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    London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lo...nce-2018-04-02

    Published: Apr 2, 2018 2:05 p.m. ET

    Using the same logic as gun control in the U.S., it appears London should out law knives, or register them upon purchase, and a background check . Because we know that the knives are doing the killing not the people. London band guns in 1997 how's that working?

    Hint: people kill with whatever they can get there hands on.

    ( I couldn't resist ) hope i don't get demerit points for this.....

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    Londoners are alarmed that their city has seen more murders over the past two months than New York City — as police across the pond deal with a surge in knife crime, according to reports.

    In February and March, 37 people were killed in London, compared to 35 in the Big Apple, according to the Sunday Times.

    Now local pols are even looking to New York’s Finest for crime-fighting inspiration.

    Read: This U.S. city ranks No. 1 for quality of life

    “New York has been able to bring down serious violence through a public health approach,” Croydon Central MP Sarah Jones, who chairs a parliamentary committee on knife crime, told the BBC.

    “We need a proper strategy that looks at all of the issues.”

    The Metropolitan Police has investigated 44 murders so far this year, 31 of which were the result of stabbings. Eight murders occurred between March 14 and March 20 alone.

    The total number of murders — even excluding victims of terrorism — in London has skyrocketed by 38 percent since 2014.

    “London’s violent traits have become a virus,” former Metropolitan Police Superintendent Leroy Logan told BBC News.

    New York City and London are similar in population size. The UK banned handguns in 1997.

    In January, London fared a bit better, recording just eight killings — 10 fewer than New York.

    London City Hall said it’s “deeply concerned” about the spike in knife crime, but insisted the capital “remains one of the safest [cities] in the world.”

    A version of this report appears on NYPost.com.
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    Default Re: London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

    More people die in the US from chemicals under their sink then by guns, With 300 + million guns in this country and maybe a lot more, you'd think we would have mass killings everyday but the majority are law abiding gun owners, our problem here in the states are the psychotropic drugs, I wonder how many of the knife incidents involve people on these drugs?? And yes Ramus, people will do whatever is needed to complete their evil deed.

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    I did see this yesterday and at first thought it may have been some
    sort of sick April fools prank , but it is real....




    London murder rate overtakes New York's

    1/4/18

    A spike in violent crime in London saw more murders committed in the
    city in February and March than there were in New York, figures show.

    So far in 2018, the Met Police has investigated 46 murders, compared
    with 50 in the US city.

    But, while New York's murder rate decreased from the end of January,
    London's rose markedly from that point.Ex-Met Police Ch Supt Leroy
    Logan says it is proof that "London's violent traits have become a virus".

    Statistics from the New York Police Department (NYPD) and the Metropolitan
    Police, reported in the Sunday Times and obtained by the BBC, highlight
    narrowing murder rates between the two cities, which have similar population sizes

    read more....


    ◾In January, the Met investigated eight murders whereas the NYPD looked into 18 killings
    ◾By February, the NYPD's figures had dropped to 11, while London's rose to 15
    ◾In March, 22 murders were investigated in London while 21 inquiries were launched in New York
    The Met said it was "concerned at the increase in murders in London".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936

    ================================================== ===============




    Met Police chief: Social media leads children to violence
    31 March 2018



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43603080
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    Default Re: London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

     
    Rather than making all these new laws to ban instruments of murder, let's just make murder illegal? Such a perfect and simple solution that surely will get rid of murder. After all, no one ever breaks the law, right? After that we can make black market selling of guns illegal, just to make sure no one has any access. That should work, right?

    The real reality is this: Hurt people, hurt people. You'll never reduce murder and "terrorism" until you address this -- it matters not what your laws are.
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    Default Re: London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

    Dubious claim to fame, sadly.

    I suspect that there is a lot less reporting of crime in general now that London in particular has a two-tiered system of justice - the Admiralty law of the west and the Sharia law of the middle east.
    Why Not?

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    Quote More people die in the US from chemicals under their sink then by guns,
    That's a good point and I did a post on it , out of the hundreds of thousands
    of people who die each day for all reasons gun crime was not in the top 10
    and is probably well down the list. I am not defending gun violence at all just
    saying it should be put in context.

    This is a worrying one the mainstream put it down to more people living longer
    or pollution. I think chemtrails spraying metals in the skies may have something
    to do with it as well

    Quote Deaths due to dementias more than doubled between 2000 and 2015,
    making it the 7th leading cause of global deaths in 2015.

