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    I finally finished reading the transcript of Bill's Dane Tops interview. I find this fascinating:

    D: "There are so many isms and things that came out of Scientology. Regression. Rebirthing came out of it, Primal Scream, Werner Erhard’s est came out of it, Landmark came out of it, NXIVM came out of it and NXIVM is just fabulous, improving on some things in Scientology in several important ways. I’ve done them all and seen what people did with Hubbard’s stuff."

    NXIVM is fabulous? Dane was in the NXIVM cult? Interesting...

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    It is a surprise to connect Scientology to Rebirthing. Years ago, I experimented with Rebirthing a few times. Some people have a significant and dramatic reaction. I felt no change except some physical attraction to the lady facilitator during the process.

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    It is a surprise to connect Scientology to Rebirthing. Years ago, I experimented with Rebirthing a few times. Some people have a significant and dramatic reaction. I felt no change except some physical attraction to the lady facilitator during the process.
    Yes, I knew about the connection with Rebirthing. It is a very creative application of the Dianetics book, so creative that Scientology can't really take credit.

    Apparently the notorious sex cult started out as a spin-off of Scientology:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/inside...y_2977898.html

    NEW YORK—Keith Raniere, the former leader of purported self-help organization NXIVM “borrowed heavily” from the teachings of Scientology, copied a number of its internal methodologies, and, in some instances, plagiarized word-for-word its unique terminology for his own exalted classes.

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    I think the nwo is into buying up workable spiritual tech. Also any religion that can be downgraded into manipulating the people of this planet. This includes the big 3 religions. I don't know about Buddhism, but I have heard that the Dali Lama sold out long ago too.

    It seems you have to adhere very tightly to your own code and not be lured into selling out or a blind follower of anything.

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    Quote Posted by James Newell (here)
    I think the nwo is into buying up workable spiritual tech. Also any religion that can be downgraded into manipulating the people of this planet. This includes the big 3 religions. I don't know about Buddhism, but I have heard that the Dali Lama sold out long ago too.
    Raniere attracted some Bronfmans, while Scientology attracted some Khashoggis. Both families have been associated with the mafia. Supposedly the CIA was very interested in cults in connection with mind control.
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    Standard Scientology does work quite well and I and my many preclears can attest it works quite well. Miracles can occur and amazing realizations are just part of it. If one didn't get these kind of gains I don't think they were doing it standardly.
    My observation has been that "Standard Scientology" as practised before 1978 or so, did work quite well, but nowhere nearly as well as advertised, and led to psychological dependency for another and another and another session. Occasional "super powers" were a temporary, one-off of the type one might get in any other mystical practice. Standard Scientology as practised now in the Church of Scientology appears to do more damage than good, due to the emphasis on "confessionals" and Nazi-style management practices that outweigh whatever good can be achieved in the course room or session room.

    The much ballyhooed "Old OT levels" 4 - 7 did not produce permanent results for most people, did not produce super powers, so those who had money ended up doing the expensive "L" rundowns in search of those powers. Eventually in 1978 they introduced the "new OT levels," which do not even attempt to develop any so-called super powers, are strictly about erasing and other "negative gain." The history of Scientology is one of new promises and hype on top of previous failed promises, all the way back to 1950. If Hubbard were alive and vital today, the current program would have been scrapped and maybe a few new programs introduced with accompanying hype, wild claims and new false hope for new generations.
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    Yes, Tom, but if I may gently say, you're not up to date. There may be quite a bit you're not fully aware of, or not familiar with.

    The Bridge has since been expanded to a very significant extent outside of the Church. The new material really does work, and work extremely well.
    Unfortunately Bill, those of us who suffered under the current Scio regime and I am assuming its still the same regime, have difficulty accepting, let alone hoping what you say is true.

    I have come to the conclusion that there has been a systematic 'Find, Isolate, divide and conquer' strategy put in place to ensure all inhabitants on this planet are reduced to a decayed state.
    It is my belief that this has been on going for centuries and is now in its final stages. I'm feeling a bit negative right now, sorry, but I think we have run out of time unless you and your people have something that can turn things around right now.
    It does appear that way.

