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    Clips from hospital staff in news report below...........



    Russian spy poisoning: How the Skripals were saved

    Mark Urban..Diplomatic and defence editor, Newsnight
    @MarkUrban01on Twitter

    29/5/18

    short vid on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44278609
    "We expected them not to survive": The hospital staff who saved the Skripals

    Hospital staff who saved the lives of poisoned Russians Sergei and Yulia Skripal
    have revealed they did not expect the victims of the nerve agent attack to survive.

    The Skripals had been found slumped on a bench on 4 March - but staff treating
    them at Salisbury District Hospital did not initially know the reason why.

    Nursing director Lorna Wilkinson said a key moment came when policeman Nick
    Bailey was admitted with similar symptoms. "There was a real concern as to how
    big this could get," she said.

    She told BBC Two's Newsnight: "Have we just gone from having two index patients
    having something that actually could become all-consuming and involve many
    casualties? Because we really didn't know at that point."

    read...more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44278609
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    Skripal poisoning: Medics reveal fears - BBC Newsnight

    Full BBC News night film report....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwhR6wqNEis
    Published on 30 May 2018...BBC...( 18 mins)...

    Hospital staff who saved the lives of poisoned Russians Sergei and Yulia Skripal
    have revealed they did not expect the victims of the nerve agent attack to survive.
    The Skripals had been found slumped on a bench on 4 March - but staff treating
    them at Salisbury District Hospital did not initially know the reason why.
    This is their story.

    ====================================================
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    Medics initially treated Skripals for opioid overdose until Porton Down gave 'advice'


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFQhtNHptFg
    Published on 30 May 2018...RT...( 4 mins )...
    The medical team at Salisbury Hospital were treating the Skripals for opioid
    overdose without any extra precautions, until UK chemical weapon experts
    'confirmed' nerve agent poisoning and 'advised' them on treatment, BBC reports.
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    Former chemical weapons expert: "Even UK allies are starting to ask what's true"



    Published on 30 May 2018
    "Even UK allies are starting to ask what's true" says former United
    Nations inspector Anton Unkin as Skripals' doctors are surprised by
    fast and 'hard to explain' recovery.

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    UK medics admit they treated Skripals for opioid overdose until Porton Down showed them the error of their ways

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    The medical team at Sainsbury Hospital were treating the Skripals for opioid overdose without any extra precautions, until UK chemical weapon experts "confirmed" nerve agent poisoning and "advised" them on treatment, BBC reports.

    Staff at Salisbury District Hospital say that former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, who were found unconscious on a bench in Salisbury on March 4, were initially treated for opioid overdose, a new documentary reveals.

    "The evening that Yulia and Sergei were admitted, at that point we were led to believe that they have taken an overdose, so there was no mention of nerve agent poisoning," Sarah Clark, ward sister in charge of the shift on March 4, told BBC2's Newsnight in an interview broadcast on Tuesday. "They were needing their support with their breathing and support with their cardiovascular system."

    Some initial reports on the Skripals indicated that emergency services suspected the powerful drug fentanyl may have been involved. The highly addictive synthetic opiate has been linked to a sharp increase in overdoses in the US and has also resulted in dozens of deaths across the UK.

    The medical staff was apparently so sure of the drug overdose diagnosis that they did not even consider taking special precaution to protect themselves against potential exposure to the deadly military grade chemical agent, which they were soon convinced caused the ailment of the Skripals.

    "At first, when they first came in, there was no indication of the fact that it was a nerve agent. And therefore, we take our normal protection when any patient comes in but would have not at that point taken any extra precaution in terms of protecting ourselves," Clark said.

    Things at the hospital began to slowly change when police told the medical staff on Monday morning that they were dealing with victims of a potential "targeted attack." Dr. Duncan Murray, the hospital's senior intensive care consultant, recalled how he discovered the identity of the Skripals at "six o'clock on a Monday morning," while Cara Charles Barks, chief executive at the hospital, said that only by 10am was the case declared an "external incident."

    While the Skripals were first admitted to the hospital on Sunday evening, it was not until Tuesday that doctors realized they were seeing "symptoms typical of organophosphate" or nerve agent poisoning, the BBC investigation claims. This suspicion arose after Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, one of the officers who had attended the scene but whose fate was not part of the BBC report, was admitted with "similar" symptoms.

    While some of the symptoms exhibited by the Skripals were consistent with World Health Organization guidelines for opioid poisoning, it was not until a helping hand was extended by experts from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) at Porton Down that the Salisbury medical team finally started treating the Skripals for nerve agent poisoning.

    "Whilst a district general hospital laboratory cannot test specifically for a nerve agent, we are able to request tests for the effect of the nerve agent so we can measure anticholinesterase levels and see whether they have been affected. And it was our colleagues in Porton Down that helped us with the testing," Medical Director Dr. Christine Blanshard said.

