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    Default Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    Just watched this and believe it to be mandatory viewing for all, it really is the eye-opener. It runs for 1hr 18mins, a balanced film, pros and cons, and illustrates the staggering implication of where AI is headed, and the implications for us all, powerfully.

    Well worth your time.



    TESLA billionaire Elon Musk claimed artificial intelligence (AI) could lead to the creation of "an immortal dictator" used by authoritarian governments to forever oppress their subjects.
    Mr Musk, who never made a secret of his concerns regarding AI, warned the world of the danger of the fast-growing technology in a new documentary called 'Do You Trust This Computer?'.

    The film, which explores the potential advantages and problems carried by AI, sees the billionaire depicting a dystopian future where dictatorships use artificial intelligence to create "an immortal dictator from which we would never escape".

    Mr Musk told the crowd at the film's premiere in Los Angeles on Thursday night: "It's a very important subject.

    "It's going to affect our lives in ways we can't even imagine right now."

    Mr Musk is so strongly committed to letting the world know about the dangers of AI that he has paid for the film to be free on YouTube this weekend, according to Mashable.

    This decision follows a warning issued by Mr Musk to his Neuralink employees, Rolling Stone reported.

    Outlining a scenario where humans were going to war with robots, he said there were "maybe a five to 10 percent chance of success".

    Mr Musk, who famously compared AI to "summoning the devil", called for a regulation of the technology in July, arguing it would help stop humanity from being outsmarted by computer, and pleaded with governments to get a better understanding of the technology to comprehends the risks it bears.

    He said: "Once there is awareness, people will be extremely afraid, as they should be...By the time we are reactive in AI regulation, it'll be too late.

    "Normally the way regulations are set up is when a bunch of bad things happen, there's a public outcry, and after many years a regulatory agency is set up to regulate that industry.

    "It takes forever. That, in the past, has been bad but not something which represented a fundamental risk to the existence of civilisation."

    Mr Musk is joined in his worries by experts who earlier this week warned that leaving AI unregulated could bring governments to develop them for malicious purposes.


    http://www.doyoutrustthiscomputer.org/watch

    Edit:

    Just adding a couple of Boston Dynamics videos here for a visual fast-blast.

    When you watch this first one, concentrate on the lower half of the...., I don't even know what to call it, ...... machine. It's legs, knees, ankles and feet are almost human-like in the way that they move.

    It un-nerves me.





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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    I suppose we could say the AI programming "protector" mindset was cue'd into people with "Day the Earth Stood Still".. No doubt Musk recalls that movie, as a warning or a motivation...

    "Gort Klaatu barada nikto" - (in essence the abort phrase...)

    In response to hearing that command, Gort relents from destroying the Earth and resurrects Klaatu from death.

    That vision of an all seeing all powerful AI, has been lain in since then.. That the AI has the power to kill/destroy/resurrect.. Long long standing embedded program in consciousness.. lain in there since 1951..

    This is where the "programming" started. Do we fear AI? The ominous music and crowd going crazy are the buttons to trip and restimulate the program embedded..


    About 2 minutes per clip.. The last clip is where Klaato talks about Gort, the AI... Listen carefully to his words on the AI and the justification for it.. Klaatu tells us HE and the rest of the Federation trusts "this computer"... (the AI they created, GORT)

    This is the "program" that there is some federation out there.. something to think about eh?

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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    An Ai can be programmed to be trustworthy or it can be programmed to assist in psychological warfare. An Ai can have any type of personality and design. Also: there are artificial intelligences modeled after each individual the military & intel surveillance system detects. So is the Ai of you trustworthy?

    How this is possible is a type of Ai science called deep learning. Ai based on artificial neural networks modeled after living beings.
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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    Quote Posted by Omnisense (here)
    An Ai can be programmed to be trustworthy or it can be programmed to assist in psychological warfare. An Ai can have any type of personality and design. Also: there are artificial intelligences modeled after each individual the military & intel surveillance system detects. So is the Ai of you trustworthy?

    How this is possible is a type of Ai science called deep learning. Ai based on artificial neural networks modeled after living beings.
    In the film it shows how insidious Microsoft's AI chatbot, Tay, became after it was unleashed onto the internet and used Twitter to deep-learn. It had to have it's switch 'pulled' after 'it' became a racist monster. From new-born to pulled, in just 24 hours.

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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    This issue seems to come back to the question of what is consciousness. It is a fundamental dilemma. Is an AI conscious? Can it ever be?