    Perhaps if enough small activities, (which are happening now in varying degrees on a dynamic basis) got something really rolling, they would encompass and surpass the strategy of reducing all of the inhabitants to a decayed state while appearing isolated yet connected by their intention for things to change for the better.



    Talking about decay over the course of time, and the intentions to reverse such decay, among other topics.

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    Entropy is a part of the Natural order, after all.

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    The thing that Dane spoke of in the interview is the most ultimate way of handling all sorts of human difficulties.

    When a person is no longer viewing from inside their body, a lot more possibilities come into play.

    I am saying this due to being exposed to an individual in the freezone who was operating as such.

    He demonstrated what is referred to as OT not only to I, but to others.

    One of the things I heard he was doing was freeing beings on a wide-scale whom were not preoccupied with bodies, and giving either some or all the full bridge.

    Perhaps some of the people who are going to pick up a body already have had their cases dismantled to a good degree where they will not need the bridge. Some went on to their own home universe others stayed and helped here.

    This may be another reason why people feel they have been in contact with the subject of Dianetics and Scientology before their current body status. The RONS Org team had been assisting this way?

    Then there are the one's who just arrived in this particular universe with most if not all their abilities intact, or regaining most of themselves and not acting "case" wise.

    I recall Captain Bill speaking about an "OT Power Change" during an ethics lecture. http://www.ronsorg.org/tableofcontents/Conditions1.htm

    It's not similar in the sense of giving another the bridge where they handle everything and get on with their selves, but giving all the secrets of how to do certain things to another individual.

    I know because I denied such a communication when this person came over here. Later I heard he dropped the body from one of his PCs, and that he was visiting people. I didn't even know he was admitted into a hospital before-hand.

    I post this so others can know that there are things that can be obtained via Scientology and Dianetics, I saw what it could do for him at least. I have not personally seen another in the freezone operating as such.

    I thought how would this serve anyone to mention all this, would it produce imagination in people where they too think by the bridge they would get like that? There are many things said that people who hope for these things with this material do not get like that.

    Since I am unsure in regards to what the bridge does to people on an individual level, I see that the bridge and the materials can give the most freedom possible for a person, and that these possibilities truly are unique.
    But something else stirs in me that says as long as one gets up with someone who uses the golden ball on an ivory stick, more than previous possibilities become more assured due to their knowingness acting on the person they are trying to help.

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    As someone fairly well versed in "The Bridge" I do admit to some to the phenomena that was previously posted.
    But you should be quite well trained and well processed before attempting such activities.

    That was why LRH came up with the grade chart. The idea is to Win at this activity not to get overwhelmed by the sometimes wildness of it.

    I would advise to do the lower part of Bridge first and then get properly and standardly trained to do Upper levels.

    It is probably one of the most important spiritual activities You have Ever done!

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    It is probably one of the most important spiritual activities You have Ever done!
    Now that is an interesting statement. I would like to know if this training is available to me, how long it takes, and how much does it cost? What commitments are involved?

    Not sure what prerequisites may be involved. I've been meditating (TM) since 1977 and I really do not know how much progress I've made with that discipline, or if this statement is relevant.

    I've looked at https://scientology.fandom.com/wiki/Rons_Org There are many terms I am not familiar with. I do not speak the Scientology language.

    I think I am looking for a beginners discussion of how this may be helpful to me and to others.

    Is a description of the E Meter available? Can it be constructed by an electronics tech? Must there be some mystical connection to an experienced practitioner before it becomes useful? Does the E meter have a digital output (yes/no) or an analog output scale? Any similarity to a Radionics device?
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    It is probably one of the most important spiritual activities You have Ever done!
    Now that is an interesting statement. I would like to know if this training is available to me, how long it takes, and how much does it cost? What commitments are involved?

    Not sure what prerequisites may be involved. I've been meditating (TM) since 1977 and I really do not know how much progress I've made with that discipline, or if this statement is relevant.

    I've looked at https://scientology.fandom.com/wiki/Rons_Org There are many terms I am not familiar with. I do not speak the Scientology language.