    From that point on, doctors at Salisbury Hospital began to administer medical treatment, the details of which are kept secret due to medical "confidentiality" concerns. The hospital continued to receive advice from international experts, including the Porton Down chemical weapons research laboratory.

    "Clinical decisions were ours, but we would be foolish not to take their advice, which we did. And I think that helped," intensive care consultant Dr. Jukes noted. "When we began seeing some improvements, it happened a lot quicker than anticipated. Certainly, when you look at these groups of nerve agents, the expectations from the textbooks, the journals suggested a much longer period of recovery."

    Dr. Jukes, who did not initially believe the two would survive, said he was "exceptionally surprised" with the speed of their recovery. In fact, it happened so fast that he cannot easily explain it.

    Dr. Murray of Salisbury District Hospital said their recovery is "attributable to the very good, generic, basic, critical care, excellent team care," and not some magic pill, in addition to "some input from really, really well informed international experts, which very fortunate, some of who have happened to be on our doorstep at Porton Down."

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    A full two days after exposure to a weapons-grade nerve agent with no proper treatment, no symptoms of nerve agent exposure, no local tests to determine if a nerve agent was involved (only Porton Down's say-so), and a miraculous recovery. It's almost sounds as if the Salisbury doctors are getting their side of the story out so that no one can accuse them of anything shady. Instead, they place the potential blame for that on Porton Down.
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    When one realizes that the Skripals should have died within the first hour after exposure to a military-grade nerve agent but were still alive after two full days of treatment for opioid overdose... one has also to realize the length to which the British MSM went to concoct a false, propaganda story to suit their masters' puppeteers' purpose... especially the BBC!
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    Nurse who treated the Skripals says no extra protective measures were taken


    Published on 30 May 2018
    "They're all just struggling for possible options on what's gone on" says former
    police officer Peter Kirkham as nurse who treated the Skripals says that no
    extra protective measures were taken initially.

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    Yakovenko: We're still demanding access to the investigation


    Published on 25 Jun 2018
    "We're demanding access to the investigation, we want to know the truth"
    says Alexander Yakovenko (diplomat) after Prince Charles and Camilla visit
    Salisbury and meet the police officer who was caught up in the Skripal poisoning.

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    Wide ranging interview....Including a brief history of how the US created Al Qaeda
    and the odd UK reaction to the Skripal poisoning and it could well be a set up
    and more and even amusing as he explains the wests 'highly likely' claims Russia
    is responsible everything from MH 70 to Donald Trump being urinated on by
    prostitutes in Moscow, and more...

    Exclusive: Sergey Lavrov, Russia's Foreign Minister, on Skripals, Trump 'kompromat'
    claims and OPCW


    Published on 29 Jun 2018
    Exclusive Channel 4 News interview with the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
    He accuses Britain of 'extermination of the evidence' in the Skripal poisoning and of
    'all kinds of tricks' to change the rules of the OPCW.
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    For the purpose of providing a little more information on the content of the DSMA notices released on March 7th and March 14th from the MOD (Ministry of Defence) in Whitehall please do see here and here for the full text circulated to the press.

    I'm copying them below as well for ease of reference and they do make very interesting reading.

    Information obtained from the following source/s:

    http://powerbase.info/index.php/DSMA...e_7_March_2018
    http://powerbase.info/index.php/DSMA..._14_March_2018

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    DSMA notice 7 March 2018

    This is the text of a 'DSMA notice' (formerly known as 'D notices') issued to the British media on 7 March 2018 and obtained by Spinwatch from a reliable source. Redactions indicated by 'XXX' have been applied to possible personal data. For more information see: Defence and Security Media Advisory (DSMA) Notice System [Note: of particular interest to some readers here may be the history of D-notices - Tintin]

    From: DSMA Secretary <secretary@dsma.uk>

    Date: 7 March 2018

    Subject: URGENT FOR ALL EDITORS - DEFENCE AND SECURITY MEDIA ADVISORY (DSMA) NOTICE


    Private and Confidential: Not for Publication, Broadcast or for use on Social Media TO ALL EDITORS The issue surrounding the identify of a former MI6 informer, Sergei Skripal, is already widely available in the public domain. However, the identifies of intelligence agency personnel associated with Sergei Skripal are not yet widely available in the public domain. The provisions of DSMA Notice 05 therefore apply to these identities. DSMA Notice 05 inter alia advises editors against the:

    'inadvertent disclosure of Sensitive Personnel Information (SPI) that reveals the identity, location or contact details of personnel (and their family members) who have security, intelligence and/or counter-terrorist backgrounds, including members of the UK Security and Intelligence Agencies, MOD and Specials Forces.' The full text of DSMA notice 05 can be found on the DSMA website.

