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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    Here's a historical placeholder, and it should serve as an aide memoir to help remain focused.

    History has a habit of repeating itself and there is every reason to suspect that it may have done here with the Skripal story.

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    Operation Beluga: A US-UK Plot to Discredit Putin and Destabilize the Russian Federation
    Friday, 30 March 2018

    Sourced from here.

    EXCLUSIVE: French Spec Ops Captain Paul Barril Reveals How Litvinenko Was Killed

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/aLI-gXJ7T5E

    A former French official who has had senior roles in internal security and terror fighting has come forward with a remarkable statement: that he has documentary evidence proving that Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian spy who died from plutonium poisoning, was killed by US and UK special services.

    In a lengthy interview which is soon to be published, he goes further, saying that Litvinenko’s murder was a special sevices operation designed to defame Russia and Vladimir Putin, that the notorious Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky was involved, and was himself killed by MI6 when he became a liability. He even says he knows the code name of the operation: “Beluga”.

    From Oped News, Monday, March 27:

    Operation Beluga: A US-UK Plot to Discredit Putin and Destabilize the Russian Federation

    Renowned French security expert Paul Barril has let loose a bombshell: the existence of Operation Beluga, a covert Western intelligence scheme intended to undermine Russia and its leaders.

    Is that what's behind much of the threatening rhetoric now going back and forth between the US and Russia?

    Barril exposed Operation Beluga in a recent interview with Swiss businessman Pascal Najadi on the 2006 Alexander Litvinenko death case. Litvinenko was a reputed former spy who many believe was murdered with radioactive polonium on orders of Vladimir Putin.

    Najadi says the interview drew out the converse revelation that Litvinenko was actually killed by "an Italian who administered the deadly polonium 210." What's more, he astonishingly says, the operation was carried out under the auspices of the US and UK.

    In my books The Phony Litvinenko Murder and Litvinenko Murder Case Solved I've written about an Italian connection. But I can't confirm that Barril is talking about the same person.

    Barril’s allegations should be taken seriously. He is a renowned French intelligence figure who is known in France as “Superflic”, which translates roughly as “Supercop.” In the French public eye he is a kind of combination of Eliot Ness, James Bond, and William Bratton. For many years he was the second in command of the ski-mask wearing GIGN, the legendary elite French special forces unit, who top the “badass” rankings of special forces anywhere, and had other high ranking internal security positions in the French government.

    Since leaving government service he has handled security issues as a private contractor for heads of state in the Middle East, Latin America and Africa. He has been at the center of several controversies over the years, and is a well-known author. There is no question that he has access to intelligence at the state level which would give him insights into this affair.
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    Dr Chris Busby: Police become unwell at chemical weapons expert's Devon home

    Coincidence?????


    A chemical weapons expert has been arrested after police started feeling ill while visiting his Devon home.
    Dr Chris Busby, 73, has been detained under the explosives act after officers at his Bideford home on Wednesday morning felt unwell.
    Devon and Cornwall Police said officers at the retired research scientist's home also found "a number of items" which "require expert analysis from specialist officers and an explosive ordnance disposal team".
    The British scientist is an expert on the health effects of internal ionising radiation.
    He is a contributor on Russia Today, the Kremlin-funded TV channel.


    Dr Busby has also worked for Britain's Ministry of Defence on a depleted uranium committee and a committee examining radiation risks of internal emitters.
    Devon and Cornwall Police said the officers who were feeling unwell were immediately removed from the scene and a cordon put in place.
    A hazardous area response team ambulance was quickly sent to the scene where they treated the officers.
    Fire and other ambulance teams were also seen outside the house.
    Police then evacuated the property and arrested Dr Busby.
    Police said the affected officers were unharmed and have since returned to duty.
    In a statement, the Devon and Cornwall force said: "It has not been deemed necessary to evacuate any other properties; there is not believed to be any wider public risk at this time.

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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

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    Dr Chris Busby, 73, has been detained under the explosives act
    What are the odds that someone in British Intelligence was worried that Busby knew too much about something, and might not be trusted to keep quiet?
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    waw, one more arrest cop trick to add to the list.


    Expect a lot more of that. A cop could step inside anyone's home and immediately act out a fake "feeling ill" episode.
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    Oh please, not another Dr David Kelly.....?
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    From Blackstone, he appears to know what he is talking about wrt CCTV camera 'dirt signatures'

    gets to it 16 minutes in.

