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    All I will say is..

    "Porton Down" - what a place to house a defected double agent !

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    To my mind, given that the formula for this class of poison is known, there is no reason to assume without doubt that it originated in Russia. It is very possible that an establishment such as Porton Down would synthesise it themselves for research and testing. After all you need to keep tabs on your opponents weapons capabilities. I do not think such chemicals are like fissile nuclear fuel, which can be analysed and identified down to the facility that produced it due to the profile of trace contaminants that is like a fingerprint. In the case of a molecule, you cannot say who produced it.

    From RT - who's license to broadcast in the UK is likely to be revoked:

    Quote Ex-MI5 agent Annie Machon has dismissed the PM's claims that the origin of the nerve agent used to attack former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal is indicative of an attack from the Kremlin. She explained why to RT’S BIll Dodd.
    The former MI5 intelligence officer ignored calls from politicians to boycott the TV network in the midst of the Skripal scandal, sitting down with RT to discuss the latest in the Salisbury case. While many pointed the finger at Moscow after it was alleged that the weapon was a military-grade agent developed in Russia, Machon raised a question that many seem to have forgotten to ask: Where’s the motive?
    “From the very start of this story… they need to work out what the motive was,” she said. “Skripal was a guy who had been caught by the Russians. He’d been tried and convicted, sent to prison, and then released and pardoned by the Russians, and sent back to the UK.
    “He had been debriefed – picked clean, intelligence-wise, both by the Russians… and by MI6 when he came to live in the UK. So what is the motive there?” she asked.
    The ex-MI5 officer, who resigned in 1996 to blow the whistle on the incompetence and crimes of spies, continued to explain to Dodd that – just because the chemical weapon was supposedly developed in Russia – it does not necessarily mean the attack was state-sanctioned.
    (Chemical) agents can be developed and used by governments all over the world,” she said. “If this Novichok agent was developed in Russia, it doesn’t mean it’s stayed in Russia - [any more than] any of the other agents developed by Germany, the USA, or the UK have stayed in their own countries."
    “The fact that the… UK facility for identifying those agents was able to identify this very quickly would indicate that they know exactly what this nerve agent is, which means that they have the chemical formula for it too. So, who knows where it came from?
    “It might have been developed in Russia, but it doesn't mean that is state-sanctioned by Russia. It's a damaging conflation in a particularly sensitive diplomatic time."
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    Poisioned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03...-campaign.html

    More on this strange story. I've sub-edited a little and emboldened where I think some of the most important observations and comments have been made.

    Here's an extract from the article:

    The former British ambassador Craig Murray suspects a different motive and culprit:

    Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg - 10:21 AM - 8 Mar 2018

    "Russophobia is extremely profitable to the armaments, security and spying industries and Russophobia reinforces intellectually challenged voters in their Tory loyalty. Ramping Russophobia is the most convincing motive for the Skripal attack."

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Poisioned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign

    On Sunday a former British-Russian double agent and his daughter were seriously injured in a mysterious incident in Salisbury, England. The British government says that both were hurt due to "exposure to a nerve agent". Speculative media reports talk of Sarin and VX, two deadly nerve-agents used in military chemical weapons. Anonymous officials strongly hint that 'Russia did it'.

    New reports though point to a deep connection between the case and the anti-Trump/anti-Russia propaganda drive run by the Obama administration and the Hillary Clinton election campaign.

    Sergei Skripal once was a colonel in a Russian military intelligence service. In the early 1990s he was recruited by the MI6 agent Pablo Miller. He continued to spy for the Brits after his 1999 retirement. The Russian FSB claims that the British MI6 paid him $100,000 for his service. At that time a Russian officer would only make a few hundred bucks per month. Skripal was finally uncovered in 2004 and two years later convicted for spying for Britain.

    He was sentenced to 18 years and in 2010 he and other agents ware exchanged in a large spy swap between the United States and Russia. Skripal was granted refuge in Britain and has since lived openly under his own name in Salisbury. His wife and his son died over the last years of natural causes. The only near relative he has left is his daughter who continued to live in Russia.

    Last week his daughter flew to Britain and met him in Salisbury. On Sunday they went to a pub and a restaurant. At some point they were poisoned or poisoned themselves. They collapsed on a public bench and are now in intensive care. A policeman on the scene was also seriously effected.

    Authorities have declined to name the substance to which the pair is suspected to have been exposed, but:

    Local media had on Monday reported the substance found at the scene to be similar to fentanyl: a lethally strong opioid available even on Salisbury's soporific streets.

    The British government is hinting at Russian involvement:
    The attempted murder of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, using a nerve agent was a "brazen and reckless" act, [home secretary] Amber Rudd has said.

    Mr Skripal and his daughter are still critically ill after being found collapsed on a bench in Salisbury city centre on Sunday.

    ...
    Ms Rudd told MPs it was an "outrageous crime", adding that the government would "act without hesitation as the facts become clearer".

    She refused to speculate on whether the Russian state might have been involved in the attack, saying the police investigation should be based on "facts, not rumour".


    (Well quite! - Tintin Q)

    While the British government is preparing the facts as it needs them, let us ask the ever important question of motive.

