Hi Helene and the group - (I'm going to strip out of the quote the extra thoughts/questions, and keep it just to one for this post, where [..] will show where the text was truncated.) Here's my thought and opinions about the question.. I agree, SA is one location out of many feeling that theft is OK if the majority says it is..
That is a wonderful question. (Thanks for the acknowledgement on the background information I located on ethnicity, racism, tribal ruling methods)..Posted by Helene West (here)
Bob, thanks for all the interesting info you've given us on SA and some of the tribalism aspects.
I've wondered myself along the lines that JustPlain brought up above why does it not occur to these blacks, whether in government or as community outreach groups of some kind, to just ask the white farmers for help with the other lands? To help them develop and properly farm the other non-white farmlands?
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I'll cite from personal experience having been to Nigeria and experienced what happens when the feds take over land for the "good of the country".. In that case, the feds took over all the lands where OIL was found (a resource and one with a very high profit, and a potential to be exploited to allow for bribes, and an inner-circle of haves to profit from the underhanded 'business').. My data was hearing personally from the people who had their 'land' taken over..
They said they tried at first to get a friendly relationship with the feds, to be given back a fair share, or some sort of "use fee", but they said, the feds just took it.. Later they talked about the extent of billions of Naira (Nigerian currency), going back and forth, into the pockets of the "chiefs", and their "enforcers" (tribal councils), and the various upper level officials in 'business'.. And that they as the commoners (who lived the land, farmed the land, or had cattle on it) really really resented, that an "authority" with a bigger force than they could ever muster, that that authority could steal from them.. Such evokes a civil war.. One can hear to this day, the insurgency causing havoc to try to get the fed to listen to them, to pay for the theft...
The theft in SA happened generations ago.. One can hear also in the mideast (Palestine for instance) the theft that happened - it never turns out good for anyone.. What we see is the thug with the biggest social media PR campaign, the biggest guns, the most funding to evoke media manipulation (and thereby with the shills/trolls/bots and/or other attempts at intimidation) work to shape world belief at the macro, and local group manipulation in the smaller communities at the micro. The manipulators HATE it when people are shown how to get information and do their own research and the first response comes back with vile from them, or a sweet backstabbing if covert hostility is their mode.. On the larger scene, such happens within the lobbying happening, or the payoffs in politics..
Logically one could say in SA with those in the poverty situation - please lets work together.. However there ARE groups who are bent on manipulation for personal power, not one bit really interested in "the People" but interested in USING the People and coming up with ANY HOT BUTTON to garner attention, or get them more power.. The manipulators aren't humble in my opinion these days. There is no longer any Ghandi out there to pull up a cause for "the People" - what there is is wealth and power and who can garner it for domination - no doubt, they want world domination.
I am just wondering (out loud), how soon before the "ruling democracy" in SA modifies their constitution once more to "nationalize/seize" the Kimberley Diamond Mines, and the Gold Mines..
Why not - it is no different than seizing businesses as was done in any "democracy" going into a modified "communism", the Soviet model no doubt..