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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    Black Goo.....made me think of the English whistleblower who had a strange experience with it, then this, what I'm thinking of, was related to some strange deaths in the 1980's in the U.K. of people who were apparently, working with it?

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    Black Goo.....made me think of the English whistleblower who had a strange experience with it, then this, what I'm thinking of, was related to some strange deaths in the 1980's in the U.K. of people who were apparently, working with it?
    I'm not familiar with that account. Not so off topic, some may recall ďThe BlobĒ that came down from space. (1:55 minutes)

    Yipes! I'm a thread hogger. Stepping out now.
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    Hi Autumn, and thanks for the input!

    I've no doubt eye issues may and do cause annoying symptoms when one is on the net for any length of time. But I'm quite sure my problem isn't eye related. In fact, I think my eyes are the only thing left of me that are still functioning respectably

    For example, I can be laying in bed and suddenly start feeling sluggish, foggy, spacey, strange...and then I'll notice that I'm laying on my cell phone. That has happened quite a few times. So i think i can safely rule out any kind of eye thing.

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    I was getting horrible headaches when I worked at the Tulane Primate Research Center, while working on the computer. Brain fog, couldn't see well, etc. God only knows what kind of experiments they were conducting on not only the primates............

    There are some other really weird things that started happening to me before I got laid off. Now I kind of understand what the deal was. The Director, who was my age, died three years after I got laid off, from a very aggressive form of brain cancer.
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    I will not use a microwave, we don't need them.
    Also, I stopped having a wi fi in my bedroom, just in case it
    is the reason I don't sleep as well as I used to.
    I had all the mercury removed from my teeth a decade ago, made
    a big difference, lost some teeth, but that's OK.

    It's sad that we, in this time, have to constantly work at avoiding electronic
    negative crapola, when we should not have to.

    Too much is nearly as bad as too little, and unnecessary IMO.
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    From everything that I feel I know, the most important thing for health and well-being is not to sleep in a WiFi environment.

    If WiFi permeates your bedroom, then (if you can!) it may be very valuable to get in the habit of simply turning off the router at night.

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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    I was getting horrible headaches when I worked at the Tulane Primate Research Center, while working on the computer. Brain fog, couldn't see well, etc. God only knows what kind of experiments they were conducting on not only the primates............
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...
    impossible.

    there's no way they could work, WIFI uses omnidirectional antenna (broad casts in every direction).... this whole thing doesn't make sense; products like that just re-enforce my take on this topic, it's meant to take advantage of those who are easily spooked and know very little technical data.
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    Just type into google how to turn off my wi-fi SKY/VERIZON/(whichever company you have)

    It will be a website similar to this (weird numbers) This will get you access into your modems mission control centre.

    http://192.168.1.1/

    Login :admin or verizon etc.
    Password: admin or verizon etc.

    Once inside you will be able to change your wi-fi name to Pretty Fly for a Wi-fi or FBI surveillance van or Ņuʍop ǝpᴉsdn noʎ ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ

    Also you can disconnect the wi-fi, but still have the internet using the yellow cable (etherent)

    Done!

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    Maybe I should add why I think that there is something involved that has consciousness. I should differentiate between the effects of WiFi and my emotional reaction to the dust. I had the impression the WiFi field attracts and holds this sort of dust.

    The effects of living with WiFi: feeling weaker than before, less active, phases of indifference (like someone who has spent ten hours daily in front of the tv over years, I suppose). Partly I blamed aging and a certain kind of tiredness. Though no pains, no major physical effects. It was (is! sigh ...) an addiction. I noticed that and knew I can change it any time. Just turn it off. It was still me who was in charge (and who decided to still have it turned on).

    Itís different with the dust. In the beginning I tried to fight it with broom and duster (Iíve always been quite relaxed with housework). Very quickly I felt overwhelmed and felt irrational, strong rage and anger against it, erupting abruptly. As if an adversary had overtaken my home, my territory. I was still fighting it but had the feeling I had already lost, I cannot win.

