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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

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    @ Paul ...this is not meant to be hurtful but your track record on financial collapse is not good
    I absolutely agree .

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Find as many websites offering free bets when you sign up and you could turn your 200 into 800 straight away, and walk away with £2000 should trump win his second term.

    That’s exactly what I did in Trumps first election anyway. Trumps win paid for a very good Christmas that year.
    Yes, it'd certainly give me a double reason to celebrate in November of 2020. I should have bet in 2016 as well, but it just wasn't something that was even on my radar.

    I'll check out the fine print on Bovada, but I know that they do offer bonuses for signing up. I'll probably wait for the upcoming bout of drama, to see that there are no runs on the bank or anything like that, that might throw a wrench into things during this financial reset, and I think the Democrats will cause a big scene in the House that will cause the payout for betting on Trump to go up even more.

    It's even possible that the House votes for impeachment by a slim majority, but the odds of the Senate ever actually carrying it out with a Republican majority are zero. I bet it would drive the payout way up beyond the current 3/2 odds for him being the next president though, all literally at the expense of the "the resistance."

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    Dave Janda, Greg Hunter – Hammer of Justice Falls in 2019
    12/29/18
    Published on Dec 29, 2018

    "Host of the popular radio show “Operation Freedom” Dr. Dave Janda warns about the massive debt problems the world is facing and the coming economic reset. Dr. Janda says Trump is correct when he says, “The real problem is the Fed and not China.” Janda says the Deep State “rigged the economy to implode” with massive amounts of debt. Dr. Janda says, “Trump has been buying time” to put the American people in the best position possible when it all comes down. Dr. Janda says the economic system is “vapor” and contends, “This is all part of the war we are in right now.”
    Don’t worry because Janda says, “The hammer of justice will fall in 2019.”
    Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Dr. Dave Janda, host of “Operation Freedom.” "

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    I'm surprised that nobody has posted that after Xmas we had the biggest ever one day rise in the Dow - over 1,000 points. Now it stands at just over 23,000.

    Of course, while 1,000 points may be the biggest ever it is not the largest percentage rise because back in the days when it was 5,000 a mere 250 points would have been bigger...

    But the nail is certainly in the coffin for a collapse in 2018.

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    Can't access it now, but I have seen { on G.A., I think it was... ) that DJT has signed the Order for the Dissolution of the FED...

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    What is G.A. Frenchy?
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    Can't access it now, but I have seen { on G.A., I think it was... ) that DJT has signed the Order for the Dissolution of the FED...
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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    From the Qanon posts thread:
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    However ... I expect that the deep state will retaliate with a global economic, financial, and monetary collapse, the likes of which we have not seen in centuries, at least.

    The "blame game" for who is at fault for that collapse will be an intense, lengthy battle.
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Dave Janda, Greg Hunter – Hammer of Justice Falls in 2019
    ...
    Dr. Janda says, “Trump has been buying time” to put the American people in the best position possible when it all comes down.
    ...
    Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpxTyCnkYm0
    Dave Janda discusses the financial situation at some length, between the 1:23:54 and 1:33:47 marks of this interview with Greg Hunter.

    While listening to these ten minutes of the interview, I realized two things that I had not realized before.
    • Trump surely realized early on, perhaps as Dave Janda suspects in that famous early post-election meeting with Obama, that the American and world finances and economies were rigged to "blow up real good". The bastards in power behind the banksters were well along in setting one of the worst economic collapses ever.
    • Trump, an expert when it comes to money, negotiating, and power plays, decided early on, and has successfully, bought some time, so that he can reduce the harm that this coming economic collapse will have on the people of America and the world.
    At the 1:29:03 mark, Janda imagines Trump saying the following to the globalist bankers, such as Gary Cohn, Steve Mnuchin, and Wilbur Ross, that he is bringing in, from Wall Street, to his administration, early in his Presidency:
    Quote Look you're on the Titanic, we already hit the iceberg all people don't know about it yet and you know what you're not leaving this boat, okay?

    And I'm holding you guys hostage and I'm holding every every entity that you're associated with hostage and what we're gonna do is we're gonna buy time. We're gonna buy time so that I can negotiate something with the creditors of our debt so that when this thing comes down and we know it's built to come down.

