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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Unless the UK has some real intelligence & proof this stinks,
    The only level it makes sense is either the Deepstate globalist
    are putting pressure on Trump via the UK as they are all part
    of NWO behind the scenes. Or they are using it to get the EU in
    a panic to get aw better EU deal. Both seems more plausible
    than Russia doing this officially. There could be other possible
    reasons but the over the top reaction by PM May , politicians
    and mainstream media is suspicious ......
    I was thinking about this and it seems to me that what Catherine Austin Fitts calls “control files” are being used here. It seems so contrived that I can almost see some behind-the-scenes types pulling strings and saying “dance, monkey dance”...

    Are they trying to “burn” (publicly and noisily) May and Johnson who have become “inconvenient” in some way whilst at the same time achieve some social engineering goal? It is all so bizarre.

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    Quote Are they trying to “burn” (publicly and noisily) May and Johnson who have become
    “inconvenient” in some way whilst at the same time achieve some social engineering goal?
    It is all so bizarre.
    Yes it seems so controlled and with virtually no mainstream backlash asking
    the obvious questions and looking at the bigger agenda. Who benefits from
    the fallout ? The Deepstate with its anti Putin agenda and keeping pressure
    on Trump from doing something stupid like co operating with Russia. Also
    the sudden response from the EU as the fear card makes them more amenable
    in the Brexit negotiations. Certainly Putin does not benefit and its seems also
    to put pressure on his Middle East and Ukrainian policies somehow ?

    May and Johnson could be targets for removal though I would not go there
    automatically though some have . Is May looking for her Mrs Thatcher Falklands
    moment ? This convenient false flag type event has helped her and as I said
    got over a sticking block in Brexit negotiations ... Boris is just a idiot at times....

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    Russian spy: UK accused of leading 'anti-Russian campaign'
    34 minutes ago23/3/18


    The PM sought support from her European counterparts in Brussels

    Russia has accused the European Union of following an "anti-Russian campaign
    launched by London" over the nerve agent attack on a former double agent.
    Moscow denies responsibility for the attack on ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his
    daughter Yulia in Salisbury on 4 March.

    The bench the pair were sitting on when they were found unconscious has
    been removed by a team in protective suits, as the investigation continues.

    On Thursday, the EU said it was "highly likely" Russia was behind the attack.

    The European Council said it stood in "unqualified solidarity" with the UK,
    after Prime Minister Theresa May briefed her counterparts on the poisoning.
    Ms May welcomed the EU support, saying that it was right "we are standing
    together" as the threat posed by Russia "respects no borders and it is a
    threat to our values".

    read more..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43518536
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    My immediate mental picture of who is behind the "blame and hate Russia" move above mentioned, was THAT high-level meeting of the Top Bankers and 13 families plotting World War III in that "City of London" meeting room reported on Project Camelot by a whistle blower who attended the meeting. This same picture came to mind when considering the North Korean leader who, even in the face of the distinct possibility of being blown away by the USA for his threats of atomic use against the West, persists in manufacturing and firing atomic missiles. I thought to myself, "suppose he has been paid to provoke World War III and what should be the opposite side is really working together with him to bring about world genocide which is well at work in the USA on the poor people and in the Middle East. Think of the fact that we have been told that it is Great Britain who trained and deployed Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do the murders they performed on the human race?

    Above, the reports of torture-to-the-death experiments on unsuspecting service people worthy of any of Hitler's death camps AND chem trails (geo-engineering) to spread death worldwide from aircraft deployed from USA military camps sufficiently show the Genocidal intent of those in that room. Would it be too great a stretch for the same sources to deploy the nerve gas being manufactured at Pilton Down and then blame Russia for it? It seems to me that the Deadly Spider resides in Britain, and spreading to the USA. Why is there a law permitting experimentation on Americans? Who proposed and passed that law? Why has it not been REMOVED!

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    Why Boris Johnson is Lying in Skripal Case

    Craig Murray craigmurray.org.uk
    Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:27 UTC



    Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian "novichok" agent.

    Yesterday in an interview with Deutsche Welle Boris Johnson claimed directly Porton Down had told him they positively identified the nerve agent as Russian:
    You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?

