+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 5 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 82

Thread: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

  1. Link to Post #21
    Scotland Moderator Billy's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th January 2011
    Location
    Scotland
    Age
    64
    Posts
    5,474
    Thanks
    40,246
    Thanked 25,199 times in 4,045 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    My thoughts on this one is that not only contact was made in our not to distant past, many benevolent and malevonent being also lived amongst us. But that did not turn out so well for humans or the other worldly beings on the planet at that time in our history. Therefore we have already been there and I do not think we or them wish to repeat that cycle again.

    I think humanity needs to remember and learn the lessons of our past before we continue repeating endless cycles over and over again with no solution as to how we break those cycles. It is our responsibility to break the cycles, not other beings. They are waiting for us to wake up through our free will and choices. Just like you cannot force someone to feel and experience love, also you cannot force wisdom or an awakening on an individual or the masses. Interceding can also be interfering with free will and choices. This has already been done. Personally I do not wish for that to be repeated.

    If we already know they exist and have made contact and lived amongst us in our past. Then remembering and learning the lessons brings the wisdom of how to break the cycles and we can all move along as a universal family together.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

  2. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Billy For This Post:

    Agape (25th February 2018), aoibhghaire (25th February 2018), Bill Ryan (25th February 2018), Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), EFO (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), Sstarss (25th February 2018), The Crimson Horse Blanket (25th February 2018), viking (25th February 2018), Wind (25th February 2018)

  3. Link to Post #22
    Avalon Member The Crimson Horse Blanket's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st May 2017
    Posts
    206
    Thanks
    185
    Thanked 1,296 times in 197 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus, who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Val Vallient thread for further details.

    Part of this meeting fits right-in on this thread. The meeting between Horsley and Janus takes place some time in 1953.

    'Why, you may say, don't they land and make contact?

    'Most of these vehicles are robot-controlled, space probes monitoring what is going on. Some are manned to oversee the whole programme and to ensure that the probes do not land or crash by accident. They must also ensure that evidence of their existence is kept away from the vast majority of Earth's population. You must be well aware of the damage that your own explorers have done by appearing and living among simple tribes, often leading to a complete disintegration of their society and culture as happened to the Indians and Eskimo. Such impact is far too indigestible and only the most developed societies can cope with such contact.

    'Imagine what would happen if the headlines in the world press announced the arrival of a spaceship with a mission of space people. Apart from the psychological shock that there were actually other races far superior to any developed society on Earth there would be complete panic about the motives of such an invasion. There is little doubt its crew, if you could catch them, would be subject to the most humiliating interrogation and treatment.

    'The knowledge you might acquire through contact and communication could have effects as disastrous as the so-called benefits of civilisation had on the Indians and the Eskimos. The knowledge must come slowly to those most able to assimilate it in the fullness of time. The basic principle of responsible space exploration is that you do not interfere with the natural development and order of life in the universes any more than you should upset or destroy an ant heap or bee-hive. Man has a lot to learn before he embarks on deep space travel. If you were ready now, which you are not, you would only approach other inhabitants with the deepest of suspicion, inflicting your weapons and diseases upon them in the same irresponsible manner that you are busily destroying wild life on Earth. You will have to grow a lot older and learn how to behave on your own planet, if indeed you do not blow yourselves up between times, before you are ready for galactic travel.

    'Since time immemorial there have been tales of vessels coming out of the sky bringing strange visitors. Observers do come among you and make contact on a very selective basis where they judge that such contact could not harm either party. These observers have studied the Earth for a long time. With advanced medical science they have been fitted with the right sort of internal equipment to allow their bodies to operate normally until they leave. It is not very difficult to obtain the right sort of clothes and means to move around quite freely. Your own explorers will appear enormously cumbersome in comparison but then at first they will be operating in the very hostile environments within your solar system. The observers are not interested in interfering in your affairs, but once you are ready to escape from your own solar system it is of paramount importance that you have learnt your responsibilities for the preservation of life everywhere.

    'It is equally important that other planetary travellers and inhabitants know something about this outer island, its society and intentions. While you are still far away from travelling in deep space, such contacts will be infrequent and must be conducted with great secrecy. Life in your own solar system is rudimentary and you can do little damage, but once you discover the existence of higher forms of life and intelligent men then dangers will arise through your own fear and misunderstanding.

    'The observers have highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessary evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained'.

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    Quote Posted by Billy (here)
    My thoughts on this one is that not only contact was made in our not to distant past, many benevolent and malevonent being also lived amongst us. But that did not turn out so well for humans or the other worldly beings on the planet at that time in our history. Therefore we have already been there and I do not think we or them wish to repeat that cycle again.

    I think humanity needs to remember and learn the lessons of our past before we continue repeating endless cycles over and over again with no solution as to how we break those cycles. It is our responsibility to break the cycles, not other beings. They are waiting for us to wake up through our free will and choices. Just like you cannot force someone to feel and experience love, also you cannot force wisdom or an awakening on an individual or the masses. Interceding can also be interfering with free will and choices. This has already been done. Personally I do not wish for that to be repeated.

    If we already know they exist and have made contact and lived amongst us in our past. Then remembering and learning the lessons brings the wisdom of how to break the cycles and we can all move along as a universal family together.
    Crikey Billy, you could have read the part-chapter I've just posted to formulate that answer!