    It was not Russian vengeance for Skripal's earlier spying. He had been in Russian jails for four years and lived openly in Salisbury for eight. There was plenty of time to off him. Russia certainly does not need any more anti-Russian propaganda in "western" media. If a Russian service would want to kill someone it would do so without making such noise.

    The former British ambassador Craig Murray suspects a different motive and culprit:
    Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg - 10:21 AM - 8 Mar 2018

    Russophobia is extremely profitable to the armaments, security and spying industries and Russophobia reinforces intellectually challenged voters in their Tory loyalty. Ramping Russophobia is the most convincing motive for the Skripal attack.
    Ambassador Murray also points out that Salisbury, where the incident took place, is just 8 miles away from Porton Down, a chemical weapon test site run by the British government. As the BBC noted in a report about the place:

    ... chemical agents such as VX and mustard gas are still manufactured on site ...

    I believe that Craig Murray is wrong. Russophobia can be stoked without attempting to publicly kill a retired spy and his daughter.

    More likely motives can be found in the tight connection to another important affair.

    The British Telegraph reports today:

    A security consultant who has worked for the company that compiled the controversial dossier on Donald Trump was close to the Russian double agent poisoned last weekend, it has been claimed.

    The consultant, who The Telegraph is declining to identify, lived close to Col Skripal and is understood to have known him for some time.

    ...
    The Telegraph understands that Col Skripal moved to Salisbury in 2010 in a spy swap and became close to a security consultant employed by Christopher Steele, who compiled the Trump dossier.

    The British security consultant, according to a LinkedIn social network account that was removed from the internet in the past few days, is also based in Salisbury.

    On the same LinkedIn account, the man listed consultancy work with Orbis Business Intelligence, according to reports.


    Meduza named the man the Telegraph declines to identify as:

    Pablo Miller, who at the time was posing as Antonio Alvarez de Hidalgo and working in Britain’s embassy in Tallinn. Russia’s Federal Security Service says Miller was actually an undercover MI6 agent tasked with recruiting Russians.

    Orbis is Christopher Steele's company which was paid by the Clinton campaign to make up or find 'dirt' about Trump.

    Sergei Skripal was an agent Steele himself was likely (my italics - TQ) involved with:

    Steele had spent more than twenty years in M.I.6, most of it focussing on Russia. For three years, in the nineties, he spied in Moscow under diplomatic cover. Between 2006 and 2009, he ran the service’s Russia desk, at its headquarters, in London. He was fluent in Russian, and widely considered to be an expert on the country.

    Steele was an MI6 undercover agent in Moscow around the time when Skripal was recruited and handed over Russian secrets to the MI6. He also ran the MI6 Russia desk so anything about Skripal will have passed through him. It is very likely that they personally knew each other. Pablo Miller, who worked for Steele's private company, lived in the same town as Skripal and they seems to have been friends since Miller had recruited him. Miller or someone else attempted to cover up the connection to Steele by editing his LinkedIn entry.

    Here are some questions:

    • Did Skripal help Steele to make up the "dossier" about Trump?
    • Were Skripal's old connections used to contact other people in Russia to ask about Trump dirt?
    • Did Skripal threaten to talk about this?

    If there is a connection between the dossier and Skripal, which seems very likely to me, then there are a number of people and organizations with potential motives to kill him. Lots of shady folks and officials on both sides of the Atlantic were involved in creating and running the anti-Trump/anti-Russia campaign.

    There are several investigations and some very dirty laundry might one day come to light. Removing Skripal while putting the blame on Russia looks like a convenient way to get rid of a potential witness.

    Update: Steele's company issued a weak denial of Skripal's involvement in the dossier:

    Sources close to Orbis, the business intelligence firm run by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, who was behind a dossier of compromising allegations against Donald Trump, said Mr Skripal did not contribute to the file. But they could not say whether Mr Skripal was involved in different investigations into the US President for other interested parties.

    The most curious point in the affair though is the visit of the daughter. She had just come from Moscow to visit her lonely father when both were poisoned in a rather sensational way. There must be some reason why she was involved in this.

    • Did she have a bad message for him?
    • Did they both decide that suicide was the only way out?
    • Was locally bought Fentanyl involved as the local press had reported?

    or

    • Was the lonely old man Sergej Skripal preparing to go back to his homeland Russia?
    • Did he offer a some kind of "gift" as apology to the Russian government that his trusted daughter would take to Moscow?
    • Did someone find out and stop the transfer?

    The above questions are all highly speculative. But the connection between Steele and Skripal is way too deep to be irrelevant here. It certainly deserves more digging.

    Unfortunately it is likely that the British government, and its U.S. cousin, will come up with some "blame Russia" story for the gullible people and leave it at that. That story will involve some "brazen and reckless" Russian plot and an "outrageous" attempt by Putin himself to publicly kill a friend of Britain with some with highly dangerous weapon of mass destruction. This will then be used to throw up new tensions, to put more sanctions on Russia and to sell more weapons.