    We know it's just kind of like building seven, it's rigged to implode.

    We know this is how it's been rigged, the charge has already been set, so what I need to do is I need to buy time and I need to make it so that when this occurs hundreds of millions of people are not going to be devastated and we have to make it so that the world doesn't blow up when this comes down and you're gonna help me do it.
    That says about as clearly as can be what Dave Janda figures that Trump decided to do, two years ago, and what he's apparently been doing, since then, on this matter.

    The devastating global economic, financial, and monetary collapse will not be as devastating as the globalists intended and as I had been forecasting, because Trump has spent the last two years, and some of his leverage, making it so that millions of people will not be devastated.

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    This Fiat money game is very strange. So the stock market collapses and billions of dollars 'disappear' meaning that investors can't cash in as much money. Now this is supposed to be bad?

    In fact, no money has disappeared at all - just the value of stocks and shares. The money is still there and what's more it is now available for general circulation rather than the investors. So this is surely a good thing?

    Currencies fall but so what? If they all fall then relative to one another then they are effectively the same as before so nothing changes for imports and exports. It only matters if one currencies collapses relative to another and that other had net imports.

    So, what exactly is an economic collapse because no money disappears? Yes, I know it's about circulation and a dollar circulated is worth more than a dollar sitting still (crazy eh?).

    Reminds me of the story where a guy goes into a hotel, puts a $100 bill on the desk and says, 'Can I go up and look at a room before I confirm my booking?'. So he goes up...

    The hotel owner takes the money, runs next door and pays the baker the $100 he owes for bread. The baker runs and pays the prostitute the $100 her owes her. She runs to the hotel and pays the owner the $100 she owes him for room rental.

    The man comes back down, takes his $100 and says, 'No, I don't like the room'.

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

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    This Fiat money game is very strange. So the stock market collapses and billions of dollars 'disappear' meaning that investors can't cash in as much money. Now this is supposed to be bad?

    In fact, no money has disappeared at all - just the value of stocks and shares. The money is still there and what's more it is now available for general circulation rather than the investors. So this is surely a good thing?
    Thinking of "money" as some incompressible quantity of something that is traded back and forth for goods and services is thinking that will lead one's mind astray.

    "Modern day" money lacks relatively stable long term quantity, and is not a barterable item of reliable conversion value for "stuff", goods and services.

    Rather modern money is a pair of promises, spread over time, between parties of unequal power and unequal integrity.

    When a powerful, lying, bastard who controls the courts, armies, police, governments, corporations and our major communication (aka "news") channels promises to pay you X units of goods and services (where they even control the measure of those units itself ... think "inflation") some ten or twenty or thirty years from now, in exchange for you paying them X units of goods and services now ... you've been screwed.

    The problem with debt money, and its cousin, socialism, is that the "little man" (you and me) loses coming and going.

    When the stronger party in such a transaction (this now for that then) feels like it, they can just say "Sorry, no have." Sorry, your pension plan is broke. Sorry, your bank savings are confiscated. Sorry, your expected social benefits are worth less than promised. Sorry, your retirement savings were in stocks and bonds that just crashed. Sorry, that home you had that you thought had appreciated in value several times ... just depreciated back down (or, if you're a conspiracy minded Californian, just got burned down.) Sorry, that education you borrowed so much for is worth a job flipping hamburgers (until some robot takes that job too.)

    When the weaker party in such a transaction has trouble making their payments, then the collateral is taken instead, or except in minor cases, some other pound of flesh is extracted. Nations are lost, lovely wives and daughters lost, land, tools and liberty are lost. The morality of the powerful lender to the weaker borrower: it would be immoral to let a defaulting borrower off without extracting some penalty that will fully compensate the lender, or at least put the fear of the "Gods" in the hearts of any other such borrowers who might also be inclined, or forced, to default.

    Neither a borrower nor a lender be, at least not in such unfair arrangements.

    Well, unless one goes totally off-grid, that's practically impossible in today's world.