    Wise words indeed Pal.
    Last edited by The Crimson Horse Blanket; 25th February 2018 at 15:28.

  4. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to The Crimson Horse Blanket For This Post:

    aoibhghaire (26th February 2018), Bill Ryan (25th February 2018), Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), sijohn (25th February 2018), Valerie Villars (27th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  5. Link to Post #23
    UK Avalon Member Cidersomerset's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th May 2011
    Location
    Bridgwater somerset UK
    Age
    57
    Posts
    22,337
    Thanks
    33,460
    Thanked 79,111 times in 18,660 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which
    seemed to fizzle out?
    Yeah I have posted it on several threads and there seems ample evidence
    people were meeting various groups from Billy Meier to Charles Hall. There
    seems to be various reasons why they do not walk into a UN meeting one
    day or call a press conference somewhere or just do a spectacular flyby
    that no one can mistake for a weather balloon or Swamp gas.

    Rendlesham is another massive incident all the cases are disputed or denied
    or left as unexplained but there is far to much evidence to suggest this is
    all just an illusion or multiple hoax's and misguided people.

    The Friendship case was a group of humanoid ET races that have visited
    and lived on earth for thousands of years and were worried humanity had
    reached the atomic age and were gaining the capability to destroy the earth
    itself and more see the doc below.....



    A photo from the Friend ship case..

    The day UFOs stopped play......Florance Italy 1954 // UFO Files of the Italian Air Force


    The day UFOs stopped play
    By Richard Padula
    BBC World Service Sport
    24 October 2014

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29342407
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lian-Air-Force




    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post892612

    ==================================================

    XCon 2005 - Charles Hall - The Tall Whites - ET Experiences in the Nevada Desert

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...+cidersomerset

    BBC Headline page 13 July 2015 ....Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...evidence-claim

    Billy Meier and Ptaah (ET) talking about 2012....Contact 476 3/2/2009
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...t-476-3-2-2009

    ================================================== =
    ================================================== =

    Five Star UK Admiral & Chief of Defense on UFOs



    Published on 13 Feb 2014
    Admiral of the Fleet Peter John Hill-Norton, Baron Hill-Norton, GCB (8 February
    1915 -- 16 May 2004) was a senior Royal Navy officer. He fought in World War II
    as gunnery officer in a cruiser operating on the Western Approaches and in the
    North Sea taking part in the Norwegian Campaign, then in a cruiser taking part in
    the Arctic convoys and finally in a battleship operating in the Eastern Fleet. After
    the War he commanded a destroyer and then an aircraft carrier. He served as First
    Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff and then Chief of the Defence Staff in early
    1970s. In the latter role he gave the final commitment to Project Chevaline, the
    Polaris missile improvement programme. He went on to be Chairman of the NATO
    Military Committee.
    Last edited by Cidersomerset; 25th February 2018 at 11:22.

  6. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Cidersomerset For This Post:

    Agape (25th February 2018), Bill Ryan (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), Tintin (26th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  7. Link to Post #24
    Aaland Avalon Member Agape's Avatar
    Join Date
    26th March 2010
    Posts
    4,205
    Thanks
    9,593
    Thanked 16,859 times in 3,273 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    Because the benevolent races adhere to the creed of not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.[...]
    Interesting:

    Quote ... not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.
    ... do they have an amendment in their constitution that allows them to interfere in case of un-natural progression?

    Do they have a "Do what's right!" policy or principle?

    Because, if they don't, then they are as stuck in their programming and beliefs as any other flat-earther...

    Come to think of it, is there, actually, such a thing as a "progression" in this universe? Or just a selection/segregation process between black and white "hats"?


    I think they do but there are differences .

    It seems to me that the whole question of WHY there’s not more revelation and introduction to any visiting civilisation falls to this very category of different a/biological pattern b/frequency spectrum c/principles of psychological and social amendment and so forth .

    If we can agree here ( some will some won’t ) that contact between us has already happened , in multiple ways , attempts and scenarios ..but very little has been revealed ,
    depending again who and how looks at it ,

    what’s been shared already could be mostly based on similarities between any ‘them’ and ‘us’ .
    Similarity allows insight , some level of empathy and shared historical and social perspective or experience . It has to be based in what’s biologically acceptable or at least, adaptable to both species as well.

    It may be for example : shared views on planetary ecology , common methods enabling treatment of certain type of diseases , technical knowledge that is applicable to both civilizations ..or say, shared love for arts and music .

    When it comes to ‘abstract’ knowledge such as ours and theirs understanding of mathematics and physics , it’s tempting to see there would be vast opportunity for communication and understanding each other, without unnecessary emotional bias
    but in fact ,

    the ‘abstracts’ platform is universally so manifold that them and us may not be expanding on the same calculus at all ,
    since its pathways run long from prehistory and no matter how advanced are the systems they or us evolved they’re still based in path of its evolutionary certainty whereas the idea of ‘other dimensional maths’ remains hypothetical and without many practical applications and as such also offers only hypothetical communication pathway .

    The same could be said perhaps about ‘theirs and ours’ understanding of spirituality , music or art .
    Even if we can admire it supposing we can recognise it as such at all,
    based on the vast biological and generally , evolutionary difference it’d be hard to replicate in detail and for most , difficult to ‘resonate with’ at all.