    If any editor is currently considering publication of such material, may I ask you to seek my advice before doing so?

    Please do call or email me if you have any questions or need further clarification.

    I would be grateful were the Press Association and Society of Editors to promulgate this notice through their own networks.

    Thank you,

    Yours sincerely,

    John Alexander

    Group Captain John Alexander | Second Deputy Secretary | Defence and Security Media Advisory Committee | Level 4 Spine 4, Room 113, Ministry of Defence Main Building, Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB | Office 020 7218 2206 | mobile 07xx xxx xxxx | secretary@dsma.uk | www.dsma.uk

    DSMA notice 14 March 2018

    From: DSMA Secretary <secretary@dsma.uk>

    Date: 14 March 2018

    Subject: DEFENCE AND SECURITY MEDIA ADVISORY COMMITTEE


    Private and Confidential: Not for Publication, Broadcast or for use on Social Media TO ALL EDITORS One of the reactions from the Russian authorities in response to the measures that the UK authorities have recently announced, may include the publication or broadcast of Sensitive Personal Information (SPI).

    Any publication or broadcast of SPI could identify personnel (and their family members) who work in sensitive positions. These identities are covered by the purpose of DSMA notice 05. I would like to take this opportunity to remind editors of the purpose of DSMA notice 05 which inter alia advise editors against the:

    'inadvertent disclosure of Sensitive Personnel Information (SPI) that reveals the identity, location or contact details of personnel (and their family members) who have security, intelligence and/or counter-terrorist backgrounds, including members of the UK Security and Intelligence Agencies, MOD and Specials Forces.' The full text of DSMA notice 05 can be found on the DSMA website.

    If any editor wishes to consider publication of any such material in the near future, may I ask you to seek my advice before doing so?

    Please do call or email me if you have any questions or need further clarification.

    I would be grateful were the Press Association and Society of Editors to promulgate this notice through their own networks.

    Thank you,

    Yours sincerely,

    Geoffrey Dodds

    Brigadier Geoffrey Dodds | Secretary | Defence and Security Media Advisory Committee | Level 4 Spine 4, Room 113, Ministry of Defence Main Building, Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB | Office 020 7218 2206 | mobile 07xx xxx xxxx | secretary@dsma.uk | www.dsma.uk
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    Skripal Lie Redux: Two More People "Poisoned" Near Porton Down

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    Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:34 UTC

    Just as the World Cup had forced the British media to grudgingly acknowledge the obvious truth that Russia is an extremely interesting country inhabited, like everywhere else, by mostly pleasant and attractive people, we have a screaming reprise of the "Salisbury incident" dominating the British media. Two people have been taken ill in Amesbury from an unknown substance, which might yet be a contaminated recreational drug, but could conceivably be from contact with the substance allegedly used on the Skripals, presumably some of which was somewhere indoors all this time as we were told it could be washed away and neutralised by water.

    Amesbury is not Salisbury - it is 10 miles away. Interestingly enough Porton Down is between Amesbury and Salisbury. Just three miles away from Muggleton Road, Amesbury. The news reports are not mentioning that much.


    "I am all out of ideas Inspector. What can possibly be the source of these mysterious poisonings?"

    Neither Porton Down nor the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has any idea where the substance to which the Skripals were allegedly exposed was made. Boris Johnson's great "coup" of obtaining a majority vote at the OPCW to expand its powers to place blame for chemical attacks, has proven rather otiose as the OPCW has no evidence on which to base any blame for Salisbury. In fact, four months on, May and Johnson's shrill blaming of Russia remains entirely, 100% evidence free.

    I do however wish to congratulate the neo-con warmongers of the Guardian newspaper for verbal dexterity. They have come up with a new formulation to replace the hackneyed "Of a type developed by Russia", to point the finger for a substance that could have been made by dozens of state or non state parties. The Guardian today came up with "Russian-created novichok". This cleverly employs a word that can encompass "developed" while also appearing to say "made". It also again makes out that novichok is a specific substance rather than a very broad class of substances. The Guardian's Steven Morris, by this brilliant attempt deliberately to mislead his readers, runs away with this week's award for lying neo-con media whore of the week. His achievement is particularly good as the rest of his report is largely a simple copy and paste from the Press Association.

    I most certainly hope that the couple in Salisbury hospital recover from whatever is afflicting them. The media is, by making this the lead story on all broadcast news after last night's football, inviting us to make the connection to the Skripals. In which case I assume the couple were perfectly well for five hours after contact, able to be very active and even to eat and drink heavily, before being mysteriously instantly disabled at the same time despite different ages, sexes, weights, and metabolisms and random uncontrolled dosages.

    Replicating that would be quite a feat.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    And this story that has broken today in the British press, at least in the way it has been presented immediately makes one a little suspicious somewhat as it draws startling parallels with the Skripal story. And in the same part of England (Wiltshire) and involving the same hospital.