    So, at least be as prepared as one can practically be for all that more powerful parties, governments (social benefits), corporations (insurance pay-outs, pension benefits, ...), and major controlled (stock, bond, real estate, ...) markets might have "promised" in the future to come to naught, or much less anyway, and be as prepared as possible for hard times when one's future income stream can no longer afford one's present level of debt payments (which includes tax and rent payments, as those are usually in essence just the debt payments of more powerful parties that have been pushed down on to you.)

    That's the problem with entering into such relations with more powerful entities. They get what they think is coming to them one way or another, while choosing when and if and to what extent and by what means to return what was promised us, all the while teaching the masses through their schools, news media and organized religions that this "is good" and that this is as it should be ... and if there's any dispute, their courts and judges arbitrate the matter. All this is legislated, regulated, prosecuted, and penalized in accordance with their governments, courts, police and armies.

    For a few, more hardy than I, the answer may be "off grid." For many of us, I figure, the answer is "think small". Keep as much of one's life, hopefully a sufficient amount to sustain it, "small and local", with people, tools, shelter, skills and other relations and dependencies that one has on hand or that are between other ordinary people, on a reasonably fair and honest basis, over time. Always, so much as one can anyway, have a plan for when and if some "big" institution or some "big" person who controls such institutions, goes back on their word, returning less of real value and demanding more.

    In short, the present value of money or the quantity of money in circulation, are not the issue. It is the future value of promises and expectations, between parties of dramatically unequal power and morality. Money, both what you think you have and what you think you owe, manifest in a wide variety of ways, is but the "hydraulic fluid" that conveys the pressures of these unfair demands and unmet expectations, over time and place.

    The advice to "follow the money" is about as useful as trying to understand a construction project by following the hydraulic fluids in the cranes, bulldozers, backhoes, and forklifts. You can see what's moving about (well, actually, you can only estimate the weight and movement of such) that way, and where to and from, in the present moment. But you cannot directly see who or what powerful persons or entities said what to whom, behind the scenes, that led to that construction or that will determine its effects on ordinary humans, there and elsewhere, now and in the future.

    Debt-money (money issued as a pair of balancing credits and debits: you get this now in return for that later) is the hydraulic fluid of our civilization.

    Debt-money is in and of itself neither good nor bad. It's just a tool for transferring value across space, time and persons.

    But like gun powder, debt-money is an amazingly useful tool in the hands of the more powerful, less moral.

    Note that "debt-money" includes taxes paid to a socialist government - you or your family or your community are "promised" future benefits in return for present taxes.

    "Debt-money" has also come to include college degrees. You give away some of the best years of your life and take on large amounts of debt, in return for a diploma and credentials that promise higher income, in "better" jobs, with more status and security, in the future.

    Avoid, where possible, entering into relationships that depend on the future actions of more powerful, better armed, less honest entities than one's self.

    Have backup plans in mind, when one has to, or decides to, enter into such relationships anyway, for when and if those relationships go sour. They will, at the most inopportune times.
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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    P.S. -- I forgot about this, as I don't directly participate in conventional medicine. I pay for no health insurance. I visit no doctor and I take no prescription medications. Fortunately, I don't get sick. I am my own doctor, and food is my medicine. Perhaps that explains in part why I don't get sick.

    However the rather substantial amounts that most people in Western Civilization pay for medical care, including the insurance costs their employer pays, the taxes they and their employer pays, and the more direct payments to insurance, doctors, hospitals and laboratories ... these too are a form of "debt-money", that consumes a substantial portion of our present "economy".

    One is (directly or indirectly) paying now, for the promise (ill-kept) of health in the future.

    The result in America is that "health care", along with governing, military, and financial services, is one of the largest "industries" in America, while Americans are among the sickest people in the "advanced" nations.
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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    Suture self, Paul!