    That official story though is unlikely to be the true one.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    Skripal case: Russia’s response



    Published on 13 Mar 2018
    Moscow will not respond to the British request about a clandestine Soviet
    chemical weapon allegedly used in an ex-double agent’s poisoning until a
    sample of the agent is provided, the Russian foreign minister says


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    Counter-terror police investigate 'unexplained' death
    33 minutes ago

    Counter-terror police are leading an investigation into the "unexplained" death of a
    man in London.He is believed to be Russian businessman Nikolai Glushkov, who
    claimed political asylum in the UK after being convicted of fraud. The Metropolitan
    Police said its specialist unit was looking into it "as a precaution because of
    associations that the man is believed to have had".There was no evidence linking
    the death to the incidents in Salisbury, it said.In a statement, it said the man in his
    60s had been found at a residential address in New Malden on Monday night.
    The man has been identified, but not formally. However, next of kin have been
    informed.

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    Some more here from Information clearing house.


    Finian Cunningham
    March 12, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - The mysterious apparent murder bid on an ex-Russian spy in Britain has taken on a wider European dimension.

    Predictably, the incident was used to whip up anti-Russian claims in the British media. But, in addition, the European Union soon came under pressure to show “solidarity” with Britain in the supposed Russian assault on its sovereignty.

    Former British officials were reported bemoaning the lack of solidarity from EU states over the alleged Russian violation on British soil. The EU then responded with an obligatory statement of “solidarity” with Britain, with the tacit acceptance of Russian malfeasance at play.

    The allegations of Russian state involvement in the apparent lethal poisoning of exiled Kremlin agent Sergei Skripal in England last Sunday have been leveled with deplorable disregard for due legal process.

    Within hours of the incident – which saw 66-year-old Skripal and his adult daughter rushed to intensive hospital care – British media were speculating that Russian agents had carried out a revenge assassination attempt.

    Skripal was exiled from Russia in 2010 after being convicted for treason as a double agent for Britain’s foreign intelligence service MI6. He was living in the southern English town of Salisbury, where he was found paralyzed in a public park along with his 33-year-old daughter.

    British counter-terrorism officers have disclosed that the pair were victims of a toxic nerve agent attack, without identifying the chemical used. They have claimed that the attacker or attackers must have been state-sponsored to carry out such a lethal operation. British police have not yet specified any particular agency for the attack, but as noted the British media quickly jumped to reckless speculation of Russian involvement. The speculation has been fueled by government ministers like Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson using innuendo.

    Russia’s Foreign Ministry dismissed the allegations of Moscow’s involvement as “more irresponsible Russophobia”.

    The notion that Russia would carry out a risky operation on the eve of its presidential elections this month in order to avenge a disgraced former spy who had been living openly in England for the past eight years defies credibility. It’s frankly absurd given the already heightened anti-Russia hysteria in the Western media that the Kremlin would even contemplate such a scheme.

    Nevertheless, the evidence does point to an assassination attempt on Skripal using a military-grade chemical weapon. Senior British toxicologist Dr Alistair Hay told Radio Free Europe this week that the chemical substance used in the attack was most likely one of the organophosphate poisons, such as soman or tabun, which are related to sarin and VX. These are nerve agents that can kill from exposure of human skin to a single droplet.

    Hay, who is an advisor to the British government on chemical warfare agents, cautioned against rushing to accusations against Russia. “In my view, it’s much, much too early to point a finger at anybody at this stage,” said the expert.

    All that the internationally respected toxicologist would venture to say is that the nature of the attack had “military capability” because of the extreme lethality of the substances involved.

    If we assume that Russia was not involved – which is a fair assumption given the above reasoning – then the question is: what state agency could have carried it out? For what objective?

    In particular, focus is drawn here to agencies which are seeking to sabotage Europe-wide relations with Russia. As noted above, one of the ramifications from the anti-Russian allegations over the poisoning incident was prompt pressure on the EU to show a tough response towards Moscow.

    Former British ambassador to Russia, Sir Tony Brenton, reportedly accused the rest of Europe of lacking in support for Britain.

    “The European Union will once again fail to help the UK in its fight against Russia after a former Russian spy was allegedly poisoned in Salisbury, according to former ambassador Sir Tony Brenton,” reported the Daily Express.

    Another former British foreign office advisor claimed that because of the EU’s bitter wrangling with Britain over the Brexit “the Kremlin was taking advantage of the UK’s lack of allies in the US and EU, and its inability to do much about the Skripal case”.

    This logic implicating Russia is unhinged. But the telling aspect is the seeming intended effect of embroiling Europe in a wider antagonistic response to Moscow.

    Admittedly, the following discussion here is speculative. But it’s worth a posit.

    Last week, the US-led political campaign to scupper the Russia-EU Nord Stream 2 project was given renewed impetus.



    The $11 billion, 1,200-kilometer gas delivery pipeline is nearing completion next year.

    Foreign ministers from Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia were in Washington DC to meet with US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on the specific subject of the Nord Stream 2, and how it might be cancelled, reported Voice of America.

    Poland and the Baltic states are advocating for US supply of gas to replace the traditional European source from Russia. The issue is of huge strategic importance. US President Trump has been vocal in his support for the European states switching to American gas exports, even though that would work out much more expensive for European consumers.

    The Nord Stream 2 project is a partnership between Russian state-owned Gazprom and five private energy companies from Britain, Germany, France and Netherlands.