    Quite how, again, two individuals could be admitted to a NHS District General Hospital and not quarantined in a secure military environment does raise a few eyebrows if 'nerve agents' were involved. I have grave doubts as to the actual reality of that - contributors to this thread have already provided compelling testimony that would contradict that narrative as it applied to Sergei and Yulia.

    Great discernment would be advised here and reading between the lines extraordinarily critical.

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    Guardian | Steven Morris in Amesbury and Caroline Bannock in Salisbury

    Wed 4 Jul 2018 16.42 BST First published on Wed 4 Jul 2018 02.18 BST

    Police fear Wiltshire couple have been exposed to nerve agent

    Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley in critical condition as Porton Down runs tests

    Counter-terrorism police have joined the investigation into what happened to two people in Wiltshire who are in a critical condition, amid fears that they may have been exposed to a nerve agent.

    Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley, who were at a property in Amesbury, were initially believed to have overdosed on drugs, but their symptoms raised alarm among medics and Wiltshire police, which led them to suspect a possible nerve agent.

    The couple, both in their 40s, were in a critical condition at Salisbury district hospital, Wiltshire police said on Wednesday.

    Tests were being carried out on a substance at the nearby Porton Down government defence laboratory. Whitehall sources said that it was too early to tell whether the incident was related to illegal drugs or “something more sinister”.


    The couple are understood to be British citizens who are unlikely to have been the victims of a targeted attack.

    “This is an incident which understandably is being treated with the utmost seriousness,” Theresa May’s spokesman said. Government security officials held a meeting of the Cobra committee in the Cabinet Office on Wednesday morning to discuss events in Amesbury and another meeting will take place later.

    Sam Hobson, 29, a friend of the couple, said he believed they had been struck down by a nerve agent.

    He described how on Saturday morning Sturgess fell ill and was taken to hospital and how later that morning Rowley also became sick. He said both were in hospital in isolation and he was receiving regular calls from the authorities to check he was well. “They thought it was drugs at first. They now think it’s a nerve agent,” he claimed.

    Hobson, a mechanic, said he was in Salisbury with the couple on Friday evening in locations close to some of the places associated with the Skripal case.

    A number of sites believed to be areas the couple frequented before they fell ill were cordoned off overnight. There was no cordon at the ambulance station in Amesbury.

    A branch of Boots in Amesbury was also closed and being guarded by police.

    Meanwhile, there was an increased police presence in and around Amesbury and Salisbury. Salisbury district hospital was operating normally and officials advised people to attend routine appointments unless told otherwise.

    Hobson said he and the couple spent time in “Lizzy Gardens” – Queen Elizabeth Gardens – close to the river on Friday. “We were having a drink and chilling in the sun,” he said.

    They visited a number of shops, including a chemist’s to buy red, white and blue dye for their hair to show their support for the England football team, a mobile phone shop, and a store to buy alcohol. They bought food and visited a charity shop to buy a blanket to sit on.

    Hobson visited Rowley’s home in Muggleston Road on Saturday morning. Sturgess, who lives in Salisbury, had spent the night there. “I saw lots of ambulances there and [Sturgess] got taken out on a stretcher. She needed to be helped with her breathing,” Hobson said. Rowley came out in tears. “They said she needed to have a brain scan.”

    After she was taken to hospital Hobson and Rowley went to Boots in Amesbury. Later they went to a hog roast at the local baptist church. Both the chemist’s and the church have been sealed off.

    Police have also cordoned off Raleigh Garden Green, where the hog roast took place on Saturday afternoon.

    Hobson said: “We went back to his place after the hog roast. We were going up to the hospital. Then he started sweating. His T-shirt was soaking wet. He got up and started rocking against the wall. His eyes were wide open and red, his pupils were like pinpricks. He began garbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating. He was making weird noises and acting like a zombie. I phoned an ambulance. At first they thought it was drugs but … they know now it isn’t drugs.”

    He said the couple had been together for a few months and neither worked. Hobson said they both also had one child by other partners.

    The incident comes four months after the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, were poisoned by a suspected military nerve agent in Salisbury, about eight miles from Amesbury.

    A spokesperson for Scotland Yard’s counter-terrorism command said: “As Wiltshire police have stated, they are keeping an open mind as to the circumstances surrounding the incident and will update the public as soon and as regularly as possible.”

    The counter-terrorism officers who have joined the investigation will have more expertise in issues to do with nerve agents and other military-grade weapons, as well as having the necessary security clearances to work with intelligence agencies.

    Public Health England (PHE) said it did not believe there to be a significant health risk to the wider public, although its advice was being continually assessed.