    So the threshold of difficulty and reason why there are no obvious revelations occurring behind the threshold is what I see
    as natural dissonance that is higher ( not lower ) for any advanced species and civilisation longer they live independent of each other

    and sharing more ..that is crossing this proverbial threshold ..would only mean introduction to more differences and dissonance .

    And since we are considering the human kind here who are still very unsettled from within and allergic and neurotic about their own inner options and differences and so reactive to them that is produced too many fires and war zones ,

    what would be the result of introducing the human mind to yet another, more different and dissonant pattern ?

    Taken the structure of human brain is pretty deterministic and hardly as versatile as we wish for , deterministic in its habits and principles and alterations or ‘implants’ ( not meant literally here but even if ) of different patterns such as ‘foreign cultures ‘ cause lots of chaos , confusion and sometimes madness ,

    the danger of long term exposure to totally different biological , chemical or frequency pattern could be also extremely damaging , painful , confusing ,
    not because the other pattern is harmful but because it is totally different .

    Intriguingly , most contact and abduction or sighting experiences and their post revelations happen in ‘glimpses’ and couple of minutes or hours at most during which the human organism becomes conscious of the contact , can retain some level of awareness and memories and then ‘report itself back’ to its own inherent set up and awareness in order to process the experience .

    In different scenarios yet where humans and others communicated for longer than this, be it days or years ( since time between different time-Space continuum’s is slippery and alternative phenomenon , after all) the physical and biological settings had to be altered and adjusted to large degree so that the ‘host civilisation ‘ and ‘guest civilization’ could literary survive each other’s presence and explore their common features .
    The question begs why does it not occur more frequently or why even those instances are seldom very revelatory or successful , either for the host or the guest

    but presuming we are discussing advanced species with millions of years of differing evolutionary pathways and therefor huge level of natural dissonance ,

    logic suggests that such co-habitations requiring complete adaption of physical environ in favour of one species on behalf of the other are either costly ,
    that is economically and practically ‘cutting edge’ option that has to be fitted precisely to the guest organisms need or they can be only very temporary and limited .

    It would be similar in case of trying to host advanced ET organism on Earth , presumably more advanced than ourselves in more aspects we could possibly determine and pour the civilisation ( what you call ‘tax-payers’ ) money into just that . I believe that it’s already occurred within the secret space programs and YET it was not very successful endeavor compared to what it could be .
    Either because we are not technically advanced enough ..and so the exploration and communication level remained in low quality or we would have failed and fainted to keep any such organism alive for long time .

    To cut this short ...

    what are any possible solutions to the problem ?


    Is patience and sharing by bits an option ?

    Is progress possible ?

    Can we adjust or be adjusted and would we agree to it for the boon of getting more knowledge ?

    Here I would say ..there are Universally applicable ethical principles to be followed and if we can’t do any better it has to be the outcomes outweighing the risks at least, at least .
    For long term benevolent relationships the ratio should be more harmonious since if there are too many risks , results tend to fall to shaky category as well and end up in the ‘undecided ‘ drawer.
    Risk reduction could be then the major determinant to more oper and real contact scenario in future , in my opinion .

    Better the conditions here better the outcomes ..(but have you noticed what’s going on , on Earth ..ehh hmm) . Sorry for typos.


    Last edited by Agape; 25th February 2018 at 10:29.

  8. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Agape For This Post:

    aoibhghaire (25th February 2018), bluestflame (25th February 2018), Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), EFO (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  9. Link to Post #25
    UK Avalon Member Cidersomerset's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th May 2011
    Location
    Bridgwater somerset UK
    Age
    57
    Posts
    22,337
    Thanks
    33,460
    Thanked 79,111 times in 18,660 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where
    he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus,
    who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Val Vallient thread for
    further details.
    1960's Sir Peter Hosley very high ranking British officer Air Marshall ...

    There is so much testimony from military and civil pilots ,police and public that
    culminated in Steven Greer's two major press conferences with witness disclosure
    and the alternate congressional hearings a couple years ago and much more.....


    Published on 20 Apr 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukdn6M8NP0

    ==================================================

    There is a segment about this from a UK doc ......

    UFO Files - Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley's Alleged Close Encounter of the Third Kind



    Published on 30 Nov 2009
    In July 1949, he was promoted squadron leader and appointed equerry to Princess
    Elizabeth and Prince Philip. Following King George VI's death on February 6 1952 he
    became equerry to the Queen and, from 1953 until 1956, equerry to the Duke of
    Edinburgh.

    At first, Horsley was expected to carry out normal RAF duties as commander of No
    29, a Meteor IX jet night fighter squadron at Tangmere in Sussex, in tandem with
    Palace duties. In 1953 the problem was resolved when Horsley was invited to join
    Prince Philip's staff full time. In this period Horsley also pushed forward
    arrangements for Prince Philip to learn to fly.

    He also became interested in Unidentified Flying Objects and began a prolonged
    investigation into the more credible reports of sightings. Horsley concluded that
    whereas the majority could be eliminated by natural occurrences, there were some
    RAF and British Overseas Airways sightings which defied explanation. In his
    biography, he gives a detailed account of what he believed to be contact with an
    extraterrestrial.

    From 1971, Horsley was commander of No 1 Group's nuclear deterrent bomber
    force. After two years he became Deputy C-in-C, Strike Command, where he
    remained until retirement in 1975.
    Last edited by Cidersomerset; 25th February 2018 at 16:01.