    Let me be clear with you ... When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory ...

    So they have the samples ...

    They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, "Are you sure?" And he said there's no doubt.
    I knew and had published from my own whistleblowers that this is a lie. Until now I could not prove it. But today I can absolutely prove it, due to the judgement at the High Court case which gave permission for new blood samples to be taken from the Skripals for use by the OPCW.

    Justice Williams included in his judgement a summary of the evidence which tells us, directly for the first time, what Porton Down have actually said:
    The Evidence
    16. The evidence in support of the application is contained within the applications themselves (in particular the Forms COP 3) and the witness statements.

    17. I consider the following to be the relevant parts of the evidence. I shall identify the witnesses only by their role and shall summarise the essential elements of their evidence.

    i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
    Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.
    The emphasis is mine. This sworn Court evidence direct from Porton Down is utterly incompatible with what Boris Johnson has been saying. The truth is that Porton Down have not even positively identified this as a "Novichok", as opposed to "a closely related agent". Even if it were a "Novichok" that would not prove manufacture in Russia, and a "closely related agent" could be manufactured by literally scores of state and non-state actors.

    This constitutes irrefutable evidence that the government have been straight out lying - to Parliament, to the EU, to NATO, to the United Nations, and above all to the people - about their degree of certainty of the origin of the attack. It might well be an attack originating in Russia, but there are indeed other possibilities and investigation is needed. As the government has sought to whip up jingoistic hysteria in advance of forthcoming local elections, the scale of the lie has daily increased.

    On a sombre note, I am very much afraid the High Court evidence seems to indicate there is very little chance the Skripals will ever recover; one of the reasons the judge gave for his decision is that samples taken now will be better for analysis than samples taken post mortem.

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    The state and corporate media now have evidence of the vast discrepancy between what May and Johnson are saying, and the truth about the Porton Down scientists' position. I am afraid to say I expect this to make no difference whatsoever to the propaganda output of the BBC.

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    Quote The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.
    This is damning for Porton Down because it confirms that Porton Down is in possession of samples they call "Novichok" and since Russia actually never manufactured it; who manufactured the samples Porton Down is in possession of as a testing reference?
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    Russia's UK envoy thanks 1st responder at
    ‘reckless’ Skripal poisoning, calls for co-operation



    Published on 24 Mar 2018
    Russia's Ambassador to the UK has written to the policeman
    who was exposed to a nerve agent in the English city of
    Salisbury, following the poisoning of Skripal and his daughter.
    Alexander Yakovenko commended officer Nick Bailey's bravery,
    and wished him a speedy recovery. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/91st

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    I still feel the globalists are trying to slow down if not reverse Brexit
    "incredibly probable" sounds much like " Highly likely" in government lingo..

    Its more than the usual 'coincidence theory' demonising Putin while fear mongering
    around the world engineering flashpoints or manipulating genuine ones has been
    the TPTB's signature through history......




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    1 hour ago...25/3/18

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    saying it was like having home insurance when "you don't expect your
    house to burn down".He also hit back at Tory Eurosceptic concerns about
    what has been agreed so far.Last week prominent backbencher Jacob
    Rees-Mogg accused the government of giving away "almost everything".


    read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43532478

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    Default Re: Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning?

    I posted this elsewhere but this timeline of events seems relevant here too:

    Quote A truly historical month for the future of our planet

    March 2018 will go down in history as a truly historical month

    March 1st, Vladimir Putin makes his historical address (http://thesaker.is/the-president-of-...eral-assembly/) to the Russian Federal Assembly.

    March 4th, Sergei Skripal, a former UK spy, is allegedly poisoned in the UK. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison..._Yulia_Skripal)

    March 8th, British officials accuse Russia (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43326734) of using nerve gas to attempt to murder Sergei Skripal.

    March 12th, Theresa May officially blames Russia
    (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/w...poisoning.html) for the poisoning and gives Russia a 24-hour ultimatum (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...tes-salisbury/) to justify herself; the Russians ignore that ultimatum. The same day, the US representative at the UNSC threatens to attack Syria (http://thesaker.is/russian-mfa-summo...se-must-watch/) even without a UNSC authorization.