    I think I am looking for a beginners discussion of how this may be helpful to me and to others.

    Is a description of the E Meter available? Can it be constructed by an electronics tech? Must there be some mystical connection to an experienced practitioner before it becomes useful? Does the E meter have a digital output (yes/no) or an analog output scale? Any similarity to a Radionics device?
    Ron, Hi there. Yes, that Ron's Org page was written by myself back in 2006, but it was specifically for people who'd already had some experience and knew some of the specialist terms.

    The language and technical jargon are always a problem — it's very similar to an intelligent layperson talking to a highly trained research scientist or engineer. They can lose you in 30 seconds, as well!

    Here's how it all works.

    Imagine you bang your thumb with a hammer in your workshop. That hurts! And it creates what's known as emotional charge. Separately from the thumb hurting a lot, you have attention on it and you can even remember vividly the last time it happened (ouch!), even if it was a year ago.

    That's called an 'incident'. An incident is something that happens to us that creates this 'charge'.

    But an incident isn't necessarily a physical impact. There can be emotional impacts, too. It can be a shock that comes from a communication, like suddenly getting bad news, or if someone says something unkind to you that's unexpected.

    Or encountering a problem, like suddenly seeing that an incoming check has bounced and so you'll be late paying a bill that's due.

    Often, if these things happened this morning or yesterday, they're clear in our mind. We don't have to figure anything out! We know we banged our thumb, or that that jerk at the checkout treated you badly, or that the check bounced.

    But when something happened a long time ago — like in a past life, or when we were a kid — the charge can still hang around (it can last literally forever, sometimes), and needs to be located.

    Analogy: imagine a metal detector. If you lose a coin in the long grass, you can probably find it again if you've just dropped it and know exactly where to look. But if that coin was dropped 100 years ago, and it's there but all buried, you'll need some help.

    So that's what the E-meter does. It locates charge that's definitely there, but you're not sure what it is or where it is or how it got there. That's all. It's just a very sensitive 'charge detector'.

    So if one wakes up in the morning, feeling a little upset, but one just can't put one's finger on what the problem is, the meter can very precisely locate the charge and what that's all about.

    One can do that on one's own (if one has a meter), but that needs a bit of training. (A metal detector does, too, but so does a geiger counter or a spectroscope.) But in the hands of an auditor (a scientology counselor), it simply helps the auditor get to the heart of the problem or identify the real issue really fast.

    THEN, once the charge is located, there are many hundreds of verbal question-and-answer processes — often very simple, but extraordinarily ingenious and effective — that ERASE the charge.

    THAT's what does the healing. Not the meter itself.

    And erasing the charge won't stop the guy at the checkout from being a jerk. Or clear your check for you. But they'll stop you feeling in any way upset about it. And then that means that the issues can more easily be handled in the real world.

    So the meter itself does nothing. It's just an instrument (and there are digital versions, that work on a computer screen: see this page) — but so is a pendulum or a dowsing rod. It's as simple as that. And for an auditor, it's not even necessary — it just often helps quite a lot.

    ~~~

    Regarding training to get some help FROM an auditor.... very little is needed. Just an orientation about how it works, how the processes work (there are one or two simple protocols, easily explained), and a few bits and pieces of useful language and concepts.

    The training is on the auditor's side. Not yours! So there's nothing to prevent an auditor from helping out. They could do that tomorrow.

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    Quote I would like to know if this training is available to me, how long it takes, and how much does it cost? What commitments are involved?

    There are many terms I am not familiar with. I do not speak the Scientology language.
    Depending on where you are or your internet connection, training is quite available in the freezone. How long a particular process takes depends on the individual, the first auditor I got up with gave the example that (not verbatim but saying basically) one person took 15 mins, another took an hour. It more-than-likely depends on the auditors skill and as well factoring into the circumstances and awareness of the individual receiving the auditing.

    Cost varies in that some auditors ask for hourly, some have package deals with unlimited times until something is handled, some do what is called a co-audit where two people get together with materials, can be done with no cost such as using the material in Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health, sometimes it may cost if doing other processes concerning bridge work and paying someone whom is trained to overlook the sessions.