    I, too, am a bit concerned to sound ridiculous, delusional, though I know: Iím not. A very stable and rational inner instance tells me Iím not. My wish in the first place is not to get rid of it (finally I will, thereís no doubt), but to understand it. So Iíll continue to observe (and to go through all the HKV lectures again).
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    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Black Goo.....made me think of the English whistleblower who had a strange experience with it, then this, what I'm thinking of, was related to some strange deaths in the 1980's in the U.K. of people who were apparently, working with it?
    Yipes! I'm a thread hogger. Stepping out now.
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    Foxie, are you talking about about the Marconi deaths?

    David Griffin first brought up the info that there was more to the Falkland war (1982) than the official story - later Harald Kautz-Vella picked up the issue, from his scientific background (if Iím right).

    http://projectcamelot.org/marconi.html

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fsEsMTHDHC0 (2012)
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    Thanks, Iloveyou!! That was a most interesting story! So much has been going on that we are not able to truly understand!

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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...
    impossible.

    there's no way they could work, WIFI uses omnidirectional antenna (broad casts in every direction).... this whole thing doesn't make sense; products like that just re-enforce my take on this topic, it's meant to take advantage of those who are easily spooked and know very little technical data.
    Yes! This kind of thing ticks me off too. Not only does it NOT work, but it's taking advantage of people. Then let's say by some stretch, it does seem to work. Now we've learned an invalid lesson, and we're living in superstition.

    This "sleep away from the wifi" business is setting off some bells for me too. I mean, to me, that's just another aspect of living in fear. I'm going to sleep where ever I want, wifi or not! I'm not going to let the wifi dictate where I sleep. Maybe I'd be singing a different tune though if I felt like it affected me....

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    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    This "sleep away from the wifi" business is setting off some bells for me too. I mean, to me, that's just another aspect of living in fear. I'm going to sleep where ever I want, wifi or not! I'm not going to let the wifi dictate where I sleep. Maybe I'd be singing a different tune though if I felt like it affected me....
    I also agree, I even had an un-requested 6 month experiment; my wifi access point is in my bed room, obviously everything stopped working during the hurricane (cat5 yay!) and I was with out a working access point for almost 7 months; I never noticed any difference.

    The level of exposure falls squarely in or below hormesis exposure, so I can only think it's probably healthy rather than unhealthy to expose your self to a low power RF signal (that's the basic principle of Hormesis).

    I'm open to looking at data that tells us otherwise, but I've yet to see it.
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    I've experienced the debilitating effects of WiFi firsthand, so I know it's a very real thing.

    But...I have several serious health issues currently; therefore I'm very sensitive to things other healthier people may not be sensitive to.

    Perhaps if one is quite healthy, and has no overriding physical issues, WiFi will not effect them as much..or maybe not at all!

    But Petra, please don't sleep near your router or WiFi devices! Noooo

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    I've never used a WiFi in my house. The intrusive feeling, the energy source effect on the human EM field, the science from those like Dr.Samuel Milham and the possibilities of someone accessing data from nearby, etc., etc. have all made it an easy decision to simply use an ethernet line from the router over to the computer. I'm not that disorganized or addicted to the net or phone communications to keep my computer in more than one place, though I am just now ending lending it to a friend who stayed here.

    Even as ethernet cables are problematic by design I use them still. Today I am switching computers to one with a lot less wear and tear on it from using the line, the purposely cheap plastic hold down tabs on all ethernet lines all broken off as well (as I mentioned before, as designed, in order to encourage the use of wireless transmissions).

    I have shared my computer with a friend who has been staying with us for a while and handing the computer over to him in another room, usually for a short time, has contributed to the complications of taping the cable, using toothpicks, etc. to keep the cable secure in the ethernet port of the laptop. As our friend has just left, I had thought of just giving him the laptop but I'm downloading the info and scrubbing it instead.