    Blackstone Intel Exclusive: Analysis shows that photos of alleged assassins Petrov and Boshirov were doctored by Scotland Yard as part of the falsification of a timeline of events in the Skipal poisoning.


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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    True identity revealed: Salisbury suspect is colonel in Russian military intelligence.



    He was identified by British police earlier this month as Ruslan Boshirov but now an investigation by the organisation Bellingcat has revealed his real name is Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga.

    https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-...gence-11509532
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    In another twist, the mainstream media continues to press on with some source material of pretty dubious provenance.

    In all honesty, it continues to smack a little --- or maybe more than --- of desperation on the part of the Establishment in attempting to cover their tracks.

    If Paul Barril's testimony has legs, and there is every reason to suppose that it does, then the Operation Beluga footprint is all over this, and the most likely MO in this instance, but, really rather just a warning shot instead of a 'hit': I doubt it was a botched hit, if, somewhat controversially I might add, anything really did actually 'go down' in Salisbury that day with any actual poisoning at all. (Aside: interesting how a Beluga whale did in fact appear in London's River Thames this week, although I expect there will not be an attempt to pin the deed on that).

    This week's episode seems to involve supposedly revealing the true identity of one of the visitors to Salisbury.

    Who writes this stuff?

    Craig Murray has his suspicions and this piece from his blog seems to have pre-empted Bellingcat and Russian Insider as it was written before yesterday's script was wheeled out, and in as much as making the point that they are very far from reliable sources of information. It is very important to bear the surface origin of information (sic) in mind at all times - many are used as a front for intelligence propaganda, and the dissemination of falsehoods.

    Remember, always, that the primary purpose of intelligence agencies all over the world is the management of information. This of course would also involve making stuff up.

    Over to Craig:

    The Incredible Case of Boshirov and Petrov’s Visas
    24 Sep, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig |

    "What Bellingcat does have is a track record of shilling for the security services. Bellingcat claims its purpose is to clear up fake news, yet has been entirely opaque about the real source of its so-called documents."

    "It is not easy for a Russian citizen, particularly an economically active male, to get past the UK Border Agency. The visa application process is very intrusive. They have to produce evidence of family and professional circumstances, including employment and address, evidence of funds, including at least three months of bank statements, and evidence of the purpose of the visit."

    "The fact of there being no credible evidence, according to either the Metropolitan Police or the Crown Prosecution Service, to link them to the Amesbury poisoning, has profound implications."

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    The Metropolitan Police made one statement in the Skripal case which is plainly untrue; they claimed not to know on what kind of visa Boshirov and Petrov were travelling. As they knew the passports they used, and had footage of them coming through the airport, that is impossible. The Border Force could tell them in 30 seconds flat.

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    To get a UK visa Boshirov and Petrov would have had to attend the UK Visa Application Centre in Moscow. There not only would their photographs be taken, but their fingerprints would have been taken and, if in the last few years, their irises scanned. The Metropolitan Police would naturally have obtained their fingerprints from the Visa Application.

    One thing of which we can be certain is that their fingerprints are not on the perfume bottle or packaging found in Charlie Rowley’s home. We can be certain of that because no charges have been brought against the two in relation to the death of Dawn Sturgess, and we know the police have their fingerprints.

    The fact of there being no credible evidence, according to either the Metropolitan Police or the Crown Prosecution Service, to link them to the Amesbury poisoning, has profound implications.

    Why the Metropolitan Police were so coy about telling us what kind of visa the pair held, points to a wider mystery. Why were they given the visas in the first place, and what story did they tell to get them? It is not easy for a Russian citizen, particularly an economically active male, to get past the UK Border Agency. The visa application process is very intrusive.

    They have to produce evidence of family and professional circumstances, including employment and address, evidence of funds, including at least three months of bank statements, and evidence of the purpose of the visit. These details are then actively checked out by the Visa Department.

    If they had told the story to the visa section they told to Russia Today, that they were freelance traders in fitness products wanting to visit Salisbury Cathedral, they would have been refused a visa as being candidates for overstaying. They would have been judged not to have sufficiently stable employment in Russia to ensure they would return.

    So what story did Petrov and Boshirov give on their visa application, why were they given a visa, and what kind of visa? And why do the British authorities not want us to know the answer to these questions?

