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    Default What That Tiny, Pointy-Headed Skeleton Really Is

    A mummified specimen from Chile's Atacama region fueled speculation for
    a decade about its peculiar skull.

    A tiny, pointy-headed skeleton that fits in the palm of a hand isn't an alien, despite conspiracy theories that have circulated for years.

    The skeleton, with a dramatically elongated skull and an underdeveloped jaw and face, was uncovered in Chile's Atacama Desert in 2003, and mystified scientists when it was first found.

    Research published in 2013 offered some clues about the skeleton's bizarre appearance, but five additional years of genetic analysis have provided even more answers. Examination of the skeleton's entire genome revealed that it was Chilean and female, and that its misshapen skull and other deformities might be linked to a host of genetic mutations that affect bone development. Together, those mutations shaped an array of abnormalities that gave the remains an alien-like form.

    Though the skeleton is the size of a 22-week-old fetus, it was initially thought to be a 6- to 8-year-old child with severe deformities. Nearly a decade later, a highly detailed analysis — including X-rays, computed tomography (CT) scans and DNA sequencing — showed that it was a fetus (and that it was definitely human).

    It's hard to tell how old the skeleton is just by looking at it, but prior examinations found it to be about 40 years old, scientists explained in a new study. Despite the skeleton's minuscule size, previous analysis cast doubt on whether it was a fetus because its "advanced bone age" more closely resembled that of a young child, particularly in the structure of the skeleton's skull, with sutures that were already fused.

    But that feature was a byproduct of a genetic mutation — one of many that caused its numerous skeletal deformities. And, in fact, the premature fusing of skull plates in the fetus is what gave the skull its pointed shape, the researchers reported.

    The scientists extracted DNA from one of the skeleton's ribs — another anomaly that previously had fueled speculation about alien origins, as there were 10 pairs, rather than the 12 normally found in humans.

    However, alien hunters will likely be disappointed to hear that "the specimen is shown here to have a purely earthly origin," the study authors reported.
    Genetic anomalies, not extraterrestrial DNA
    While the scientists found no evidence of alien DNA, they did find mutations in seven of the fetus's genes: COL1A1, COL2A1, KMT2D, FLNB, ATR, TRIP11 and PCNT. Mutations in these genes are known to play roles in premature joint fusion, abnormalities in rib development, malformed skulls, and diseases that inhibit the development of bone and cartilage, according to the study.

    Taken together, the mutations expressed by these genes would explain all of the fetus's skeletal abnormalities, the scientists concluded. However, finding so many mutations that specifically affect skeletal development is unusual; in fact, it's never been reported before, and it is unknown what triggered this cascade of mutations, study lead author Garry Nolan, a professor of microbiology and immunology at Stanford University.

    As bizarre as this skeleton may appear, it isn't the first example of remains that look mostly human but nevertheless invite comparisons to popular images of creatures from science fiction.

    In 1999, excavations in a 1,000-year-old cemetery in Mexico yielded 13 human skeletons — many of them children — with skulls that were stretched and pointed in the back, bearing a distinctly alien appearance. But researchers determined that the skulls' unusual shapes stemmed from cultural practices that deliberately deformed the bone, similar to those seen in pre-Hispanic cultures in Central America.

    And 14 elongated, alien-like skulls in Bavarian graves dating to 1,500 years ago also were traced to cultural practices of cranial shaping, this time in tribes from southeastern Europe, Live Science previously reported.

    However, five so-called "alien mummies" from Peru — mummified humanoids with three-fingered hands — were widely denounced by experts as fabrications, perhaps even cobbled together from looted body parts belonging to real human remains. [In Photos: 'Alien' Skulls Reveal Odd, Ancient Tradition]

    Genes working together

    The bigger story is not about the skeleton's debunked "alien" origins but what its analysis reveals about how genes shape our skeletons as they develop and grow, and how they interact with each other to do so — successfully or not, Nolan told Live Science in an email.

    "The era of single gene/single disease is just about over — it's now time to look at the more subtle effects when genes interact," Nolan wrote. "In isolation, a gene might have no effect ... but combined with other genes, the outcomes can be dramatic."

    The idea of gene collaboration is not new to geneticists; it has been well studied for years in models derived from fruit flies, plants and yeasts, Nolan said. But now, researchers are compiling enough data to understand these genetic interactions in humans, and are exploring how they affect our biology.

    "These studies show that certain gene mutations can 'vote' towards a given body plan or disease," Nolan said.