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

    Stock market on the verge of panic-like buying as Dow surges nearly 700 points

    Published: Jan 4, 2019 11:47 a.m. ET

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    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...raction./page6

    A more than 600-point gain in the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, +2.82% and a surge in the Nasdaq Composite Index COMP, +3.75% late-morning Friday has put the equity market on the brink of seeing panic-like buying take hold. The moves come on the back of dovish comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell during a panel discussion with his predecessors in Atlanta. The Arms Index, a volume-weighted measure of breadth, tends to decline below 1.000 on broader-market rallies, as volume in advancing shares tends to increased disproportionately to volume in declining shares. When the Arms falls below 0.500, many consider a sign of panic buying. The Dow was up 613 points at 23,298. The Dow was up by as many as 691 points at its Friday peak at 23,377.69. Meanwhile, the S&P 500 index SPX, +2.91% rose 2.8% at 2,517, while the Nasdaq was climbing 3.7% at 6,698. Those gains saw the NYSE Arms hit 0.555 (and slightly lower), while the Nasdaq Arms is at 0.827. The number of advancing stocks outnumbered decliners by a ratio of 9 to 1 on the NYSE, with volume in advancing stocks was about 90% of total volume on the NYSE. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said Friday he's flexible about future monetary policy moves, proving some comfort to investors that have grown anxious about the rate-hike path of the central bank as signs of slack in the global economy appeared to mount. n a moderated discussion at the American Economics Association meeting in Atlanta, Powell said: "We will be patient as we watch to see how the economy evolves." Markets were already on an upswing after an official read of employment showed that a better-than-expected 312,000 jobs were created in December.


    P.S. Another Sign:


    Powell says he would not resign if asked by the president

    Published: Jan 4, 2019 10:35 a.m. ET
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    Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said he would not resign if asked by President Donald Trump. Speaking next to his predecessors Janet Yellen and Ben Bernanke, Powell said at an American Economic Association conference in Atlanta that he does not yet have a meeting scheduled with Trump, as some reports have suggested is imminent. Powell did say that previous presidents have met with Fed chairmen. Trump has frequently criticized Powell in both interviews and tweets over the Fed's interest-rate hikes.
    __________________________________________

    An interesting point is Trump would not ask him to resign and he ( Powell ) knows this. Trump would have to go thru another break in period with a new hider he wouldn't risk it now that Powell is where he needs to be on rates.
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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

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    This Fiat money game is very strange. So the stock market collapses and billions of dollars 'disappear' meaning that investors can't cash in as much money. Now this is supposed to be bad?

    In fact, no money has disappeared at all - just the value of stocks and shares. The money is still there and what's more it is now available for general circulation rather than the investors. So this is surely a good thing?

    Currencies fall but so what? If they all fall then relative to one another then they are effectively the same as before so nothing changes for imports and exports. It only matters if one currencies collapses relative to another and that other had net imports.

    So, what exactly is an economic collapse because no money disappears? Yes, I know it's about circulation and a dollar circulated is worth more than a dollar sitting still (crazy eh?).

    Reminds me of the story where a guy goes into a hotel, puts a $100 bill on the desk and says, 'Can I go up and look at a room before I confirm my booking?'. So he goes up...

    The hotel owner takes the money, runs next door and pays the baker the $100 he owes for bread. The baker runs and pays the prostitute the $100 her owes her. She runs to the hotel and pays the owner the $100 she owes him for room rental.

    The man comes back down, takes his $100 and says, 'No, I don't like the room'.
    How do you think lending institutions would react if their stock values plummet? They become very cautious and hesitate to extend loans. At any time this would be difficult but in an economy run on high rates of personal and corporate debt, it's ruinous.

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

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    From the Qanon posts thread:
    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    However ... I expect that the deep state will retaliate with a global economic, financial, and monetary collapse, the likes of which we have not seen in centuries, at least.

    The "blame game" for who is at fault for that collapse will be an intense, lengthy battle.
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Dave Janda, Greg Hunter – Hammer of Justice Falls in 2019
    ...
    Dr. Janda says, “Trump has been buying time” to put the American people in the best position possible when it all comes down.
    ...
    Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpxTyCnkYm0
    Dave Janda discusses the financial situation at some length, between the 1:23:54 and 1:33:47 marks of this interview with Greg Hunter.

    While listening to these ten minutes of the interview, I realized two things that I had not realized before.
    • Trump surely realized early on, perhaps as Dave Janda suspects in that famous early post-election meeting with Obama, that the American and world finances and economies were rigged to "blow up real good". The bastards in power behind the banksters were well along in setting one of the worst economic collapses ever.
    • Trump, an expert when it comes to money, negotiating, and power plays, decided early on, and has successfully, bought some time, so that he can reduce the harm that this coming economic collapse will have on the people of America and the world.
    At the 1:29:03 mark, Janda imagines Trump saying the following to the globalist bankers, such as Gary Cohn, Steve Mnuchin, and Wilbur Ross, that he is bringing in, from Wall Street, to his administration, early in his Presidency:
    Quote Look you're on the Titanic, we already hit the iceberg all people don't know about it yet and you know what you're not leaving this boat, okay?