    But the project has been buffeted by the political repercussions over allegations against Russia concerning Ukraine, Crimea and purported “interference” in US and European elections.

    The German and Austrian governments are strong backers of the new gas network with Russia. Last week, Austrian President Sebastian Kurz was in Moscow where he met with Vladimir Putin and expressed his support for the Nord Stream 2.

    However, apart from Poland and the Baltic states which are marked by vehement anti-Russian ideological politics, there are also elements with the EU administration which are similarly opposed to the Nord Stream supply. It is claimed, they say, that such an arrangement will give too much leverage to Moscow over European affairs. Such advocates tend to be pro-NATO and pro-Washington.

    The point is that the campaign to undermine the Russian-EU gas partnership has come with renewed impetus – as seen in the delegation last week to Washington by the Polish and Baltic government ministers. Of course, they are pushing at an open door. American state interests are wedded to the objective of knocking out Russia as Europe’s gas supplier.

    Now then, the timing of an assassination bid in England which is framed on Russia comes at a convenient moment in the strategic tussle over Europe’s global energy market. It seems significant that pressure is being brought to bear on the EU “to get tough” on Moscow over the alleged attempted murder of the exiled Russian spy. The “get tough” response being sought could be cancellation of the Nord Stream 2 gas project.

    If that stands up as a motive for the latest attempt to cleave EU-Russian relations, then our focus on the likely perpetrators shifts to the following: American state agents, possibly working with British and Eastern European accomplices, in trying to kill Sergei Skripal and his daughter, with the purpose of blackballing Moscow.

    Finian Cunningham has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. He is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For nearly 20 years, he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organisations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48970.htm

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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    There seems to be a bigger agenda going on here , it makes no sense for the
    Russian government or intel services to do this especially now. They could have
    done this years ago . There are plenty of players in the US/west , Ukraine and
    elsewhere who would like to see Russia penalised....

    This is a very good balanced show as usual....

    CrossTalk on Sergei Skripal: 'Publicity Murder?'



    Published on 13 Mar 2018
    “It appears” and “highly likely” are the words used by UK Prime Minister Theresa
    May pinning blame on Russia for the poison attack on a former Russian intelligence
    officer turned British spy. Claims are made and threats flaunted. Of course all without evidence.
    CrossTalking with Alexander Mercouris, Charles Shoebridge, and Annie Machon.

    ==================================================

    A different take.....

    Who poisoned Sergei and Yulia Skripal? - BBC Newsnight


    Published on 13 Mar 2018
    Broadcast on 7 March 2018. It's easy to jump to conclusions about who is behind
    the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury and many people might think
    Russia is responsible. But Russia is not one single agency, nor is it synonymous
    with Vladimir Putin. Gabriel Gatehouse knows the country well and reflects now on
    the complexity within. Newsnight is the BBC's flagship news and current affairs TV
    programme - with analysis, debate, exclusives, and robust interviews.
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    We haven't had investigations of the CIA since the 1970's and after that they used the NRA to
    target both liberals and moderates in both GOP and Dem Party to ensure it wouldn't happen
    again.

    How many elections has US/CIA interfered in around the world, including Russian -- and
    Hillary in Ukraine? US/CIA actually has program (Operation Gladio) to keep right wing in play
    in nation's over which they have influence and control since WWII. How many nations where
    US troops are still camped? 76? How many US/CIA coups and uprisings, false flag activities
    around the world and domestically?

    Right wing propaganda levels continue to increase in US -- only difference between us and
    Russia is that the Russians have always known they're being lied to. Americans didn't.

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    Ex-mayor of London Ken Livingstone comments
    on UK-Russia scandal over Skripal case



    RT..Streamed live 1 hour ago..14/3/18
    Ex-mayor of London Ken Livingstone comments
    on UK-Russia scandal over Skripal case

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    Russian spy: UK to expel 23 Russian diplomats

    14/3/18

    The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused
    to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a
    former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

    Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave,
    were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

    She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister,
    and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World
    Cup later this year.Russia denies being involved in the
    attempted murder of Sergei Skripal.

    The Russian Embassy said the expulsion of 23 diplomats was
    "unacceptable, unjustified and short-sighted".Former spy Mr
    Skripal, 66, and his daughter, Yulia Skripal, 33, remain critically
    ill in hospital after being found slumped on a bench on 4 March.
    Det Sgt Nick Bailey also fell ill responding to the incident, and
    is in a serious but stable condition, but is thought to be improving

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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    I've noticed that the Beeb radio I have here to listen to has not once mentioned that Putin is facing an election this coming Sunday.

    It's screamingly obvious that 'Britain' ( probably with advice and help ) is interfering in the Russian election.

    The tingly bit, that alarms me, is that it's so fake and aggressive, yet so unlikely to swing the election fully against Putin, I expect there to be a second part of this operation yet to spring up before Sunday.

    All guesses are welcome.