    Which brings us to the claims of neo-conservative propaganda website Bellingcat. They claim together with the Russian Insider website to have obtained documentary evidence that Petrov and Boshirov’s passports were of a series issued only to Russian spies, and that their applications listed GRU headquarters as their address.

    There are some problems with Bellingcat’s analysis. The first is that they also quote Russian website fontanka.ru as a source, but fontanka.ru actually say the precise opposite of what Bellingcat claim – that the passport number series is indeed a civilian one and civilians do have passports in that series..

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    Fontanka also state it is not unusual for the two to have close passport numbers – it merely means they applied together. On other points, fontanka.ru do confirm Bellingcat’s account of another suspected GRU officer having serial numbers close to those of Boshirov and Petrov.

    But there is a bigger question of the authenticity of the documents themselves. Fontanka.ru is a blind alley – they are not the source of the documents, just commenting on them, and Bellingcat are just attempting the old trick of setting up a circular “confirmation”.

    Russian Insider is neither Russian nor an Insider. Its name is a false claim and it consists of a combination of western “experts” writing on Russia, and reprints from the Russian media. It has no track record of inside access to Russian government secrets or documents, and nor does Bellingcat.

    What Bellingcat does have is a track record of shilling for the security services. Bellingcat claims its purpose is to clear up fake news, yet has been entirely opaque about the real source of its so-called documents.

    MI6 have almost 40 officers in Russia, running hundreds of agents. The CIA has a multiple of that. They pool their information. Both the UK and US have large visa sections whose major function is the analysis of Russian passports, their types and numbers and what they tell about the individual.

    We are to believe that Boshirov and Petrov were GRU agents whose identity was plainly obvious from their passports, who had no believable cover identities, but that neither the visa department nor MI6 (which two cooperate closely and all the time) knew they were giving visas to GRU agents. Yet this information was readily available to Bellingcat?

    I do not know if the two are agents or just tourists. But the claimed evidence they were agents is, if genuine, so obvious that the two would have been under close surveillance throughout their stay in the UK. If the official story is true, then the failures of the UK visa department and MI6 are abject and shameful. As is the failure to take simple precautions for the Skripals’ security, like the inexplicable absence of CCTV covering the house of Sergei Skripal, an important ex-agent and defector supposedly under British protection.

    A further thought. We are informed that Boshirov and Petrov left a trace of novichok in their hotel bedroom. How likely is it, really, that, the day before the professional assassination attempt, which involved handling an agent with which any contact could kill you, Boshirov and Petrov would prepare, not by resting, but by an all night drugs and sex session? Would you really not want the steadiest possible hand the next day? Would you really invite a prostitute into the room with the novichok perfume in it, and behave in a way that led to complaints and could have brought you to official notice?

    Is it not astonishing that nobody in the corporate and state media has written that this behaviour is at all unlikely, while scores of “journalists” have written that visiting Salisbury as a tourist, and returning the next day because the visit was ruined by snow, would be highly unlikely?
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    It's not as simple as us and them, Brits and Russians.


    I smell a tactical splitting force at work. Someone is trying to shatter the solidarity of the security services around Putin.


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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I smell a tactical splitting force at work. Someone is trying to shatter the solidarity of the security services around Putin.
    A similar thought had crossed my mind too.

    There is definitely a hand at work behind the scenes here that could, indeed, most certainly be rogue and have originated from a Russian agency source, and, actively sponsored by homeland (meaning UK, French, German or US) agencies.

    The willing patsy scenario is most certainly not beyond the bounds of possibility, at all. An anti-Putin faction within their security and social infrastructure would have something to gain from trying to pin this on Russian state 'orders' and undermine his (Putin's) authority and credibility.

    Knowing the past activities of the British intelligence set-up and US equivalent CIA practices in pulling off successful government takeovers (revisit the shadow state coup d'etat in Ukraine, for example) then, yes, not an unreasonable supposition.

    Much like yourself, I too am guessing.....
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    Before I share Craig Murray’s latest findings on the photographic anomalies present in the images of Boshirov being disseminated by the mainstream media I did want to share this information contained in the Wikileaks Global Intelligence Files.

    Links are provided here for you so you can see for yourself the intelligence doing the rounds back in 2010 when Sergei Skripal and 3 other Russians were traded. The original research for Stratfor appears to have been conducted by an employee named Sean Noonan working as a tactical analyst.

