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    I just spent an hour to make a "something" to get you to watch this film, but my puter napped me, and I have to start all over again grrr.

    just watch it plz, you wo'nt regret it. Thanks to John Pilger one of the greatest truthfull journalists still allive


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    Thank you rawhide, your efforts are very much appreciated.
    Pilger is an astute researcher and an articulate guide through the dirt.

    I would urge all members and guests who click on this thread to watch this film
    and the many others that John Pilger has made over the decades.

    Wherever there are horrendous abuses being committed and exploitation being too easily varnished by propaganda,
    Pilger strips the perpetrators bare and it is seismic.

    Do watch.

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    Two hours?! I'm going to need at least a brief summary before I can determine or not spend that time. That said, sorry for your loss Rawhide, I know the frustration well.
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    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Not watched it yet but the Chinese have this over US sea dominance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21#DF-21D
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    I can assure you that you will only need ten minutes to convince you to watch the whole film.

    Brief summary:

    U.S detonating the equivalent of one Hiroshima nuclear bomb on the Marshal Islands every day for 12 years.
    U.S sending Marshal Islanders back to live there when their own nuclear agencies rated the islands the most contaminated land on earth.
    U.S nuclear scientists stating that the Marshal Islanders have and will continue to provide excellent data on radiation and its devastating effects on the human body.
    U.S personnel working on Ronald Reagan missile testing island where there are amenities such as golf courses and a fully equipped hospital while 12,000 Marshal islanders
    are overcrowded on an adjacent island with no sanitation or access to medicines. Workers are ferried over each day to work for the missile base, watering the golf-courses,
    clearing rubbish, waiting tables, and are then ferried back to squalor each night.. Apartheid in the Pacific.

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    A brief informational footnote: I looked it up because I was curious.

    The film was published on December 5, 2016, nearly 17 months ago. That's NOT to say that much of it may not be relevant, and I've only just started watching it. And John Pilger is one of the very greatest journalists. But it wasn't published this year.
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    If anyone want's a brief brief summary before spending 2 hours of their life watching this film. Just watch the first minute of it. just 1 minute.
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    The sheer fact it is John Pilger should be enough to persuade anyone that it is worth watching or listening to. The guy doesn't do 'boring'.

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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Two hours?! I'm going to need at least a brief summary before I can determine or not spend that time. That said, sorry for your loss Rawhide, I know the frustration well.
    Here is one comprehensive review:
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...t-documentary/

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    Quote Posted by dynamo (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Two hours?! I'm going to need at least a brief summary before I can determine or not spend that time. That said, sorry for your loss Rawhide, I know the frustration well.
    Here is one comprehensive review:
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...t-documentary/
    The concluding statements from the above review:
    ”There was a real opportunity here to educate viewers about economic issues relevant to the film’s thesis that the US is provoking China to war, but unfortunately it was missed. There is no discussion of US dollar hegemony, China’s holding of over $1 trillion in US debt, the trade balance between the two countries, China’s gold holdings and moves to develop independence from the global dollar system, etc. The viewer could have greatly benefited from understanding how economic issues factor into the equation, and especially understanding that the primary reason China is viewed as a menace by US policymakers is due to its threat to US dollar hegemony, but the discussion is unfortunately kept to the superficial characterizations of the free market as somehow inherently evil.

    The Coming War on China falls short in this important respect, but should still be watched by anyone concerned about growing tensions between the US and China. While it fails to educate about relevant economic matters, it does do an excellent job of putting the American denunciations of China’s aggression in the South China Sea into perspective by exposing the extraordinary and seemingly limitless hypocrisy of the US government, the greatest threat to peace the world has ever known.”

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    If anyone want's a brief brief summary before spending 2 hours of their life watching this film. Just watch the first minute of it. just 1 minute.
    The first minute contains a bunch of powerful black and white still images that are very moving.

    I did watch the whole thing. And yes, I love John Pilger, and will always absorb anything he does.

    But Pilger's focus is always on injustice, iniquity, abuse of power, and political dishonesty. That was really what this film was 80% about.

    The first 40 minutes were about the harsh and unjust radiation effects on the Marshall Islanders after the Bikini bomb tests in the 40s, and how the islanders were treated as little more than experimental animals. Archive film was shown where the citizens there were described as 'savages'.

    He went on to cover the injustice of the forced 'apartheid' at Kwajalein, and the Japanese protests about the US military base in Okinawa (in Japan: nothing to do with China). The links to China consisted of occasional mention that the missiles there were all aimed that way.

    The most interesting segment of the film for me was the revelation, from a retired military witness, that back in 1962 (at the time of the Cuban missile crisis) a rogue military major in Okinawa had ordered a full-on nuclear missile strike on China. The missiles were armed, prepared for launch, and were about to be fired.

    Sensing something was wrong, the duty officer (who has to be some kind of hero!) suspected the order was false. He ordered two men to shoot anyone who tried to execute the launch, and ran to the command center, less than a minute away.

    Sure enough, the launch command was bogus, and a stand-down was ordered — just in time. Jeez. The major who had given the order was court-martialed and dismissed from the Air Force.

    The witness, John Bordne, said: "We just kind of looked at each other. We could have exterminated the whole planet."

    Go straight to 1:20:30 for that extremely fascinating testimony, just 3 minutes long. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. I believe that's the first time that's ever been made public. Pilger had never heard about it.

    Jeez, once again.

    But in my view, this film is NOT principally about "the coming war on China". It's really about US military hegemony in general, and the local social injustice that the US always leaves in its wake. But Pilger, as always, is excellent.

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    Probably Mr Pilger had this in mind ( It's really about US military hegemony in general ), having to name the film to something more dramatic

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    excellent doco, saw it a while ago.
    there is another doco called- 1983 - The Brink of Apocalypse.
    well worth watching also.

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    Recent posts on this thread have made references to the Atomic Bomb Test at the Bikini Atoll-Marshall Islands post WWII.

    My dear departed father was "On Board The Good Ship U.S.S. Benevolence" (oh, the irony), during that test. He, among others, received a certificate for his (good faith, patriotic) participation in that dark blot on US and world history.

    Attached is a photo of the certificate. The original hangs on my office wall.

    I added the inverted US Flag (which is now pretty faded) as my small protest of the insanity of it all and to note how we are all in dire distress as a consequence.



    PS Thanks to Bill for uploading the photo to the Avalon server for me.
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    Thank you for showing us that memorable piece of our history. Can understand your sadness.

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