    I don't have much of a clue, but I sense the likelihood of something, probably military or 'false-flag' incident.
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    Another coincidence ? I have had my suspicions that US intel and political figures
    with close ties to their UK equivalents have been asking for support in their witch
    hunt over Russiagate especially with former MI6 agent Christopher Steels dossier a
    centre piece. This attack may be part of it but when I saw that Panorama has a
    show lined up for tonight this is really suspicious how quick this was put together .......

    I find it hard to believe the Russian government did or sanctioned this with all
    that's going on. Though maybe an ex colleague or someone else were involved or
    some other reason ? But it sure helps the globalist agenda of anti Russian rhetoric
    playing out in the US and the west....





    14 Mar 2018

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    How Russia uses propaganda to discredit opponents

    A BBC Panorama investigation has revealed how the Russian state
    uses surveillance and propaganda to discredit critics of President Putin
    Opposition activists have long accused the Kremlin of using the security
    services and state-controlled TV to attack them. When BBC Panorama
    went to Russia to investigate their claims, the same tactics were used
    against their reporter John Sweeney.

    Taking On Putin - Panorama will be shown at 7.30pm on BBC One on
    Wednesday 14 March.

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    Russian spy: UK to expel 23 Russian diplomats - BBC News

    BBC News


    Published on 14 Mar 2018
    The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a
    Russian-made nerve agent was used on former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.
    Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified
    as "undeclared intelligence officers".Russia denies being involved in the attempted
    murder of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.It refused to meet Mrs
    May's midnight deadline to co-operate in the case.
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    Theresa May disgraced! Recipe for 'mysterious' nerve agent Novichok can be bought for $30 on Amazon

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    © Reuters

    The public has learnt a new Russian word: Novichok or novice, as the UK claims it is a nerve agent that poisoned former double agent Sergei Skripal. But, as with many elements of this saga, this chemical raises many questions.

    British Prime Minister Theresa May said Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by a military-grade nerve agent "Novichok," allegedly developed by Russia. She claimed this was either "a direct action" by Moscow or the result of a loss of control over "its potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent." Speaking to MPs, she even said the cabinet had given Moscow one day to provide a "credible response" to the allegations.

    The use of a military-grade secret nerve agent may sound like a James Bond movie and, as with many action dramas, there are some notable inconsistences in the plot that raise questions.

    The killer agent that is not on chemical watchdog list?
    The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) carefully describes all known types of weapons-grade chemicals, including notorious sarin and VX, as well as their properties, mechanisms of action, and possible antidotes. But oddly enough, 'Novichok' - the substance supposedly deadlier than sarin or VX - is not on the OPSW nerve agents list.

    Would you pay $30 for a secret chemical agent formula?
    'Novichok' was first disclosed to the public by a Russian chemist named Vil Mirzayanov, who claimed in a 1992 article for Moskovsky Komsomolets daily that Moscow was developing extremely potent fourth-generation chemical weapons. The article was published prior to Russia's signing of the Chemical Weapons Convention, making the timing particularly interesting.

    Mirzayanov, who defected to the US several years later, reacted to the British prime minister's accusations in a notable post on Facebook. "[May] said that 'Novichok' has been used in the assassination attempt on Skripal," Mirzayanov wrote. "Its chemical formula has been published only in my book," he said.

    His book, which allegedly contains the top-secret formula of the deadly nerve agent, is titled 'State Secrets: An Insider's Chronicle of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program.' Its paperback edition is available on Amazon and sells for just $30. If the formula is genuine, this is probably the first time a whistleblower has provided free access to a method of producing the highly poisonous weapon.

    Is Russia the only place it could come from?

    Mirzayanov also contributed to a 1995 report by the US-based Henry L. Stimson Center. The paper, which refers to the defector's 1992 piece, noted multiple security flaws at Russia's chemical weapons storage sites - a revelation unsurprising enough, given the poor state of Russian military at the time. While praising some basic security measures at the compounds, the report says: "By US standards, Russian chemical weapon storage facilities unquestionably appear vulnerable to attack from outside and theft from within."

    Nikolai Kovalev, who led Russia's security service, the FSB, from 1996 to 1998, told RIA Novosti that the likes of 'Novichok' were "stockpiled in former Soviet Union republics." Russian Senator Franz Klintsevich told the Zvezda TV Channel that the Soviet military sent the so-called "frontline packages" containing the agent to various parts of the country. "It could have been stored in any [post-Soviet] country, including Georgia and Ukraine," he noted.

    Back in 1999, it emerged that the Pentagon might gain access to one of the chemical plants that reportedly produced 'Novichok.' The New York Times reported that the US military was going to spend up to $6 million "to demilitarize the so-called Chemical Research Institute"located in the Uzbek city of Nukus. "Soviet defectors and American officials say the Nukus plant was the major research and testing site for a new class of secret, highly lethal chemical weapons called 'Novichok,' which in Russian means ''new guy,'" the piece said.

    How was it proven to have been Russia, if nerve agents can be produced anywhere?
    'Novichok' is said to be a "binary agent," meaning that it could be stored as two, less toxic chemicals. To produce the active toxic agent, the two must be mixed, and be allowed to react. This makes the ingredients easier to transport, as they only become fully toxic when mixed.