    Here’s how Wikileaks (accurately) describes Stratfor in the lead paragraph on that page:

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    Sean Noonan in his email on or around Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:58:51 to other colleagues (including CEO George Friedman) within Stratfor provides, below, these pieces of background information on Sergei Skripal shortly before forwarding this on through the hierarchy within Stratfor to become a formal insight request. (Insight teams are responsible for delivering intelligence to the rest of the business, that enable their teams to make evidence-based decisions. - my emphasis)
    (…)"..Below is a load of open-source information on the four Russians who were
    pardoned by Moscow and sent to Austria-UK-US. I would appreciate if you
    could ask sources with access to information in US and Russian governments
    about these four. I'm happy to reword these questions for particular
    sources upon request or answer any other questions you may have:

    1. Any more details on the information allegedly passed by Zaporozhsky
    (SVR Colonel) to the US? Many reports say he spied for them, but he lived
    fairly publicly in the US and returned to Moscow voluntarily.

    2. What about Skripal (GRU colonel)? It's said that he exposed GRU
    officers or agents in the West, but it seems like he would have more
    access to GRU and military information within Russia. Can we find out
    anymore about what information was passed?


    3. Did Sutyagin knowingly pass information to a foreign intelligence
    service? Was he trying to make money on the side, without realizing who
    he was working for?

    4. Would any of the four have access to information on Russia's nuclear
    programs, materials, etc that would have interested the US or UK?
    (…)
    ...and further along into the email, the following:
    (...) "Sergei Skripal, former GRU colonel
    -charged in 2004
    -Worked for GRU in 1990s and retired in 1999, but allegedly continued to
    pass information to MI6 from 1995-2004. He served in the army in
    mid-1990s, and then presumably moved to a higher position in GRU. The
    information that came after 1999 allegedly was acquired through his
    former colleagues
    -Allegedly paid about $100,000 by MI6 over time that was put in a
    Spanish bank account.
    -"Skripal had received the secret information that he reported to the
    British services from former colleagues after leaving the military," the
    FSB said in a release at the time of his trial in 2006. The Russian
    daily Izvestia said at that time that Skripal passed the identities of
    "dozens of his former colleagues operating in Europe under cover, in
    particular, their secret meeting venues, addresses and passwords."
    -Jailed in 2006 for 13 years. He admitted his guilt, so given a shorter
    sentence than 15 years max.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4775131.stm
    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060809/52428496.html
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle604149.ece (...)"
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    ADDENDUM | For consistency and chronological purposes here's the Guardian UK story that also ran in 2010 covering the debrief, here - below - followed by the internal Stratfor correspondence/record relating to this:
    • British security services debrief two Russians freed in spy swap
    Sergei Skripal and Igor Sutyagin questioned by MI5 and MI6 officers at secret location near London
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sians-spy-swap
    Stratfor record
    US/RUSSIA/UK/CT- British security services debrief two Russians freed in spy swap
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    From Craig Murray on September 27th, identifying the obvious flaws in the imagery disseminated by the British mainstream press:

    "...Chepiga has a narrower mouth compared to the distance between the pupils than the two photos of “Boshirov”, and that is measured on the same plane. The difference is 100-80 compared to 100-88. It is a ratio that can be changed by facial expression, but this does not seem to be the case here."

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    “Boshirov” is probably not “Chepiga”. But he is also not “Boshirov”.

    27 Sep, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

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    UPDATE: The Kommersant Evidence

    Kommersant publishes interviews with people from Chepiga’s home village.

    The article makes clear he has not been seen there for many years. It states that opinions differ on whether Chepiga is Boshirov. One woman says she recognised Boshirov as Chepiga when he appeared on TV, especially the dark eyes, though she had not seen him since school. Another woman states it is not Chepiga as when she last saw him ten years ago he was already pretty bald, and he has a more open face, although the eyes are similarly brown.

    Naturally mainstream media journalists are tweeting and publishing the man’s evidence and leaving out the woman’s evidence.

    But the Kommersant article gives them a bigger challenge. Kommersant is owned by close Putin political ally, Putin’s former student flatmate, Chariman of Gazprominvestholdings and the UK’s richest resident, Alisher Usmanov. That Russia’s most authoritative paper, with ownership very close to Putin, is printing such open and honest reporting rather belies the “Russia is a dictatorship” narrative. And unlike the Guardian and BBC websites, on Kommersant website ordinary Russians can post freely their views on the case, and are.