    March 13th, Chief of Russia’s General Staff Valery Gerasimov warned (http://tass.com/world/993678) that “in case there is a threat to the lives of our military, the Russian Armed Force will take retaliatory measures both over the missiles and carriers that will use them”. The same day Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ General Staff, Deputy Defense Minister, General of the Army Valery Gerasimov had a phone conversation (http://tass.com/defense/995551) with Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the United States’ Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    March 15th, the UK blocked Russia’s draft UN Security Council statement (https://www.rt.com/news/421340-uk-block-un-skripal/) on Skripal poisoning case asking for an “urgent and civilized investigation” into the Skripal case. The US, UK, France, and Germany issue a statement backing the UK and blaming Russia (http://thesaker.is/trump-may-merkel-...pal-poisoning/). The UK Defence Minister tells Russia (https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1GR23F) to “shut up and go away”.

    March 16th, Major General Igor Konashenkov calls the British Defense Minister (http://thesaker.is/official-russian-...p-and-go-away/) an “uncouth shrew” and “intellectual impotent”.

    March 16th, Major General Igor Konashenkov calls the British Defense Minister (http://thesaker.is/official-russian-...p-and-go-away/) an “uncouth shrew” and “intellectual impotent”.

    March 17th, Russian Generals warned that the US is preparing a chemical false flag attack in Syria (http://thesaker.is/russian-mod-warn-...ify-us-attack/).

    March 18th, Putin overwhelmingly wins the Presidential election (http://thesaker.is/the-outcome-of-th...plain-english/). The same day, General Votel, Commander of CENTCOM declares in a testimony to the Armed Services Committee (http://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/Transcripts/) that differences with Russia should be settled “through political and diplomatic channels”. When asked whether it would be correct to say that “with Russia and Iran’s help, Assad has won the Civil War in Syria?” General Votel replied “I do not think that is too — that is too strong of a statement. I think they have provided him the wherewithal to — to be ascendant at this point”.

    March 19th, the EU’s Foreign Affairs Council issues a statement (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...isbury-attack/) fully backing the UK.

    March 21st The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs summons all ambassadors to a briefing (http://thesaker.is/russian-mfa-summo...se-must-watch/) on the Skripal case. The language used by the Russian representative at this briefing (http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/...ent/id/3134581) possibly is the bluntest used by any Russian (or even Soviet) official towards the West since WWII. The French, Swedish and US representative at the meeting all stood up to declare their “solidarity” with the UK.

    March 22nd, The Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ General Staff, Deputy Defense Minister, General of the Army Valery Gerasimov had another phone conversation (http://tass.com/defense/995551) with Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the United States’ Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    ....
    Continues here with some discussion about Russian societal response: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-truly-hi...of-our-planet/
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    Quote I posted this elsewhere but this timeline of events seems relevant here too:
    'Q' has been saying this March was going to be significant for Trump and the
    various events/inquiries/agendas going on as well, and its has been so far....
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    I heard this morning on the latest SOTT Behind the Headlines show (here: https://media.sott.net/srn/20180325b...ripal-saga.mp3) that just before the Skripal story took place (and perhaps overlapping it in time), the UK military were holding a chemical weapons drill.... Exercise Toxic Dagger.... near Salisbury.

    There always seem to be drills ahead of psyop activities....

    Here’s the UK government story:
    Quote News story: Exercise TOXIC DAGGER - the sharp end of chemical warfare
    MoD_RSS
    40 Commando Royal Marines and The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) have staged the UK’s biggest annual exercise to prepare troops for Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) operations. Exercise TOXIC DAGGER is supported by Dstl, along with Public Health England (PHE) and The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), and is the largest exercise of its kind in the country.

    Specialists in CBRN from Dstl and AWE are able to create realistic exercise scenarios based on the latest threat information. Completing the training and exercising against these scenarios provides a challenging programme for the Royal Marines to demonstrate their proficiency in the methods to detect, assess and mitigate a CBRN threat. The three-week programme included Company-level attacks and scenarios concerning CBRN vignettes, concluding with a full-scale exercise involving government and industry scientists and more than 300 military personnel.