    Anton Utkin, a Russian chemist who worked as a UN inspector in Iraq and developed technologies to destroy Russia's chemical weapons, says it's unclear "how they [Britain] could establish that it was produced in Russia." He said that anyone familiar with the technology could have produced it. "You can't find out who manufactured the chemical weapon - the content of the substance will be fully identical while using the same method," he said. "There is no way to establish with full accuracy that a chemical comes from this or that country."

    What about the chemical watchdog confirming Russia destroyed its stockpiles?
    In autumn last year, the OPCW confirmed that Moscow - a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention - had completely destroyed its stockpiles. The organization's inspection teams verified the destruction at seven chemical weapons destruction facilities in Russia, and, on September 27, 2017, the last of these facilities officially ceased its operations. The six other facilities were closed between 2005 and 2015.

    "The completion of the verified destruction of Russia's chemical weapons program is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention," the organization's Head Ambassador Ahmet Uzumcu said at the time. He praised countries that assisted Russia with its destruction program, as well as OPCW staff who verified the destruction.

    Timing is everything?
    Russian officials say the timing of the allegations is particularly notable. "Presidential elections are looming in Russia, and the country is accused of committing every mortal sin," Sergey Stepashin, former FSB director, told Interfax. "Tell me, which idiot in Russia could carry out such [an attack]? Where is the logic [in that]?"

    He asserted that the story could have been "a primitive provocation by British intelligence services," and noted that Moscow and London signed a 1998 agreement on mutual investigations in high-profile cases. "So, hand the files over to us and let us probe the crime together," the former intelligence chief said.

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    In short:
    "It's been discovered the moon is made of green cheese and it is highly likely Russia did it!"

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    This is all part of a larger political play against Assad in Syria and Russia which
    we have seen for the past few years and Nikki Haley spells it out in the UN.
    This is in direct response for the Syrian armies recent victories with Russian and
    Iranian support to liberate their country.

    This is an attempt to get support to legitimise the US and hopefully get more NATO
    troops involved , the UK has drones operating in Iraq and with this 'false flag' type
    event if accepted by parliament and the press which it seems to be will allow
    another vote to send military assets to Syria . Also as Mrs Thatcher famously said
    there is nothing like a war to boost your failing ratings in the polls and the
    Falklands certainly helped the Iron lady for a decade.

    Mrs. May is not in the same league as Thatcher but she is in the same political
    pressure with Brexit as Thatcher was with the unions and she may think the
    distraction of a war will make her look strong....the usual political bs.

    Mrs May said in parliament today we have taken steps to dismantle the Russian
    espionage ring operating in the UK. WTF is she on about ? If they knew there
    was a spy ring they could have got rid of it at anytime they wanted , of course
    there are spies here there always has been .....


    Nikki Haley: Russia responsible for UK poisoning


    CNN Published on 14 Mar 2018
    US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley says the US believes that
    Russia is responsible for the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter
    in Salisbury, UK

    ==================================================

    The UK rep opens the debate and the Russian Rep responds aprox 39 min in
    the vid below strongly and basically asks the UK who benefits from this ?
    certainly not Russia , but would benefits certain players.

    UNSC holds urgent meeting over Salisbury attack

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USYfRVqG2lk
    Streamed live 2 hours ago...14/3/18
    Read more: https://on.rt.com/913c
    Britain has called for a meeting of the U.N. Security Council to discuss the
    investigation into the chemical agent attack on a former Russian spy and his
    daughter.
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    If this is May's WMD moment I think she's about to be found out.

    "It is a scientific impossibility for Porton Down to have been able to test for novichoks, without possessing some to develop the tests. As Dr Black has revealed Porton Down had never seen any Russian novichok, they cannot have a test for it unless they synthesised some themselves to develop the tests. And if they can synthesise it, so can many others, not just the Russians.

    And finally – Mirzayanov is an Uzbek name and the novichok programme, assuming it existed, was in the Soviet Union but far away from modern Russia, at Nukus in modern Uzbekistan. I have visited the Nukus chemical weapons site myself. It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government, as I recall finishing while I was Ambassador there. There has in fact never been any evidence that any “novichok” ever existed in Russia itself."

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk


    "I certainly hope that Skripal, his companion, and anybody else affected, recover fully from whatever has attacked them. But I moved long ago past a world view where my country are the “goodies” and Russians are the “baddies”, and instead I reached an understanding that those in power oppress the people, universally. The idea that the elaborate spy games between world intelligence agencies are a battle between right and wrong, is for the story books. They are all wrong, all part of a system where power over people is controlled for the benefit of the wealthy, and battles are over hard resources, whichever “side” you are on."

    Craig Murray former British Ambassador.


    http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kin...mi6-salisbury/
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    Piers Morgan is a bigot at times and has no idea of how RT reports its news
    and is rude and ignorant to Afshin Rattani all the way through.

    Piers Morgan Clashes With RT Presenter About Russia Reporting | Good Morning Britain

    Published on 14 Mar 2018
    Piers Morgan goes head to head with Russia Today presenter Afshin Rattansi over
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    A new article from Moon of Alabama:

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03...all-apart.html

    Quote Theresa May's 'Novichok' Claims Fall Further Apart
    March 14, 2018

    The British government claims that 'Novichok' poisons, developed 30 years ago in the Soviet Union, affected a British double agent. Such substances may not exits at all.