    One thing this does stand up is that Chepiga definitely exists.

    The evidence mounts that Russia is not telling the truth about “Boshirov” and “Petrov”. If those were real identities, they would have been substantiated in depth by now. As we know of Yulia Skripal’s boyfriend, cat, cousin and grandmother, real depth on the lives and milieu of “Boshirov” and “Petrov” would be got out. It is plainly in the interests of Russia’s state and its oligarchy to establish that they truly exist, and concern for the privacy of individuals would be outweighed by that. The rights of the individual are not prioritised over the state interest in Russia.

    But equally the identification of “Boshirov” with “Colonel Chepiga” is a nonsense.

    The problem is with Bellingcat’s methodology. They did not start with any prior intelligence that “Chepiga” is “Boshirov”. They rather allegedly searched databases of GRU operatives of about the right age, then trawled photos in yearbooks of them until they found one that looked a bit like “Boshirov”. And guess what? It looks a bit like “Boshirov”. If you ignore the substantially different skull shape and nose.

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    Only the picture on the left is Chepiga. The two on the right are from “Boshirov’s” Russian passport application file, and the photo of “Boshirov” issued by Scotland Yard. Like almost the entire internet, I assumed both black and white photos were from Chepiga’s files, and was willing to admit the identification of Chepiga with “Boshirov” as valid.

    But once you understand – as Bellingcat confirm if you read it closely – that only the photo on the left is Chepiga, you start to ask questions.

    The two guys on the right and the centre are undoubtedly the same person. But is the guy on the left the same, but younger?

    Betaface.com, which runs industry standard software, gives the faces an 83% similarity, putting the probability of them being the same person at 2.8%.

    By comparison it gives me a 72% identity with Chepiga and a 2.1% chance of being him.

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    There is a superficial resemblance. But if you take the standard ratios used for facial recognition, you get a very different story. If you draw a line between the centre of the pupils of the two guys centre and right, and then take a perpendicular from that line to the tip of the nose, you get a key ratio. The two on the right both have a ratio of 100:75, which is unsurprising since they are the same person. The one on the left has a ratio of 100:68, which is very different.

    To put that more simply, his nose is much shorter, and less certainly his eyes are further apart.

    It is possible this could happen in photos but it still be the same person. The head would have to be tilted backward or forward at quite a sharp angle to alter these ratios, which does not seem to be the case. The camera could be positioned substantially above or below the subject, again not apparently the case. And the photo could be resized with height and width ratios changed. That would hard to detect.

    But the three white dots across the bottom of the nose are particularly compelling (the middle one largely obscured by a red dot in the Chepiga photo). They illustrate that Chepiga has a snub nose and Boshirov something of a hook. Again, the software is reinforcing what they eye can plainly see.

    However, there are also other ratios that are different. Chepiga has a narrower mouth compared to the distance between the pupils than the two photos of “Boshirov”, and that is measured on the same plane. The difference is 100-80 compared to 100-88. It is a ratio that can be changed by facial expression, but this does not seem to be the case here.

    Professor Dame Sue Black of the University of Dundee is the world’s leading expert in facial forensic reconstruction. I once spent a fascinating lunch sitting next to her, while I was Rector. I shall contact her for her view on whether the guy on the left is the same person, and if she is kind enough to give me an opinion, I shall pass it on to you unadulterated.

    This website is less definitive, but gives a nice clear result, and you can repeat it yourself without having to subscribe (unlike Betaface.com).

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    Continued....

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...-not-boshirov/

    “Boshirov” is probably not “Chepiga”. But he is also not “Boshirov”.

    27 Sep, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

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    Again for comparison, I tried two photos of myself 12 years apart and got “from nearly the same person”.

    It is worth repeating that the only evidence that Chepiga is Boshirov offered by Bellingcat is this photo. The rest of their article simply attempts to establish Chepiga’s career.

    This is gross hypocrisy by Bellingcat, who have argued that scores of photos of White Helmets being Jihadi fighters are not valid evidence because you cannot safely recognise faces from photographs.

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    Yet Higgins now claims his facial identification of Chepiga as Boshirov as “definitive” and “conclusive”, despite the absence of moles, scars and blemishes.