    Major Rob Garside, from 40 Commando Royal Marines, said:
    Working with Dstl means we have the most up-to-date information and a realistic exercise. This ensures we are well prepared for a CBRN operating environment. It is vital we can make rapid decisions and are able to protect and support specialists who come in to deal with any incident. On operations these specialists are on hand to advise and we must ensure we already have a strong understanding of their capabilities and what they require of us as a military force.


    The Dstl lead for CBRN exercises said:
    40 Commando would be first on the ground in the event of a CBRN incident. We ensure they’re up to date on the latest threats and make the exercise truly realistic. They not only have to provide a fighting force in an unstable environment, they must also be able to assess the scene and know what they’re dealing with.

    That’s where Dstl, PHE, AWE and the Defence CBRN Centre come in, as we provide the technical information the Marines require.

    Find out more about Dstl’s CBRN work (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cbr-services-programme)
    From here: https://www.navy-net.co.uk/community...arfare.169327/

    Also interesting on the SOTT programme was mention of the “coincidental” similarity of the SCL/Cambridge Analytica sales pitch at a defense industry expo and the Skripal “chemical attack”:

    Quote According to Liam O’Hare at Bella Caladonia, SCL went public in 2005 at the DSEI conference, a global arms fair in London, promoting itself as the first private company to provide psychological warfare services to the British military:

    Its ‘hard sell’ was a demonstration of how the UK government could use a sophisticated media campaign of mass deception to fool the British people into the thinking an accident at a chemical plant had occurred and threatened central London.

    Such a sales pitch is even more chilling given the recent events in Salisbury, where the alleged attempted assassination of double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia—victims of a still unidentified nerve agent—is being used by the government to stage provocations against Russia.
    From here: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../camb-m26.html

    Drills and “predictive programming” coupled with media campaign.
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    Quote Posted by Searcher (here)
    I heard this morning on the latest SOTT Behind the Headlines show (here: https://media.sott.net/srn/20180325b...ripal-saga.mp3) that just before the Skripal story took place (and perhaps overlapping it in time), the UK military were holding a chemical weapons drill.... Exercise Toxic Dagger.... near Salisbury.

    There always seem to be drills ahead of psyop activities....

    Drills and “predictive programming” coupled with media campaign.
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    This all feels contrived ...............


    President Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats



    Published on 26 Mar 2018...CNN
    President Donald Trump has ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats the
    US identified as intelligence agents and the closure of a Russian consulate in
    Seattle in response to Russia's alleged use of a nerve agent in the United Kingdom.

    ================================================== =



    Spy poisoning: Russian diplomats expelled across US and Europe
    26 minutes ago...26/3/18


    The Kremlin has been expecting a series of diplomatic expulsions in response to the
    attack .The United States and its European allies are expelling dozens of Russian
    diplomats in a co-ordinated response to the poisoning of a former Russian spy in
    the UK.US President Donald Trump has ordered 60 Russian diplomats to leave the
    country.Germany, France, Ukraine and various other EU countries have made the
    same move. Russia has indicated it will respond "proportionately".

    Russia denies any role in the attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury,
    southern England. The pair remain in a critical but stable condition in hospital
    Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova condemned the EU for
    its "perverted interpretation of solidarity" with the UK.EU leaders agreed last week
    it was highly likely Russia was behind the nerve-agent poisoning.In the US, 48 of
    the envoys to be expelled are said to be based at the Russian embassy in
    Washington and the others are at the UN in New York. It will also order the closure
    of the Russian consulate in Seattle.

    read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43545565

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    EU & US announce mass coordinated expulsion of Russian diplomats over Skripal case

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmtlqHNcr4k
    Published on 26 Mar 2018
    Fourteen members of the EU have decided to expel Russian diplomats over the
    Sergei Skripal case, meanwhile, Trump has also ordered the expulsion of 60
    Russian diplomats and the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle.