  10. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Cidersomerset For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), The Crimson Horse Blanket (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  11. Link to Post #26
    Avalon Member Red Skywalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    5th January 2011
    Posts
    211
    Thanks
    116
    Thanked 909 times in 189 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    My personal view is that there are a couple of reasons:

    1.THEY are afraid of us (shooting down their craft and our animal like behavior)

    2. There is a space war going on (seems that is finally settled but not yet finished on the Earth's surface. Hopefully this will be settled soon but we have to do that ourselves, although there is invisible help.)

    3. WE have lost the understanding of the workings of the Universe. If we would understand that, we would live in a whole different (peaceful) way. Now we dance and play around with forces that can be very dangerous, but also very beneficial, if understood. Which we don't and leads to point 1.

    Understanding the physics of the Universe is two folded:
    mechanical and spiritual. Both can be unified in one practical understanding of the mechanical working and origin of consciousness. That mechanical working is of course not explainable by the present physics. So that needs new out of the box thinking idea's. One example is "The Electric Universe" in astronomy, which replaces gravity planetary motions by electrical charge and Birkeland currents. Many unexplained phenomena can be explained with that idea. But it still falls under pseudo-scientific cosmological ideas... like almost all new ideas.

    And that is maybe why THEY have not shown up, imo.

  12. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Red Skywalker For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), Ernie Nemeth (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (26th February 2018)

  13. Link to Post #27
    UK Avalon Member Cidersomerset's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th May 2011
    Location
    Bridgwater somerset UK
    Age
    57
    Posts
    22,337
    Thanks
    33,460
    Thanked 79,111 times in 18,660 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    There seems to be a fair amount in Italian...
    and like Charles Hall , Billy Meier , Travis Walton
    and others they are sticking to their truths.....

    23 07 2016 Conferenza Gaspare De Lama -
    Recanati presso studio Osteopatico Sutherland

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ByebzyD_Y

    Published on 14 Sep 2016

    ===============================

    Intervista a Gaspare De Lama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaEIByBaHpA

    Published on 2 May 2017
    Al minuto tot (1.30.00 quello che è) il concetto esatto è
    che i CTR hanno disturbato da carognette i w56 che
    lasciavano la base, e non viceversa!

    Intervista a Gaspare De Lama

    ===============================


    CONTACT (puntata n°5) IL CASO AMICIZIA W56
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIp2EnAZ5o4
    Gruppo Ricerche Intelligenze Aliene

    Published on 5 Aug 2015
    Quinta puntata di Contact dedicata al fantastico caso amizizia, in questa puntata
    parleremo con due testimoni oculari ,Gaspare De Lama e sua moglie Mirella Bergamini.

    There are many on U'tube but not found any more in English yet....

    =================================================

    Edit...This one has English sub titles...

    The Friendship case Interview with Gaspare De Lama by Ivan Ceci SD



    Published on 2 Sep 2015
    For more information on this contactee case, see "UFO Secret: The Friendship Case,
    Voltaire, and Germain" at http://dream-prophecy.blogspot.com/20...
    Last edited by Cidersomerset; 25th February 2018 at 21:35.

  14. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Cidersomerset For This Post:

    EFO (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (26th February 2018)

  15. Link to Post #28
    France Administrator Hervé's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th March 2011
    Location
    Brittany
    Posts
    14,940
    Thanks
    51,282
    Thanked 80,491 times in 13,692 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    When one takes the vast amount of abductions which have taken place along the ages...

    ... how is that for "contact"? ... on a very large scale!

    Generations after generations!

    If there is one thing I am convinced Simon Parkes reported accurately was his mentor telling him about their abductees:
    "They are not supposed to remember!"
    Then, when one considers the cases, repeated/reproduced/duplicated multiple times, of "The Third Man in the Room" and the manipulation of the human mind for eons; Jacques Vallée's conclusion that UFO phenomena are indistinguishable from psychic phenomena starts to make a lot more sense than anything else because it becomes a perception conundrum.
    "La réalité est un rêve que l'on fait atterrir" San Antonio AKA F. Dard

    Troll-hood motto: Never, ever, however, whatsoever, to anyone, a point concede.

  16. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Hervé For This Post:

    devplan (27th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), KiwiElf (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), Spiral (25th February 2018), Tintin (26th February 2018), Valerie Villars (27th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  17. Link to Post #29
    Aaland Avalon Member Agape's Avatar
    Join Date
    26th March 2010
    Posts
    4,205
    Thanks
    9,593
    Thanked 16,859 times in 3,273 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    Not sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which seemed to fizzle out? Our forum is way past deciding if there is life out there and the bigger question in my mind is what do you suppose is the reason that ET's are not making themselves more publicly viewed? A mass sighting event or events spread out so that a large number of the public sees might be one way. Some of the advanced species have no fear of our intelligence level and they see our world leaders as nothing to fear. So here it is 2018 and they still haven't come out publicly... Yet many people have witnessed them on a personal level and would love to have their testimony validated someday...