    The Technical Dictionary of Scientology and Dianetics 1975 version has all if not most of the definitions.

    If I may link the RONS Org Grenchen site that holds the materials, https://stss.nl/materials/ that book can be found there among the other books and some tapes.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qgZ...dFc0HL73V/view The book.
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    I would say you can get acquainted rather easy, probably getting the books on the subject is a good start.

    If you want some counseling or as we call it "Auditing" you or anyone can PM me or send me an email directly.
    My website may answer some questions as to what I do and what others have achieved with the subject.

    You can toe dip and get gains or you can jump in and go for it. It is a lot of material and yes if you do the whole bridge you can spend some money and time at it.
    I have been doing this activity most of my adult lifetime, it still keeps delivering in abundance to me.

    My website: www.getmoreable.com

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    Is a description of the E Meter available? Can it be constructed by an electronics tech? Must there be some mystical connection to an experienced practitioner before it becomes useful? Does the E meter have a digital output (yes/no) or an analog output scale? Any similarity to a Radionics device?
    It's also known as a wheatstone bridge, nothing mystical about it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge

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    The Wheatstone bridge is familiar to me.

    Is the variable leg connected to a physical body?
    If yes, connected to the auditor or the client?

    Are verbal questions posed and reactions (resistance change) observed?
    If yes, must the answer be binary, yes or no?

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    You can buy used emeters on Ebay. They are mechanical and basically work on a resistance changes to the body. It was discovered mental image pictures react instantly to questions and commands and charged incidents are more easily spotted with the emeter. Charge incidents change the resistance of the body. Entire phrases are able to be discerned if there is "charge" on an area.The person receiving the auditing holds the cans (electrodes) it is about 12 volts or less. Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet. He is a nice fellow from Russia selling these.

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    You can buy used emeters on Ebay. They are mechanical and basically work on a resistance changes to the body. It was discovered mental image pictures react instantly to questions and commands and charged incidents are more easily spotted with the emeter. Charge incidents change the resistance of the body. Entire phrases are able to be discerned if there is "charge" on an area.The person receiving the auditing holds the cans (electrodes) it is about 12 volts or less. Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet. He is a nice fellow from Russia selling these.
    Yes. This is all getting a bit technical! But the info may be interesting.

    My meter uses 2 AA batteries, so the total voltage is just 2.4 volts. Those two batteries lasted nearly 20 years (!) before I had to replace them for the first time. So the current passing through the body is literally negligible.

    The meter looks rather like a voltmeter or an ammeter. A needle moves on the dial. The more it moves, the more emotional charge is there. It's very very sensitive.

    The questions aren't necessarily Yes-No questions, as if one was 'asking a pendulum' (though it can be used that way). The person being counseled can be talking about a complex situation they're dealing with, or a complex incident that happened some time ago, and then right in the middle of it all the meter may suddenly 'read strongly'.

    The exact very moment that happens, it means that there was an emotionally charged thought or memory right there. So it can be used very much as in my 'metal detector' analogy above.

    The WAY the needle moves also tells a story to an experienced auditor. It can show the presence of charge, or a release of charge, or charge that's there but which the person can't face up to yet (so the auditor will know about it, but the person being counseled may be unaware of it).

    And when the charge 'reads', it also shows the magnitude of the charge (and, when the right successful point is reached, the magnitude of the release.)

    All this takes some training, and even more training to operate solo. But that's just not needed. One just needs to find an auditor (Jim Newell is a very good one! ), and then they operate the meter, which they can see, and which guides them to ask the most effective questions and apply the most effective processes.

    But as I explained above, the meter isn't actually necessary (it's the auditor that's necessary!) — the meter just can help quite a lot sometimes, like any diagnostic instrument helping a technician to diagnose anything.

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    <snip> Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet.
    How does the remotely located auditor connect to the client's computer based emeter? Internet connection required? Emphatic connection required?

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    <snip> Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet.
    How does the remotely located auditor connect to the client's computer based emeter? Internet connection required? Emphatic connection required?
    Internet connection, via an application called TeamViewer. That allows the auditor (via a granted password) to see exactly what's on your own screen in real time.

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