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    I finally finished reading the transcript of Bill's Dane Tops interview. I find this fascinating:

    D: "There are so many isms and things that came out of Scientology. Regression. Rebirthing came out of it, Primal Scream, Werner Erhard’s est came out of it, Landmark came out of it, NXIVM came out of it and NXIVM is just fabulous, improving on some things in Scientology in several important ways. I’ve done them all and seen what people did with Hubbard’s stuff."

    NXIVM is fabulous? Dane was in the NXIVM cult? Interesting...

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    It is a surprise to connect Scientology to Rebirthing. Years ago, I experimented with Rebirthing a few times. Some people have a significant and dramatic reaction. I felt no change except some physical attraction to the lady facilitator during the process.

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    It is a surprise to connect Scientology to Rebirthing. Years ago, I experimented with Rebirthing a few times. Some people have a significant and dramatic reaction. I felt no change except some physical attraction to the lady facilitator during the process.
    Yes, I knew about the connection with Rebirthing. It is a very creative application of the Dianetics book, so creative that Scientology can't really take credit.

    Apparently the notorious sex cult started out as a spin-off of Scientology:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/inside...y_2977898.html

    NEW YORK—Keith Raniere, the former leader of purported self-help organization NXIVM “borrowed heavily” from the teachings of Scientology, copied a number of its internal methodologies, and, in some instances, plagiarized word-for-word its unique terminology for his own exalted classes.

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    I think the nwo is into buying up workable spiritual tech. Also any religion that can be downgraded into manipulating the people of this planet. This includes the big 3 religions. I don't know about Buddhism, but I have heard that the Dali Lama sold out long ago too.

    It seems you have to adhere very tightly to your own code and not be lured into selling out or a blind follower of anything.

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    Quote Posted by James Newell (here)
    I think the nwo is into buying up workable spiritual tech. Also any religion that can be downgraded into manipulating the people of this planet. This includes the big 3 religions. I don't know about Buddhism, but I have heard that the Dali Lama sold out long ago too.
    Raniere attracted some Bronfmans, while Scientology attracted some Khashoggis. Both families have been associated with the mafia. Supposedly the CIA was very interested in cults in connection with mind control.
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    Quote Posted by mischief (here)
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    Standard Scientology does work quite well and I and my many preclears can attest it works quite well. Miracles can occur and amazing realizations are just part of it. If one didn't get these kind of gains I don't think they were doing it standardly.
    My observation has been that "Standard Scientology" as practised before 1978 or so, did work quite well, but nowhere nearly as well as advertised, and led to psychological dependency for another and another and another session. Occasional "super powers" were a temporary, one-off of the type one might get in any other mystical practice. Standard Scientology as practised now in the Church of Scientology appears to do more damage than good, due to the emphasis on "confessionals" and Nazi-style management practices that outweigh whatever good can be achieved in the course room or session room.

    The much ballyhooed "Old OT levels" 4 - 7 did not produce permanent results for most people, did not produce super powers, so those who had money ended up doing the expensive "L" rundowns in search of those powers. Eventually in 1978 they introduced the "new OT levels," which do not even attempt to develop any so-called super powers, are strictly about erasing and other "negative gain." The history of Scientology is one of new promises and hype on top of previous failed promises, all the way back to 1950. If Hubbard were alive and vital today, the current program would have been scrapped and maybe a few new programs introduced with accompanying hype, wild claims and new false hope for new generations.
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    Yes, Tom, but if I may gently say, you're not up to date. There may be quite a bit you're not fully aware of, or not familiar with.

    The Bridge has since been expanded to a very significant extent outside of the Church. The new material really does work, and work extremely well.
    Unfortunately Bill, those of us who suffered under the current Scio regime and I am assuming its still the same regime, have difficulty accepting, let alone hoping what you say is true.

    I have come to the conclusion that there has been a systematic 'Find, Isolate, divide and conquer' strategy put in place to ensure all inhabitants on this planet are reduced to a decayed state.
    It is my belief that this has been on going for centuries and is now in its final stages. I'm feeling a bit negative right now, sorry, but I think we have run out of time unless you and your people have something that can turn things around right now.
    It does appear that way.

    Perhaps if enough small activities, (which are happening now in varying degrees on a dynamic basis) got something really rolling, they would encompass and surpass the strategy of reducing all of the inhabitants to a decayed state while appearing isolated yet connected by their intention for things to change for the better.



    Talking about decay over the course of time, and the intentions to reverse such decay, among other topics.

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    Entropy is a part of the Natural order, after all.

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    The thing that Dane spoke of in the interview is the most ultimate way of handling all sorts of human difficulties.

    When a person is no longer viewing from inside their body, a lot more possibilities come into play.

    I am saying this due to being exposed to an individual in the freezone who was operating as such.

    He demonstrated what is referred to as OT not only to I, but to others.

    One of the things I heard he was doing was freeing beings on a wide-scale whom were not preoccupied with bodies, and giving either some or all the full bridge.

    Perhaps some of the people who are going to pick up a body already have had their cases dismantled to a good degree where they will not need the bridge. Some went on to their own home universe others stayed and helped here.

    This may be another reason why people feel they have been in contact with the subject of Dianetics and Scientology before their current body status. The RONS Org team had been assisting this way?

    Then there are the one's who just arrived in this particular universe with most if not all their abilities intact, or regaining most of themselves and not acting "case" wise.

    I recall Captain Bill speaking about an "OT Power Change" during an ethics lecture. http://www.ronsorg.org/tableofcontents/Conditions1.htm

    It's not similar in the sense of giving another the bridge where they handle everything and get on with their selves, but giving all the secrets of how to do certain things to another individual.

    I know because I denied such a communication when this person came over here. Later I heard he dropped the body from one of his PCs, and that he was visiting people. I didn't even know he was admitted into a hospital before-hand.

    I post this so others can know that there are things that can be obtained via Scientology and Dianetics, I saw what it could do for him at least. I have not personally seen another in the freezone operating as such.

    I thought how would this serve anyone to mention all this, would it produce imagination in people where they too think by the bridge they would get like that? There are many things said that people who hope for these things with this material do not get like that.

    Since I am unsure in regards to what the bridge does to people on an individual level, I see that the bridge and the materials can give the most freedom possible for a person, and that these possibilities truly are unique.
    But something else stirs in me that says as long as one gets up with someone who uses the golden ball on an ivory stick, more than previous possibilities become more assured due to their knowingness acting on the person they are trying to help.

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