    ================================================== =


    Trump has ordered 60 Russian diplomats to leave the country - BBC News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ow3Nqflu90
    Published on 26 Mar 2018
    The United States and its European allies are expelling dozens of Russian diplomats
    in a co-ordinated response to the poisoning of a former Russian spy in the UK.
    US President Donald Trump has ordered 60 Russian diplomats to leave the country.
    The US action is also the biggest move against Russia since the Cold War era and
    the hostilities with the then Soviet Union.
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    US has been able to make “Novichok” for 20 years – Russia

    By Inessa Sinchougova
    Last updated Mar 25, 2018

    Russia has documents pointing to the fact that the US was developing the gas “Novichok”, said the head of the laboratory of chemical and analytical control of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Igor Rybalchenko.

    The expert condemned Mirzoyanov’s publication of information (original developer of the gas, who moved to the US in 1996) on the production of chemical weapons.

    Back in 1998, US specialists discovered the substance in the Spectrum Library of the National Bureau of Standards of the United States. “Now it turns out that, judging by the name of this substance, it was exactly the same” Novichok ” – also called A234″ Rybalchenko said.

    He noted that the connection was made based on the database input of information by members of the US Army Chemical Research and Development Center. Rybalchenko presented the relevant documents.

    The scientist also believes that the formulas published in the book by Mirzayanov, allows anyone who has access to chemicals to synthesize such a compound.
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    How much cross-over might there be with the suiciding of Dr. David Kelly in 2003, I wonder, and, the link to Porton Down....

    Here's Cidersomerset's post on that thread which links to the Corbett Report: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1176921.

    I don't think it's at all tenuous, but, can't produce anything concrete to support the hunch except to say that a very long finger may seem to be suggesting a little history may be repeating itself here.
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    More from Craig Murray here written on March 14th 2018. Baby Steps provided a link to Craig Murray's site, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1214317

    I've opted to post the article in full. Note the opening paragraph reference to a former colleague of Dr. David Kelly mentioned by me just now in a previous post, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1216697

    The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam

    Craig Murray, March 14th 2018

    As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.

    "In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published." (Black, 2016)

    Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry

    Yet now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.
    The world’s international chemical weapons experts share Dr Black’s opinion. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is a UN body based in the Hague. In 2013 this was the report of its Scientific Advisory Board, which included US, French, German and Russian government representatives and on which Dr Black was the UK representative:

    "[The SAB] ...emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”." (OPCW, 2013)

    OPCW: Report of the Scientific Advisory Board on developments in science and technology for the Third Review Conference 27 March 2013

    Indeed the OPCW was so sceptical of the viability of “novichoks” that it decided – with US and UK agreement – not to add them nor their alleged precursors to its banned list. In short, the scientific community broadly accepts Mirzayanov was working on “novichoks” but doubts he succeeded.

    Given that the OPCW has taken the view the evidence for the existence of “Novichoks” is dubious, if the UK actually has a sample of one it is extremely important the UK presents that sample to the OPCW. Indeed the UK has a binding treaty obligation to present that sample to OPCW. Russa has – unreported by the corporate media – entered a demand at the OPCW that Britain submit a sample of the Salisbury material for international analysis.

    Yet Britain refuses to submit it to the OPCW.

    Why?

    A second part of May’s accusation is that “Novichoks” could only be made in certain military installations. But that is also demonstrably untrue. If they exist at all, Novichoks were allegedly designed to be able to be made at bench level in any commercial chemical facility – that was a major point of them. The only real evidence for the existence of Novichoks was the testimony of the ex-Soviet scientist Mizayanov. And this is what Mirzayanov actually wrote:

    One should be mindful that the chemical components or precursors of A-232 or its binary version novichok-5 are ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides.

    Vil S. Mirzayanov, “Dismantling the Soviet/Russian Chemical Weapons Complex: An Insider’s View,” in Amy E. Smithson, Dr. Vil S. Mirzayanov, Gen Roland Lajoie, and Michael Krepon, Chemical Weapons Disarmament in Russia: Problems and Prospects, Stimson Report No. 17, October 1995, p. 21.