    Police said the man and woman were found unconscious at an address in Muggleton Road on Saturday evening, and it was initially believed they had taken illegal drugs, but further tests were being carried out. The address is thought to be on a new housing development on the southern edge of the town, which is close to Stonehenge.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    This is very suspicious with President Trump coming to the UK then going to meet Putin. It has
    all the hall marks of a inside job or a very , very odd coincidence which is unlikely. Its a
    globalist message so that Trump will leave the UK with Mrs May reminding him NATO comes
    first etc.....




    Amesbury: Two collapse near Russian spy poisoning site

    4/7/18


    The pair, believed to be Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley, were found unconscious on Saturday

    A man and woman are in a critical condition after being exposed to an unknown substance, which
    counter terrorism officers are investigating.The pair, believed to be Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn
    Sturgess, 44, were found unconscious at a house in Amesbury, Wiltshire, on Saturday.

    It is understood tests are being carried out on the substance at a government chemical weapons
    laboratory. Amesbury is about eight miles from the Salisbury Russian spy poisoning site.

    Former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with Novichok, a suspected
    military nerve agent, in March

    Read more....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44707052

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    British police investigate collapse of 2 near site of former Russian spy poisoning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nsFjsYx0Xw
    Published on 4 Jul 2018...CBS...( 3 mins )....
    A man and woman, both in their forties, are in critical condition after collapsing just
    miles from the site of where a former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned
    in March. Counter terrorism officials and police are investigating the latest incident.
    BBC reporter Duncan Kennedy has more.
    ====================================================
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    Major incident’: 2 checked for ‘unknown substance’ exposure near Salisbury – police
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxp8oxtJmlw
    Published on 4 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )....
    A British counter-terrorism unit has joined the probe after a man and woman were
    apparently exposed to an 'unknown substance' near Salisbury, according to police.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    First reports this morning mentioned that the police thought it was a contaminated batch of heroin. Both of the victims, Charlie Rowley & Dawn Sturgess, are known to be recreational drug users, including class A drug, heroin. Although I wouldn't call that 'recreational'.

    Then there is this statement from Sam Hobson, a friend of Charlie Rowley, who called the ambulance:
    Quote Sam Hobson, 29, said: 'Charlie was dribbling and was rocking backwards and forwards. He was in another world, he was hallucinating. 'He wasn't high or anything. He was stone cold sober. It was like nothing I'd ever seen. I called the ambulance and they took him away.'
    From the Daily Mail. I know, but some interesting details, and blatant forming of a narrative, within the report.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...substance.html

    Quote They were exposed just 300 yards from where the Skripals ate on the day they were poisoned with novichok, and it was feared this could be leftover toxin from then.
    Leftover toxin? How does the reporter know that they were 'exposed' just 300 yards from where the Skripals ate?

    One of the common denominators between the Skripal case and this, has to be Porton Down surely.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    And even more curiouser, is this story from the same edition of the Daily Mail.

    Quote Nerve agent victim Yulia Skripal intends to 'soon' return to Russia despite Britain blaming Putin for her poisoning, according to Moscow newspaper
    And especially this:

    Quote The report further claimed Yulia met a close Russian friend called Gulnara in London.

    Gulnara was interviewed and exonerated by Scotland Yard after she brought a package of buckwheat from Russia to London around the time the Skripals were poisoned.

    She has been 'in constant touch' with Stepan Vikeev, 30, Yulia's mysterious boyfriend who has vanished since the poisoning, MK claimed.

    Vikeev was reported to have had connections to the FSB security service.
    Quote It is unclear from MK if Yulia has been in direct contact with Vikeev since the poisoning.

    The newspaper claimed he initially had a 'mental breakdown' after she was poisoning,(sic) and he then disappeared.

    It stated his 'desire to go below the parapet can mean only one thing, that Stepan holds some information.

    'And it is quite possible that Russian special services had used him as a way of monitoring the English life of Sergey Skripal (considered a traitor in his homeland), because quite likely Yulia was sharing certain details about it with Stepan.

    'There is also another version, that Stepan is so scared for his reputation that he wants to be as far away as possible from the scandalous family.'

    Vikeev's mother Tatiana - also reportedly with links to the FSB - took her son to Sochi to recuperate for three weeks, and later he stayed out of sight with a business trip to the Arctic, it was claimed.
    Business trip to the Arctic? Hmmmmm, ok then.

    It's almost beyond words. If you feel like having your intelligence insulted, and can bare it, read on:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-Russia.html
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    Timing is everything and CNN spells out the globalist fears with the upcoming
    Trump , Putin meeting , fear , fear , fear.....

    This makes no sense for the Putin government to get involved in especially with the
    so far very successful soccer World cup in full swing and ironically the English team
    still involved. This could be anti Putin factions or a inside job involving the deepstate
    intel agents. Rogue elements have been attacking Trump and his peace through
    strength agenda since he was elected...