    And I'm holding you guys hostage and I'm holding every every entity that you're associated with hostage and what we're gonna do is we're gonna buy time. We're gonna buy time so that I can negotiate something with the creditors of our debt so that when this thing comes down and we know it's built to come down.

    We know it's just kind of like building seven, it's rigged to implode.

    We know this is how it's been rigged, the charge has already been set, so what I need to do is I need to buy time and I need to make it so that when this occurs hundreds of millions of people are not going to be devastated and we have to make it so that the world doesn't blow up when this comes down and you're gonna help me do it.
    That says about as clearly as can be what Dave Janda figures that Trump decided to do, two years ago, and what he's apparently been doing, since then, on this matter.

    The devastating global economic, financial, and monetary collapse will not be as devastating as the globalists intended and as I had been forecasting, because Trump has spent the last two years, and some of his leverage, making it so that millions of people will not be devastated.
    Hi Paul,

    With all due respect, I would like to hear your take on Q post "The Brave New World" and Trump pushing on RFID and 5G.

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    Default Re: Forecast: Great Global Depression begins 2018; Trump and Euro skeptics will be blamed. Qanon is part of the distraction.

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    Quote Posted by 5th (here)
    This Fiat money game is very strange. So the stock market collapses and billions of dollars 'disappear' meaning that investors can't cash in as much money. Now this is supposed to be bad?

    In fact, no money has disappeared at all - just the value of stocks and shares. The money is still there and what's more it is now available for general circulation rather than the investors. So this is surely a good thing?
    Thinking of "money" as some incompressible quantity of something that is traded back and forth for goods and services is thinking that will lead one's mind astray.

    "Modern day" money lacks relatively stable long term quantity, and is not a barterable item of reliable conversion value for "stuff", goods and services.

    Rather modern money is a pair of promises, spread over time, between parties of unequal power and unequal integrity.

    When a powerful, lying, bastard who controls the courts, armies, police, governments, corporations and our major communication (aka "news") channels promises to pay you X units of goods and services (where they even control the measure of those units itself ... think "inflation") some ten or twenty or thirty years from now, in exchange for you paying them X units of goods and services now ... you've been screwed.

    The problem with debt money, and its cousin, socialism, is that the "little man" (you and me) loses coming and going.

    When the stronger party in such a transaction (this now for that then) feels like it, they can just say "Sorry, no have." Sorry, your pension plan is broke. Sorry, your bank savings are confiscated. Sorry, your expected social benefits are worth less than promised. Sorry, your retirement savings were in stocks and bonds that just crashed. Sorry, that home you had that you thought had appreciated in value several times ... just depreciated back down (or, if you're a conspiracy minded Californian, just got burned down.) Sorry, that education you borrowed so much for is worth a job flipping hamburgers (until some robot takes that job too.)

    When the weaker party in such a transaction has trouble making their payments, then the collateral is taken instead, or except in minor cases, some other pound of flesh is extracted. Nations are lost, lovely wives and daughters lost, land, tools and liberty are lost. The morality of the powerful lender to the weaker borrower: it would be immoral to let a defaulting borrower off without extracting some penalty that will fully compensate the lender, or at least put the fear of the "Gods" in the hearts of any other such borrowers who might also be inclined, or forced, to default.

    Neither a borrower nor a lender be, at least not in such unfair arrangements.

    Well, unless one goes totally off-grid, that's practically impossible in today's world.

    So, at least be as prepared as one can practically be for all that more powerful parties, governments (social benefits), corporations (insurance pay-outs, pension benefits, ...), and major controlled (stock, bond, real estate, ...) markets might have "promised" in the future to come to naught, or much less anyway, and be as prepared as possible for hard times when one's future income stream can no longer afford one's present level of debt payments (which includes tax and rent payments, as those are usually in essence just the debt payments of more powerful parties that have been pushed down on to you.)

