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    His views on the subjects are sound except in one area which is also surprising considering what happened to Travis which is about abduction. Travis sees the ETs as more beneficial which in many abduction cases it sounds strange but most are seen as positive to the experiencer and he is a great example of someone whom was abducted and see it as positive thing. There are other cases of positive abduction which sounds so strange.


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    As far as I'm aware no benevolent ET space programs perform abduction.

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    Hi Omni,
    There are some examples of being taken and positive. Carlos the experiencer's testimony in chapter 14 of John Mack's book Abduction, The Allagash 4 case, Betty and Barney Hill are some good cases of positive abduction experience..

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    Hi Omni,
    There are some examples of being taken and positive. Carlos the experiencer's testimony in chapter 14 of John Mack's book Abduction, The Allagash 4 case, Betty and Barney Hill are some good cases of positive abduction experience..
    A positive experience does not necessarily mean good intentions. An experience can be 100% designed by the sources that abduct. Abductees speak of memory manipulation but that is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a full suite of military & intelligence mind control technology used to misdirect UFOlogy. It isn't a field that should be taken without consideration of deception / manipulation IMO.

    Have you ever heard the phrase serpent tongued? It is kind of like that except with much harder variables to combat and/or detect. There are major psychological warfare components to UFOlogy and abduction, both of the ET variety and MILAB.

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    Back then when Walton jumped out from his truck at night in the middle of nowhere towards the craft he got zapped by it, most probably not intentionally as he has realized over the years. I find the "abduction" of him by "them" probably just a way from their side to keep their "Non-interventionism" true. If their ship had killed him, he wouldn't have had his children and so on.

    So I think neither good or bad intentions are involved from their side in his case.
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    Travis and crew flashed the ship, the ship responded to their acknowledgement and later Travis walked into their light.
    It was interpreted as an invitation to visit them and they took it as such and took Travis.

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    Wasn't Travis traumatized by this event? I haven't watched the video yet, but I thought he went through some horrific psychological stuff from that incident. And I don't mean the ridicule, etc. he went through by the humans when he came, or was dumped back here.
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    I remember in an interview with Travers 20 years ago or so he said they had him on a table and he fought back and
    he said he thought the " little aliens" were afraid of him and that's why they let him go.
    Most likely they were finished with whatever they were doing

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    Valerie and Desire bring up an important consideration in understanding that a lot of people still didn't realize how much Travis changed his opinion years later. There are a few videos in which he discusses this but I can't recall the title, perhaps someone knows it?

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    Wasn't sure where to put this link, but this seems to be a good place; Richard Dolan and Travis Walton have a sit down/interview (a few years back I believe):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Xn...&frags=pl%2Cwn

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    Good morning all 😊
    The heat has finally broken over here in southeastern PA. The winds are howling! It’s a delightful change!!
    That is not why I am writing however. Last night I was listening to the video posted below; Tavis Walton telling the story of his encounter in the Arizona mountains.
    Like many people I watched the movie ‘Fire in the Sky’ long before I ever heard of Travis.
    Honestly, the movie scared the bejesus out of me.
    I was hoping to hear him say in his presentation that the ‘people’ on the craft were not that terrifying and no one put any type of instrument into his eye, but I did not hear him deny any of that.
    At the 35 minutes into the video, he is describing how a radio host told him that at the moment that he made the phone call to his brother in law to come get him is the same time that the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. That is some super creepy coincidence. Somehow, I knew what he was going to say before he said it. How is that possible? This video came to my attention by Google recommendation even though I always delete my history and activity.

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    Quote Posted by Omni (here)
    As far as I'm aware no benevolent ET space programs perform abduction.
    I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with this comment Omni.

    Not all 'abduction' experiences are negative, in fact, if you look at the data critically, around 50% of 'abduction' experiencers', half, say the experience had/was a positive effect upon them. I think the word, abduction, has been given a negative connotation when used within the realm of this phenomena.


    A very interesting and perplexing phenomena at that.


    As far as I'm aware, no procedures involving instruments were performed on Travis, that he later came to the conclusion that the small beings where just as afraid of him as he were of them. A larger being that seemed more 'friendly' then came into the room and that is when Travis was taken out of that room, through another and then into some sort of 'bay' that he had the distinct impression was inside a much larger craft (mothership?).

    Travis also came to the conclusion that these beings did not mean to take him aboard their craft, that the beam that initially hit and paralysed him was maybe some sort of energetic discharge from the craft as it was preparing to leave the scene in the forest.

