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    I think we are seeing in our present time that even "well educated" people are still capable of doing truly evil things. Perhaps if we all could recognize that we are primarily Eternal Beings, it might help.

    "oneness community" That would be a great thing if it were possible, but I think we can all see from "family" situations, it doesn't even happen there! I guess UBUNTU Project would seem the closest to that ideal, but it will be interesting to see how things play out in S.A. now.

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    It takes time to learn. If sufficient number of people realize that cooperation not competition; love not hate is the way to bliss, then we are headed into that path. No single person UBUNTU, BUDDHA; JACKIE FRESCO; CHRIST ETC can led humanity to bliss its the realization by sufficient numbers of people in the collective that will do that. therefore change starts with me and you. We will know that sufficient numbers is reached because the slightest nudge (UBUNTU etc) will make people rallying to that direction. Movements like UBUNTU and the OP's are necessary to encourage people to that direction but as usual a discerning mind is required so as not to fall into the fakes

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    Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts.

    Great ideas, Jayke.

    Since the one true all-pervasive and almighty God at the heart of us all is by definition perfect peace, freedom, and all-inclusiveness, anyone talking about a God that doesn't have these qualities is clearly in error. Again to clarify, the one true God is an infinite, transcendent ideal that's not possible for finite beings to match, we can only do our best to live up to it.

    Actually I've done a lot of work on the elements and how they relate to the structure of the universe, the natural order of society, and more. The explanations are in the "The Spiritual Planes/Bodies and Chakras, Heaven and Hell", "The Elements and Theory of Evolution", and "The Human Body" sections on the Spiritual Healing page on my site, the information is definitive and much of it is original, you'd enjoy it:

    https://sites.google.com/site/jmaf65...ritual-healing

    I agree that aether, which I call spirit, is important to include in discussions of the elements.

    Indeed, war is a result of a low state of consciousness corresponding to the lower spiritual planes/bodies, chakras, elements, regions of the body, etc., while oneness is a result of a high state of consciousness corresponding to the higher spiritual planes/bodies, chakras, elements, regions of the body, etc.

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    What makes sense to me, at this point in time, is that we are ALL a part of The One & if that could be recognized, why would we want to harm another of our "parts"?

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    I think for those that believe in a higher power ( this being good Friday) and aligning yourself as a spiritual being on this earth with a creator and the angels and saints, there is a peacefulness in that relationship. I can tell you of so many miracles or gifts from above by having a belief system called faith! My father always said when you pray , you can't wish it to happen or want it to happen , you have to believe it will happen. A test to your faith so to speak.

    A few years ago my neighbors 2 year old little girl's eye tear duct wasn't working and she was scheduled for surgery on her eye, they had been seeing a doctor for months. I always carry with me relic badges of the deceased capuchin priest called Father Solanus here in detroit who is in the last stages here in the US to become the first American priest to become a saint. My father met Fr. Solanus as a little kid. So I gave my neighbor a father Solanus Badge and told him to put this in his daughters bed and to ask for healing. I prayed as well for the week. That started on a sunday night, by Thursday my neighbors daughters eye was all better and they canceled the surgery . Faith!

    A few years back my very good friend from way back in high school became a pastor and started an orphanage just across the Mexican /Texas border. He built this based on donations and volunteers thru the years. I saw my friend the pastor at a funeral a few years ago. He was telling me of the executions in Mexico between the drug families ect. ect. He said one of the families had put out a contract on him being an American and how could he have acquired all this in Mexico building an orphanage without some inside help of the govnt. It truly has been a 25 year mission of donations and love. Anyways the pastor told me for a while he was carrying a pistol for his protection and then one day he said to god, if its my time then so be it and stopped carrying that pistol. During the same time my friend the pastor was caring for an elderly woman who was dying of cancer in mexico, praying with her and taking her meals everyday. When she passed my friend the pastor attended the elderly woman's funeral and unknown to him the son of the elderly woman was the person that put out the contract on him. It was dissolved that day Faith!

