped the water tanks and two of the four tanks were not only unlocked they had their lids open.

Elisa Lam was a Canadian from Vancouver Canada.
Why was she traveling alone?
Young women should simply not travel alone in my opinion and this doubles for traveling to Los Angeles.

What happened?
This young lady was murdered and her body dumped into a water tank.
It is stated that the water was only half filling the tank and she would not have been able to reach the lid above here, this is another indication she was murdered, and the lid was closed behind her.

[Navigator]

Here's just the elevator footage, for those just wanting to go there or start here.

You can see an apparent edit @2:56 in the video.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_E6l1P86U

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
He investigated the water tank on the roof... and found that her body was inside it. But there was no hole or access nearly large enough for any person to get in there.

Her body had to be cut out of the tank. The entire thing was physically 100% slam-dunk totally impossible.

I had heard this before too, but this was not mentioned in this new video Mike provided.
They show the opening to the tank in the video and it absolutely looks big enough for someone to fit into.
This case looks more and more like a murder case.

The deal with the interaction in the elevator is cause for pause though.

She does look like she is interacting with an invisible presence of some kind.

[O Donna]

When I first investigated this story beyond the headlines, it crossed my mind to actually go to Stay on Main (Cecil) as a regular hotel guest. I read the reviews online, the renovations, name change, room cost, viewed maps, watched videos of LA's skid-row etc.

A voice in my head said I'd most likely only witness the mundane for the area.
Still, if I'm ever in LA and have the time, I wouldn't mind stopping by for a visit without expectations.

[Mike]

Posted by O Donna (here)
When I first investigated this story beyond the headlines, it crossed my mind to actually go to Stay on Main (Cecil) as a regular hotel guest. I read the reviews online, the renovations, name change, room cost, viewed maps, watched videos of LA's skid-row etc.

A voice in my head said I'd most likely only witness the mundane for the area.
Still, if I'm ever in LA and have the time, I wouldn't mind stopping by for a visit without expectations.

You know I was thinking precisely the same thing I'd like to stay a night there, for reasons I can't quite understand. The intrigue, maybe. Or maybe to just say I stayed there. I dunno.

As Marcus pointed out, several parts of this video are in direct disagreement with Paulides research. The roof is apparently quite easy to access now; and yes, the water tank openings look big enough for a human being to crawl thru (and 2 of them were already open!) After a murder case like that, you figure they'd be xtra careful about such things!

I wonder if it was the same on the night of the murder; and I wonder if, for legal reasons, the hotel merely claimed the roof alarm was on and so forth. It seems they tampered with video, so perhaps it didn't end there.

And yet, Paulides claims - as Bill points out in his post above - that the tank openings were too small and had to be cut open to remove the body. I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

The plot thickens

[DNA]

Posted by Mike (here)
I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one.

[findingneo]

I have not followed this story, but going by the comments regarding the location and history of the hotel where it occurred, it having a history of unfortunate events in and around it, I can't help wondering if each event provides support and strength for a negative portal there, the events caused by and then feeding and strengthening the connection?

[Mike]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one.

Right. Quite possible. But what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???

[DNA]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one.

Right. Quite possible. But what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???

The path of least resistance.
Maybe they did cut open a specific water tank due to no one wanting to go in and exhume a body while inside a steel tank.
You saw the opening on top of that tank, would you want to wade into that with what was inside? Or would you say "cut open the tank!".
Could be Paulides heard this and ran with it using conjecture?