    One of ufologies greatest cases for sure.
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    Quote Posted by Hazelfern (here)
    Good morning all 😊
    The heat has finally broken over here in southeastern PA. The winds are howling! It’s a delightful change!!
    That is not why I am writing however. Last night I was listening to the video posted below; Tavis Walton telling the story of his encounter in the Arizona mountains.
    Like many people I watched the movie ‘Fire in the Sky’ long before I ever heard of Travis.
    Honestly, the movie scared the bejesus out of me.
    I was hoping to hear him say in his presentation that the ‘people’ on the craft were not that terrifying and no one put any type of instrument into his eye, but I did not hear him deny any of that.
    At the 35 minutes into the video, he is describing how a radio host told him that at the moment that he made the phone call to his brother in law to come get him is the same time that the Edmund Fitzgerald went down. That is some super creepy coincidence. Somehow, I knew what he was going to say before he said it. How is that possible? This video came to my attention by Google recommendation even though I always delete my history and activity.
    You say a few things interesting. Google does not delete your search history even if your browser does, in order to send you advertising I bet as well. And this video was pushed to you despite history erasing

    Second the time coincidence between Travis and Edmund Fitzgerald

    third you knew what he was going to say.

    Too many coincidences to remain comfortable

    I will now listen. 🤔🧐
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    I like Travis for his humble easy going manners. Yes to me he is the real deal.
    Duality in our universe is a proven mathematical constant. So yes there can be good, bad or even indifferent species interacting with us


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    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    Not all 'abduction' experiences are negative, in fact, if you look at the data critically, around 50% of 'abduction' experiencers', half, say the experience had/was a positive effect upon them.
    Not all abduction experiences are designed negative. Lucifer and his minions pose as angels of light.

    Quote I think the word, abduction, has been given a negative connotation when used within the realm of this phenomena.
    Because the word is descriptive.

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    NOT an abduction, a rescue
    Travis states quite clearly in the video from post #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uRFvht4qs
    that he believes he was taken on board the ship because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was accidentally hit by an energetic blast from the ship (perhaps it was preparing to take off) and when the ETs realized he had been injured, they took him on board to save his life, which they apparently did. He said that if he had been left there, he would have died, as there was no hospital nearby and he was in cardiac arrest. Not your typical "abduction" experience at all.
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    But, if the effect on the person is positive, then wouldn't it be a positive being?

    I understand some demonic beings pose as anything they want, but the DO have positive beings too.
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    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    Hi Omni,
    There are some examples of being taken and positive. Carlos the experiencer's testimony in chapter 14 of John Mack's book Abduction, The Allagash 4 case, Betty and Barney Hill are some good cases of positive abduction experience..
    I kind of agree and disagree with both, Omni and Mojo.

    If we take alien adbuction as being kidnap, which seems to be often the case, well, by definition, it is at a minimum self serving for the alien. Therefore not intentionally benevolent for the kidnapee.

    If we take alien abduction where the abductee is concious, aware, and somewhat agreeing, well, this is both ways then and most probably somewhat beneficial to both, as it was when I brought my unwilling but conscious cat to the veterinarian.

    I do think that benevolent beings will allow the ones that are taken to remain conscious all along, there will be no fake, no screen memory. As there was no fake, no screen when bringing my cat to the vet.

    Apart from one not being able to psychically sustain the encounter and ourselves blocking the memories, which can happen, otherwise, when the blocking is done by the kidnapers, it is not benevolent.

    I do think there is benevolent beings in other dimensions and in our, as well as self serving ones.

    As well as I do think that it is much more complicated than this altogether. This may also be an hologram altogether, our lives and all, or a simulation. We may be creating the whole drama or fun, up to us.

    But whom am i to know for sure?
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    The mind can be designed. This means an air of 'positivity' can be easily done to manipulate. Having dealt with a lucifer type of being in my life i am alarmed by the susceptibility of the comments here. Scary aliens that abduct and operate on you taking your sperm and ovum are not friendly.

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    Quote Posted by Omni (here)
    The mind can be designed. This means an air of 'positivity' can be easily done to manipulate. Having dealt with a lucifer type of being in my life i am alarmed by the susceptibility of the comments here. Scary aliens that abduct and operate on you taking your sperm and ovum are not friendly.
    I agree with this, and they are most probably quite self serving.

    Can there be the opposite as well? Beings that are service to others, like their little brothers for example? I believe there are. THey may not be those we encounter the most on our planet, yet i believe they exist.

    Now, mark my words: believe. This means I have no proofs. Anything is possible.
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