    Higgins stands exposed as a quite disgusting hypocrite. Let me go further. I do not believe that Higgins did not take the elementary step of running facial recognition technology over the photos, and I believe he is hiding the results from you. Is it not also astonishing that the mainstream media have not done this simple test?

    The bulk of the Bellingcat article is just trying to prove the reality of the existence of Chepiga. This is hard to evaluate, but as the evidence to link him to “Boshirov” is non-existent, is a different argument. Having set out to find a GRU officer of the same age who looks a bit like “Boshirov”, they trumpet repeatedly the fact that Chepiga is about the same age as evidence, in a crass display of circular argument.

    This unofficial website does indeed name Chepiga as a Hero of the Russian Federation and recipient of 20 awards, as Bellingcat claims.

    But it is impossible to know if it is authentic, and by contrast there is no Chepiga on the official list of Heroes of the Russian Federation, for the stated 2014 or for any other year, which Bellingcat fail to mention. Their other documents and anonymous sources are unverifiable.

    The photo of the military school honours arch, with Chepiga added right at the end and not quite in line, looks to me very suspect. My surmise so far would be that most likely Bellingcat’s source of supply is Ukrainian, and trying to tie the Skripal affair into the Ukrainian civil war via Chepiga.

    My view of the most likely explanation on presently available evidence is this:
    1. Boshirov is not Boshirov, and the Russian Government are lying.
    2. Boshirov is not Chepiga, and Bellingcat are lying.
    3. The whole Skripal novichok story still does not hang together, and the British government are lying.
    I will continue to form my opinions as further evidence becomes available.

    UPDATE Incredibly, at 13.15 on 27 September the BBC TV News ran the story showing only the two photos of “Boshirov”, which of course are the same person, and not showing the photo of Chepiga at all!

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    Craig Murray continues with some really very interesting background into this shadowy world --- as he acknowledges at the end of this blog entry --- and an admitted advertorial to two of his books, which I have yet to acquire.

    "I have this information from an impeccable Whitehall source, who told me there is a concern in the security services that runs like this.
    They genuinely believe Boshirov and Petrov are GRU agents and the would-be assassins. (I judge that my source themself believes the security services really do think this). Bellingcat, while they are sometimes fed security service material, did not in fact get fed the Chepiga material by the CIA or MI6, whether or not through a cutout. The security services are worried the Chepiga ID may be a blind alley fed to Bellingcat’s sources by the FSB. If the UK government endorses it, this could be followed by the Russians producing Chepiga and apparently discrediting the entire British narrative..."
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    Russia has its GRU in addition to its KGB (now FSB and SVR). The UK has its Defence Intelligence in addition to its MI6 and GCHQ. Much less high profile, Defence Intelligence is more analytical than operative – as indeed is GRU, Skripal was an analyst.

    Defence Intelligence had its proudest modern moment when it refused to endorse MI6’s pack of lies on Iraqi WMD, and earned the hatred of MI6 and of Blair and Straw as a result. This was confirmed by the Chilcot report which stated that MI6 even actually hid some of the intelligence material from the Defence Intelligence Service to prevent their rubbishing it.

    I hope you will forgive me for pointing out that the opposition of the Defence Intelligence to the Blair Dirty Dossier was first revealed in my memoir Murder in Samarkand, a decade before the Chilcot report confirmed it.

    It was one of the many reasons Straw attempted to block publication, and one of the many things revealed in my memoir – including of course the UK’s complicity in torture and extraordinary rendition – which the government claimed to be untrue, but in due course has been proved to be 100% accurate. As it should be, as Murder in Samarkand only recounts things I personally witnessed first hand.

    As this is the last day of Banned Books Week, I hope you might further forgive me (and I know I am pushing it) if I mention my prequel to Murder in Samarkand, The Catholic Orangemen of Togo. I view it as a much better book, and I was bitterly disappointed when my publisher, who had bravely defied the government lawyers over Murder in Samarkand, backed down and pulled the publication of The Catholic Orangemen due to libel threats from mercenary commander Tim Spicer.

    It thus became a Banned Book. I privately printed and sold 1,000 copies, and as technology advanced more recently made it available on print on demand. (I know, Amazon…) But it remains a real regret it has reached so few people. You are welcome to download it entirely free here.