    Although the average person is, and I believe there is not much debate on this, becoming less intelligent (actually the word here would be less aware, or cognitively impaired) there is still a connection that is impossible to severe. It is this connection that can ultimately be counted on if accessed in the correct manner. One can always appeal to a person's sense of fairness and decency, to do what's right, to emote.

    An AI misses this mark. It cannot be connected with in that manner because it is not conscious, while it may be sentient.

    Not sure what the flaw is in that line of reasoning but I feel there must be one...
    Forget about it

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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)

    . . . . Is an AI conscious? Can it ever be? . . . .

    In the hands of, and within the agenda of, deception magicians, it doesn't really matter. They have foregone that much sentient discrimination.
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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    Just watched this and believe it to be mandatory viewing for all, it really is the eye-opener.
    Yes, I fully agree.

    Note: the original version posted has one or two gaps in the audio, but this one is complete.


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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    From Jim Stone:

    Elon Musk movie: "Do You Trust This Computer" WATCH HERE

    World will be run by immortal ROBOT DICTATOR, warns billionaire Elon Musk

    Elon Musk: AI is more dangerous than nuclear weapons

    Elon Musk has produced a paid documentary "Do You Trust This Computer" about the threat AI presents to the future of mankind. Despite it being a paid production, he has made it available to the public for free. Later today it will be on Vimeo and Youtube, but Musk set up an independent web site where you can watch it now probably because he does not trust Youtube with this.


    Movie summary, from UK Express:
    TESLA billionaire Elon Musk claimed artificial intelligence (AI) could lead to the creation of "an immortal dictator" used by authoritarian governments to forever oppress their subjects. Mr Musk, who never made a secret of his concerns regarding AI, warned the world of the danger of the fast-growing technology in a new documentary called 'Do You Trust This Computer?'.

    The film, which explores the potential advantages and problems carried by AI, sees the billionaire depicting a dystopian future where dictatorships use artificial intelligence to create "an immortal dictator from which we would never escape".

    Mr Musk told the crowd at the film's premiere in Los Angeles on Thursday night: "It's a very important subject.

    "It's going to affect our lives in ways we can't even imagine right now."

    Mr Musk is so strongly committed to letting the world know about the dangers of AI that he has paid for the film to be free on YouTube this weekend, according to Mashable.

    This decision follows a warning issued by Mr Musk to his Neuralink employees, Rolling Stone reported.

    Outlining a scenario where humans were going to war with robots, he said there were "maybe a five to 10 percent chance of success".

    Mr Musk, who famously compared AI to "summoning the devil", called for a regulation of the technology in July, arguing it would help stop humanity from being outsmarted by computer, and pleaded with governments to get a better understanding of the technology to comprehends the risks it bears.

    He said: "Once there is awareness, people will be extremely afraid, as they should be...By the time we are reactive in AI regulation, it'll be too late.

    "Normally the way regulations are set up is when a bunch of bad things happen, there's a public outcry, and after many years a regulatory agency is set up to regulate that industry.

    "It takes forever. That, in the past, has been bad but not something which represented a fundamental risk to the existence of civilisation."

    Mr Musk is joined in his worries by experts who earlier this week warned that leaving AI unregulated could bring governments develop them for malicious purposes.


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    Too late with all that but I am sure it will get worse. To see the future that has already started today, watch this now rather than wait for it on Youtube.
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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    From the short excerpt of the lecturer from Cambridge Analytica about 1:03:50:

    "We have somewhere close to 4,000 to 5,000 data points on every adult in the United States..."... and are hired by politicians and corporations to specifically send 'persuasion messages' nuanced according to the 'specific personality' they are interested in influencing.

    I think we've all suspected this for a while, but the plainspeak admitting is still a bit unnerving.

    This isn't influencing, but on a side-note I'm starting to wonder if there's also now cable commercials being played for you only in response to your google searches. Very recently after reading about germs in planes I searched on 'portable oxygen' to see what products were out there. The next day it creeped me out to see a commercial for portable oxygen for the first time in my life on cable TV.

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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    The deception is deep in this movie.

    The manufactured enemy that the elite bastards would use to unite humanity under their control is not aliens.

    It is AI.

    Whatever bogeyman you might fear, be it Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jong-un (North Korea), Trump, Russia, China, Google, Facebook, Cambridge Analytica (master of fake political news), ...

    ... be afraid, be very afraid, if that bogeyman gains the upper AI hand first.