    Another very good friend of mine went in for heart surgery, she was a trauma nurse herself, tough Kentucky gal. She was terrified of going in for surgery and thought she wasn't going to make it thru the surgery. I told her I would pray and pray for her and ask all of the angels and saints around me to guide her thru this. She told me when she woke up that there were 2 people/spirit angels in her room each and everyday, nobody else could see them and they stayed there everyday until she finally was better, my friend said one of those angelic beings had a connection to me , but she felt so much comfort from them being there , she wasn't afraid of leaving this earth anymore. And yes she is doing great to this day . Faith !

    And what about John the Baptist , the apostle who was boiled in oil and lived to another day. Faith!

    I have so many stories of faith that have been all around me. So when you talk of a united earth, I would say there are many souls here on earth NOW that are united with a belief system of when you just pray, you are patching into a grid system of spiritual energy from so many from around the world without even knowing those people by name. All you have to do is sit down, pray and believe. I would say that it already exists on this day of good Friday !
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    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    The problem monotheistic religions or ‘oneness’, spiritual, belief-based, communities have faced in the past, is how do you stop different groups within that one-true-god community from branching off and forming different sects? Historically there’s always been at least 4 different interpretations of the ‘one true god’ that people gravitate towards, which then end up as warring factions—where people who say they believe in the same god—end up trying to subjugate, kill or convert the other factions.
    While a firm belief to a higher power may have "healed" a lot of things there is however a (perhaps implanted) "fault" in man.
    In essence each man is "the god" and once he would assume full responsibility as creator, and knowing each one is a "god" creator too, he would nolonger look for excuses or point a finger to others.
    Instead he would assume the viewpoint of each fellow man and support him in his constructive endeavours, like if it would be his own effort.
    This is what I would call a "United Earth".
    Part of this would be clearing out ones past from trauma and wrong decisions (and not limited to this life). This would be essential.
    "The greatest good you can do for another is not just share your riches, but to reveal to him his own."
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    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    What makes sense to me, at this point in time, is that we are ALL a part of The One & if that could be recognized, why would we want to harm another of our "parts"?
    You know Foxie, you said something on the Healers thread that I thought was so succinct and full of wisdom that I had to copy it for my notes and paste it into my quotes folder.

    Quote ”Good or Parasitic".....that does make more sense. Or is it that we must inhabit all forms of "being" so we will understand the totality of all mindsets?
    And in that vein of thought, if we consider Michael Tellingers notion of Contributionism as a kind of hybrid between democracy, socialism, capitalism etc where the best of each system is combined together to create abundance for the whole, then I was reading an article about China recently by Jeff J Brown (who lives in China and writes about its emerging political landscape without the usual Western bias you find in the anglosphere). He notes in the article West attack’s Chinas Social Credit system, how China are trialling a social credit system based on transparency and meritocracy, where the more honest and trustworthy your social credit score is, the more access you gain to the systems benefits.

    And although China’s social credit system could very well be an Orwellian nightmare in the making, it could also be the first major civilisation to ‘inhabit all forms of being and integrate the totality of all mindsets’, where democracy, communism, meritocracy, socialism, all kind of work synergistically together for the benefit of all. It might be the case that we see the first contributionist society emerging in China. The catalyst for a United earth could well emerge from the East imo.

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    Can't agree with you at this critical time in world history.

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    Quote Posted by Desire (here)
    Can't agree with you at this critical time in world history.
    Feel free to elaborate and share your worries, fears, thoughts, frustrations on who or what you specifically disagree with? And what in its place do you feel has better potential for moving humanity towards a United Earth? It’s difficult to agree on anything until there’s first an open dielectic of discussion.

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    Hi Jayke and others,
    I was disagreeing with Jmaf. I should have been clearer.
    Trying to unite the world at this time would only help support the NWO effort of their one world order that will enslave the human race and promote the elite. This is a dangerous time and the cabals' ability to control such a movement is too risky. Too many good people, not yet awakened , could be deceived to follow the false Piper.

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    Hi Jayke and others,
    I was disagreeing with Jmaf. I should have been clearer.
    Trying to unite the world at this time would only help support the NWO effort of their one world order that will enslave the human race and promote the elite. This is a dangerous time and the cabals' ability to control such a movement is too risky. Too many good people, not yet awakened , could be deceived to follow the false Piper.
    As has been the case since at least the 1700’s.