    I also see having to go outdoors to get a signal for my cell phone as a good thing. If I ever am looking for a new abode seeing anything more than 2 bars on the cell signal will exclude that place as a place I will live. Recently, I even had to get on the roof to consistently talk to my son when he was at a distance from home. In addition to that, the fact that the internet service provider in our area is one of the slowest in the country isn't good, but doing research limits the need for speedy delivery anyway.

    This all leads me to a question I see as a constant to me, since the introduction of civilian cellular service. In many ways the instant connections to electronic communications take away from many aspects of developing and using your intuition and advancing your own innate cognitive abilities of communicating with all of the life forms around you, especially with other people. This isn't just communications, it is consciousness. You'd think that with all of this awareness and introspection going on these days that humans would be much more advanced in the ways of natural, human made wireless communication than they are now.

    I do get what TargeT is saying about the ability of the human organism to be the adaptogenic mechanism in all things stressful to systems function, but there is a limit to the ability of the body's pizeo-electric dynamic to intake excessive "homeopathic" doses of intrusive EM stimuli.

    Just what is that limit and what are the variables that we can measure in determining the difference from the necessary, healthy stress of such intrusions to the unhealthy amount that causes distress, disease, and the eventual breakdown of the organism itself? Those who implement and profit from the inclusion of those systems won't tell anyone what those limit parameters are if they do know them, and my educated guess is that they do. Those same corporate beings don't now, nor ever have, given a Flying F$$K about the health of humans.

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    Here is a little on Dr.Milham, who is an MD with an MPH, a Masters Degree in Public Health:

    "Dr. Samuel Milham is a physician-epidemiologist specializing in public health. He has more than one hundred scientific publications, many dealing with the health effects of electricity. In 1997, Dr. Milham was awarded the Ramazzini prize for his pioneering work in describing the occupational cancer risks of electromagnetic fields."

    I highly recommend his book "Dirty Electricity" as a way to begin your introduction to health as it relates to the intrusion and inclusion of EMF in your lives.
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    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    I do get what TargeT is saying about the ability of the human organism to be the adaptogenic mechanism in all things stressful to systems function, but there is a limit to the ability of the body's pizeo-electric dynamic to intake excessive "homeopathic" doses of intrusive EM stimuli.
    I don't think "homeopathic" is a thing, it certainly doesn't have hundreds of peer reviewed papers showing it to be a repeatable reliable method like Hormesis does. (two VASTLY different things that happen to start with an H)

    And I am taking a MUCH more proactive approach, I don't see it as "adapting" I see it as "improving" and unless the stimuli is there the response will not trigger, this is just like exersize, you do NOT improve with out effort.

    I do not see hormesis as a passive pursuit, more like the application of "old knowledge" moderation in EVERYTHING, including things that at certain doses can be toxic... everything is all inclusive. To completely cut out anything from your life is to be come weaker as you miss the stimuli that would have made you a better you.


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    I highly recommend his book "Dirty Electricity" as a way to begin your introduction to health as it relates to the intrusion and inclusion of EMF in your lives.
    The high voltage/amperage of modern electrical systems is very concerning, but it's because it's very high power, wifi is very low power. Most wifi access points use 1-4 watts of power to broadcast, when combined with the inverse square law you are probably receiving (on average, in a typical 20x15 sized room) around .005 watts of broadcasted 2.4ghz (or what have you... depending on the model of access point (A,B,G,N etc...), but 2.4ghz will be the STRONGEST signal possible with out modification).

    These levels probably do not even qualify as triggering hormesis as they are so low.

    Did you know you receive about 164watts per square meter of sunlight? (that includes infrared which is very close to the wave lengths being proposed for 5G and the newer wifi access points).

    But we are comfortable with that exposure and know how to limit it; though we also know HOW important it is to our health... This is not so very different to be honest, just because we interpret the EM band differently doesn't mean we are dealing with entirely new phenomenon every few 1000hz.
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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    I hear 'Ya Brother. Strong insights. I respect your opinion, but only because you speak as you see it, even if I see the insight as limited, as mine has often been and as I look forward to learning more myself. Always.