    It is a scientific impossibility for Porton Down to have been able to test for Russian novichoks if they have never possessed a Russian sample to compare them to. They can analyse a sample as conforming to a Mirzayanov formula, but as he published those to the world twenty years ago, that is no proof of Russian origin. If Porton Down can synthesise it, so can many others, not just the Russians.

    And finally – Mirzayanov is an Uzbek name and the novichok programme, assuming it existed, was in the Soviet Union but far away from modern Russia, at Nukus in modern Uzbekistan. I have visited the Nukus chemical weapons site myself. It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government, as I recall finishing while I was Ambassador there.

    There has in fact never been any evidence that any “novichok” ever existed in Russia itself.

    To summarise:
    • Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
    • Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.

    • The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.

    • “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.

    • The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.

    With a great many thanks to sources who cannot be named at this moment.
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    This is straight out of a cold war spy movie......It is probable that these type of
    alleged murders do go on by spy agencies as per movies and novels. But this
    is another convenient and odd confession. Many countries have assassination
    assets most famously mossad ,CIA , MI5/6 and others including Russia . The
    US has a very long culture of assassinations of all kinds just read history and
    most countries have had horrific periods of violence....


    Quote including chemicals and poison
    Retired MI5 Agent John Hopkins Confesses On His Deathbed I Killed Princess Diana
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6eTKqx9_rE
    Published on 20 Jun 2017


    Its the timing , motives and who benefits ? that make no sense here as far
    as I can see so far....

    Former KGB agent was told something bad would happen


    Published on 25 Mar 2018
    CNN's Nic Robertson speaks to a former senior KGB spy who says that
    he was warned that Sergei Skripal and his daughter were in danger.
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    Sir Ranulph Fiennes is a experienced and credible source....

    Ranulph Fiennes.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulph_Fiennes

    14 Incredible Facts About Sir Ranulph Fiennes That Make Him The Most Badass Human Ever
    https://www.storypick.com/ranulph-fiennes/

    By Vinay Devnath -
    12th January 2017

    'Boston Brakes' Assassination Using GKN
    Driveline Patent Pool on Mercedes Benz



    THE ONBOARD COMPUTER CHIP WAS MISSING FROM THE STOLEN MERCEDES!

    The onboard computer chip controls, amongst other things, navigation,
    acceleration, steering and braking of a vehicle. [Allegedly calibrated for remote
    control of the Lockheed-GKN Driveline in Boston Brakes mode]
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-13-201...
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-15-201...
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-14-201...

    Considering that Princess Diana's death was due to a car crash, the fact that the
    Mercedes S280 involved in the crash had its onboard computer chip stolen some
    days earlier (and nothing else mind you...suggesting the car-snatchers were no
    ordinary thieves) pushes the pervasive accident account onto firmer conspiracy
    territory.

    To date there actually exists a well established assassination technique from the
    1980s (developed by the British SAS) nicknamed "The Boston Brakes" which
    involves steering, braking and acceleration capability being taken over by remote
    control!

    In fact world famous explorer and former SAS officer, Sir Ranulph Fiennes did
    indeed confirm the relatively common use of this assassination method with
    particular reference to the death in England of one Major Michael Marman in a car
    accident that bears uncanny resemblance to that of Princess Diana, Dodi Fayed and
    Henri Paul.

    So what could have been the motive behind the theft of the Mercedes Benz S280
    that was involved in the Paris tunnel crash on August 31, 1997?

    ================================================== =
    ================================================== =

    Ex Mi5 Agent Annie Machon - Princess Diana Was Assassinated Because She Was
    About To Take On Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSbhFrU5DA

    ================================================== ==

    Three IRA members shot dead in Gibraltar...6 March 1988
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/...d_in_gibraltar
    Panorama Shoot to Kill 1991
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdg9-9GPeF8

    ================================================== =

    French spy who sank Greenpeace ship apologises for lethal bombing

    Jean-Luc Kister was one of a team which planted mines on the Rainbow Warrior in
    1985, killing photographer Fernando Pereira
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...lethal-bombing
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    I was going to post this earlier in the thread but waited to see how things
    would escalate, it hopefully will not go as far as a conflict even though there
    are two major friction zones in Syria the Ukraine and possibly Iran that
    could spark a major confrontation


    David has been talking about this for a long time and reposted this after the
    alleged Russian attack in Salisbury....

