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    Just watched Linda's Youtube video dated 5 December 2018.

    Jeez, was that an explosion in a bull sh!t factory or what?! In brief, she's touting some alien photo as being taken on the Moon during the Apollo 17 mission. Unfortunately it was an image created for an X-Box game in 2005. She's justifying it at the moment thus: "... I will say that this is a standard operating procedure for disinformation from the government." Trouble is one of the guys who created it has apparently come forward. Even her followers are laughing at her. The comments under that video are merciless - worth a read before she sees sense and deletes the whole thing! The poor old girl has lost it now I fear.

    She's either been very gullible (remember she's supposed to be an "award-winning journalist") and taken in by it (remember the Dragonfly Drones nonsense she never back-tracked on?), or she's doing it for money, or she's a disinformation agent - but that's just silly conspiracy nonsense surely...?

    Linda has always had a weak spot for not analysing 'facts' when they appeal to her credulous followers. Nothing wrong in making money out of this, providing you don't start promoting fantasy as facts. She's sailed way past that now with this one.

    As someone under in the video comments, if she admitted she's been duped, apologize and move on she might regain some of her credibility, rather than just bluffing it out.

    Not sure what Bill Ryan thinks of the present debacle, but I wonder if he feels able to say anything.
    She is definitely not always checking facts, some of them extremely easy to check on with one brush of googling.

    This is sad, but too much production gives this. I cannot believe that she and others are so poor that they absolutely need to be on a productivity spree.

    Once credibility is lost, it is very difficult to regain, if not impossible. I am so sorry for the good ones bending to this.
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    This is just an aside and personal note. I've known Linda personally for many years, going back to the 1980's. I've spoken with her privately most recently and I've always found her heart to be in the right place, her desire to try to convey what she finds as interesting or unusual is very strong. I would take note of allowing improper data coming into her circle and it being a lack of proper follow-through (or lack of it) to check all sources, all the time, and not let things slip. I don't at any time consider her contributions as useless or irrelevant.
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    This is just an aside and personal note. I've known Linda personally for many years, going back to the 1980's. I've spoken with her privately most recently and I've always found her heart to be in the right place, her desire to try to convey what she finds as interesting or unusual is very strong. I would take note of allowing improper data coming into her circle and it being a lack of proper follow-through (or lack of it) to check all sources, all the time, and not let things slip. I don't at any time consider her contributions as useless or irrelevant.
    I totally agree with your point, this is why it is sad that fact checking is not always thorough. She is one of the really good, hopefully she won’t slip to productivity letting go of quality. Please, if you can, gently mention it to her, it would be great.
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    OK, her heart might be in the right place. So all the more reason for her to fess-up and apologise when she's caught talking c**p. I appreciate that many in this field do get highlighted for talking bollox, but they never acknowledge it because it only draws attention to it. Say nothing and it'll all blow over. The diehard followers will never hear about it, or if they do they won't believe it. This technique has been proven effective again and again. I site David Wilcock as a prime example.

    Linda's credibility is seriously slipping if you read the comments by her followers under the video I linked to. She may regain some of it if she puts her hand up and just says: "Sorry, it's a fair cop. I took my eye off the ball. I'll try not to let it happen gain." But I reckon the best she'll do is repeat some old nonsense about it being a tactic used by the Dark Forces to discredit researchers in the field.

    So come on Linda, let's see what you can do...
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    Can people be fooled or baited to "want to believe"? Most certainly. How they respond afterwards to having been baited and thought it "was all real" most certainly exposes how much personal mettle they have.

    Here is an example of Linda having been baited so that she could be discredited, and thereby obscure the rest of her information - from https://www.ufohastings.com/storage/...-droppings.pdf

    Falcon’s Follies
    As bait, Linda Howe had initially been approached and presented with a now discredited Air Force “report” on a supposed UFO/alien encounter at one of Ellsworth AFB’s nuclear missile sites in 1977. It is now known that Richard “Falcon” Doty was involved in the forging of that “document”—a fact first revealed by UFO researcher Dr. Bruce Maccabee and later alluded to by Bill Moore himself, in his Las Vegas speech.

    Doty also forged many other UFO-related files, according to an informed source whom I interviewed in February 2004. I will gladly present that individual in a court of law, if circumstances permit.

    More recently, Condor/Collins has posted at his website another alleged account of UFO activity at Ellsworth, supposedly occurring in 1970. The title of the posting is “Ellsworth Air Force Base SD UFO Incident 1977—or was it really 1970?”