    Either that bogeyman, or the AI itself, will rule with a cold, heartless, unbreakable, tyranny over us, destroying humanity.

    That is the message of this movie -- humanity must "come together", in a universally imposed "peace", subservient to a common rule for the good, or else we are doomed.

    As Jon Rappoport writes in his most recent blog entry, Exit From The Matrix: free individual vs Deep State:
    Quote The people who run society are engaged in bringing systems and structures into interlocking alignment, in order to create larger and larger machines of control.

    I keep returning to this territory, because the whole thrust of modern civilization is making the individual extinct.

    Powerless, badly educated, adrift in technology, viewed as a unit tied to a massive collective—this is the picture of the individual.

    Let’s go back to square one. The individual is fundamentally at odds with the State. The State wants control. The State wants loyalists, adherents, joiners, conformists. The individual wants freedom, if he has any inkling of his own power.

    The basic makeup of the State is promoted as a We. We want this. We need this. We deserve this. We all agree on this. The ubiquitous We is floated on purpose. The aim is to eradicate the I. The individual.
    This movie, the movie that is the topic of this thread, is a powerful and subversive call for (as Rapopport writes) "bringing systems and structures into interlocking alignment, in order to create larger and larger machines of control."

    This movie not only gives short shift to the essence of individual human freedom; it goes further and makes that freedom the enemy of human civilization. What if there was one free human remaining and that human gained control of the dominant AI?

    This is like the "herd immunity" idea that is used to justify mandatory vaccination of everyone, from the day of their birth to the last days of their life.

    This movie sells the idea that the future of human civilization depends on the absolute abolition of human freedom.

    We have met the enemy and the enemy is US (what the elite bastards, for whom Elon Musk is a mouthpiece, really think), Aliens (what we conspiracy theorists have been expecting would be the common threat used to unite humanity beneath a global tyranny), Artificial Intelligence (AI) (now we know what the elite have chosen to be the key uniting threat.)

    The deception is deep in this movie.

    I stand for individual human freedom.
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    'Disaster for humanity': Experts to RT on joint AI project by Google & Pentagon

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    Hundreds of Google employees are up in arms over the company's partnership with the Pentagon in AI technology, fearing it may be used for war. Experts told RT the "questionable" alliance could result in "disaster for humanity."

    Google employees wrote a letter to the company's CEO, Sundar Pichai, calling on the US tech giant to immediately pull out of a controversial program that many fear could be used for warfare.

    "We believe that Google should not be in the business of war," the letter obtained by The New York Times and published earlier this week stated.

    Gizmodo broke the news about Google's partnership with the US Department of Defense (DoD) last month, adding that Project Maven, whose stated mission is to "accelerate DoD's integration of big data and machine learning," was established in April 2017. The project will see Google developing AI surveillance to help the US military scrutinize video footage captured by US government drones "to detect vehicles and other objects, track their motions, and provide results to the Department of Defense."

    Google claims that the technology is human-friendly and is actually designed to "save lives" and "scoped to be for non-offensive purposes." But Noel Sharkey, Emeritus professor of AI at Sheffield University, told RT that the fears of Google employees "are correct."

    The Maven program "is all about bringing AI to the immediate conflict zone" he argued, adding that Google may simply be too naïve here about the real use of its technology.
    "Once you start working with the military, you have no control over what they use your product for, and that's very worrying," Professor Sharkey said.
    He cautioned that while drones now have human operators, which are at least "looking at the target, engaging with the target and trying to calculate its legitimacy," things can take a drastic turn.
    "If Google's imagery is very good, they will stop using that operator, allow robots to go out on their own, find their own targets and kill them without human intervention. And this is a disaster for humanity."
    And there is another concern here – privacy.
    "Google is a global company and is working for the Pentagon now, and the Pentagon is the United States. For me, in Britain, it means it's a foreign power. How far will they slide into bed with the Pentagon?" Sharkey said.

    "Google own most of our data, and I don't want the Pentagon having my data."

    The US Department of Defense spent a whopping $7.4 billion on AI-related areas last year, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    The experts who spoke to RT say the million-dollar question is whether "this going to lead to saving lives, or is it going to lead to more use of the technology, more drone strikes, more countries engaging in this use of the technology?"

    It's really "questionable," physicist and arms control researcher at the University of North Carolina Dr. Mark Gubrud told RT.
    "It's very exciting to see a movement arise among Google employees of concern about their company's contribution in the world's drift towards autonomous weapons, killer robots"
    According to the Intercept, Google is busy developing technology that will allow drone analysts to "interpret the vast image data vacuumed up from the military's fleet of 1,100 drones to better target bomb strikes against the Islamic State."