    And the new study's findings about genetic control of bone development could help researchers reverse-engineer solutions to disorders that affect how bones grow, Nolan told Live Science in an email.

    "Deeper knowledge about bone growth disorders will point to how normal growth must develop," he said. "It might offer understandings of how we can (say, with drugs) stimulate bone growth in cases of catastrophic accidents to help patients."




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    "...While the scientists found no evidence of alien DNA, they did find mutations in seven of the fetus's genes..."

    So can one explain how it is that these scientists KNOW what the differences between alien DNA and mutations are to claim that it is not alien????
    Also, they admit that they have never seen such mutations and in such numbers.
    How does one account for that?

    It is so easy to dismiss these things and claim that "...Nothing to see here...move along..."
    But in reality, this little skeleton is a treasure trove of bio-engineering know-how.

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    I don't know too much about this, nor about genetics, so this is all from a limited perspective, but I don't buy what the headline claims, necessarily. As you mentioned, Intra, there are simply too many remarkable mysteries to this thing.

    Just because it doesn't have tentacles sprouting out of its head does not mean it isn't non-human. Especially if you take the supposed idea that humans are not native to this Earth, then it just adds to the whole mystery.

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    It's fascinating really, not that they would have released anything "anomalous" anyway, still. When you read the article they mention those 3 fingered ones found, never bought that one, not surprised it's a fabrication (again!). What annoys me about these People is that they quickly sneer at the Elongated ones (let's call 'm the "normal" ones) with cranial deformation, I mean ok, could be the case, it's been done, although one has to wonder about the coincidence since the little girl has one as well, that set aside.

    What gets to me about the sneer towards those deformed cranial finds is simply the fact that Brien Foerster has been working on those for a long time now, not really any mainstream (read "prominent") researcher wanted to do some serious looking into it. Not one single mainstream newspaper (well over here anyway) has reported on his latest findings, yet, this one (the little girl) goes out to mainstream, including the side remark about those elongated skulls being the result of cranial deformation, I mean really, that's some serious manipulative debunking effort on Brien Foerster's research. These People with their little schemes sicken me!

    If they were on the money, they would have jumped all over Foerster's findings (well, you know, not really jumping, although perhaps they would now for different reasons) and make it public, but they didn't, so now I can't take their findings (besides the remark on the 3 fingered ones) from this article serious at all, I really can't! See in Brien Foerster's quest they found some serious growth anomalies in Children with genuine Elongated Skulls as well, not in the Adults.

    What a rabbit hole... lol...

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    Going by the look of the body, it's kind of obvious that it's an alien - despite the B.S. of the scientists who analyized it.
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    "Senior author Garry Nolan, professor of microbiology and immunology at Stanford University School of Medicine, said "a relatively short list of mutations in genes known previously to be associated with bone development" were found in genes related to dwarfism, scoliosis, and musculoskeletal abnormalities.

    Some were previously known to scientists but others were not."

    So 10 sets of ribs instead of 12 as well as other "unknown abnormalities" ( that are now normal having been found for the first time )

    https://news.sky.com/story/ata-the-a...ities-11300996

    Yes human DNA - but we need to wake up to the facts of where "we" are all from in the first place and how our dna has changed - and why ( or by whom) !

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    Whoa... that really puts the size into perspective. Now I tend more to think it probably is a weird little alien that scientists say has "human DNA"

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    I do recall watching a video here on Avalon about a woman in Russia who found something like this out in her woods, took it home & cared for it. However, when word got out the "authorities" came & took it away from her. Don't know if it was this same exact type of being, but it was small.

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    ... gnomes... gremlins... trolls... leprechauns... goblins... Kobolds... elves... sprites... yep! Damn aliens! All of 'em!
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    My guess is that all alien humanoid DNA could be categorised as "human with lots of mutations" ... duh!
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    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    I do recall watching a video here on Avalon about a woman in Russia who found something like this out in her woods, took it home & cared for it. However, when word got out the "authorities" came & took it away from her. Don't know if it was this same exact type of being, but it was small.
    Was it this?

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post750708

    Extract from the Pravda article:
    Russian geneticists to reveal alien’s DNA mystery

    Scientists may soon unravel the mystery of the “Uralian alien,” a tiny creature found near the town of Kyshtym in the Urals. Scientists carried out five series of laboratory studies investigating the DNA samples of the creature’s biological material.

    The latest study conducted by a Moscow-based Institute of Forensic Medicine produced sensational results.

