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    A moderator note from Bill to introduce this new thread.

    I moved 13 posts below from the existing Dane Tops thread, as
    1. They weren't actually connected with Dane Tops' testimony and importance, and
    2. A new discussion was evolving which was all about how scientology auditing actually works — something that's also important but is very often not fully understood. (And equally often, not understood at all!)
    There are comparatively few articles or websites (and no books!) that lay this all out in simple, non-technical language, so with the help of others here I'll do my best to see if I can help a little.

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    As someone fairly well versed in "The Bridge" I do admit to some to the phenomena that was previously posted.
    But you should be quite well trained and well processed before attempting such activities.

    That was why LRH came up with the grade chart. The idea is to Win at this activity not to get overwhelmed by the sometimes wildness of it.

    I would advise to do the lower part of Bridge first and then get properly and standardly trained to do Upper levels.

    It is probably one of the most important spiritual activities You have Ever done!

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    Quote Posted by James Newell (here)
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    It is probably one of the most important spiritual activities You have Ever done!
    Now that is an interesting statement. I would like to know if this training is available to me, how long it takes, and how much does it cost? What commitments are involved?

    Not sure what prerequisites may be involved. I've been meditating (TM) since 1977 and I really do not know how much progress I've made with that discipline, or if this statement is relevant.

    I've looked at https://scientology.fandom.com/wiki/Rons_Org There are many terms I am not familiar with. I do not speak the Scientology language.

    I think I am looking for a beginners discussion of how this may be helpful to me and to others.

    Is a description of the E Meter available? Can it be constructed by an electronics tech? Must there be some mystical connection to an experienced practitioner before it becomes useful? Does the E meter have a digital output (yes/no) or an analog output scale? Any similarity to a Radionics device?
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    Quote Posted by James Newell (here)
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    It is probably one of the most important spiritual activities You have Ever done!
    Now that is an interesting statement. I would like to know if this training is available to me, how long it takes, and how much does it cost? What commitments are involved?

    Not sure what prerequisites may be involved. I've been meditating (TM) since 1977 and I really do not know how much progress I've made with that discipline, or if this statement is relevant.

    I've looked at https://scientology.fandom.com/wiki/Rons_Org There are many terms I am not familiar with. I do not speak the Scientology language.

    I think I am looking for a beginners discussion of how this may be helpful to me and to others.

    Is a description of the E Meter available? Can it be constructed by an electronics tech? Must there be some mystical connection to an experienced practitioner before it becomes useful? Does the E meter have a digital output (yes/no) or an analog output scale? Any similarity to a Radionics device?
    Ron, Hi there. Yes, that Ron's Org page was written by myself back in 2006, but it was specifically for people who'd already had some experience and knew some of the specialist terms.

    The language and technical jargon are always a problem — it's very similar to an intelligent layperson talking to a highly trained research scientist or engineer. They can lose you in 30 seconds, as well!

    Here's how it all works.

    Imagine you bang your thumb with a hammer in your workshop. That hurts! And it creates what's known as emotional charge. Separately from the thumb hurting a lot, you have attention on it and you can even remember vividly the last time it happened (ouch!), even if it was a year ago.

    That's called an 'incident'. An incident is something that happens to us that creates this 'charge'.

    But an incident isn't necessarily a physical impact. There can be emotional impacts, too. It can be a shock that comes from a communication, like suddenly getting bad news, or if someone says something unkind to you that's unexpected.

    Or encountering a problem, like suddenly seeing that an incoming check has bounced and so you'll be late paying a bill that's due.

    Often, if these things happened this morning or yesterday, they're clear in our mind. We don't have to figure anything out! We know we banged our thumb, or that that jerk at the checkout treated you badly, or that the check bounced.

    But when something happened a long time ago — like in a past life, or when we were a kid — the charge can still hang around (it can last literally forever, sometimes), and needs to be located.

    Analogy: imagine a metal detector. If you lose a coin in the long grass, you can probably find it again if you've just dropped it and know exactly where to look. But if that coin was dropped 100 years ago, and it's there but all buried, you'll need some help.

    So that's what the E-meter does. It locates charge that's definitely there, but you're not sure what it is or where it is or how it got there. That's all. It's just a very sensitive 'charge detector'.

    So if one wakes up in the morning, feeling a little upset, but one just can't put one's finger on what the problem is, the meter can very precisely locate the charge and what that's all about.

    One can do that on one's own (if one has a meter), but that needs a bit of training. (A metal detector does, too, but so does a geiger counter or a spectroscope.) But in the hands of an auditor (a scientology counselor), it simply helps the auditor get to the heart of the problem or identify the real issue really fast.