    This is all over the western news cycle in the UK ,US and elsewhere and designed
    to undermine the Trump , Putin meeting of changing the status quo of confrontation imo....

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Its UK official policy to boycott the World cup , luckily the team and some supporters ignored this ......

    Calls for BoJo to reverse stance on World Cup mount
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHD5nnqNb5c
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 2 mins )...
    Following England’s victory against Colombia, calls for BoJo to reverse his stance on
    the World Cup are beginning to mount.






    Wiltshire pair poisoned by Novichok nerve agent

    5/7/18

    short vid on link..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRso4soA5QM

    Assistant Commissioner of Specialist Operations Neil Basu speaking on Wednesday night

    A man and woman found unconscious in Wiltshire were poisoned
    by Novichok - the same nerve agent that poisoned ex-Russian
    spy Sergei Skripal, police say.

    read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44719639

    ===================================================

    UK police confirm nerve agent used in poisoning


    Published on 4 Jul 2018...CNN...( 6 mins )...
    British counter-terrorism officers confirmed that two people found unconscious in
    southern England were exposed to the nerve agent Novichock, which authorities
    believe Russia used in a poison attack in March.

    ===================================================

    Two Poisoned By Same Nerve Agent Used Against Former Russian Spy | NBC Nightly News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNlE52krMsk
    Published on 4 Jul 2018
    British nationals Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley were victims of the same nerve
    agent used in the attempted assassination of former Russian double agent Sergei
    Skripal and his daughter, investigators say.
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    Russia 'must explain nerve agent poisoning'

    5/7/18

    Home Secretary Sajid Javid has called on Russia to explain the Novichok
    poisoning after two people were exposed to it in Wiltshire.

    The couple, believed to be Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44,
    fell ill at a house in Amesbury on Saturday and remain in a critical condition.

    Mr Javid said the nerve agent used in the latest poisoning was the same
    type as that which ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal was exposed to in March.

    He said 100 counter-terrorism officers were working with Wiltshire Police.

    "It is completely unacceptable for our people to be either deliberate or
    accidental targets, or for our streets, our parks, our towns, to be dumping
    grounds for poison," he told MPs.

    "It is now time that the Russian state comes forward and explains exactly
    what has gone on."

    read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44727191

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    Amesbury incident may be consequence of Skripals case – UK security minister


    Published on 5 Jul 2018
    The UK Security Minister says the latest incident of exposure to a nerve agent in
    Britain is a repercussion of the poison attack on Sergey Skripal and his daughter
    in March. British counter-terror police claim 2 people, who are in a critical condition,
    came into contact with a military-grade poisonous substance. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9965

    ===================================================
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    Theresa May brings up Amesbury incident on German trip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbs_clQiLg0
    Published on 5 Jul 2018..RT...( 1 min )...
    Theresa May thanked Germany for their post-Skripal support and dropped the
    Amesbury incident into her statement
    ===================================================

    MSM and politicians scramble to point finger of blame for Amesbury incident


    Published on 5 Jul 2018
    There’s an entirely inconsistent narrative that has been pursued both by politicians
    and the media, says Charles Shoebridge former counter-terrorism officer as the
    MSM scrambles to look for someone to blame.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    This is typical of mainstream mind controlled view of Putin & RT....MP's should
    not give interviews on 'Putins propaganda machine'....

    Mike Gapes: ‘RT propaganda channel already gearing up to spread misinformation’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8JbfnqczOI
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 1 min )...
    ‘The St Petersburg troll factories and the RT propaganda channel are already
    gearing up to spread misinformation,’ says Mike Gapes as Sajid Javid updates
    house on #Amesbury incident.

    ===================================================
    ===================================================

    This is quite strange Mark Urban says in this piece that he interviewed Sergei
    Skripal last summer on a number of occasions for a book project. The police
    report is top secret etc....convenient.

    Sergei was not living a particularly low profile life in the UK and did still give
    lectures to military audiences in friendly countries...

    Something as we know is very odd about all this outside the mainstream, and
    Russia seems far to obvious a suspect imo...Unless some real proof can be
    presented to Russian authorities.....

    Skripals 'were under Russian surveillance' - BBC Newsnight


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uoPEc7hwqA
    Published on 4 Jul 2018...BBC...( 8 mins )...
    Newsnight’s Diplomatic and Defence Editor, Mark Urban, reveals that the
    Skripals 'were under Russian surveillance' and that he personally had several
    meetings with Sergei Skripal last year. In this report he explores what we know and
    what we don’t about the poisoned ex-spy.
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    Amesbury poisoning: Russia using UK as 'dumping ground'

    5/7/18

    read more....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44727191
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    This is just not making any sense, on any level, whatsoever.

    The Daily Mail. Establishment mouth piece, perception management and narrative forming rag. One of the most visited 'news' sites in the UK.