    WHO ( World Health Organisation )

    WHO updates fact sheet on Top 10 causes of Death (27 January 2017)

    Posted on February 1, 2017

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has updated its fact sheet
    on the Top 10 causes of death worldwide.In addition to providing
    the leading causes of death in 2015, it lists the top causes of death
    by income category as well. To facilitate comparison, the top 10
    causes of death in 2000 are also provided.

    http://www.who.int/gho/mortality_bur...ath/top_10/en/



    read more...https://communitymedicine4asses.word...-january-2017/
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    It is amazing how the media can main stream a topic , guns, alternative life styles , political agendas, and the steeple follow right along. I use to think that the public was asleep but it looks more like they're hypnotized ..... T.V.'s flicker rate, or cadence, that everyone marches to seems to be the vehicle of choice. Maybe we should outlaw it or at lease regulate it, subliminal suggestion is legal why? Psychotropic drugs also need a hard look.
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    @DeDukshyn and all-

    a few yrs. ago I was in Dublin and our tour guide (I really enjoy the Irish sense of humor) stated (circumstances behind following too much for an Email):

    (following has thick Irish accent and I love it)

    "Everyt'ing is legal until you get CAUGHT!"

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    I know you crazy brits love your knives and all, BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    ban all pointythings!

    (kinda makes the "gun control" issue a non-issue eh?)
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    Quote I know you crazy brits love your knives and all, BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
    ban all pointythings!
    (kinda makes the "gun control" issue a non-issue eh?)
    It a long term communist plot .....First Chinese Take away's....




    Still dangerous though we will be back to our fingers next...




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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
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    It a long term communist plot .....
    It really is.... the 10 planks of communism are a very interesting study in the light of today's society in "the land of the free".....

    OMFG... that's probably not good for future cognitive growth... parents nightmare.
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    Default Re: London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

    Well it's not that simple of course. Guns are much more effective for mass killings. Think about it..

    - Unless you're a ninja, you can't walk into a movie theatre and spray the audience with a whole bunch of knives and hope to really kill anybody.

    - You can't go into a school and spray a bunch of knives into a cafeteria and kill a large number of kids.

    - You can't throw a few knives into a crowd from a Las Vegas balcony and kill a bunch of people.

    In each of these hypothetical scenario's, you may harm or kill a couple people..but you can kill so many more with an automatic weapon.

    It's these mass shootings that has everyone in an uproar. Not mass stabbings, mass shootings. It's infinitely easier to kill a bunch of people with an automatic weapon than it is with a few knives, okay. I mean, c'mon man!

    I don't have any dog in this gun fight really (no pun intended). Guns make me uncomfortable; I don't trust the average person who carries one around, but I think I trust my government less. These mass shootings have 'problem-reaction-solution' written all over them, so I don't let them get me all emotional these days. These are manufactured scenarios designed to polarize, scare, and likely disarm citizens. I get that. But you can't compare guns and knives when it comes to economy of killing. It's just silly.

    It's real simple - ask yourself this: If your goal was to kill as many people in a crowd as possible, would you bring an automatic weapon or a pocketful of knives?
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    It's real simple - ask yourself this: If your goal was to kill as many people in a crowd as possible, would you bring an automatic weapon or a pocketful of knives?
    I'll just say this.

    Some things are impossible to explain until experienced. During my training I was taught that anything closer than 30 feet (10 meters) is a problem, the speed a human can close that distance and ease of bladed weapons in setting of pure victims (non combatants, zero resistance) is mind boggling.

    I don't know that your example is the best, guns aren't magic wands that hit anything you point at... but it sure is hard to miss with a knife; and the average citizen of the majority of the western world is woefully unprepared for a situation like that (gun or knife).... well unless your in texas or alaska


    also, automatic weapons are already basically illegal, I don't think gun control is working (re: vegas)
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    Default Re: London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

    I think I get what you're saying there, TargeT (and I'm glad your internet is up and running again)

    No doubt you have way more experience than me in this type of stuff. I've heard it said many times that firing a gun "is not like the movies", where no one ever misses. I don't doubt it.

    I certainly can imagine a scenario where a gun owner - who may practice firing now n again but has never fired at an attacker in a live situation - might actually be at a disadvantage against someone wielding a big blade in close quarters.

    But in a situation where there's a large crowd of people, and your goal isn't to kill any specific person really, but a bunch of people..spraying bullets in their direction would seem to be the way to go. It's much faster than, say, running around and attempting to stab a bunch of people. The people would have time to react, and flee a man with a knife. The guy with the knife, no matter how skilled, would still have to track people down one at a time, whereas a gunman could spray bullets indiscriminately...and do it from a safe distance so as to avoid being stopped. Also, it would be much easier for a crowd to converge on a man with a knife than a man with a firing gun.
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    Default Re: London’s murder count surpasses New York’s on jump in knife violence

    Cider,
    I'm curious. Is there a breakdown of how many Englishman virus middle eastern immigrants using knives? Or maybe authorities don't want the answer to that. I'm very curious

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    The guy with the knife, no matter how skilled, would still have to track people down one at a time, whereas a gunman could spray bullets indiscriminately...and do it from a safe distance so as to avoid being stopped. Also, it would be much easier for a crowd to converge on a man with a knife than a man with a firing gun.
    So you are saying, if you use a knife, you need to really pick and choose your targets, but with a gun, you can be more random. Therefore guns win? Your previous point was that guns are more dangerous because they can kill more, yet the premise of this thread is that knives have killed more.