    PROVED RIGHT AGAIN: David Icke predicting the war on Russia and explaining why
    speaking in 2008 , 2014 , 2016 & 17


    Published on 13 Mar 2018

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

    By Vinay Devnath -
    12th January 2017

    'Boston Brakes' Assassination Using GKN
    Driveline Patent Pool on Mercedes Benz



    THE ONBOARD COMPUTER CHIP WAS MISSING FROM THE STOLEN MERCEDES!

    The onboard computer chip controls, amongst other things, navigation,
    acceleration, steering and braking of a vehicle. [Allegedly calibrated for remote
    control of the Lockheed-GKN Driveline in Boston Brakes mode]
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-13-201...
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-15-201...
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-14-201...

    Considering that Princess Diana's death was due to a car crash, the fact that the
    Mercedes S280 involved in the crash had its onboard computer chip stolen some
    days earlier (and nothing else mind you...suggesting the car-snatchers were no
    ordinary thieves) pushes the pervasive accident account onto firmer conspiracy
    territory.

    To date there actually exists a well established assassination technique from the
    1980s (developed by the British SAS) nicknamed "The Boston Brakes" which
    involves steering, braking and acceleration capability being taken over by remote
    control!

    In fact world famous explorer and former SAS officer, Sir Ranulph Fiennes did
    indeed confirm the relatively common use of this assassination method with
    particular reference to the death in England of one Major Michael Marman in a car
    accident that bears uncanny resemblance to that of Princess Diana, Dodi Fayed and
    Henri Paul.

    So what could have been the motive behind the theft of the Mercedes Benz S280
    that was involved in the Paris tunnel crash on August 31, 1997?

    ================================================== =
    ================================================== =

    Ex Mi5 Agent Annie Machon - Princess Diana Was Assassinated Because She Was
    About To Take On Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSbhFrU5DA

    ================================================== ==

    Three IRA members shot dead in Gibraltar...6 March 1988
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/...d_in_gibraltar
    Panorama Shoot to Kill 1991
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdg9-9GPeF8

    ================================================== =

    French spy who sank Greenpeace ship apologises for lethal bombing

    Jean-Luc Kister was one of a team which planted mines on the Rainbow Warrior in
    1985, killing photographer Fernando Pereira
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...lethal-bombing
    As was Uwe Barschel, german high level politician, killed 11. Oktober 1987. After he announced that he will come clean about what was happening in german politics. Killed by the Mossad. Killed on foreign soil.



    By the way now we know that a british Company (Cambridge Analytica) was influencing the american elections big time, not so much the russians. But do you hear any excuses going in the direction of Russia?

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Sir Ranulph Fiennes is a experienced and credible source....

    Ranulph Fiennes.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulph_Fiennes

    14 Incredible Facts About Sir Ranulph Fiennes That Make Him The Most Badass Human Ever
    https://www.storypick.com/ranulph-fiennes/

    By Vinay Devnath -
    12th January 2017

    'Boston Brakes' Assassination Using GKN
    Driveline Patent Pool on Mercedes Benz



    THE ONBOARD COMPUTER CHIP WAS MISSING FROM THE STOLEN MERCEDES!

    The onboard computer chip controls, amongst other things, navigation,
    acceleration, steering and braking of a vehicle. [Allegedly calibrated for remote
    control of the Lockheed-GKN Driveline in Boston Brakes mode]
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-13-201...
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-15-201...
    http://presidentialfield.com/9-14-201...

    Considering that Princess Diana's death was due to a car crash, the fact that the
    Mercedes S280 involved in the crash had its onboard computer chip stolen some
    days earlier (and nothing else mind you...suggesting the car-snatchers were no
    ordinary thieves) pushes the pervasive accident account onto firmer conspiracy
    territory.

    To date there actually exists a well established assassination technique from the
    1980s (developed by the British SAS) nicknamed "The Boston Brakes" which
    involves steering, braking and acceleration capability being taken over by remote
    control!