    I don’t know how many people know the story of Adam Weishaupt (founder of the Bavarian Illuminati), but his initial idea was similar to jmaf’s noble intentions. He wanted to create an enlightened, egalitarian, communist utopia where everyone was considered equal. The problem they saw to this utopia was the institutions of aristocracy that were holding the class system in place. In order for egalitarian communism to be accepted globally, all institutions and authority had to be destroyed, all hierarchies levelled. Weishaupt couldn’t get funding from the Nobles for his endeavour so he turned to the Rothschilds and the Sabbatean-Frankist Zionists (i.e. Khazarian krypto-jews) who were more than happy to fund his project—since their goals of bringing a satanic, death and sex cult was founded on the same egalitarian, communist principles (i.e. levelling of the hierarchies and throwing away the ritual observances and traditions within Judaism).



    Whenever there is a levelling of the hierarchies to create an egalitarian social structure, the antichrist emerges as people become blinded by idealism. Hierarchy within a social structure is necessary to keep the balances and checks in place.

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    Thanks for that info Jayke,
    I didn't know the story of Adam Weishaupt but as you can imagine I am not surprised. There will be many false flags ahead . It is a time to be very thoughtful and careful of the powerful evil that wants to own us all.

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    Well, I still believe in oneness/unity, as in cooperating together for the benefit of all, as well as equality, freedom, and the rest, that's all I'm really advocating. I do believe in social order/hierarchy, and I also believe that what I'm calling God which is at the top of the spiritual hierarchy practices oneness, equality, freedom, etc.. In other words, as Jayke suggested, we do need unity, i.e. social order, structure, and cohesiveness, and nobles to prevent the NWO, and we also need the social order to be aligned with source and pure, this is why I wrote what I did. I'm not an anarchist, nor am I supporting the NWO, the NWO is not equality and freedom based, oppression would be a better word to describe it than the equality and freedom based oneness I support.

    To clarify again, the first post is just a statement of values conducive to unity, i.e. harmony, and the second is just a statement of qualities necessary to unite the disparate unity and harmony based groups as an effective, powerful alliance. My purpose is to benefit, not destroy, our social systems and structures.
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    My apologies if our criticisms have seemed unfavourably harsh, it’s not that what you’re advocating isn’t worthy of consideration, it’s just that in the hindsight of history it’s proven to be easily corruptible. I mean you mention King Arthur and the knights of the round table as a model for unity but surely you read to the end of that story? Where Lancelot has an affair with Guinevere, Mordred kills his father Arthur and Camelot falls into disrepute and decay. They try telling us in those books that the circle of equality doesn’t work yet people see the round table, get dazzled by idealism and forget to read to the end of the story.

    The problem with everyone being equal is that, psychologically speaking, the group identity of ‘oneness’ becomes more important than each members unique and individual identity, and when that happens people begin to feel invisible or shielded by the group. As the Greeks warned in their tale of the Rings of Gyges:

    Quote Glaucon asks whether any man can be so virtuous that he could resist the temptation of being able to perform any act without being known or discovered. Glaucon suggests that morality is only a social construction, the source of which is the desire to maintain one's reputation for virtue and justice. Hence, if that sanction were removed, one's moral character would evaporate...

    ...Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a god among men.

    Then the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust.
    I did read your website though and you’ve got a lot of excellent content, very comprehensively put together, I commend you on that. I can tell you’ve dedicated a lot of thought and energy into the project I’d just recommend that you throw the ideal of everyone stood around in a circle, holding hands, away for now, and figure out how the structure of the content of your website, can be infused into a structure for society, because the circle as an ideal to unite humanity has never worked out too well in the past.

    The Daiosts do have a teaching that states ‘Tian Ren He Yi,’ (‘All Heavenly People are in Harmony as one’). But the daiosts also have systems of objective measurement in place to determine whose acting on behalf of heaven? what harmony truly looks like? and what really constitutes oneness? And it’s those objective systems of measure that we lack in the modern world. We had them in the past, in the golden age that Confucius spoke of, but the tyrants of the Kali Yuga destroyed that knowledge as it was the only way they could rise to power.