    The 'whistleblower' for the 'Novichok' program and poisons published some chemical formulas that should enable any decent laboratory to reproduce them. But neither the existence of the claimed program nor the existence of the alleged substances were ever accepted by the scientific community.

    The highly constructed drama around the alleged poisoning of a British double agent Skripal and his daughter has thus turned into a surreal play. The British government has so far given no evidence that the Skripal's were poisoned at all, or were poisoned by someone else. No detailed medical bulletin was published. The British accusations against Russia lets one assume that a suicide attempt has been excluded. Why?

    There is no independent evaluation of the alleged poison. The British government claims that its own chemical weapon laboratory at Porton Down, only a few miles from where the incident happened, has identified the poison as one of the 'Novichok' chemicals.

    But in 2016 a leading chemist at Porton Down published a piece in a scientific journal that denied that such chemicals exist. (Tim Hayword and Craig Murray both point this out):
    As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.

    In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)

    Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry
    Additionally the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has not recognized Novichoks as chemical weapons because it found scant evidence that they exist at all. The U.S. and the UK are both part of the organization and both agreed with this evaluation:
    The OPCW’s Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) appeared to doubt the existence of “Novichoks”, and did not advise that the compounds described by Mirzayanov, or their precursors, should be designated as Scheduled Chemicals that should be controlled under the Chemical Weapons Convention:

    [The SAB] emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”. (OPCW, 2013)
    The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanjaov, who 'blew the whistle' and wrote about the 'Novichoks', now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. The AFP news agency just interviewed him:
    Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.

    "Only the Russians" developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. "They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy."

    The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book to make such a weapon.
    "Russia did it", says Mirzanjaov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".




    ...
    Continues here: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03...all-apart.html

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    Adam Garrie (middle east commentator an analyst) comments on the UN Security Council meeting here:
    http://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/03...lonial-habits/

    Quote Russia to UK at the United Nations: “Give Up on Colonial Habits”
    Written by Adam Garrie on 2018-03-14

    Of all the recent farcical sessions of the UN Security Council to have transpired in recent years, today’s was one of the most surreal. The UN Security council had initially opted to hold a private meeting to discuss what in a saner circumstance would be a localised police issue in a quiet leafy city in England. ... Unless some international element of the crime is discovered which thus far, it has not, it will ultimately remain a matter of local law enforcement. It is of great relevance that it was Russia which demanded the meeting be open to the public so that the world could see just how absurd the statements from the UK and US would be. Russia was right – there was plenty of absurdity on display.

    But if it wasn’t enough for the UK to demand a meeting of the Security Council to discuss a local police issue, once the UK envoy at the meeting got down flushing the presumption of innocence down the drain, it was US Ambassador Nikki Haley’s turn. While the issue at hand was the poisoning of a former British spy of Russian origin, his daughter visiting from Moscow and a local police officer who fell ill while searching the initial victim’s house, for Nikki Haley, it was also about Syria and North Korea.

    ...

    When Russian Ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya spoke, he first of all dispelled the notion that the fact the USSR developed the alleged poison in question somehow proves culpability. Nebenzya reminded the Security Council that since 1992, Russia began the dismantling of its chemical weapons programme and as part of this agreement, Moscow shared previously confidential formulas for various chemical substances, including with the US and its partners. In any case, the formula for the chemical substance allegedly used in the Skripal incident is public knowledge and is available to anyone who purchases a book by a man called Vil Mirzayanov. His book incidentally retails for $30.

    While the UK is implying that it does not have the formula for the alleged poison, Ambassador Nebenzya reminded the Security Council that according to the scientific method, in order for UK investigators to positively identify a substance, one would need the chemical formula for the alleged substance as well as a control sample to measure against that which was found in the victim. The clear implication is that either the UK has access to the Novichok poison or otherwise, it cannot be entirely sure if this was even the substance which led to the illness of Skripal, his daughter and a police detective.

    Nebenzya lamented that the nation which produced the author Arthur Conan Doyle, has become more like his incompetent character Inspector Lestrade, rather than the more studious Sherlock Holmes. He further stated that the UK and others must “give up on colonial habits”, which he correctly said were throwbacks to the 19th century and un-befitting of the 21st.

    When all is said and done, what should have been a police investigation that could have then been supervised by international parties to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, has become a neo-imperial farce, where countries like the UK and US are throwing around racist stereotypes about Russia in order to force Russia to prove its innocence in a matter where no guilt can reasonably be assigned without a great deal more investigation.

    This is ultimately what it boils down to – a former empire criticising a current superpower for something they had no motive to carry out.


    From here: http://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/03...lonial-habits/
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    The Lyndon LaRouche team believe this and the Russiagate hysteria were orchestrated by the British; the latter as a plot against the US and Trump. (They have a pinned tweet with a petition on this in their twitter feed; pinned on 8 Jan: https://twitter.com/larouchepac/stat...150925824?s=20)

    They might be right about British orchestration... after all Steele is a British intelligence player and it wouldn’t be the first time we had a “perfidious Albion” play.