    In fact world famous explorer and former SAS officer, Sir Ranulph Fiennes did
    indeed confirm the relatively common use of this assassination method with
    particular reference to the death in England of one Major Michael Marman in a car
    accident that bears uncanny resemblance to that of Princess Diana, Dodi Fayed and
    Henri Paul.


    So what could have been the motive behind the theft of the Mercedes Benz S280
    that was involved in the Paris tunnel crash on August 31, 1997?

    ================================================== =
    ================================================== =

    Ex Mi5 Agent Annie Machon - Princess Diana Was Assassinated Because She Was
    About To Take On Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSbhFrU5DA

    ================================================== ==

    Three IRA members shot dead in Gibraltar...6 March 1988
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/...d_in_gibraltar
    Panorama Shoot to Kill 1991
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdg9-9GPeF8

    ================================================== =

    French spy who sank Greenpeace ship apologises for lethal bombing

    Jean-Luc Kister was one of a team which planted mines on the Rainbow Warrior in
    1985, killing photographer Fernando Pereira
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...lethal-bombing
    In the interests of accuracy, bolding above, mine, the Boston Brakes technique was not applied to Major Marmon's car, but to Sir Peter Horsley's (he of the JANUS encounter):

    The Clinic had been watching Major Michael Marman, and had determined that he frequently drove along the A303 arterial road, in Wiltshire, south-west England, on personal business.

    While doing this, he was habitually alone, and the fact that his vehicle was a relatively flimsy Citroen 2CV meant that a crash was the perfect method to kill him. Nevertheless, the Clinic dared not tamper with Marman's car or deploy a driver to ram him off the road, since their contractual obligation to make the death appear accidental would almost certainly come unstuck under the slightest police investigation. They therefore decided to use a proxy: an apparently random driver who would unknowingly become the Clinic's untraceable instrument of execution, by colliding with Marman.

    Through relatively simple research, they discovered a businessman whose offices were in Plymouth and London, and who regularly drove between the two along the A303 road. This was Air Marshal (ret'd) Sir Peter Horsley, former equerry to the Duke of Edinburgh and to the Queen, and ex-Commander in Chief of Britain's atomic strike force, who now worked for an engineering firm, ML Holdings.

    Study and surveillance showed that Sir Peter was due to drive from London to Plymouth for a board meeting on 11 November 1986, at a time which would mean he would pass Major Marman in the opposite direction along the length of the A303. The Clinic then entered Horsely's garage during the night of 10-11 November, and, over an eight-hour period, fitted a 'parasite' braking system in the cavities of his BMW, in such a way that it couldn't be seen on immediate inspection. This radio-controlled system was powered by a scuba-diving cylinder of compressed air, which would allow each of the car's brakes to be applied separately, without the control of the driver.

    The next day, having practised their technique for weeks with stock cars and models, two of the Clinic members shadowed Horsely, while keeping in radio communication with a second Clinic team, shadowing Marman. As Marman's 2CV and Horsely's BMW approached each other along the A303, the parasite braking system was applied, and Horsely lost control of his vehicle, which was steered across the central reservation and into Marman's path. the ensuing collision killed Marman outright, and severely injured Horsely. Horsely was initially under suspicion of reckless driving, but fortunately had a witness who had been driving behind him, who testified that he had seen a puff of smoke emerge from the rear of Horsely's car immediately before he lost control: at inquest, the local coroner said the accident would remain unexplained. The more definitely so, since the Clinic's parasite brake-system had been secretly removed after the accident while the BMW was impounded at the police garage facility. The Feather Men, who failed to prevent this assassination, ultimately learned exactly how this scenario unfolded when they captured and interrogated the Clinic's chief assassin.

    If this scenario sounds incredible, one should bear in mind that the Chief Feather Man, SAS Commander Tommy MacPherson, allowed his name to be used in Fiennes's book, and revealed that part of the proceeds from sales had gone to the SAS Jubilee Fund. The Clinic's unwitting 'guided missile', Sir Peter Horsely --very much a real person -- recounts his side of this grotesque episode in his 1998 autobiography, Sounds From Another Room. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staged_Vehicle_Accident

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