    NOTE: This response seems to veer off course a bit. However, and to the point, I do think that the way in which we converse here informs us about the connections we form between differing approaches to similar subjects. Always something to learn here....

    You're right. Homeopathic isn't a thing. It's a patient proven stimulation of a wide variety of stressors intended to treat the cause of disease, and it is exactly the definition of the symbiosis between the two words, way beyond the letter H.
    If it isn't approved by the profit driven, pseudo-health, university cloistered, drug peddlers how does that disprove it's effectiveness?

    OOPS, my good bad...There are many peer-reviewed, clinically proven studies on the efficacy of homeopathy, hundreds upon hundreds and there will be many more to come.

    https://homeopathic.com/
    https://researchinhomeopathy.org/database/
    https://www.britishhomeopathic.org/....for-homeopathy

    So, you've never used homeopathics? My son and other children of most of my friends, who all have used homeopathy, exercise and good nutrition have the fewest amount of sick days of in-school and home-schooled kids in the country. I would agree that without stress life is not healthy, adventurous, or even worth the commute thru the canal zone and out into this little, cloistered, beautiful world. The question at hand is there an excess beyond the body's capacity to become stronger when it comes to EMF exposure? I see the response as entirely different from the medicinal use of homepathics in triggering a healthy reaction to stress.


    The word Homeopathy was used by me as a distinct way of informing how the system adapts to stress in a positive way, as in the way homeopathy uses the very minute dose of something that otherwise, and in excess, causes damage. I do know the semantic difference between hormesis and homeopathy, but thought that you'd get the analogy as relative to the natural way, the healthy way a body strengthens itself with the induction of stress.

    Those of us who use and study homeopathy do use the word hormesis in describing the response, as do those who describe other triggered actions:


    "A pollutant or toxin showing hormesis thus has the opposite effect in small doses as in
    large doses." The difference is between a positive, adaptive response and a negative, damaging reaction. And....

    "Within the hormetic zone there is generally a favorable biological response to low exposures to toxins and other stressors." (These all from the dictionary descriptions of Hormesis)

    "The repair process fixes not only the damage caused by the toxin, but also other low-level damage that might have accumulated before without having triggered the repair mechanism." (This from the dictionary description of Hormesis.)

    This is the essence of the body's response to a homeopathic medicinal. I'm sorry you didn't get the connection, but I'm often too wordy in my responses as it is. Funny, that..
    " (two VASTLY different things that happen to start with an H)".


    Many come from the belief and mindset that allopathy and homeopathy are in conflict. They aren't and they should not be, except if we find there is one institutional blueprint that excludes the other, not on the basis of the empirical science but on the measure of profit.

    Yes, of course they are when we consider that one has a history of abuse and misuse of allopathy to sell products and provide a shorter life span for it's users. I, as an informed patient, as well as many healthy people I know use both systems, as we know and are advised to do interactively.

    There is merit and necessity to all forms of stress-induced healthy growth, I agree. How does anything or anyone grow without stress? The only question is are we going to evaluate both the empirical and the overwhelming, personal, even anecdotal evidence together, knowing full well the many proofs that personal experiences have prompted scientists to "discover"? There is way too much evidence to suggest, quite loudly, that there is more to this matter than we are being told.

    Further...

    Wow. A proactive approach? What, you're gonna add more exposure for some hidden health effect? From my experience that is not wise, but either way I think you'll know when your exposure becomes too much for your body to handle, beyond the exposure that is healthy for you. I would request a response from you if you do suffer any adverse effects when and if you are so overly exposed, though I have read enough and heard enough and experienced enough to know the outcome for myself.

    Interesting. So me cutting out WiFi will make me weaker? How's that? Granted, if I was to anticipate an unwanted and unstoppable exposure to a pathogen I might consider taking some time, either thru exposure or ingestion, allowing my system to strengthen itself by triggering the repair mechanism. However, in this case the evidence shows this to be an unhealthy and counterproductive activity. I appreciate your concern for my health and if there is something you know that I'm not getting, please tell me.