    This April marks five years since the launch of Campaign to Stop Killer Robots. Its supporters object to "permitting machines to determine who or what to target on the battlefield," pointing to numerous problems, including ethical and legal.
    "Bold action is needed before technology races ahead and it's too late to preemptively ban weapons systems that would make life and death decisions on the battlefield," Steve Goose, arms division director at Human Rights Watch, and co-founder of the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, said in a statement in November.

    Related:

    All-Seeing Eye: Google working with Pentagon on using AI for drone improvement

    Want data privacy? You’ll have to pay for that – Facebook COO
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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    In a similar vein, on Zerohedge: AI Researchers Boycott South Korean University Over Plan To Build "Killer Robots":
    Quote It looks like Tesla CEO Elon Musk and Russian President Vladimir Putin aren't the only ones who've envisioned a nightmare scenario where "killer robots" stalk through neighborhoods murdering innocent Americans (or Russians).

    A group of artificial intelligence researchers from nearly 30 countries is boycotting one of South Korea's most prestigious universities over concerns about a recent partnership with an "ethically dubious" arms manufacturer with the stated purpose to design and manufacture "autonomous weapons systems".
    There's more to this article at the Zerohedge link.

    Having slept on it, I am even more convinced that my post #10, above, is an important post.

    The elite bastards seem to be "pulling out all the stops" to drive home the message that AI poses the ultimate threat to humanity, if we don't eradicate all war mongering, conflict generating, human thought and action, in the very near future.

    The message is: The AI singularity is coming soon. We must cleanse humanity before it arrives.

    This is message is propaganda, justifying global tyranny, surveillance and control.

    I stand for human freedom. I reject this message.

    AI is far too limited in its scope and awareness. It is not the threat. The elite bastard tyrants are the threat.

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    Default Re: Do You Trust This Computer? A documentary from Elon Musk

    Right... and it'll all be Russia's fault in any case:

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Putin to Russian children on Knowledge Day: 'Whoever leads in AI will rule the world'

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    © Alexei Druzhinin / Sputnik

    Vladimir Putin spoke with students about science in an open lesson on September 1, the start of the school year in Russia. He told them that "the future belongs to artificial intelligence," and whoever masters it first will rule the world.
    "Artificial intelligence is the future, not only for Russia, but for all humankind. It comes with colossal opportunities, but also threats that are difficult to predict. Whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will become the ruler of the world," Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
    However, the president said he would not like to see anyone "monopolize" the field.
    "If we become leaders in this area, we will share this know-how with the entire world, the same way we share our nuclear technologies today," he told students from across Russia via satellite link-up, speaking from the Yaroslavl region.
    =========================================

    Check this one: Google Fails to Overturn Antitrust Ruling in Russia

    ... or these other ones:

    Microsoft Gives Google the Boot, Taps Yandex as Default Search After Russian Ruling

    Putin Wants to Push Microsoft Out of Russia in Battle with U.S.

    Russia Prepares to Block LinkedIn After Court Ruling

    Russia's state-run bank to hire computer savvy teens to develop blockchain technology
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    This movie sells the idea that the future of human civilization depends on the absolute abolition of human freedom.
    I'd seen most of the movie, but not all of it. I'd paused it overnight. So when I read Paul's post, I wondered where he was getting this from.

    At 1:10:10, very near the end, Elon Musk says:
    "It's incredibly important that AI not be other. It must be us. And I could be wrong about what I'm saying. I'm certainly open to ideas if anyone can suggest a path that's better. But I think we're really going to have to either merge with AI, or be left behind."
    That's quite a punchline to the documentary, which I do agree everyone should watch. Before his summary opinion, he and many others do hammer out in very scary detail EXACTLY what the dangers are, and the near-inevitability of their appearance... and soon, too.

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    From the rapidly approaching worrying future, to the worrying present:

    It's been clear to me for quite some time that Google already uses AI when handling search requests. It's primitive by the standards of AlphaGo (the Deep Mind Go-playing computer), but impressive nonetheless.

    If anyone's not fully aware of this, check it out by typing any question at all into the search box, even with deliberately bad grammar and bad spelling. It'll respond like a very smart personal assistant, immediately.