    That's the problem with entering into such relations with more powerful entities. They get what they think is coming to them one way or another, while choosing when and if and to what extent and by what means to return what was promised us, all the while teaching the masses through their schools, news media and organized religions that this "is good" and that this is as it should be ... and if there's any dispute, their courts and judges arbitrate the matter. All this is legislated, regulated, prosecuted, and penalized in accordance with their governments, courts, police and armies.

    For a few, more hardy than I, the answer may be "off grid." For many of us, I figure, the answer is "think small". Keep as much of one's life, hopefully a sufficient amount to sustain it, "small and local", with people, tools, shelter, skills and other relations and dependencies that one has on hand or that are between other ordinary people, on a reasonably fair and honest basis, over time. Always, so much as one can anyway, have a plan for when and if some "big" institution or some "big" person who controls such institutions, goes back on their word, returning less of real value and demanding more.

    In short, the present value of money or the quantity of money in circulation, are not the issue. It is the future value of promises and expectations, between parties of dramatically unequal power and morality. Money, both what you think you have and what you think you owe, manifest in a wide variety of ways, is but the "hydraulic fluid" that conveys the pressures of these unfair demands and unmet expectations, over time and place.

    The advice to "follow the money" is about as useful as trying to understand a construction project by following the hydraulic fluids in the cranes, bulldozers, backhoes, and forklifts. You can see what's moving about (well, actually, you can only estimate the weight and movement of such) that way, and where to and from, in the present moment. But you cannot directly see who or what powerful persons or entities said what to whom, behind the scenes, that led to that construction or that will determine its effects on ordinary humans, there and elsewhere, now and in the future.

    Debt-money (money issued as a pair of balancing credits and debits: you get this now in return for that later) is the hydraulic fluid of our civilization.

    Debt-money is in and of itself neither good nor bad. It's just a tool for transferring value across space, time and persons.

    But like gun powder, debt-money is an amazingly useful tool in the hands of the more powerful, less moral.

    Note that "debt-money" includes taxes paid to a socialist government - you or your family or your community are "promised" future benefits in return for present taxes.

    "Debt-money" has also come to include college degrees. You give away some of the best years of your life and take on large amounts of debt, in return for a diploma and credentials that promise higher income, in "better" jobs, with more status and security, in the future.

    Avoid, where possible, entering into relationships that depend on the future actions of more powerful, better armed, less honest entities than one's self.

    Have backup plans in mind, when one has to, or decides to, enter into such relationships anyway, for when and if those relationships go sour. They will, at the most inopportune times.
    In case anyone is interested in learning what Money is from the Fed of Chicago.

    http://www.rayservers.com/images/Mod...yMechanics.pdf

    Worth your time.

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    If Trump is pushing for 5G and RFID chipping, how could anyone NOT conclude that he is part of the NWO?
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    Where is this NWO , onawah ? Is it a company ? Whom are its registered members ? Has it a CEO , Chairperson or Spokesperson ? etc etc
    Or does membership consist of people you want to arbitrarily assign to it, to flavour the discussion of the moment ?
    Quite separately, 5G etc is an entirely different and unrelated matter which might be agenda for some of your elusive NWO members but might also comprise OK and ordinary people who do not see problems with 5G etc .Rightly or mistakenly .
    Have you evidence that all 5G proponents are NWO members , or, alternatively, that all so called NWO members are 5G proponents ?
    Of course not . It is nonsense to to think otherwise .Nobody knows .
    Far better to argue the case for or against something on merit and without imagining that those who do not share your opinion are all members of a Conspiracy Club that you cannot define in any useful way .
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    Ripple, I read the post from you above to see if it would verify my feeling that you are a troll, but I had put you on my Ignore list and there you will remain, so I will not be debating you on this or any other thread.
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    [QUOTE=onawah;1268431]Ripple, I read the post from you above to see if it would verify my feeling that you are a troll, but I had put you on my Ignore list and there you will remain, so I will not be debating you on this or any other thread.
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    Apart from your bad manners it seems logic is not your forte .
    Your definition of the term , Troll , is rather unique . Does it refer just to people who do not share your views and those that highlight the lack of logic in a claim you make ?

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