    So, let's take a deep breath................. And dive in. (All bolding is mine)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ght-lives.html

    Quote Police fear missing Novichok 'syringe' that left couple fighting for life could have been 'carried off by a child' as they admit they have no idea where it is - as authorities FINALLY evacuate homes
    Quote Police are hunting for the deadly syringe or vial laced with Novichok that poisoned a couple in Salisbury as they finally evacuated homes five days after they fell catastrophically ill.

    Dawn Sturgess, 44, and her boyfriend Charles Rowley, 45, became critically ill within hours of visiting Salisbury on Saturday – the site of the murder attempt on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

    The authorities are still searching for the container carrying the nerve agent, which could kill anyone who found it.

    'It could have been picked up by anyone, including a child. There's no doubt it will be contaminated still', adding the poison could be deadly 'for decades' if kept dry.

    Today police evacuated and screened-off the homeless shelter where Dawn lived in Salisbury and Charlie's home eight miles away in Amesbury where they both collapsed on Saturday.

    Salisbury Hospital chief executive Cara Charles-Barks has revealed they remain in a critical condition in intensive care and are 'acutely unwell' but added that nobody else has been poisoned.

    One friend of the couple, who were known to be drug users, believes they may have found a syringe believing it contained heroin rather than the deadly poison used by assassins Britain claims were sent by Russia.

    'It was definitely an accident. I think they found a package and it looked like drugs', she said.
    Syringe, vial or container?

    Found a syringe and mistook it for heroin. Absolutely no way. Those with one of the most powerful of addictions would not, upon finding a syringe with liquid inside it, take it and inject it without testing it first. The reasons why no addict would do this are obvious. Potential dirty needle, possibly from someone with blood born viruses, Hep-C, HIV, etc, and not knowing what the contents are. Charlie Rowley is a registered addict so would have access to free needles and fit-packs (injecting kit). To test the contents would take 5 seconds.

    By deduction, if we are to believe the narrative that is being pushed, that a syringe containing Novichok is responsible for these latest poisonings, that means that the Skirpals must've been injected with the chemical agent.......... why else would it be carried in a syringe? Yet, from all reports of the Skirpal poisoning, not one mentioned that they had been injected with the agent. Why is this narrative being formed now?

    Quote Another theory is that they found a bag in the park and took it home not knowing it contained traces of the deadly nerve agent.
    What bag? What did it contain for them to take it home?

    Quote Dawn's mother Caroline, who looks after Dawn's 10-year-old daughter, works as a steward at the Boscombe Down RAF base.

    The father of Dawn's children, Andy Hope, also has clearance for Boscombe Down, where he works as an aircraft engineer. One of Dawn's two older sons lives with him.
    Interesting.

    Quote Chemical weapons expert Hamish de Bretton-Gordon told MailOnline that Novichok could survive for 'months or longer' inside a syringe - and only a 'few molecules' could make someone seriously ill if it entered their mouth, nose or blood.

    He said: 'I think there is an assumption that they may have picked up a syringe. It appears they may have contaminated themselves and were not attacked.

    'Only a few molecules of the stuff can make people ill but only of you ingest it. We know that several people brushed against the Skripals but they never became ill'.

    He added: 'I understand that the security services and the police are pretty convinced that they are going to find and get a resolution to who attacked [the Skripals]. The Russians could get on the front foot and help us out here'.
    Have the Russians not had every attempt at investigating blocked by UK PLC?

    Quote Mr Javid said a link to the Skripal attack was the 'main line of inquiry' but they would not 'jump to conclusions'.

    He added: 'The decision taken by the Russian government to deploy these in salisbury was reckless and callous.'
    Jumping to conclusions is exactly what is demonstrated in those two sentences.

    Quote 'He started sweating. His T-shirt was soaking wet. He got up and started rocking against the wall,' Mr Hobson recalled.

    'His eyes were wide open and red, his pupils were like pinpricks. He began gabbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating. He was making weird noises and acting like a zombie. I phoned an ambulance.

    'At first they thought it was drugs but they know now it isn't.'
    But they didn't know that when Charlie was being loaded into the ambulance. So why did only one of the paramedics have a hazmat suit on? None of the police officers, none of the other ambulance staff and no one at the hospital. Check the video and photographs.

    I'll tell you what that sounds like, a Fentanyl overdose. Possibly Carfentanil.


    If you actually read the Daily Mail 'report', it repeats the narrative over and over and over, before moving-on to the Skirpal narrative, just to cement into your brain. Again.

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    Former Met Police chief inspector weighs in on Amesbury incident


    Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )...
    ‘I suspect what’s happened is something hasn’t been disposed of responsibly
    and that has come to light somewhere else,’ says Peter Kirkham, former chief
    inspector - Met Police, as Amesbury incident continues to unfold.