    I have to confess I base my observations on personal experience and one that’s life long , vis my post above but feeling the need to clarify .
    Since I have experienced communication and in some cases ‘contact’ with advanced non-human entities since childhood and that was time before the computer and internet era and no one in family was ‘into this’ and my human family were very rationally oriented people who discouraged any ‘outlandish’ interest especially in children .
    So there was no way I could discuss it at home or with my friends neither I felt the need to do that until I had what qualified with me ‘real contact’ experience in Bodhgaya 2002.
    But the term ‘friendship’ describes my relationship and experience with the other entities very well. Of course it’s only now as older adult that I have the words and platform or even daring ness to give names to it.
    By their appearance they were more advanced humanoids and palpably coming from far away , visitors here in short. They were never scary or frightening in any manner or by the principles they abide and kept to, with me and in general. In short, if they could do no good they’d never do harm , to us or each other.
    I’m talking of entities I’ve been in touch with , not generalizing and I know more about it now to admit they’re unfortunately not the only ones around.
    But where ‘my friends’ are concerned they’re protective of themselves and us and do not keep any ‘pacts’ with evil entities ,
    in fact I can sense they try to keep as much distance from them as possible .

    But back to my relationship with them , I was surprised actually , more than one time in my life when I could see that progression happens and that they’ve been behind my evolution path as well, waiting patiently till I was mature enough to understand more .
    It also seemed to me that while they care about my safety and good environment that it really does not matter to them which place on the planet are we, momentarily .

    They accelerated my psycho-spiritual evolution as kid and teenager and it was time before the internet and I did not understand what’s going on a lot , I drew pictures and did some strange maths at that time that no one understood and was very open to what I felt to be a contact with ‘higher dimension’ even though I was not able to define entities at that time and my openness turned to creativity and dissonance with human family and collective for many years.

    Then I ‘came back’ to evolve as human being for many years but that was only thanks to ‘Mother India’ and being called there from deep within, meeting with authentic masters , studying Vedas and meditation , I was in harmony with humanity and paradoxically , detached from inner experiences .

    The next time my contact experiences continued they fell on more stable grounds with me and there was visible progress . It was not only insights, abstract information or sensations , there was more real ‘face to face’ communication and I knew more of who and how they are.

    Even then , I know I can’t ‘force’ anything . I can call them in but it’s for short time and it’s for the way how time-Space physics works and it’s like living in water -aquarium of space and time that are semi-opened systems.

    As inquisitive creature and after I tried my best with reporting the Bodhgaya data on real origin of humankind , of course I questioned them many times on why not coming closer or showing us ‘real proofs’ of their presence . Naturally it would dispel many doubts and sufferings of those involved .

    The answer was more like no news . Just the same message that sounds like ‘you know you understand the reasons , we’ve told you or showed you many times ‘ .
    That’s like ‘you can’t go over that threshold ‘. If you insist and we get you there unprepared you will get experience , acceleration and knowledge but ..if it’s not the right time you will suffer for it .
    I’ve already experienced what happens after each of those contacts and how the human society neither ones own individual organism can cope very well.
    It tends to end up in ‘reversal’ that is very unpleasant for the individual ( and worse cases occur as well ). But with benevolent entities the worst case scenario is you end up feeling sick for timebeing plus quite detached from human undertakings and relationships .
    It tends to break families . People end up wrong ways , jobless, homeless , in institutions. I could sense it’s not what these advanced entities want for me or us to happen .
    Sometimes I feel they themselves ask ‘do you want to do more’ and when you’re not ready they won’t force you .
    They generally seem to contact people when circumstances are good enough , in favour of both parties.

    It may be all the trick , actually . Not a good excuse but too often I felt that much could be done if circumstances were conducive and helpful to this rather than harsh or too stressful .
    It still does not make huge sense to me why they don’t contact some billionaires who have all the time and money for the venue since ‘losing job’ would not matter a lot there But, maybe those people are too attached to their selves by nature and contact with advanced entities is a matter of choice&consent and can’t be forced.

    It probably stands on that principle, of benevolence and choice . Choice means , you choose one option and discard the other . What you get in this case is relationship and intelligence from other entities and what you lose ..could have been carrier , human family , casual relationships and opportunities ..it’s quid pro quod.

    But could be all my pure speculation as well .
    Last edited by Agape; 25th February 2018 at 13:40.

  18. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Agape For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), EFO (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), Tintin (26th February 2018), Valerie Villars (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  19. Link to Post #30
    Avalon Member East Sun's Avatar
    Join Date
    13th May 2010
    Location
    Cape Cod MA USA
    Posts
    1,252
    Thanks
    2,281
    Thanked 3,334 times in 909 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    The self proclaimed elite have been trying very hard to deny that ETs exist. This way they can control us which they have been doing for a long time. Also the military and NASA have their own agendas that includes lying to us.
    So there is imo a plan to keep us in the dark as much as possible and a denial of the reality that exists.
    No disclosure is likely any time soon.

    ET's, being very advanced know the situation and may still have an agreement with some Gvts.
    Question Everything, twice or maybe trice..........

  20. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to East Sun For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018)

  21. Link to Post #31
    Avalon Member The Crimson Horse Blanket's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st May 2017
    Posts
    206
    Thanks
    185
    Thanked 1,296 times in 197 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Quote The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where
    he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus,
    who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Val Vallient thread for
    further details.

    1960's Sir Peter Hosley very high ranking British officer Air Marshall ...