    This blatant come-on ignores the fact that the 1977 incident was a hoax, something Collins knows full well, given that his own book’s co-author, Richard Doty, forged the “report” on it. To insure that the new “document” would be noticed, Collins emailed a link to it to a very long list of individuals on March 10, 2007, but wisely covered himself by asking the recipients whether it was real or not.

    On his website, Collins has a scan of the newly-discovered “report.” Upon learning of it, I forwarded the alleged Air Force report to one of my retired Minuteman missile targeting team sources, USAF TSgt. John Mills, whose dramatic 1978 UFO encounter in Ellsworth AFB’s missile field I mention in my book, UFOs and Nukes.

    He quickly found numerous factually-inaccurate statements and format errors in the “report” and calls it an obvious hoax.

    For example, Mills writes, “The site [where the incident supposedly occurred] is listed as Delta 4, in the 68th Strategic Missile Squadron. Delta 4 was [actually] in the 66th Strategic Missile Squadron out near Philip. Opposite ends of the spectrum [geographically] and the wrong squadron to boot.” Mills then devoted a full page to identifying the great many technical errors contained in the supposed “report” circulated by Collins. His unequivocal conclusion: “The document is totally bogus.”

    So here we have yet another example of Robert “Condor” Collins disseminating a hoaxed document about UFOs, more than two decades after his first disinformational endeavors, which were intended to mislead researcher Linda Moulton Howe and, eventually, the general public.

    I wonder if Collins’ current publishing partner, Richard Doty, forged this “document” too. As mentioned earlier, I have been told by a highly reliable source that Doty belatedly admitted to forging a number of documents while with OSI. But, once again, it seems to me that this question is best answered in a court of law, where everyone is placed under oath, and where lies become perjury,
    punishable by fine and/or imprisonment.
    Can the researchers be baited to accept something that should have more research done - most certainly, they are only human. Can Linda be targeted to push a feeling of disbelief on her immense career ? Obviously she can be a magnet to be attacked for whatever reason. I find her to be warm, magnanimous, and highly caring. She is human and wants folks to get some of her first hand observations and the stories that she has been told so that people can decide for themselves.

    Should she be suppressed? Hardly IMHO. The point is everyone should look at any DATA as suspect until they can actually verify and understand the subject/topic/substance themselves and not rely on "experts" (maybe wearing their lab-coats or robes, or uniforms, or spouting their ph and Dees as learned 'authority').. I've seen way too much rehashing of "authorities" with people having no actual clue for what is fact and what is emotional "wish-thinking".
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    Latest from Linda!

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    Linda with a special report containing reports on MK Ultra, The Jon LaVine Story & She even has time to answer your questions.



    As mention Linda's recent interview with John Greenewald about what he has hidden on his website www.theblackvault.com

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    Not sure what Bill Ryan thinks of the present debacle, but I wonder if he feels able to say anything?
    I'm behind, my apologies... not watched this yet. Downloading now. I'll comment if I can, for sure.

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    Just watched Linda's Youtube video dated 5 December 2018.

    Jeez, was that an explosion in a bull sh!t factory or what?! In brief, she's touting some alien photo as being taken on the Moon during the Apollo 17 mission. Unfortunately it was an image created for an X-Box game in 2005. She's justifying it at the moment thus: "... I will say that this is a standard operating procedure for disinformation from the government." Trouble is one of the guys who created it has apparently come forward. Even her followers are laughing at her. The comments under that video are merciless - worth a read before she sees sense and deletes the whole thing! The poor old girl has lost it now I fear.

    She's either been very gullible (remember she's supposed to be an "award-winning journalist") and taken in by it (remember the Dragonfly Drones nonsense she never back-tracked on?), or she's doing it for money, or she's a disinformation agent - but that's just silly conspiracy nonsense surely...?

    Linda has always had a weak spot for not analysing 'facts' when they appeal to her credulous followers. Nothing wrong in making money out of this, providing you don't start promoting fantasy as facts. She's sailed way past that now with this one.

    As someone under in the video comments, if she admitted she's been duped, apologize and move on she might regain some of her credibility, rather than just bluffing it out.

    Not sure what Bill Ryan thinks of the present debacle, but I wonder if he feels able to say anything.
    She is definitely not always checking facts, some of them extremely easy to check on with one brush of googling.

    This is sad, but too much production gives this. I cannot believe that she and others are so poor that they absolutely need to be on a productivity spree.