    But I do see where you are coming from - it is probably easier to stand at a distance and pull a trigger than to push a blade through the skin of someone, but I've never done either, so I'm guessing.

    Assault rifle sales may need far better vetting of purchasers (and there is the question of why people need to own one, outside of collectors), but at the end of the day, if I want to kill 10 random people, I can still get my assault rifle on the black market - where there's no cool off period or background checks.

    Again, we need to look at why people are driven to kill others, and mitigate that scenario. The problem is no one wants to really look there.
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    Quote Cider,
    I'm curious. Is there a breakdown of how many Englishman virus middle eastern immigrants
    using knives? Or maybe authorities don't want the answer to that. I'm very curious
    Most serious violence is mainly in the big cities and larger towns either gang or
    crime related,youth friction or domestic as with most countries. There is a rise
    and fall in knife crime every decadeor so. Ethnic diversity in London is huge
    and probably has something to do to it as in the US but I cannot find a chart...

    ================================================== ==
    ================================================== ==

    INDEPENDENT...

    Ethnic minorities most likely to be both victims and suspects of crime, UK race report finds

    Black, Asian and mixed-raced people more than one and a half times more likely to
    be arrested than white people – and considerably more likely to be victims of crime,
    race audit reveals
    May Bulman Social Affairs Correspondent |@maybulman |
    Tuesday 10 October 2017

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7993521.html
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    GOV UK

    National Statistics

    Race and the criminal justice system 2016
    This report compiles statistics from data sources across the Criminal Justice System
    (CJS), to provide a combined perspective on the typical experiences of different
    ethnic groups in England and Wales, 2016.

    read more...https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ce-system-2016
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    Ethnic minorities most likely to be both victims and suspects of crime, UK race report finds

    Black, Asian and mixed-raced people more than one and a half times more likely to be
    arrested than white people – and considerably more likely to be victims of crime, race
    audit reveals
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7993521.html

    I wonder if the answer to that would be anything like answering the question of muslim terrorists vs white people/westerners. I checked into the stats and actually of all terrorist related deaths in the world, about +90% of the victims are other muslims - not westerners or whites. It amazes me the way our media can make us plain assume certain things that often are not only untrue, but the opposite of reality.

    Take the gun violence thing for example. Violent crime in general, while on a slight rise recently, is still waaaay down (like 50-70% down) from where it was in the early nineties, but who would know? Our media paints an entirely different picture, and while we might argue about the details of the picture, very few actually question the picture itself ... so here we are arguing about how bad gun and knife violence is instead of celebrating this vast reduction in violent crime. Why? Because our media makes us do it (hypnosis?), because we don't question the picture.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-1990/
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    Here in the U.S. the only way to have gun control is to confiscate the 300 million + guns already out in private hands. I Never see that happening. I would say that most of that 300 million guns are unregistered. So that would be door to door searches to find them, think about compliance by authorities in different states, how divisive that would be. London outlawed guns in 1997, murder rate went up with knives. People murder people lets ban people.

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    Quote I wonder if the answer to that would be anything like answering the question of muslim terrorists
    vs white people/westerners. I checked into the stats and actually of all terrorist related deaths in the world,
    about +90% of the victims are other muslims - not westerners or whites. It amazes me the way our media
    can make us plain assume certain things that often are not only untrue, but the opposite of reality.
    Also 99% of muslims are peacefull the main theological dispute is between the two main sects led
    by Saudi and Iran which goes back centuries, Israel/Palestine has complicated things. Afghanistan has
    always been a difficult place to run centrally with all its tribal groups. Pakistan and Turkey two muslim
    countries with internal and external flash points and there are others with various degrees of wars/violence
    going on. The same has gone on in the west with Catholic and protestant sects since the 15th century
    With Martin Luther in Germany , Henry V111 in England and the Huguenots in France and elsewhere
    culminating in the 30 years war.

    Most recently was the crazy conflict in Northern Ireland which had flared up off and on since the 15th century.
    The province of Northern Ireland, as recorded by the UK Census 2011, has a population of 1,810,863..
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...rthern_Ireland and for over 30 years there were bombing,
    shooting almost daily between white anglo/Saxon/celts a tiny spot on the world map that did spill into
    Eire and the UK mainland but on the news everynight.....

    Where am I going with this ? ...... Small controlled conflicts play into the NWO plan after WW11 of limited
    wars designed to keep fear going ,keep the mil ind budgets up without going global now nuclear weapons
    assured mutual destruction . So the manipulation of genuine conflicts and engineering them has been
    part of this control meme. Which is why the media does not put the full context and connect the dots
    which would lead to much of this being connected understood and put under the spotlight to expose
    the various deepstates and hidden hands that run the world and crush them imo...

    All that from London overtaking NY in violent crime.....
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