    THEN, once the charge is located, there are many hundreds of verbal question-and-answer processes — often very simple, but extraordinarily ingenious and effective — that ERASE the charge.

    THAT's what does the healing. Not the meter itself.

    And erasing the charge won't stop the guy at the checkout from being a jerk. Or clear your check for you. But they'll stop you feeling in any way upset about it. And then that means that the issues can more easily be handled in the real world.

    So the meter itself does nothing. It's just an instrument (and there are digital versions, that work on a computer screen: see this page) — but so is a pendulum or a dowsing rod. It's as simple as that. And for an auditor, it's not even necessary — it just often helps quite a lot.

    ~~~

    Regarding training to get some help FROM an auditor.... very little is needed. Just an orientation about how it works, how the processes work (there are one or two simple protocols, easily explained), and a few bits and pieces of useful language and concepts.

    The training is on the auditor's side. Not yours! So there's nothing to prevent an auditor from helping out. They could do that tomorrow.

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    Quote I would like to know if this training is available to me, how long it takes, and how much does it cost? What commitments are involved?

    There are many terms I am not familiar with. I do not speak the Scientology language.
    Depending on where you are or your internet connection, training is quite available in the freezone. How long a particular process takes depends on the individual, the first auditor I got up with gave the example that (not verbatim but saying basically) one person took 15 mins, another took an hour. It more-than-likely depends on the auditors skill and as well factoring into the circumstances and awareness of the individual receiving the auditing.

    Cost varies in that some auditors ask for hourly, some have package deals with unlimited times until something is handled, some do what is called a co-audit where two people get together with materials, can be done with no cost such as using the material in Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health, sometimes it may cost if doing other processes concerning bridge work and paying someone whom is trained to overlook the sessions.

    The Technical Dictionary of Scientology and Dianetics 1975 version has all if not most of the definitions.

    If I may link the RONS Org Grenchen site that holds the materials, https://stss.nl/materials/ that book can be found there among the other books and some tapes.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qgZ...dFc0HL73V/view The book.
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    I would say you can get acquainted rather easy, probably getting the books on the subject is a good start.

    If you want some counseling or as we call it "Auditing" you or anyone can PM me or send me an email directly.
    My website may answer some questions as to what I do and what others have achieved with the subject.

    You can toe dip and get gains or you can jump in and go for it. It is a lot of material and yes if you do the whole bridge you can spend some money and time at it.
    I have been doing this activity most of my adult lifetime, it still keeps delivering in abundance to me.

    My website: www.getmoreable.com

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    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    Is a description of the E Meter available? Can it be constructed by an electronics tech? Must there be some mystical connection to an experienced practitioner before it becomes useful? Does the E meter have a digital output (yes/no) or an analog output scale? Any similarity to a Radionics device?
    It's also known as a wheatstone bridge, nothing mystical about it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge

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    The Wheatstone bridge is familiar to me.

    Is the variable leg connected to a physical body?
    If yes, connected to the auditor or the client?

    Are verbal questions posed and reactions (resistance change) observed?
    If yes, must the answer be binary, yes or no?

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    You can buy used emeters on Ebay. They are mechanical and basically work on a resistance changes to the body. It was discovered mental image pictures react instantly to questions and commands and charged incidents are more easily spotted with the emeter. Charge incidents change the resistance of the body. Entire phrases are able to be discerned if there is "charge" on an area.The person receiving the auditing holds the cans (electrodes) it is about 12 volts or less. Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet. He is a nice fellow from Russia selling these.

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    Quote Posted by James Newell (here)
    You can buy used emeters on Ebay. They are mechanical and basically work on a resistance changes to the body. It was discovered mental image pictures react instantly to questions and commands and charged incidents are more easily spotted with the emeter. Charge incidents change the resistance of the body. Entire phrases are able to be discerned if there is "charge" on an area.The person receiving the auditing holds the cans (electrodes) it is about 12 volts or less. Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet. He is a nice fellow from Russia selling these.
    Yes. This is all getting a bit technical! But the info may be interesting.

    My meter uses 2 AA batteries, so the total voltage is just 2.4 volts. Those two batteries lasted nearly 20 years (!) before I had to replace them for the first time. So the current passing through the body is literally negligible.

    The meter looks rather like a voltmeter or an ammeter. A needle moves on the dial. The more it moves, the more emotional charge is there. It's very very sensitive.

    The questions aren't necessarily Yes-No questions, as if one was 'asking a pendulum' (though it can be used that way). The person being counseled can be talking about a complex situation they're dealing with, or a complex incident that happened some time ago, and then right in the middle of it all the meter may suddenly 'read strongly'.

    The exact very moment that happens, it means that there was an emotionally charged thought or memory right there. So it can be used very much as in my 'metal detector' analogy above.