    There is so much testimony from military and civil pilots ,police and public that
    culminated in Steven Greer's two major press conferences with witness disclosure
    and the alternate congressional hearings a couple years ago.....


    Published on 20 Apr 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukdn6M8NP0

    ==================================================

    There is a segment about this from a UK doc ......

    UFO Files - Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley's Alleged Close Encounter of the Third Kind



    Published on 30 Nov 2009
    In July 1949, he was promoted squadron leader and appointed equerry to Princess
    Elizabeth and Prince Philip. Following King George VI's death on February 6 1952 he
    became equerry to the Queen and, from 1953 until 1956, equerry to the Duke of
    Edinburgh.

    At first, Horsley was expected to carry out normal RAF duties as commander of No
    29, a Meteor IX jet night fighter squadron at Tangmere in Sussex, in tandem with
    Palace duties. In 1953 the problem was resolved when Horsley was invited to join
    Prince Philip's staff full time. In this period Horsley also pushed forward
    arrangements for Prince Philip to learn to fly.

    He also became interested in Unidentified Flying Objects and began a prolonged
    investigation into the more credible reports of sightings. Horsley concluded that
    whereas the majority could be eliminated by natural occurrences, there were some
    RAF and British Overseas Airways sightings which defied explanation. In his
    biography, he gives a detailed account of what he believed to be contact with an
    extraterrestrial.

    From 1971, Horsley was commander of No 1 Group's nuclear deterrent bomber
    force. After two years he became Deputy C-in-C, Strike Command, where he
    remained until retirement in 1975.
    Here is a report of the crew of the Vampire jet that encountered a UFO as mentioned by Peter Horsley in the clip Cidersomerset posted.





    On the 3rd November 1953, Flight Lieutenant Terry S Johnson & his navigator, flying officer Geoffery Smythe, based at RAF West Malling, were flying a vampire NF-10 at 30,000 feet when Johnson suddenly spotted a bright circular object dead ahead, about a mile away. Glowing with greater intensity about its periphery, than at the centre.

    "After about 10 seconds it moved to our right at very high speed. It did not appear on Geoffs radar screen at any time".

    On landing at West malling, the men were questioned by Squadron Commander Furze, who reported the sighting to the Station Commander - Group Captain P Hamley. He took a special interest, having sighted foo fighters in the second world war.

    The men were called to the Air Ministry, to give a full account to the Duke of Edinburgh's Equerry (Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley). They were told that Prince Phillip (a qualified pilot) was interested in flying saucers.
    Last edited by The Crimson Horse Blanket; 25th February 2018 at 21:08.

  22. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to The Crimson Horse Blanket For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  23. Link to Post #32
    Canada Avalon Member Justplain's Avatar
    Join Date
    8th April 2016
    Posts
    994
    Thanks
    2,475
    Thanked 5,396 times in 938 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    The reason why ETs dont want to contact is because they want to remain hidden. If you have experienced an abduction you'll see that they are harvesting us. There wont be a nuclear war because they'd stop it cuz we're not allowed to ruin their farm.

    If you have read Truman Cash's books, you'll know that all four ET groups are involved in harvesting humans, the grays do a lot of abductions and programming, the mantids control the soul recycling, the pleaidians implant false religions and insidious secret societies and the reptilians foment conflict. The soul harvesting has humans reincarnating under the direction of the ETs. The massive size and number of ET bases on and around Earth is evidence to the scale of this project.

    I believe this ET harvesting only involves a fraction of Earth humans, but still a significant number. The untouched souls are likely living normal incarnational experiences.

    The benevolent ETs, if there are any, havent stopped this trap, so somehow, those affected have to find their own way out. Truman thinks that past life, and past abduction, memory retrievals can help with this.

    I wouldnt trust any ET disclosure, its likely a ruse. The benevolent ones dont need secrecy, but when they help equip us to break this trap, cuz the evil ET's control this world, then will be the time to meet the good ones, and only then.
    Last edited by Justplain; 25th February 2018 at 23:58.

  24. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Justplain For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), devplan (27th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), Spiral (25th February 2018), The Crimson Horse Blanket (25th February 2018), Tintin (26th February 2018)

  25. Link to Post #33
    United States Avalon Member Foxie Loxie's Avatar
    Join Date
    20th September 2015
    Location
    Central NY
    Age
    74
    Posts
    3,079
    Thanks
    67,683
    Thanked 17,107 times in 2,950 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    What an insightful post, Justplain! Thank you so much!

  26. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Foxie Loxie For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), Justplain (25th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), Tintin (26th February 2018)

  27. Link to Post #34
    Avalon Member The Crimson Horse Blanket's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st May 2017
    Posts
    206
    Thanks
    185
    Thanked 1,296 times in 197 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    The reason why ETs dont want to contact is is because they want to remain hidden. If you have experienced an abduction you'll see that they are harvesting us. There wont be a nuclear war because they'd stop it cuz we're not allowed to ruin their farm.

    If you have read Truman Cash's books, you'll know that all four ET groups are involved in harvesting humans, the grays do a lot of abductions and programming, the mantids control the soul recycling, the pleaidians implant false religions and insidious secret societies and the reptilians foment conflict. The soul harvesting has humans reincarnating under the direction of the ETs. The massive size and number of ET bases on and around Earth is evidence ot the scale of this project.

    I believe this ET harvesting only involves a fraction of Earth humans, but still a significant number. The untouched souls are likely living normal incarnational experiences.

