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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    Seems relevant to this thread:


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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    Here is more context to the above video:

    Article 1 - Russia, just do it

    Some extracts from the above article:

    Quote "While blind and hypocritical West was hailing their thoroughly fake idol of Nelson Mandela, the Republic of South Africa was slowly being consumed by unprecedented black racism and non-stop assault on white Afrikaners. Rape, murder, robbery, barbed wire electrified fences around white South African communities--these are defining characteristics of modern South Africa. In general--it has NO FUTURE. The expropriation of land from white farmers will be their death knell, literally. Like in Zimbabwe, they will be raped, murdered, pillaged and whatever else comes with Zimbabwean, now South African "justice". The so called West, which still believes in own lies about South African "democracy" and benevolence of BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) and of ANC WILL NOT accept white Afrikaners when real white exodus starts, nor will the United States do so--the combined West prefers today anybody but white, predominantly Christian people. The fate of Afrikaners is in question today and those people need desperately safe haven to start their lives over. Modern West is not it."
    Article 2 - Russia Welcomes Afrikaners: 15,000 Boers Want to Change South Africa for Russia (VIDEO) - which is an expansion on the video clip above.

    Some comments:

    1) These are wealthy white South Africans - taking US $ 100 000 with them is only possible for the few.

    2) There is a growing white squatter population, still not sizable enough to be immediately noticable, who have no family wealth or connections, and not all are Afrikaners/Boers (Dutch decent) - many of these are also of British decent, so not all White South Africans are Afrikaners/Boers. Many of these people are trapped, they cannot get work due to Employment Equity legislation, and it is impossible for them to meet the stringent Visa requirements to travel to most countries in the world, nor can they afford it. Here is a short clip giving a snapshot view:


    But there is also still massive black poverty:


    Will leave it at that.
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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    Was waiting for this. The not minor detail that Russia and South Africa are strategically aligned through BRICS was bound to surface. Excellent analysis in my view.


    Key points from the article above:

    - The planned migration of 15,000 South African Boers to Russia is forcing the host country to choose between welcoming these new arrivals for humanitarian reasons or complicating their efforts to flee for geopolitical ones.

    - The intertwined issue of the Boers and their farms involves human and land rights, though legitimate questions pertaining to racial victimhood and inherited property have been largely overlooked after political extremists hijacked this emotive debate.

    - For example, some far-right personalities portray black South Africans as “ungrateful savages” hell bent on irresponsibly turning their country into 2000s Zimbabwe for the short-term sake of satisfying racial bloodlust, while far-left ones have framed the Boers as “racist pigs” clinging to their Apartheid-era legacy of land ownership partially as a means of ensuring their social superiority over the black masses.

    - Unfortunately, the heated tensions between both camps have evidently become irreconcilable seeing as how criminals are now violently targeting the Boers and the state has passed a motion allowing it to seize this influential minority group’s land, which is why so many of them feel that the time has finally come for them to flee

    - Australia was originally a possible destination for them after its Home Affairs Minister said that “special attention” would be given to granting the Boers visas on humanitarian grounds, but the resultant scandal that this provoked in the island nation draws into question whether the government can fulfill its original promise.

    - Russia can’t control how other countries, especially its BRICS strategic partner South Africa, view its actions, and Moscow’s assistance to the same Boers whom many Africans loathe might undermine its soft power as it quietly returns to the continent given the perception that millions of people have of them as “racist pigs"

    - In addition, South Africa (the government) would almost surely object to Russia de-facto legitimizing the Boers’ narrative of racist victimization, which could complicate their bilateral relationship even further after last year’s unexpected nuclear deal setback and possibly even provoke Pretoria to take the lead in opposing the recent expansion of Moscow’s influence in Africa depending on how offended it becomes.

    - The country could still welcome the Boers with open arms for the reasons previously explained, but it wouldn’t be prioritizing their migration on any humanitarian grounds and would therefore be keeping it strictly apolitical. This would allow Moscow to send the message that it respects South Africa’s official stance that the Boers aren’t facing any unique problems and therefore avoid having Russia inadvertently interfere in its domestic affairs by formally suggesting otherwise through the acceptance of any potential asylum claims from the Boers or affording them special treatment.
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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    This is a report briefly covering what earlier clips covered, but with added commentary which gives a more substantial context to this issue:

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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

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    - The intertwined issue of the Boers and their farms involves human and land rights, though legitimate questions pertaining to racial victimhood and inherited property have been largely overlooked after political extremists hijacked this emotive debate.
    The very premise of this statement is illegitimate in my view. To say that there are "legitimate questions" about the redistribution of land based upon purely racial considerations is entirely racist. People making that argument should simply admit it rather than continuing to try to deny the obvious. If you want to be racist and run your country like racists, then that's fine, but you should realize the larger climate you are creating by doing so. It is very easy for us to devolve back into very primal and tribal states of alliances in these situations, and the Boers are very clearly prepared for this. They have lived with native Africans for generations and understand the situation better than any of us, I'm sure. And they are armed with firearms.