    “A gene discovered in the DNA samples doesn’t correspond with any genes pertaining to humans or anthropoid apes,” said Vadim Chernobrov, a coordinator with the public research center Kosmopoisk. “No gene samples available at the laboratory match the gene. The experts in DNA research haven’t come across any creatures with such an elongated DNA molecule,” Chernobrov added.

    Scientists have been looking for an explanation of the Kyshtym phenomenon for more than ten years. The story began in the summer of 1996 after a miniature creature was found in the Chelyabinsk region. The find was soon dubbed the “Kyshtym alien.” A local medical examiner who performed an autopsy concluded that the dead body was neither human nor animal in nature.

    Ufologists regarded the Kyshtym dwarf as a clear-cut case of the extraterrestrial. The clergy believe the dwarf was a demon. The creature was still alive when it was found by an old and barely literate woman. She was the only one who gave the dwarf a human name – Alioshenka (a diminutive of the Russian name “Alexei” – ed. note).

    The dwarf from Kyshtym did not do any harm to anybody while he was in the land of the living. Some really weird things began to happen following the death of the creature. The old lady, a “godmother” of Alioshenka the Alien, died in a hit-and-run accident. The woman was knocked down by a car just a few days before a team of researchers arrived in the town from Moscow.

    The body of the dwarf vanished without a trace. An investigator assigned to the case is reported to have handed the corpse to some perpetrators who walked off with it. A Japanese TV crew arrived in Kyshtym to do a documentary on Alioshenka. The Japanese posted a reward of $200,000 for information on the whereabouts of the stolen creature. However, their attempts to locate the body of the dwarf ended in failure. A minute piece of the dead body was the only hard evidence the Japanese somehow managed to recover. The Japanese displayed the object for the benefit of the cameras.

    Academician Mark Milkhiker looked into the Kyshtym phenomenon on location. He carefully examined the area in which the dwarf was found. Milkhiker fell seriously ill shortly after he returned to Moscow. He died of a sudden heart attack while in hospital.

    The above Vadim Chernobrov was also taken ill four years after the discovery of the dwarf. A mysterious disease paralyzed him from the waist down. Doctors were unable to explain the cause of his disease. It was Chernobrov who found a piece of fabric used by the old lady for wrapping around the dwarf on the day she found him.

    Were all those misfortunes a coincidence? Did the alien really put a curse on everyone who tried to solve his mystery?

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    Hey Skywizard good to see you are back with a history topic. Where have you been I have missed your history contributions on the forum here, the bright spot in my day.

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    Looks like that is what I remembered, Bill. A very curious happening!

    Just remembered it might have been on the History Channel!
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    While exploring you tube sites which included the one spoken of above, I happened upon sites showing tiny flying saucers found in Siberia, 4 feet in diameter, etc. There were reportedly many of them. Now how tiny do you think those occupants had to be to fly those things? The neighboring site showed a map of UFO sightings in Russia. One look told me that the underground of Russia was crawling with these Aliens, Tiny Beings, Tiny Humans or whatever you wish to call them. Tiny human creatures flying craft have been reported by many, including those living in Ireland. If you believe that our Universe replicates forms and time lines in ever smaller forms than ours and in ever larger forms than ours and you also believe in the possibility of crossing dimensions, then when a form leaves its dimension and visits ours, it will bring its larger or smaller form with it.

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    Quote Posted by amor (here)
    While exploring you tube sites which included the one spoken of above, I happened upon sites showing tiny flying saucers found in Siberia, 4 feet in diameter, etc. There were reportedly many of them. Now how tiny do you think those occupants had to be to fly those things? The neighboring site showed a map of UFO sightings in Russia. One look told me that the underground of Russia was crawling with these Aliens, Tiny Beings, Tiny Humans or whatever you wish to call them. Tiny human creatures flying craft have been reported by many, including those living in Ireland. If you believe that our Universe replicates forms and time lines in ever smaller forms than ours and in ever larger forms than ours and you also believe in the possibility of crossing dimensions, then when a form leaves its dimension and visits ours, it will bring its larger or smaller form with it.
    Interesting you mention this, amor. If we recall the large meteorite crashing, filmed from a dash cam in Russia a few years ago, the "conspiracy" angle to that was similar, ie it was a ship, with small alien pilots. Hundreds of Russian troops were allegedly sent out to recover the "debris" - unusual if it were just a "space rock". As Hervé has noted (above), one must also consider the origins of ancient myths of faeries and other little "beings"? (ahhh Elves included... )
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