    The benevilent ETs, if there are any, havent stopped this trap, so somehow, those affected have to find their own way out. Truman thinks that past life, and past abduction, memory retrievals can help with this.

    I wouldnt trust any ET disclosure, its likely a ruse. The benevolent ones dont need secrecy, but when they help equip us to break this trap, cuz the evil ET's control this world, then will be the time to meet the good ones, and only then.
    There is definitely a human element to the abduction phenomena, a distinct military presence, whether as observers, or a more sinister angle is unknown at this stage. At least by us, on the 'outside'. If anyone has spent enough time studying this fascinating subject, it leads to an inevitable question as to whether all proponents of the abduction phenomena are 'alien' in nature, alien/human, or human. I am convinced that it is a mixture of the two. And that is quite a scary conclusion to arrive at.

  28. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to The Crimson Horse Blanket For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), Justplain (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018)

  29. Link to Post #35
    United States Avalon Member Valerie Villars's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th November 2017
    Age
    56
    Posts
    1,680
    Thanks
    9,737
    Thanked 9,499 times in 1,638 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    I believe fear is partially what prevents them from having open contact with us and us from seeing them. And they don't have to land here in anything. They are already here. I know because I have had contact with some of them and for a long time, and still, it was and is very puzzling. They are just different from us and their energy is very different. You know there is something very different about them, even though they look somewhat the same. Benevolent contact must happen on a somewhat "equal" vibrational level. No matter how open minded a person is, it is still going to be very difficult for many people, as they are now, not to lose it and doubt their sanity.
    "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone when we are uncool." From the movie "Almost Famous""When a society is afraid of it's poets, it is afraid of itself." Lenore Kandel

  30. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Valerie Villars For This Post:

    Cidersomerset (25th February 2018), East Sun (25th February 2018), Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), Hervé (25th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), Spiral (25th February 2018), The Crimson Horse Blanket (25th February 2018), william r sanford72 (25th February 2018), Wind (26th February 2018)

  31. Link to Post #36
    UK Avalon Member Cidersomerset's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th May 2011
    Location
    Bridgwater somerset UK
    Age
    57
    Posts
    22,337
    Thanks
    33,460
    Thanked 79,111 times in 18,660 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Aspects of all the answers above could be true and more..

    Quote If you have read Truman Cash's books, you'll know that all four ET groups
    are involved in harvesting humans
    More than four groups seem to be visiting than the four mentioned but they
    maybe some of the more active...

    57 varieties of aliens Sgt. Clifford Stone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqahF0nb7rM
    Published on 15 Aug 2008
    Sgt. Clifford Stone of the US Army explains how 57 varieties of alien beings
    had been catalogued by 1989.

    ==================================================

    In the vid below Paul Helyer says hes aware of five and maybe as many as twenty.

    4 Alien Species visited earth for 1000s of years EX Canadian Minister of
    Defense Paul Hellyer


    Published on 5 May 2013...Not sure of air date ?
    Last edited by Cidersomerset; 25th February 2018 at 22:46.

  32. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Cidersomerset For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), Justplain (26th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), william r sanford72 (26th February 2018)

  33. Link to Post #37
    UK Avalon Member Cidersomerset's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th May 2011
    Location
    Bridgwater somerset UK
    Age
    57
    Posts
    22,337
    Thanks
    33,460
    Thanked 79,111 times in 18,660 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    This interview is on the link and it is in HD as he tells his story I remember it from
    his Camelot vid. Now Why would he and all the others make this up and be so
    consistent ? Is he part of some mind control programme ? a hoaxer ? or something
    else ? To me he seems genuine like most of the others .....

    Veritas Radio | Sgt Clifford Stone | Eyes Only: The Story of Clifford Stone and UFO Crash Retrievals


    Published on 24 Mar 2012

    This is video segment 1 of 2. Segment 1 is being provided as a courtesy of Veritas
    Radio. To watch Segment 2 of this exclusive interview, subscribe at
    http://www.veritasradio.com
    and proceed to
    http://www.veritasradio.com/tv
    to watch the rest.
    Veritas is censorship and commercial free and survives on your voluntary
    subscriptions. Thank you for supporting our work.This material is copyrighted by
    The Manticore Group. Copying and embedding on other servers/websites/video
    channels (including YouTube), is strictly prohibited.

    S y n o p s i s

    This interview with Sgt. Clifford Stone was filmed at the 2012 International UFO
    Congress. This section offers audio only. To watch video of this interview CLICK
    HERE.

    "My name is Sergeant 1st Class, US Army, Clifford Stone. I had a secret clearance
    with nuclear assurity. I was called in on special operations, I participated in crash
    recovery missions. There were bodies involved. Some were alive. While we were
    doing this, we were telling the world there was nothing to it."

    Wow. It's great to hear from someone who's actually worked with crashed UFOs,
    and the ETs found on board. Retired from the U.S. Army after 22 years, Sgt. Stone
    has been revealing what he saw and knows since Dr. Steven Greer's 2001 National
    Press Club DISCLOSURE PROJECT conference. You've seen the YouTube footage
    (over a billion views, Mel says). Stone is the guy whose answer to a question is that
    the government has catalogued at least 57 ET species.