    Yes the strengths of modern electrical systems are very different from the low voltage of current WiFi systems, but many of the effects are similar.

    Dr. Milham has shown scientific proofs on the dangers of WiFi to many, including schools in the states. His scientific advice, beyond the pressures of the peddlers, has been put into practice by those educational institutions that have allowed him to present the data.

    I'll re-read Dr. Milham's book to see if the data is in there. It may take a short while, as I have the healthy habit of exchanging books with friends. Gotta go look for it.

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    Default Re: Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    If it isn't approved by the profit driven, pseudo-health, university cloistered, drug peddlers how does that disprove it's effectiveness?

    OOPS, my good bad...There are many peer-reviewed, clinically proven studies on the efficacy of homeopathy, hundreds upon hundreds and there will be many more to come.

    https://homeopathic.com/
    https://researchinhomeopathy.org/database/
    https://www.britishhomeopathic.org/....for-homeopathy
    Those results fall well with in placebo norms; I'm not sure that really tells us much.

    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    So, you've never used homeopathics? My son and other children of most of my friends, who all have used homeopathy, exercise and good nutrition have the fewest amount of sick days of in-school and home-schooled kids in the country
    Quite to the contrary, my mother was a Nurse Practitioner while I grew up and got really into homeopathy, I took those little sugar balls under the tongue for everything for a good decade or more. I also had few sick days and never got vaccinated, but I also ate very consciously (due to a diligent mother), which I think was the more important part (I thought frozen yogurt was icecream until i was about 11... thanks mom... haha)

    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    The word Homeopathy was used by me as a distinct way of informing how the system adapts to stress in a positive way, as in the way homeopathy uses the very minute dose of something that otherwise, and in excess, causes damage. I do know the semantic difference between hormesis and homeopathy, but thought that you'd get the analogy as relative to the natural way, the healthy way a body strengthens itself with the induction of stress.
    Homeopathy involves "water memory" and dilluting solutions like 10000000000:1 and assuming it will still work due to the "water memory"; I just don't buy it... what you are describing above is called Hormesis unless you are diluting it 100000000000000:1 then it's homeopathy and the hormesis studies prove it doesn't work.. you need a certain low dose, not ANY low dose.

    Example:



    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    "Within the hormetic zone there is generally a favorable biological response to low exposures to toxins and other stressors." (These all from the dictionary descriptions of Hormesis)
    I bolded the imporatant part see the above graph.. when you dilute with homeopathy you are no longer in the hormetic zone of exposure.



    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    This is the essence of the body's response to a homeopathic medicinal. I'm sorry you didn't get the connection, but I'm often too wordy in my responses as it is. Funny, that..
    " (two VASTLY different things that happen to start with an H)".
    That's the myth of homeopathy and the reality of Hormesis.

    It's the dilution that is issue with homeopathy, and the "water memory" nonsense.



    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    Wow. A proactive approach? What, you're gonna add more exposure for some hidden health effect? From my experience that is not wise,
    Well I know from experince it does, I wore a piece of uranium for 3 years strait, about 900 cpm based on a thread on this forum (radiation hormesis) and I have not been sick since.. it's been about 5 years now; I used to get an annual flu or something at least once a year; but it's been nothing for 5, I watch diseases spread from family member to familiy member, I don't get sick.

    That is my personal anicdote, but beyond that there are the vast amount of studies on the topic... I first came to this based on radiation and how I feel we are being lied to about it.

    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    So me cutting out WiFi will make me weaker?
    denying your self a stimuli that will cause a response in your body that makes you healthier, yes makes you "weaker than you could be".

    Have you gone through radiation hormesis? I think I can confidently say my immune system is probably stronger than yours because I have. At least based on my life experience.

    Does that mean you are weaker? or just not as good as you could be?
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