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    So Gates did not allow his children to be vaccinated.After all we have learned over the last few years this would not surprise me in the slightest
    if this is true,and i would be very interested to know if the elite allow their children to be vaccinated
    http://yournewswire.com/bill-gates-doctor-vaccinate/
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    I am using my wife's Apple computer as mine is down and I don't know how to use the Apple. So I don't know how to post a link.

    That being said, why the confusion here?? Bill Gates said PUBLICLY at a TED conference that vaccines may be used to reduce the population by 10-15%. "If we do a good job." He has said that two other times too. Just Google "Bill Gates depopulation" and go to Natural News. It's right there. 10-15% is well over 1 billion people. Bill Gates may do some things well, but his ideas on vaccines are spooky and whacky. And very disturbing.

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    I am using my wife's Apple computer as mine is down and I don't know how to use the Apple. So I don't know how to post a link.

    That being said, why the confusion here?? Bill Gates said PUBLICLY at a TED conference that vaccines may be used to reduce the population by 10-15%. "If we do a good job." He has said that two other times too. Just Google "Bill Gates depopulation" and go to Natural News. It's right there. 10-15% is well over 1 billion people. Bill Gates may do some things well, but his ideas on vaccines are spooky and whacky. And very disturbing.
    Ok, a little explanation is in order:

    My 1st assumption is that Gates is not a Eugenicist...that's fake news.

    What his Ted statement summarized was the notion that with proper medical attention a 3rd world country can be educated to understand the downsides of continued unabated procreation. In a society already with thousands dying from hunger it simply makes no sense to continue unrestricted. Once that goal is accomplished the next step is improve the health and education, if not primary brain functioning of those populations. It's an intended feedback loop to 'slow' and bend population growth downward from a worldwide perspective. Hence, his followup statement regarding 0-10% expansion of population

    Now, was that really that hard to understand?

    I could continue to point you in the direction of VALID scientific data regarding vaccines...but I'll leave that up to you.

    One thing one should never forget...even plain words are subject to interpretation and thusly can be twisted beyond recognition, psychopaths are masters of this behavior. So in the end everything is an opinion and should be digested in that fashion. Each of us has to make our own decisions on what we choose to believe or not.
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    What his Ted statement summarized was the notion that with proper medical attention a 3rd world country can be educated to understand the downsides of continued unabated procreation.
    How are you connecting vaccination, specifically, with improved education? If I am assuming correctly, the connection you may be driving at would be the other way around, i.e., one could argue a correlation between improved education and (as consequence) improved health, but I don't see how one could draw the same conclusion the other way around. Even if we assume for sake of argument that vaccination improves health, I don't see a connection between improved health with better education in poor 3rd world countries. Heath is a consequence of education in poor 3rd-world countries, not the cause.

    On the other hand, there are countless peer-reviewed studies that draw a correlation between vaccination and reduced IQ, reduced fertility, miscarriages, autism, etc. We all understand correlation does not necessarily mean vaccinations reduce IQ, cause fertility, cause miscarriages and autism. It just means where one variable is present (vaccinations laden with neurotoxins) the other is also present (aforementioned side effects). It would therefore be an easier leap for me to connect vaccinations to a eugenics program, given the scientific evidence, than it would be arguing what Bill Gates really meant in his Ted talk is, if we just vaccinate the poor that will somehow improve their education and they would therefore stop procreating. Huh?

    And of course, on a totally philosophical note, Bertrand Russell sums it nicely up for those of us who are simply in denial about these things:

    "...Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible...." From The Impact of Science on Society

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    What his Ted statement summarized was the notion that with proper medical attention a 3rd world country can be educated to understand the downsides of continued unabated procreation.

    We already addressed this (to some degree), here. I repost this for the sake of exactness.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by WhatTha' (here)
    "The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

    I can't be sure but it looks like there might be some text missing. It's also possible that it might completely distort the meaning of the entire statement. Just suggesting it as a possibility.
    Listen to the video, at 4:33. This is precisely what he says, and nothing's omitted.