    The WAY the needle moves also tells a story to an experienced auditor. It can show the presence of charge, or a release of charge, or charge that's there but which the person can't face up to yet (so the auditor will know about it, but the person being counseled may be unaware of it).

    And when the charge 'reads', it also shows the magnitude of the charge (and, when the right successful point is reached, the magnitude of the release.)

    All this takes some training, and even more training to operate solo. But that's just not needed. One just needs to find an auditor (Jim Newell is a very good one! ), and then they operate the meter, which they can see, and which guides them to ask the most effective questions and apply the most effective processes.

    But as I explained above, the meter isn't actually necessary (it's the auditor that's necessary!) — the meter just can help quite a lot sometimes, like any diagnostic instrument helping a technician to diagnose anything.

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    Quote Posted by James Newell (here)
    <snip> Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an E-meter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet.
    How does the remotely located auditor connect to the client's computer based E-meter? Internet connection required? Emphatic connection required?
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    <snip> Also you can buy one from theta-meter.com a box and cans and download software that can turn your computer into an emeter. This allows someone to audit you anywhere on the planet.
    How does the remotely located auditor connect to the client's computer based emeter? Internet connection required? Emphatic connection required?
    Internet connection, via an application called TeamViewer. That allows the auditor (via a granted password) to see exactly what's on your own screen in real time.

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    Quote Ron, Hi there. Yes, that Ron's Org page was written by myself back in 2006, but it was specifically for people who'd already had some experience and knew some of the specialist terms.
    One paragraph taken from the website.

    "In auditing, major stress is laid on the standard that every auditing action, as laid out on the bridge from 1976, is done thoroughly and to its full EP. “Quickying” is rightly recognised and regarded as a false economy which can slow or even damage cases in the long run. It is never condoned or supported."

    I have heard that checking and verbally stating that one checks for a read on the meter is a form of quickying a grade, when there has been LRH references stating all process of the grades and none less.

    Is this what you're referring to in the quoted paragraph? If not, what would be considered doing something quick on the bridge, which would result in a quickifying action?

    There is a website which I'll edit in later discussing this once/if their database is restored.

    Edit: I'll put the site in another post as it begs another question as to what the site claims the RONS Org are doing concerning reads.
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    Quote Ron, Hi there. Yes, that Ron's Org page was written by myself back in 2006, but it was specifically for people who'd already had some experience and knew some of the specialist terms.
    One paragraph taken from the website.

    "In auditing, major stress is laid on the standard that every auditing action, as laid out on the bridge from 1976, is done thoroughly and to its full EP. “Quickying” is rightly recognised and regarded as a false economy which can slow or even damage cases in the long run. It is never condoned or supported."

    I have heard that checking and verbally stating that one checks for a read on the meter is a form of quickying a grade, when there has been LRH references stating all process of the grades and none less.

    Is this what you're referring to in the quoted paragraph? If not, what would be considered doing something quick on the bridge, which would result in a quickifying action?

    There is a website which I'll edit in later discussing this once/if their database is restored.
    Hi there, and happy to clarify, of course. But could you kindly expand on this paragraph a little, or phrase your question in another way? I confess I didn't fully (or exactly) understand it. —>
    Quote I have heard that checking and verbally stating that one checks for a read on the meter is a form of quickying a grade, when there has been LRH references stating all process of the grades and none less.
    But anticipating what I think you meant, there are two factors here:

    1) One does not run a process that's got no charge on it. So with a meter, one always checks the wording of the question for a 'meter read' (i.e. to verify there's emotional charge connected with the item).

    To use a nonsense example, if the process question was: "Did you ever eat an apple that tasted like a hamburger?", and there was no emotional charge on that (i.e. no 'read' on the meter), then one would NOT run that process.

    That's because UNnecessary auditing actions often CREATE charge, where there was none in the first place. That was something that very often happened in the Church, causing people to get more and more bogged down in issues that were never issues to start with. That's why this is so important.

    That's one of the ways the Church CREATED 'case' in people. And therefore created never-ending dependency, all in their financial and manipulative interest.

    Regarding the entire Grades Processes, let me explain this to non-scientologists.

    There are 5 'Grades', which is the name given to a program of processes all designed to handle a particular area of life, which with most people contains quite a lot of accumulated emotional charge, for any reason one might imagine.
    • Grade 0 handles Communications.
    • Grade 1 handles Help and Problems.
    • Grade 2 handles Harmful Actions.
    • Grade 3 handles Changes and Upsets.
    • Grade 4 handles detrimental "I'm-better-than-you" Fixed Ideas.
    Each 'Grade' contains 20-30 processes, all planned out in a careful sequence. As in the 'apple' example above, each process question is checked to see if there is actually any emotional charge connected with it. If not, one does NOT run it.