    Once credibility is lost, it is very difficult to regain, if not impossible. I am so sorry for the good ones bending to this.
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    Not sure what Bill Ryan thinks of the present debacle, but I wonder if he feels able to say anything?
    I'm behind, my apologies... not watched this yet. Downloading now. I'll comment if I can, for sure.
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    Ugh. I've not even finished watching this yet. But Linda, Linda. What an embarrassing mess.

    These are just a FEW points. (There are many.)

    1. Here's the Apollo 17 landing site. (The Taurus-Littrow valley: 20.19080° N, 30.77168° E.)

    Her correspondent, who gently pointed out the anomaly, is correct. From there, you'd see the Earth overhead at an angle of (my guess) 50-60º or so. It's like the sun in the Earth sky, mid-morning or mid-afternoon.

    You could never see an Earthrise or Earthset. It would hardly move, because the moon's surface hardly moves relative to the Earth.

    There are places on the moon where the 5º tilting (a slight 'moon wobble') does create an Earthrise or Earthset, but they'd ALL be on the very boundary edge of the front side/ far side. Not right out near the middle of the side of the moon that always faces us.

    There, sadly, Linda betrays her lack of knowledge of astronomical geometry — and very basic geometry, too.

    Here are all the formally described Apollo landing sites:



    2. There's no room for a third astronaut in the Lunar Module. Impossible. It's not a matter of the weight of moon rocks on the return journey. It's a matter of space. It's super-cramped as it is, like being in a tiny tent, or the front of a very small car.

    3. Here are Linda's Tweets of the 'Gray Alien' image.
    1. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dts3VXrU4AEJ3SA.jpg
    2. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dts2qikUcAAItzp.jpg
    This is what she posted:



    ...immediately followed by:



    And here's the 'Area 51' video game cover. It's the same. It took me maybe a couple of minutes to find it using Google Reverse Image Search.


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    (continued...)

    4. A cat on the moon? This is nonsensical lunacy.

    It's not a matter of there being no air to breathe. It's a vacuum. (Or, very close to one.) Any non-suited biological being (a Gray alien, a cat, or anything else) would sort of explode, and it wouldn't be a very nice sight.

    Something strange is happening here. Either Linda's being played in order to discredit her, or Jon Lavine (despite his claimed 'high-number IQ') has been so severely messed with himself that he might as well be an idiot. (Both might simultaneously apply, of course.)
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    This is exactly why we must play the ball and not the person. I too a couple of weeks ago made 'remarks' here on Avalon about Linda and her cats. But she has done a lot of good work in the past and we can check each statement and choose for ourselves. It takes a long time and you can't be lazy. Nothing is black or white, well very rarely!. Linda needs content for shows etc... and this becomes a problem for all who want to provide it and stay in the game. Kerry C included, and everyone else.

    But while I'm here and it may be the wrong tread but I want to give Kerry C (who I have been 'hard' on in the past) mush credit for her round tables she has held recently with Deborah Taveres. Katherine Horton and Alexander on Targeted Individuals, mind control California fires.. A very good all women panel that does women proud. I really hope that Kerry does more of this type of credible and serious stuff.
    Not once , for once of late, did Kerry mention that name MR.

    Good on them, it is easy for me here in the peanut gallery to comment, having never gone out and done interviews like these people. If they are trying to do a service and not deliberately disinform, I respect them even when they go off of the rails , I like to remember their previous good work while I am digesting the train wreck I am/have just witnessed.

    It is hard to believe info and data over individual people as we all get it wrong sometimes. But while many of us are now not DW fans and or PP, here is I believe an exception. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Qld2HOQqA (a rip off channel but unaltered clips and only audio but David Wilcock interviewing Pete Peterson over many half hour odd segments is very good. I do not throw PP under the bus in all. Bill R, I am of the belief that your trip from Swiss to Idaho (I believe it was Idaho despite that never been disclosed) was not a waste of time and money. This vid series must be a year or so old as David says PP is in hospice and terminal and may even have passed on by now.

    While this particular series can be 'dry' at times for the non technically minded, I find it credible and interesting. Remember, I hate to post or recommend piffle/rubbish as it makes me look stupid/ kooky. Much easier to rubbish than to recommend!

    The elderly do get dottery and fantastic, get facts distorted and recall poorly quite often. (Why retirement in cases like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court Justice of the USA is a really good idea) They are not necessarily being deceptive and may well believe their own statements adamantly. But most are open to being corrected if you are familiar with the topic and be respectful about it. The elderly are great and are well worth listening to, with the same discernment as those half their age.

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