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    So forgive me if i sound a bit thick,but from different stories i have read on line ( and i do understand we cant believe everything we read ) but i was under the impression that vaccines were killing people,so should i assume that vaccines are basically causing impotency and therefore reducing the population in this manner ?

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    ... should i assume that vaccines are basically causing impotency and therefore reducing the population in this manner ?
    See this thread: Agenda 21, Vaccines & The Female Of The Species
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    Very interesting

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    So Gates did not allow his children to be vaccinated.After all we have learned over the last few years this would not surprise me in the slightest
    if this is true,and i would be very interested to know if the elite allow their children to be vaccinated
    http://yournewswire.com/bill-gates-doctor-vaccinate/
    I have recently posted this reply on another thread (one that Bill linked to). However, in the interest of circulating it further than might normally happen, I'm going to drop it here as well. I know it's too late to nip this in the bud, but latest this outbreak is liable to cause anxiety all by itself and is better responded to in the most timely manner. So, here ya go. Some balm for your worries ...

    As this myth about Bill Gates’ plans to poison the planet’s population seem to have taken on a life of its own, I am pleased to offer up the truth about his oft-mistaken claims. In so doing, I hope to go some way to assuaging the fears of many.

    Below is a cut and paste that clearly outlines the problem and explains the actual meaning of what Gates said. If one is going to be amenable to using Gates’ own words to convict him of crimes against humanity, I think it behooves the same person(s) to consider Gates’ own words when he attempts to clarify any confusion regarding his claims. While there are some, whose thoughts are covered at the end of the piece, who think that Gates’s emphasis on neo-natal health is the wrong emphasis for reducing our planet’s burgeoning population, there are none who question his benign intent. In short, Bill Gates does NOT want to kill babies.

    Here’s the article:

    As discussed in a 21 November 2011 Forbes cover story profiling the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, reducing population growth has always been integral to their stated mission of “improving people’s health and giving them the chance to lift themselves out of hunger and extreme poverty”:

    In 1997, when he and Melinda first ventured into public health […] they focused on birth control, funding a Johns Hopkins effort to use computers to help women in the developing world learn about contraception. The logic was crisp and Bill Gates-friendly. Health = resources ÷ people. And since resources, as Gates noted, are relatively fixed, the answer lay in population control.

    As further discussed in this piece, Gates later came to the conclusion that birth control was not the best approach to achieve the goal of slower population growth, instead realizing that — counterintuitively — a reduction in childhood mortality was the best way to limit population growth:

    In society after society, he saw, when the mortality rate falls—specifically, below 10 deaths per 1,000 people—the birth rate follows, and population growth stabilizes.

    “It goes against common sense,” Gates says. Most parents don’t choose to have eight children because they want to have big families, it turns out, but because they know many of their children will die.

    “If a mother and father know their child is going to live to adulthood, they start to naturally reduce their population size,” says Melinda.

    This is a point Gates has made repeatedly, and his views were clearly articulated in the 2009 Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Annual Letter:

    A surprising but critical fact we learned was that reducing the number of deaths actually reduces population growth. […] Contrary to the Malthusian view that population will grow to the limit of however many kids can be fed, in fact parents choose to have enough kids to give them a high chance that several will survive to support them as they grow old. As the number of kids who survive to adulthood goes up, parents can achieve this goal without having as many children.

    In other words, Gates is not interested in using vaccines to reduce the population by using them as an agent of death or a tool to sterilize unsuspecting masses. Rather, Gates is interested in keeping more children alive in order to reduce the need for parents to have more children, thus limiting the overall population growth rate.

    As evidenced in a 2014 paper in Science that attempted to calculate future population growth, not everyone is convinced childhood mortality is the smoking gun to quell population growth:

    Among the most robust empirical findings in the literature on fertility transitions are that higher contraceptive use and higher female education are associated with faster fertility decline. These suggest that the projected rapid population growth could be moderated by greater investments in family planning programs to satisfy the unmet need for contraception and in girls’ education.

    But Gates’ view on childhood mortality contribution to population growth is increasingly discussed in the scientific literature and is still subject to debate.