    Here is their analysis: https://larouchepac.com/20180314/bri...-control-trump

    Quote British Imperial Geopolitics Collapsing, Theresa May Desperately Tries To Control Trump

    British Prime Minister Theresa May has put on a "Churchillian" show over the apparent poisoning of a Russian double agent in London. She and Foreign Secretary Boris "Col. Blimp" Johnson have issued a 24-hour ultimatum to Russia and demanded NATO support for a U.K. confrontation against Russia and possible attack on Syria. Tuesday afternoon May was pursuing President Donald Trump by phone to try to rope him into attacking Russia.

    Unfortunately for her, Churchill himself was an eager user of poison weapons on the battlefield, "extermination bombing" -- as he put it -- and poison gas attacks on civilians from "inferior races." Many around the world remember the history of Great Britain, and are aware of its present arming and direction of the Saudi war of genocide against Yemen.

    And the U.K. itself possesses the rare chemical nerve agent May claims was used by Russians in London.

    But May's desperation really comes from the fact that the geopolitical doctrine conjured by Britain over centuries is at its fag end. It is being defeated by a new policy known as the New Silk Road and named by China's President the "common destiny of humanity."

    ...

    The British intelligence-spawned "Russiagate" scandals in the United States, aimed at either forcing Trump into confrontation with Russia or forcing him out of office, continue to collapse -- now with the House Intelligence Committee ending its investigations and declaring, "nothing there."

    President Putin's March 1 speech declared obsolete and dead, the NATO policy of surrounding Russia with NATO strategic first-strike capability. It cannot be ignored. The U.S. Defense Department itself has now acknowledged that U.S. ABM systems will not work against Russia's strategic weapons. As President Putin said, negotiation based on mutual respect is the best policy for both countries.

    May herself could be about to be replaced as Prime Minister by Jeremy Corbyn, who actually has mass support in the British public, in part for rejecting war confrontations with Russia.

    Whether the British PM can get President Trump to say "Russia did it" today, or not, her problem is deeper. As Helga Zepp-LaRouche commented yesterday, the establishment May represents is {already} defeated and in a rear-guard battle -- fighting for British imperial geopolitics to the bitter end. The new paradigm of great power relations pioneered by China is pushing the long-dominant British geopolitical doctrine off the stage of history.

    ...
    Ends with a pitch for LaRouche (sadly) but the whole article is here: https://larouchepac.com/20180314/bri...-control-trump

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    Problem Reaction Solution ... Very convenient coincidence...



    UK to build new £48m chemical weapons defence centre
    2 hours ago..15/3/18
    Related TopicsRussian spy poisoning


    The UK is to build a new chemical weapons "defence centre" to protect
    itself from what it says is the growing threat from Russia and North Korea.

    Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson is to announce the £48m facility will
    be located at the government's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.

    Scientists at Porton Down in Wiltshire helped identify the nerve agent used
    to attack ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal.

    Thousands of British troops are also to be vaccinated against anthrax.

    In a speech on Thursday, Mr Williamson will say the "shocking and reckless"
    attack on Mr Skripal and his daughter illustrated the increasing dangers the
    UK faced from chemical weapons. The UK is expelling 23 Russian diplomats and
    taking a range of other measures in response to what it said was the Russian
    state's culpability for the use of a military grade nerve agent on the duo in Salisbury.


    read more''''
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43405686

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    UK & US accused Russia of poisoning Sergei Skripal at emergency UNSC meeting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8y8fyjcD0
    Published on 14 Mar 2018
    The UK government has accused Russia of breaching the International Chemical
    Weapons Convention.That came during an emergency meeting of the UN Security
    Council, called by London over the poisoning of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal
    in Britain.

    ================================================== ==

    'Cui bono?' - Russian envoy to UN asks about Salisbury case
    RT


    Published on 14 Mar 2018
    Russia's envoy to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, has demanded “hard evidence” of
    Russia's involvement in the incident in Salisbury. He also asked members of UNSC
    to think who would benefit from accusations against Russia
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    ‘Guilty until proven innocent’: UK implements
    sanctions against Russia over Skripal case



    Published on 15 Mar 2018
    The UN Security Council meeting comes after allegations from Britain's
    Prime Minister Theresa May, on Russia's alleged involvement in the
    poisoning of former spy Sergey Skripal and his daughter.

    ============================================

    ‘Russia should go away & shut up’ – UK Defence Secretary amid diplomatic row

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOxBQ0JBKqs

    Published on 15 Mar 2018
    London says Russia should 'shut up and go away' in response to a question
    about Moscow’s statements that it would expel British diplomats. UK also said
    it will boost Britain's military in response to the poisoning of Sergey Skripal
    and his daughter
    ============================================



    Russia spy: Allies condemn nerve agent attack

    The leaders of France, Germany, the US and UK have issued a statement on the
    nerve agent attack in the UK, saying there is "no plausible alternative explanation"
    to Russian responsibility.

    read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271

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    Tensions increase between the UK and Russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVrqaYeS90E
    Published on 15 Mar 2018
    BBC News debate...
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    The New York Times presents proof that Russia murdered Ex-spy with chemicals:

    https://russia-insider.com/en/nytime...micals/ri22790


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