    Anyway, after that lengthy advertorial let me get back to the DIS. DIS remain rather more attached to the truth than MI6, so when Defence Minister Gavin Williamson tweeted out a thrilled endorsement of Bellingcat’s work on Colonel Chepiga, DIS urgently advised that he delete it. Which he did.

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    Which is not to say DIS are sure it is not Chepiga; rather they believe – as would anyone with half a brain – that the Bellingcat photo falls a long way short of proof.

    The British security services have been unable to stand up the ID with facial recognition technology. The experts are describing the Boshirov/Chepiga identification as “possible”.

    I have this information from an impeccable Whitehall source, who told me there is a concern in the security services that runs like this. They genuinely believe Boshirov and Petrov are GRU agents and the would-be assassins. (I judge that my source themself believes the security services really do think this). Bellingcat, while they are sometimes fed security service material, did not in fact get fed the Chepiga material by the CIA or MI6, whether or not through a cutout. The security services are worried the Chepiga ID may be a blind alley fed to Bellingcat’s sources by the FSB. If the UK government endorses it, this could be followed by the Russians producing Chepiga and apparently discrediting the entire British narrative.

    Hence the fact no charge has been laid against Chepiga, and the charges are still in the name of “Boshirov”, plus the fact that no British minister or official has named Chepiga, with only the fool Williamson stepping out of line and being slapped down.

    Please note I am not endorsing the views and beliefs of the British intelligence services; I am reporting them.

    Russia is fascinating at the moment.

    Komsomolskaya Pravda reports Ministry of Interior identification experts unofficially endorsing the Chepiga/Boshirov identity. Now there is no way these experts in the Ministry of the Interior – who would not be hard for the authorities to single out – would have done that for Komsomolskaya Pravda without an official nod. Either the Russians are indeed egging on the British into a false identification, or some inter-agency rivalry is afoot in Russia. This follows on the very open report in Kommersant – which is very close to Putin – that opinion was divided in Chepiga’s home village.

    None of which brings us an awful lot closer to the truth of what happened in Salisbury, which I suspect is a great deal more complicated than any official narrative. But it is a fascinating peek into a shadowy world most people never see inside, with which I was once familiar.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    As the Wikileaks Global Intelligence Files become an increasingly fascinating trove I did want to provide a tag here, just for the record, to an earlier post on the thread (Post #23) which cited Pablo Miller, or rather "Paul", also known as Antonio Alvares de Idalgo as a handler to Sergei Skripal.

    That Skripal received money placed into a Spanish Bank account would then seem to cement this possibility as very likely to be good intelligence, and an actual fact.

    This would also seem to have been known within intelligence circles since at least 2007 and in light of the glare of publicity surrounding this whole peculiar saga, obviously surfacing some 11 years or so later.

    Here's the Stratfor information:

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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    with thanks to Paul Craig Roberts:

    "Everything Is A Hoax

    Paul Craig Roberts

    An Israeli expert on terrorism and covert assassination procedures explains that the alleged Russian GRU attack on the Skripals with a supposedly deadly nerve agent is a completely obvious hoax to anyone who knows anything at all. https://russia-insider.com/en/skripa...k-case/ri24912 [1]

    The official story, says the expert, is “stupidity on stupidity.”

    I agree with him.

    The question is: Why did the British government think that they could get away with such an obvious hoax? The answer is that the people in Western countries don’t know anything about anything. They live in a world in which their reality is a product of the propaganda fed to them by “news organizations” and Hollywood movies. They only receive controlled explanations. Therefore, they know nothing about how anything really functions. Read the account by the Israeli expert to understand the vast difference between the British government’s hoax and the reality of how an assassination is conducted.

    The Israeli expert got me to wondering why the British government thought anyone would fall for such a transparently false story. Having just read David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth’s new book, 9/11 Unmasked, and David Ray Griffin’s 2017 book, Bush and Cheney: How They Runed America and the World, the answer became obvious. The British government had watched the idiot Western populations fall for the official 9/11 conspiracy story in which a few Saudi Arabians, who could not fly airplanes and without the support of any intelligence agency, caused the entire security apparatus ot the United States to fail utterly, and no one was held responsible for the total failure. The British government concluded that anyone who could possibly believe such an obviously false story would believe anything."

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...-a-hoax/print/

    No sincere security/military expert would entertain this as a Russian state hit.

    As has been alluded to in this thread, Skripal had connections to the Steele Dossier.

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