    At some point in running all those 20+ processes (and that takes quite some time and application over probably a dozen long sessions or more), there'll be what's known as a 'major release' on the entire topic. For instance, in Grade 1 (Help and Problems), one might very suddenly reach the point of: [something like!]
    "WOW! I feel just great. I had all these heavy problems before, and they really weighed me down all the time. But now they don't seem like a weight at all. I just have to solve them. And that'll be easy to do now."
    The real-world issues haven't changed. Their boss at work is still a jerk, and they're still underpaid. But the person's attitude, feeling and confidence about all that has transformed. The emotional charge is all gone. And then that makes the real world issues MUCH easier to deal with practically.

    So when that point is reached, one does NOT go past that. Because that'd be an invalidation (negation) of the 'win'.

    It'd be like a mechanic carefully tuning a car engine, adjusting everything, getting it running perfectly and optimally — and then CONTINUING to work on it as if that optimum point had never been reached. What that mechanic would do is mess it all up again.

    What that all means is that one MUST stop at the right point, when the goal has been reached. If you're climbing a mountain, and you never realize you've actually reached the summit, you just carry on down the other side in the fog, going lower and lower again.

    2) Regarding 'quickying', that's just stopping too early. It's not so bad as going past the optimum point. But it simply means the job hasn't yet been done.

    Using the Grade 1 "Help and Problems" example, the person being audited might say after a couple of hours (or earlier!): "Hey, I feel pretty good now, thanks."

    But then if the auditor (counselor) thought that was the end of the entire Grade 1 program, and decided there was nothing more to be done on the entire issue of Help and Problems (and there's usually quite a lot, with most people!), then they'd really be selling their client short.

    It would be like the mechanic telling the car owner: "Hey, your engine's in great shape now" — when actually, he'd only just done a little bit to improve it, but far from what could actually be done to getting it working REALLY well.
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    Quote Hi there, and happy to clarify, of course. But first, could you kindly expand on this paragraph a little, or phrase your question in another way? I confess I didn't fully (or exactly) understand it. —>
    Quote I have heard that checking and verbally stating that one checks for a read on the meter is a form of quickying a grade, when there has been LRH references stating all process of the grades and none less.
    But anticipating what I think you meant, there are two factors here:
    You got it! You answered my question fully.

    Thanks for moving these topics to another thread, it'll be interesting to see everyone chipping in with technical know-hows.

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    That allows the auditor (via a granted password) to see exactly what's on your own screen in real time.
    I assume that the dynamics of the meter movement, not only "right or left" plays an important role. If true, are the dynamics monitored for more than one second?

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    Are the emotionally charged issues discovered as a response to carefully crafted questions posed by the auditor?

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    That allows the auditor (via a granted password) to see exactly what's on your own screen in real time.
    I assume that the dynamics of the meter movement, not only "right or left" plays an important role. If true, are the dynamics monitored for more than one second?
    Ron, forgive me, but I may not understand the question. If I've not answered it below, can you rephrase it?

    Either remotely (via a digital meter using TeamViewer screen sharing), or in the same room, the meter displays its sensitive needle movements 100% instantly in real time. That's very important, as the meter might be reacting to a single emotionally charged word, concept or thought that might not last very long at all.

    Sometimes, a 'read' will occur quite unexpectedly, and then 'disappear' again quickly. When that happens, the auditor will check back to establish exactly what prompted the read. When the same word, thought or concept is revisited or repeated, the needle movement will recur identically. So then that establishes what the 'charged item' may be.

    The auditor makes detailed notes by hand on paper, and is also looking at their client with care and attention. As well as that, they have the meter in their field of view, so they're monitoring everything all at once. That takes a little training, but it's actually not too hard with practice.

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    Are the emotionally charged issues discovered as a response to carefully crafted questions posed by the auditor?
    Yes. Before any processing is started, there's a very detailed and comprehensive interview that covers every aspect of the client's life.

    As the interview progresses, the meter will be registering on various items. "Mother-in-Law." "My Boss." "My neighbor's dog." "Problems with my car." (Or anything else, large or small, in the known universe!)

    The auditor will then straight away focus on the issues which are the MOST charged. (The greater the needle movement, the greater the charge. So they're very easy to identify.) And then they would tackle those most-charged items first, as priority.

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    Please let me know if my imagination needs correction:


    An analog center zero meter is observed by the auditor.
    A response from the client is observed on the meter.
    The meter swings left or right and may have other dynamic movement that may be diagnostically significant.
    The meter returns to center after how much time?

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