    Stone was trained to be an ET first responder. He had a kind of field guide to ET
    types and how to keep them alive until medics arrived.Stone was also an interfacer,
    brought in to communicate with live EBEs; telepathically, of course.

    Like so many whose lives become entangled with ET realities, Stone hints that he
    was probably cultivated from a young age for future assignments. He talks about
    one strange "training mission" to "Florida," where they came upon Grays at a
    gently placed, but shrapnel spewed B-52 in what was likely a Cambodian
    jungle. "CLIF-FORD. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?" He is asked, telepathically.

    We hear about a downed craft in Virginia, of all places, where Stone was brought in
    to interface with an EBE. The little guy exuded fear. He asked Stone for help. Said
    there was a big problem ahead. Stone got ET home, safe and sound.

    Why are we seeing so many UFOs these days, Mel asks.

    "I think they know something we don't, and that's the part that worries me," says Stone.

    Stone has amassed over 500 million pages of documents in support of his case that
    the U.S. has been involved with ETs since the early 40s, if not before, and he's still
    at it. He's got a new book out that he hopes will encourage others to reveal their ET
    experiences.

    "Our visitors have rogue elements with access to technology," Stone says. "But
    with that said, if any of these rogue elements were to threaten us, others would
    come to our aid and neutralize that threat. That may be what's happening out in
    space. Something is.

    "Someone needs to come and say: 'First of all don't panic, but here's the facts.'
    That will be the start of disclosure. Otherwise some event is going to happen that
    thousands of people will witness. A lot of people will panic and we'll be our own
    worst enemies.

    "I want my message to be one of enlightenment, and hope for a new beginning and
    a brighter future. Yes they're here. They're not hostile. They are very spiritually and
    technologically evolved. They mean us no harm."

    You'll want to catch Mel's 2009 interview with Sgt. Stone in the Veritas archives.

    ================================================== =

    UFO Crash Recovery - Sgt. Clifford Stone Testifies

    Sirius Disclosure
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GnGGCaC6P4

    Published on 4 Nov 2013
    Sergeant Clifford Stone, US Army.
    For more information, visit http://www.SiriusDisclosure.com.

    Subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/sdisclosure.
    Sergeant Stone tells an amazing story about the history of UFO's and
    extraterrestrials dating back to the early 40's and probably before. General Douglas
    MacArthur organized a group called the Interplanetary Phenomena Research Unit
    back in 1943 to study this issue and it continues to this day. Their purpose is to
    recover objects of unknown origin particularly those that are of non-Earthly origin.
    They obtain field intelligence information and pass it on to those who are
    the "keepers of this information." This unit was thought to be working in
    conjunction with Bluebook but in fact was not.
    Last edited by Cidersomerset; 25th February 2018 at 22:32.

  34. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Cidersomerset For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), william r sanford72 (26th February 2018)

  35. Link to Post #38
    United States Avalon Member Valerie Villars's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th November 2017
    Age
    56
    Posts
    1,680
    Thanks
    9,737
    Thanked 9,499 times in 1,638 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    What Agape said makes a lot of sense from my own experience. Somehow, fear left me and then I was able to see and interact with these beings. But not being on the same level, it did indeed disrupt my life in the material sense and alienated me from many people and situations for a while. It is definitely not something that can be defined. It defies what we consider "normal" explanation. So, it then tends to make the experiencer look insane according to "normal" society. I was lucky enough to have circumstances end up in my favor, but for a long time, it didn't seem like it was in my favor. All in all, there is a heavy supernatural element to all of it.
    "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone when we are uncool." From the movie "Almost Famous""When a society is afraid of it's poets, it is afraid of itself." Lenore Kandel

  36. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Valerie Villars For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (25th February 2018), Hervé (25th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), william r sanford72 (26th February 2018)

  37. Link to Post #39
    United States Avalon Member mojo's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th February 2011
    Posts
    4,074
    Thanks
    23,048
    Thanked 24,474 times in 3,748 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Ty Vallerie Villars for sharing that and you are not alone as you can see from some of the responses. Back in 2010 a spike of activity hit here and caught some on film. But it hasn't been an easy road like being accused of hoaxing and never really pushed for anything over the seasons and years of evidence gathering and try and be a good witness with no monetary gain or public fame, but still my integrity which is all that mattered to me was attacked by hurtful people.

  38. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to mojo For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Hervé (25th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), Ol' Roy (26th February 2018), The Crimson Horse Blanket (25th February 2018), Valerie Villars (27th February 2018), william r sanford72 (26th February 2018)

  39. Link to Post #40
    Avalon Member The Crimson Horse Blanket's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st May 2017
    Posts
    206
    Thanks
    185
    Thanked 1,296 times in 197 posts

    Default Re: What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    Ty Vallerie Villars for sharing that and you are not alone as you can see from some of the responses. Back in 2010 a spike of activity hit here and caught some on film. But it hasn't been an easy road like being accused of hoaxing and never really pushed for anything over the seasons and years of evidence gathering and try and be a good witness with no monetary gain or public fame, but still my integrity which is all that mattered to me was attacked by hurtful people.
    Well said mojo.

  40. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to The Crimson Horse Blanket For This Post:

    Foxie Loxie (26th February 2018), Michelle Marie (3rd March 2018), mojo (25th February 2018), onevoice (26th February 2018), Valerie Villars (27th February 2018)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 5 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts