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    Hi everyone,


    Like many, I was fascinated and intrigued by the PC Dane Tops interview. However, I have long been fascinated by the lack of broader interest in him and his claims, and the lack of any follow up research. I was wondering has anyone heard of anything further from this marvellously, enigmantic figure. For instance, does anyone have any ideas as to his actual identity?

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    A link to the (very interesting!) Camelot interview:
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    does anyone have any ideas as to his actual identity?
    Nope. Kerry Cassidy and I were the third and fourth people ever to know. I doubt if anyone else does, to this day. If his ID were revealed, his life would certainly be in danger.

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    That interview offers some insights to me where I was questioning if Hubbard or some ghost writer produced "fair game" policy.. (or why the fellow's life would be targeted)

    If you have a moment Chris Shelton describes some of the "hit" policy.. early stuff Hubbard was on, although some changes happened enough for me to say I want nothing to do with that org...



    Chris was 27 years I think I heard him say involved, very aware of the inner workings, and he has many more video insights about what goes on and what went on..

    Tony Ortega also provides insights and briefs from Ex-Scio's here: https://tonyortega.org/up-the-bridge...total-freedom/

    Take a look here also for some 'history' - https://tonyortega.org/scientology-m...ian-jon-atack/ Jon Atack
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    him and his claims
    Well, his claims about the Church of Scientology were certainly acted on, and soon after were fully confirmed. His letter ended up going viral, being copied and re-copied and then re-mailed round the world to reach many thousands of people.

    His alert was to a significant degree responsible for thousands of people leaving the Church in a grand exodus in the early 1980s (mainly 1982-3).

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    Bill, Bob,


    Thanks for chiming in here.

    I have read, and re-read that interview many times. I find it extraordinaily interesting on a number of levels, and it seems that this individual has an enormous amount to contribute to our collective spiritual development. The level of insight and knowledge is extraordinary.

    Bill, can you tell us if that interview is a transcript? And to add some colour, could you describe 'Dane Tops', even briefly?

    Thanks for your attention here!

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    Bill, can you tell us if that interview is a transcript?
    Yes... it's very accurate. I transcribed it myself, and took a lot of care doing it. There was nothing left out.

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    And to add some colour, could you describe 'Dane Tops', even briefly?
    Well, all I can say is that he's highly experienced and trained, and extremely spiritually perceptive and aware. A very big soul, of course, a remarkable person.

    His letter was getting on for 40 years ago now, so as you might imagine he's not quite a teenager any more. But he's still utterly young in heart, and looks and acts far younger than his years, which is pretty interesting. He's never been an Avalon member, but he does follow things here, and also everywhere else in the alt media.

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    Hi Bill

    Do you think you will ever do a follow interview? Did DT express an interest in further media exposure?


    Thanks!


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    Okay. I thought I had read every transcript on Project Camelot before finding my way to Avalon, but I either missed this one or forgot it in my marathon searching. So much of what this guy is saying is exactly the kind of remembering I had when my dna woke up. It's incredible. Every time I think I have heard it all, I find some new, mind blowing stuff.

    I'm about a third of the way in and can't recommend this transcript enough. It may not be best to read it if you are fearful though. It may be too much. On the other hand, it's best to know the truth. Every new step has to be assimilated and it can get intense but the truth is we have the power to overcome anyone and anything they throw at us. Live in courage.

    "But the reason I think there was ET intervention on me is that I didn’t eat any food or drink any water for three months, and I didn’t sleep for three months." This happened to me too. I was deliberately woken up.

    "But that level of ability I had for three months: not eating, sleeping or drinking water... the abilities only stopped short in that I could not stop breathing. I still had to breathe, but all other body functions I didn’t need anymore. I never slept, and I was more wide awake than I’d ever been wide awake. During that whole three months I experienced a continual amassing of knowledge. I experienced being many places in many dimensions. I learned much about our past, and there was a full transcendence of time. I was in simultaneity without break for three months."

    Yes, yes and yes.

    And here. It exactly mirrors my own experience. "D: Actually I was alone when all this happened - not with the others directly. I just didn’t see them and was not in a state to be able to explain it to them.

    You know, we’re hearing about in Camelot how we are hybrids and how we were genetically engineered. But it’s more than genetic engineering, its also spiritual engineering, and very precise entity engineering. And so, in that three months I was shown, and I never knew quite how it was I was shown, but I thought recently it must have been that I was contacted, because when I started to get this information there were many, many, many beings talking to me that came to me in the room and I thought: Why me?

    Because I didn’t see that I had done very much to deserve all that understanding and knowledge. But for whatever reason, I downloaded this extraordinary information and then I just understood a concept of stepping stones that were an extension of what Hubbard did."
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    "There are things about entities that I haven’t seen fully addressed. I believe there’s a blueprint for human beings that was installed in us that whatever life form you’re in, whether you’re a human being or a different kind of life form, it has a certain structure

    And that structure is installed, and that structure means that if you go have a life as one of these kind of life forms then there are secrets of that life form, there is a spiritual structure of each life form, not ONLY the physical DNA structure, and you can go much further as a spiritual being when you become intimate with these spiritual installed structures of each life form." From the interview with Dane Tops.

    What immediately popped into my mind regarding this bit of wisdom, is that it is encapsulated in T.H. White's book "The Once and Future King". Merlin instructs Arthur to explore various life forms by becoming them. The meaning of this escaped me in my previous reading of the book, but I see clearly now this is what the book is about.
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    Hi Bill

    Do you think you will ever do a follow interview? Did DT express an interest in further media exposure?

    Thanks!

    Ashva
    That's another very good question. Yes, I still know how to contact him, and in theory that'd be very possible. I'm not too sure if there's anything much left to say, though! We really did cover everything we could all think of between us.

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    Very good interview, and certainly worth reading - or listening to. I say listening to, because here's a tip. [slightly off-topic, but some may find this useful, as I did]

    Due to time constraints and general busyness away from computer screen, I could only read this in snatches (it's a long transcript). Then I remembered, this excellent tool.

    https://www.naturalreaders.com/online/

    Copy/paste the text into the main window, and click play. It will read the entire transcript back to you, in a choice of pretty realistic voices and at various speeds. May even work on phones.
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Very good interview, and certainly worth reading - or listening to. I say listening to, because here's a tip. [slightly off-topic, but some may find this useful, as I did]

    Due to time constraints and general busyness away from computer screen, I could only read this in snatches (it's a long transcript). Then I remembered, this excellent tool.



    https://www.naturalreaders.com/online/

    Copy/paste the text into the main window, and click play. It will read the entire transcript back to you, in a choice of pretty realistic voices and at various speeds. May even work on phones.
    It works on my iphone. Many thanks
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    I lost a good friend or so I thought, because I sent him the DANE TOPS interview done on PC right after it was published. I was not aware of the rule in the church that one could not have contact with anyone that criticizes the church, my bad. My friend is the Head of Scientology in Hawaii, to this day he won't respond to me, that was Sept. 2009.
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    I can't remember the source I read yrs. ago but Scientology began as a very benevolent movement until it became infiltrated by negative elements- dove-tails perfectly with all the thus provided postings on this website-

    but about 17 yrs. ago I was in a certain area of Basel, Switzerland early in the evening (I remember this vividly) and there had to have been at least 40-50 young people between the approx. ages of 18-25 freely handing out copies of "Dianetics" but they all appeared to be glassy-eyed/somehow robots- I steered clear of them-

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    I can't remember the source I read yrs. ago but Scientology began as a very benevolent movement until it became infiltrated by negative elements- dove-tails perfectly with all the thus provided postings on this website-
    Yes, this is very well-known and well-documented. There were some problems in the 70s, but the sea change really all occurred between 1981 and 1985 when there was a management coup in which Hubbard was sidelined — and maybe worse.

    At that point, a totalitarian new regime took over, during which many of the techniques and processes developed by Hubbard, which really worked, were subtly altered so as to be damaging.

    What Dane Tops did in his famous letter was alert everyone to what was really happening. As a result of that, thousands of very able and ethical people all left to form various 'lifeboat' movements all over the world, some big and some small, and some of which are thriving to this day, which carefully and faithfully preserved (and built on) Hubbard's original methods.
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    It works on my iphone. Many thanks
    Sorry Flash, slight snag. Half way through, the voice changed/downgraded. I didn't realise you can only use the premium hi-quality voices for a limited time. You must pay to continue. The default voice of the free version is not so good. Sorry again!
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    Leah Remini's TV exposé is fantastic if you haven't seen it yet.

    https://upi.com/Entertainment_News/T.../7621521111838
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    This was truly an interesting story. As always all good things gets tampered with. But always a relief to know that at least there was a good intention from the start to get the truth out.

    I wonder if it is possible to find the Hubbard's original methods, techniques and processes anywhere? If there is anything written down? Is it any use reading the first book "Dianetics" or has it been manipulated also?

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    I have not finished reading the transcript of DT's interview yet. But, I was struck by DT's statement--twice made to the point I have read so far--that Hubbard did not know about the US government investigating ETs and the government's ET agenda. Consequently, I gather, Hubbard cooperated with the government for a period of time until, I guess, he came to know this.

    How does Hubbard not knowing of the government's ET agenda and ulterior motives square with what is being claimed in the interview about Hubbard's experiences, abilities, techniques, studies, training, remote viewing, and what he was working on re "knowing" etc...?

    In short, if he was able to "know" how did he not know the government's agenda? I realize no one is perfect, including Hubbard, but this strikes me as a contradiction.

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    I was never impressed by Dane Tops. He just repeated all the rumors most Scientologists heard in the 70s, and mixed in a lot of speculation regarding the govt. The supposed abilities that Hubbard engineered in people were all one-off events of the type any seeker might have in any spiritual practice such as yoga or meditation. Sure, there were some talented psychics like Pat Price and Ingo Swann. But Ingo had his abilities since age 4 and Pat Price spontaneously went out of body on the beginning course of Scientology and developed from there on his own. My advice, take everything Dane Tops says with a grain of salt. And, no, he is not any kind of whistleblower.

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