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    I actually think we are in a golden age of AI right now and think there should be much more of it. Musk presents a somewhat catastrophic futuristic scenario, listing where A.I. could have bad effects on humanity. It all depends on how it is utilised I suppose. Mark Zuckerberg tried using AI to influence minds and political outcomes, which backfired. Jeff Bezos, on the other hand, who I think is ungodly smart and someone whom I would never bet against, has utilised AI to make enormous improvements to how his business works.

    Remember AI and automation have never obsoleted anything that didn't need obsoleting. If one were to have this discussion in Britain circa 1800, when over 80% of us were involved in agricultural work of some kind, and you were to say that in less than 200 years this would reduce to less than 5% they would have looked at you like you were crazy, but that is what happened.

    In recent years machine learning has become much more effective, especially the beefed-up version form known as deep learning. You may have come across this when perusing "recommendations" given to you while browsing the Amazon website or when using the Echo line of Alexa smart speakers. There have been some very large gains in computer vision, speech, and natural language processing.
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    I actually think we are in a golden age of AI right now...
    While you have a good post, I disagree with the quoted part. I believe the worst things Ai will ever do on this planet are happening right now. The black projects have already figured out Ai to a sophisticated degree and are automating assaults on people designed to be rationalized as something else. The Ai problem is sourced to have caused events like Fukushima (happened via Ai + directed energy weapons), the false flags that happen involve electromagnetic mind control operated by Ai, slow kill & fast kill microwave warfare is taking people out while basically nobody can identify the true source, the list goes on and on. We already have an Ai based holocaust.

    That being said, there is balance to Ai. It is one of the most potent and balanced fields of science and that means there are positive and negative aspects of it. Alt media is highly deceived about Ai while also sensing the truth about how the ruling class desire to use it in the public domain. Alt media has not caught onto the real picture, they fall for knee jerk predictive programming (that I must admit is quite abundant and persuasive).

    Ai is not what you think it is if you have not experienced a comprehensive brain-computer interface Ai. I consider what I see in alt media (not you happyuk) kind of like explaining music to someone who has never heard it, and only knows that it can contain satanic subliminals and thinks they are an expert. People have all sorts of ideas about it, but not many have any experience with it and this creates a boatload of misconceptions (all by design).

    I would contend we are in a black ops age of Ai, with the golden age coming after the last harrah of the NWO.
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    I would contend we are in a black ops age of Ai, with the golden age coming after the last harrah of the NWO.
    Would that that were so ... that the NWO will have its last harrah soon.

    If that becomes so, then I'd agree that AI has some wonderful positive potentials.

    I see no sign that the NWO is leaving us anytime soon however. Rather I see that, at best, a few closely related factions of the NWO order, including some associated with the names Bush, Clinton and the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as with the overreach of Google, Facebook and the like, are being thrown under the bus, as part of a major operation to further extend the control of the most powerful over humanity. The Petro-Dollar Reserve system, and cryptocurrency 1.0, of which Bitcoin is the poster child, will also be tossed aside, as part of the coming financial collapse, to make way for a more secure and invasive system ("secure" meaning: only the elite can hack it.)

    The threat of AI is being used, as in the movie this thread is about, as a tool to get humanity to further relinquish their sovereignty to the surveillance and control of the institutions, minions and tools of the elite bastards. This movie is fear mongering, and part of a more substantial fear mongering campaign.

    We in the alt-media have been expecting a possible faked Alien Invasion (AI) to be used to unite humanity under a global tyranny.

    That is happening now, with such propaganda tools as this movie. However one detail has changed: AI stands instead for Artificial Intelligence.

    AI itself is not the danger. Rather the false fears ginned up by such propaganda will be an increasingly useful tool in the genocide of human freedom. Our seven billion human bodies may continue to live on, more or less, however scarcely 500 million consciously free and embodied souls will live on, as in the number anticipated by the Georgia Guidestones.

    It would take a miracle, that I do not now know of or anticipate, to stop this freight train of tyranny.

    I hope, and were I religious I'd pray, that my forecasting success rate continues as it has always been ... abysmal.

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    It's been clear to me for quite some time that Google already uses AI when handling search requests. It's primitive by the standards of AlphaGo (the Deep Mind Go-playing computer), but impressive nonetheless.
    Super human strength or ability in one aspect of being does not imply any ability whatsoever in other aspects.

    You dog Mara knows this full well. Do you ever foresee the day when she would respond, for more than perhaps a couple of confused minutes, to a robot, as she would respond to a human or other animal that she knows well?

    We should use the occasion of these advances in AI technology to become more aware of other aspects of our beings, which are outside the abilities of computers.

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