    Saying "well we could have seized all the white land peacefully if it wasn't for a few violent fellows" is the same kind of thinking that says "communist regimes may have killed 100 million people in the 1900's but that wasn't real communism."

    You may think it is a "legitimate question" as to whether peoples' land should be seized from them simply for being white, but you are facilitating exactly the kind of violence you claim to be extreme. There is no other way to seize property from an entire race of people except through violence. Of course that is what a lot of South Africans are going to try to do, and those people truly are savages.

    By the way, many of them also believe that raping small children is a cure for AIDS. I suppose their abject ignorance on medicine will require further concessions from the whites too.

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    I have recently made contact with a white women from South Africa. She told me the whites are being slaughtered like animals. She Tweeted me this, "Thanks...yesterday a man testified in church how his family was tied up with ropes including small kids by 7 intruders.. His son inlaw was shot. He said he will never forgive them for what they did. He then walked out of church with tearfilled eyes."
    So unbelievably sad.
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    This is yet another message I received from SA today:
    There is this guy who testified in church on Sunday. He was living with his daughter and kids on a farm. On the 24th of June they were attacked by 7 intruders. They were tied up .. even the kids too. His son inlaw was killed. Thet fled the scene with a few valuables.
    What makes me angry is that they hunt in packs like wolves. It takes 9 strong men to kill an 90yr old lady. They gouched her eyes out..cut her tongue out..etc. We also have witch doctors who pays big money for white body parts. They use it in their 'magic potions' . Men are castrated while alive and left to bleed to death..or in some cases kicked to death. Woman are gang raped and afterwards a broken beer bottle is pushed up in their vaginas..this is just a few examples of what really happens here. There is a documentary viideo called 'Farmlands'. Please google it. It tells a lot of what is happening here.
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    Quote Posted by Elpis (here)
    I have recently made contact with a white women from South Africa. She told me the whites are being slaughtered like animals. She Tweeted me this, "Thanks...yesterday a man testified in church how his family was tied up with ropes including small kids by 7 intruders.. His son inlaw was shot. He said he will never forgive them for what they did. He then walked out of church with tearfilled eyes."
    So unbelievably sad.
    Well don't worry. Even though they hate Christians, the far left is going to see to it that every last white in South Africa becomes their very own Jesus Christ for the sins of the white man.

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    Here is a very good documentary summarizing a number of views from people in South Africa:

    Quote "South Africa is further removed now from the ideal of a rainbow nation than at any other time since the official end of apartheid in 1994. Extremists are increasingly gaining traction and poisoning the atmosphere, as some incite hatred for short-term political gain. The tide is turning in South Africa. Following the death of Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, South African anti-apartheid politician and activist and the former wife of Nelson Mandela, at the beginning of April, only a handful of the leading anti-apartheid campaigners now remain. South Africa ex-president Jacob Zuma is on trial for corruption. He and his cohorts have lined their pockets in an unprecedented fashion over the course of recent years. Now younger politicians, unwilling to wait any longer for a redistribution of wealth in South Africa, are making radical demands. They want white farmers to have their land confiscated without compensation. Cyril Ramaphosa, South Africa’s new president, has indicated he too would support that. But at the same time, he appears to be taking a more professional approach and is keen to clean up South African politics. Nevertheless both black and white South Africans say relations between them are worse than ever since the end of apartheid."

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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    Another Zimbabwe in the making.

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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    The Guardian is an anti-white leftist rag. They host articles such as "Please, no more white people writing smug articles about leaving London" which they later renamed after backlash, calling it out for the obvious race pandering that is. Nonetheless they host articles like this anyway and it's nothing but vitriol against white people promoting just like any other form of propaganda in the mainstream press. I'm still waiting for the "Please no more black or Arab people doing __(fill in the blank)___" articles but Guardian seems to be in short supply of those for some reason.