    ==================================================
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    ' We must improve our propaganda '...Which is what she means....

    Vicky Ford: ‘BBC crucial to our safety at home’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzzuznEmf4
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 1 min )...
    ‘Would you consider giving your support to the BBC World Service at this time
    because it is clearly crucial to our safety at home?’ Asked Vicky Ford in the wake
    of the Amesbury incident earlier.

    ==================================================
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    This is just silly.......

    Security Minister: There's No Link Between Wiltshire and Salisbury Poisoning
    | Good Morning Britain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCb9w-EXfdI
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...( 5 mins )...
    Security Minister, Ben Wallace, claims that there is no real link to connect the
    Wiltshire couple and the Skiprial's who were poisoned earlier in the year despite
    them all being exposed to the same Russian nerve agent.
    ===================================================
    ===================================================

    Potent nerve agent sickens couple in Britain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_aJt5I09sw
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...CBS...( 6 mins )...
    Bristish police say a couple sickened this week were poisoned by Novichok, the same
    type of nerve agent used to attack a Russian former spy and his daughter in March.
    ===================================================
    ===================================================

    British Prime Minister Theresa May responds to UK nerve agent poisoning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJZ35H4nJV0
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...CNN...( 4 mins )
    British Prime Minister Theresa May responds after a couple was exposed to
    Novichok, a highly toxic nerve agent that nearly killed a former Russian double
    agent and his daughter earlier this year.
    ===================================================
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    How did new Novichok poisoning in UK happen?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a29gALZm4c0
    Published on 5 Jul 2018...Channel 4....( 11 mins )...
    Could there be more Novichok out there?
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    Amesbury Novichok contaminated item search continues

    6/7/18

    Police in hazmat suits have entered a hostel in Amesbury as they search for the
    item contaminated with the nerve agent that poisoned a couple. Investigators
    believe Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44, were exposed to Novichok after
    handling the unknown object. The pair remain in a critical condition in hospital. The
    item was unlikely to have been left in the open before they touched it, a
    government scientist has told BBC News.

    BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said the search for the item could
    take "weeks or months" and that no objects have yet been collected for testing.
    Novichok can be degraded by rainwater and sunlight over time - meaning it was
    probably discovered by the pair in a contained space, the government source added.
    But other experts have said the nerve agent was designed to be persistent and not
    break down.

    read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44733873

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    Sajid Javid calls on Russia to ‘explain’ situation over poisoning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjxM6GIkSZ0
    Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )....
    ‘When British officials talk about the “RT propaganda machine” trying to
    muddy the water by asking questions this is nonsense, any sensible
    person is asking all sorts of questions,’ says Jonathan Steele - international
    affairs analyst, as Amesbury incident unfolds.
    ===========================================
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    How to deal with Novichok? Use baby wipes, say health officials in
    response to Amesbury incident!


    Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 3 mins )....
    The British Home Secretary is calling on Russia to come clean about the
    latest case of alleged Novichok use in the south of England. Meanwhile,
    the UK public have been left worried after a couple ended up in critical
    condition, with signs of what police described as nerve agent exposure.
    READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9965
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    UK media speculating on Russian involvement despite many unknowns

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlT5J0X7-oc
    Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 3 mins )....
    ‘We’ve come full circle, they sat their four months ago making the same
    claims. Something happens accuse Russia, arguments collapse then quiet,
    ’ says RT’s Murad Gazdiev.
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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    The 'spin' from the UK government and most of the mainstream press is to tow the
    propaganda line. To counter the claim why would Russia do something like this
    while the World cup is on and other internal events have been going on over the
    past few years like the Sochi winter Olympics , elections etc.

    The UK intel 'spin' is they use these events as cover to do nefarious acts
    abroad........I am not saying Russian intelligence is not capable of the
    same antics western ones get up to but this seems all designed to stop Trump and
    Putin becoming partners in some sort of peace in the East that may undermine the
    Globalist NWO and NATO in some way....

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    'UK media is willing to accept what is unproven & contradicts
    common sense' – Int'l affairs analyst


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0ZwejDjj4
    Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 5 mins )...
    Following the Amesbury poisoning, some British media outlets have
    indulged in scare-mongering. They claim an assassination attempt
    or cyber-attack on critical national infrastructure by Russia are
    imminent. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/99bt

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    Amesbury Novichok police operation 'will take months'

    7/6/18

    The police operation into the poisoning of a couple with a nerve agent in
    Salisbury is "expected to take months to complete", officers have said.

    Police believe Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44, were exposed
    to Novichok after handling an unknown object.

    The pair remain in a critical condition in hospital a week after falling ill.

    Their symptoms were the same as those of Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal
    and his daughter Yulia, poisoned in March.

    read more....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44748582
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