    What is not up to debate are the intentions of the Bill and Melinda Gate’s Foundation with regard to vaccines and population growth, as articulated by Bill and Melinda Gates in their Foundation’s 2017 Annual Letter:

    Melinda: Saving children’s lives is the goal that launched our global work. It’s an end in itself. But then we learned it has all these other benefits as well. If parents believe their children will survive—and if they have the power to time and space their pregnancies—they choose to have fewer children.

    Bill: When a mother can choose how many children to have, her children are healthier, they’re better nourished, their mental capacities are higher—and parents have more time and money to spend on each child’s health and schooling. That’s how families and countries get out of poverty. This link between saving lives, a lower birthrate, and ending poverty was the most important early lesson Melinda and I learned about global health.

    This is obviously a far cry from, as YourNewsWire.com puts it, having Bill Gates tell us “how we must all consent to a ‘kill the humans’ strategy, to ‘save the planet’ from the carbon dioxide we make.”

    Filed Under: bill gates childhood mortality gates foundation +5 more
    Fact Checker: Alex Kasprak
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    Adl-Tabatabai, Sean.

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    Herper, Matthew. “Bill Gates Admits “With Vaccines, Bill Gates Changes The World Again.”

    Forbes. 2 November 2011.

    gatesfoundation.org. “Foundation Fact Sheet.”

    gatesfoundation.org. “2009 Annual Letter.”

    Gerland, Patrick, et al. “World Population Stabilization Unlikely This Century.”
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    Smeeding, Timothy, M. “Adjusting to the Fertility Bust.”
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    There. I hope I've made you feel better about this particular Boogeyman's plans. Whatever anyone else thinks about the administration of vaccines, he clearly sees them as a way to save lives. Bill may be up to some sh*t, but this ain't it.

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    Thanks Brian, that does help to clarify the issue.
    However, for some of us jaded conspiracy theorists, what is said and what is truly intended may be two very different things, especially in the case of the one percent.
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    So forgive me if i sound a bit thick,but from different stories i have read on line ( and i do understand we cant believe everything we read ) but i was under the impression that vaccines were killing people,so should i assume that vaccines are basically causing impotency and therefore reducing the population in this manner ?
    Could be but what concerns me personally is that we are not 100% sure of the ingredients of any vaccines, even though they are listed and any Doctor would be happy to read them to you.
    But, unless you have the equipment to analyse what is in the vaccines, you (we) are at the mercy of the manufacturers (scary thought LOL).

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    And that is just one of the problems with vaccines, as this thread can attest to at length:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...d-we-vaccinate
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    So forgive me if i sound a bit thick,but from different stories i have read on line ( and i do understand we cant believe everything we read ) but i was under the impression that vaccines were killing people,so should i assume that vaccines are basically causing impotency and therefore reducing the population in this manner ?
    Could be but what concerns me personally is that we are not 100% sure of the ingredients of any vaccines, even though they are listed and any Doctor would be happy to read them to you.
    But, unless you have the equipment to analyse what is in the vaccines, you (we) are at the mercy of the manufacturers (scary thought LOL).
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    April Fools? Bill Gates on Big Bang Theory..pushing vaccines...
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    Not an April Fool post above by the way, Bill Gates really was on the Big Bang Theory pushing "affordable" vaccines in the episode entitled "The Gates Excitation" that aired 3/29/18, though that clip certainly got pulled off youtube quickly!
    There are more clips from the same show on youtube as of this post, though the first one I posted above is the only one I've seen that actually mentioned Gates' probable real reason for being on the show, which was to push "affordable vaccines".
    From: https://sports.yahoo.com/bill-gates-...073748339.html
    Quote Bill Gates made an appearance on The Big Bang Theory, and the boys were more than just a little excited. The premise was that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation was looking to team up with a pharmaceutical company to develop affordable vaccines, and Penny would show Gates around the labs.
    Also on the lineup of youtube clips was this video:
    Bill Gates BUSTED; India THROWS Out Foundation, Sues Gates For Dangerous Vaccines

    And there's this:

    ...among lots of other evidence showing Gates agenda is probably about NWO de-population, and not by improving health. (But I think we already knew that.)
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