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    Jmaf, as the saying goes " the path is full of good intentions" Just tread cautiously for evil is always ready to infiltrate good.

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    I've only been at this a little over 2 years, but the Oneness Thing seems to require a Big Shift in normal human thinking. If each of us sees him or herself as simply a "piece" of The One, with no hierarchy involved, that puts a whole new perspective on Harmony.

    It's true, there have been many attempts down through history to form harmonious groups that live together for mutual benefit, but usually there seems to have been a "leader" involved, so we have to assume that did not result in true Oneness! Being trained from childhood that the "norm" is for there to BE a hierarchy of some kind does not lend it self to true Oneness.

    As humans, our view is so restricted until we open ourselves up to the fact that there ARE other beings & other dimensions of which we have not been aware. The works of David Icke & Robert Stanley have helped me in that regard. As long as the human race in general remains blinded to who we truly are, Eternal Beings, there seems not to be much hope for living together in harmony. We continue to leave ourselves open to manipulation in many forms when we stay within the Hierarchical Construct.

    These are my conclusions up to this point in time!

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    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    I think that jmaf6556's ideals would more likely be successful if humanity were more educated, more loving but not believing all that is said by their chosen leaders. Perhaps more ascended, if that will ever be possible. Past failures, i believe, have been due to those human qualities being lacking.
    This is most of the problem right here, I really think so. You can say "more ascended" or "less stupid" but it boils down to the same thing. Education is important of course, but there's psychological stuff here too.

    Some people are just not happy unless other's are unhappy. Here's the example I keep quoting and I can't even remember where I got this - I'm paraphrasing;

    Jane likes red, and dislikes orange. Bob likes blue, and dislikes yellow.

    Jane dislikes Bob.

    Jane paints her house yellow.

    The reason why is because Bob's unhappiness makes her happier than any color her house could possibly be.

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    Quote Posted by Desire (here)
    Jmaf, as the saying goes " the path is full of good intentions" Just tread cautiously for evil is always ready to infiltrate good.
    I like how you bleeped the evil out of the quotation ;-)

    Mine says "Tread cautiously, but carry a big stick"

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    Thanks everyone for your comments.

    Sovereignty is essential to oneness as I understand it. This is where the values of equality and freedom which I mention in the original post comes in. A state of inequality and oppression isn't one of oneness.

    I do still think the circle of free equals is the ideal state. Equality is a universal, fundamental value, it's hard to argue for its opposite, inequality. So is freedom, it's opposite, coercion, while perhaps necessary in emergency situations and in our chaotic world, isn't ideal.

    Positions of greater and lesser responsibility can always exist, as I mention in the original post. Equality just means that those with greater responsibilities are public servants, rather than rulers. It's similar to how our US presidents ultimately consider themselves "fellow Americans/citizens" of the people, and just temporary holders of a public office while they're president, that's how it's supposed to be.

    So if you want to make a hierarchical structure different from the circle of free equals, I'd say you'd put the state of oneness, equality, freedom, etc. at the top, and lower levels would be organized according to how far they are from oneness, equality, freedom, etc.

    Again, for now, I'm mainly focusing on fundamental values, not on redesigning our governments from scratch.

    As for what harmony looks like, I believe it looks like what I've described, a state of oneness, truth, equality, freedom, devotion, etc. Paradoxically, the state of oneness and equality is the highest. Right now I'm not sure how you'd objectively measure who's closest to God, oneness, and Truth, voting is one method that helps determine whom most agree with. And again, to a large extent people will vote for those who best practice the Golden Rule, treating others as yourself, which implies oneness, equality, and freedom.

    I wasn't aware of the end of the story of King Arthur. I'd have to go more in depth into it which I haven't done to comment more. The mishaps could have been in spite of, rather than a result of, the Round Table.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions, I agree. Let's follow God's greater plan rather than trying to create our own.

    Great conclusions, Foxie.
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    The bottom line is "A rising tide lifts all boats"
    A raising of consciousness is going on and without this the status quo would remain.
    Major change will be spontaneous when the human consciousness has reached the necessary level.
    Each time enlightenment "Self realization occurs" the Universe celebrates and the human consciousness is raised.

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