    They also held a fiction-writing competition which specifically excluded whites from participating. I know a lot of leftists will defend that as progressive too, just like they champion segregation when blacks call for it (ie in the case of rooms and buildings at universities from which white people are disallowed from entering -- a form of segregation). This last point may prove to be irrelevant as I think Brown vs. Board of Education may be coming up for review, if I am interpreting all the "separate but equal" signs correctly.

    I bet you anything, if the Boers start fighting back and cause a lot of damage to the EFF supporters, I guarantee you'll hear screeching on the left then.
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    This might be a helpful move for the white farmers, who are desparate to leave and resettle in a safer country.

    Now that they are being kicked off their land without compensation they will more likely qualify for refugee status. For some reason, the G20 countries seem to reserve refugee status to people of colour. Totally unfair in this case. In fact it is purely racist and or weirdly arbitrary.

    Saw the documentary, Farmlands, and recommend it.

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    Quote Posted by arwen (here)
    - The intertwined issue of the Boers and their farms involves human and land rights, though legitimate questions pertaining to racial victimhood and inherited property have been largely overlooked after political extremists hijacked this emotive debate.
    The very premise of this statement is illegitimate in my view. To say that there are "legitimate questions" about the redistribution of land based upon purely racial considerations is entirely racist. People making that argument should simply admit it rather than continuing to try to deny the obvious. If you want to be racist and run your country like racists, then that's fine, but you should realize the larger climate you are creating by doing so. It is very easy for us to devolve back into very primal and tribal states of alliances in these situations, and the Boers are very clearly prepared for this. They have lived with native Africans for generations and understand the situation better than any of us, I'm sure. And they are armed with firearms.

    Saying "well we could have seized all the white land peacefully if it wasn't for a few violent fellows" is the same kind of thinking that says "communist regimes may have killed 100 million people in the 1900's but that wasn't real communism."

    You may think it is a "legitimate question" as to whether peoples' land should be seized from them simply for being white, but you are facilitating exactly the kind of violence you claim to be extreme. There is no other way to seize property from an entire race of people except through violence. Of course that is what a lot of South Africans are going to try to do, and those people truly are savages.

    By the way, many of them also believe that raping small children is a cure for AIDS. I suppose their abject ignorance on medicine will require further concessions from the whites too.
    I'd ignore all the "isms" and see it as group dynamics and human nature. There are some terribly gruesome things occurring in South Africa, where the unemployment rate is sky high and ongoing drought is also causing horrendous problems.

    King Leopold of Belgium wasn't a Communist, Socialist, Libertarian. He was a monarch. Look at the legacy of damage due to atrocity he caused in the Congo.

    Horrible people do horrible things, for sure. And the numbers of horrible increase after generations of stress.

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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    Just for the record, Nelson Mandela's party has been in charge in South Africa ever since Apartheid ended, and the economic disparities between whites and blacks in that country have only become worse since that time. So they are in charge, they are implementing the policies they think will be successful for them, and -- surprise! -- they don't work at all, and are only making things worse.

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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    ... because there may be an underlying common thread to all of it:



    Mandela was a Freemason and Knight of Malta


    Check this post and related to get an idea that "they" are all over the place in Africa:

    Re: Congo - Gang rape, cannibalism, beheadings

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    Default Re: South African Govt votes to seize land from white farmers without compensation

    I had not yet watched Farmlands, am viewing it now, and am also linking it here as it looks (so far) like a decent piece of journalism which is seeking balanced, objective perspective. Thank you Elpis, for the reference. (Update - yes, definitely worth viewing)

    As for potential asylum for these people, there is not a government in the world who will acknowledge any of this or grant refugee status. Australia was the sole exception, but they were shouted down by their citizens who have no knowledge of the realities whatsoever.

    The only way these people can get out is to have a LOT of money and buy their way out, and those who cannot afford to buy their way out are basically corralled in and trapped.

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    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    Dear misinformed Larry you contradict yourself, you say and I qoute: "if one looks at true world history (not the crap we were taught in school) and I'm not being racist" but is it not the school of the west that ommitted nations of colour from history & human development?

    Which in turn leads to idiotic statements just like this one "any black, sub-Saharan country has never, ever developed ANYTHING on their own unless they had the influence/help of whites (+ more recently: Asians)"





    I am astounded as to some of the views some Avalonians hold, What some agree with & What is allowed to get posted of late.


    Oh here Star Tsar goes with all that self hating white stick that the deep state has brain washed her to feel. /s

    MY favorite part is the reference to brownshirts, AKA Sturmabteilung AKA Storm Detachment, and trying to paint others with the brush while openly using their calling card.

    There is a storm coming, AMIRITE?

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