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    Currently, you will find the Prime Minister of Jordan has resigned. In this embroilment, they have gotten snared by the International Monetary Fund, and to repay it, they have resorted to some unpopular moves like raising income tax. This little country which looks like it's just "sitting there" has really had a lot to do with launching most of the Western-backed incursions, and the backlash is making them fall apart.

    One of the rebel leaders, Zahran Alloosh, has recently found out that his most trusted advisor and leader of the Signal Battalion, was a Syrian government spy. This one informant was one of the main keys that allowed Syria to re-take Ghouta near Damascus. That gang had been mis-directed and sold out the whole time. In many cases, "rebel leader defects" just means spy goes home, and the activities of these guys are why sometimes battles, or the lack of battles, seem weird from the outside. Many times a platoon is sent to its death by these methods, and on the other hand, the government is not going to bomb an agent in charge.

    Saudi's Crown Prince has not been seen since the "drone or coup", leading many to conclude it was in fact a coup which at least injured the guy. Oddly, the U. S. has not backed the invasion of Hodeidah, Yemen's last free port, and the Saudis have gotten fully besieged down there with no supply lines, and they are probably all going to taste the sand. They can throw money in Syria, Jordan, etc., for the rest of their miserable days, and never be anything but the missing link between man and ape.

    Turkey still has a huge military action both in Syria and Iraq. As much as I admire them standing against the U. S., I am not trying to say they are up to anything other than "Turkish interests". They do have an election soon, with a rival who is against Erdogan's path, so perhaps they may pull off a change or prevent their country from falling apart. Israel finds it more convenient to quit bombing "80,000 Iranians" in Syria, and focus its weapons on Gaza. Strangely, the Jerusalem embassy move was apparently a 1995 law passed by American Congress, which presidents have "waived" every six months until Mr. T decided to let it go through. An American pro-Israeli action at the U. N. the other day was supported by *no* other countries. This is something of a first.

    This is why it seems to me that Zionism is now allowed to "look bad", as it really is...and with all these manipulations to make Jews and Muslims look bad, who benefits? Christians. Sounding like a Roman plot yet?

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    Shaberon,

    Nice analysis there. The only thing I might argue with is your concluding statement regarding, "who benefits?" Apocalyptic fundy Christians are ideologically allied with Zionism. They have been pushing for the embassy to be relocated to Jersusalem, as it lines up with the Book of Revelation, from their limited perspective.

    Fundy Christians are generally tea party republicans, who are pro-Trump. To make your concluding statement possible,or probable, the Christian support you are referring to would have to be made up of moderate Christians. And those moderate Christians, are, in large part Republican, but not necessarily pro-Trump.

    i theorize that the military is that part of the Deep State who support Fundy Christians and Trump and the tea party republicans. The letter agencies support Democrats, and moderate Republicans -- and therefore more traditional moderate Christians.

    Do you think then, the CIA might be gaining some traction in the Middle East -- working to subvert some of the insanity that was being planned for Iran?
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    i can report as of today that its all still quiet here in israel.

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    i can report as of today that its all still quiet here in israel.
    Yes - my ominous thread title "War breaking out ..." has (thankfully) proven, so far at least, to be over stated.
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    Shaberon,

    Nice analysis there. The only thing I might argue with is your concluding statement regarding, "who benefits?" Apocalyptic fundy Christians are ideologically allied with Zionism. They have been pushing for the embassy to be relocated to Jersusalem, as it lines up with the Book of Revelation, from their limited perspective.

    Fundy Christians are generally tea party republicans, who are pro-Trump. To make your concluding statement possible,or probable, the Christian support you are referring to would have to be made up of moderate Christians. And those moderate Christians, are, in large part Republican, but not necessarily pro-Trump.

    i theorize that the military is that part of the Deep State who support Fundy Christians and Trump and the tea party republicans. The letter agencies support Democrats, and moderate Republicans -- and therefore more traditional moderate Christians.

    Do you think then, the CIA might be gaining some traction in the Middle East -- working to subvert some of the insanity that was being planned for Iran?
    No I had Catholics in mind. As, let's say, Zionist-Fundamentalist Christianity is one arm, Fundamental Islam is another, of an old British regime, Catholicism is above and beyond that whole ball of wax and will be glad to offer up its solutions for world peace. Moderate Protestants may get some side benefit of looking good, but, to the "Mother Church", that's not considered Christianity. And I mean it on more of a global basis, since they have most of South America and a lot of Europe, plus Jesuitical influence or control over things outside of their congregation. And of course that's where Armageddonism or Millenialism came from, and for this exact reason, to get all these religions into conflict so they could clean up the mess later on.

    Probably the main let-up in what's planned for Iran, is going to be the impossibility of actually doing it. That is what Syria is showing us. The stuff no longer works.

    Israel has been really quiet since the retaliation. I'm glad there hasn't been a major escalation, but, a little further down the road, the Turkish invasion of Syria and Iraq is going to have to be dealt with. Some of the Kurds are even approaching the Syrian government, because a lot of people are sick of the U. S. and American-backed Kurds.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    There was another air strike to Syrian Troops and/or Hezbollah causing some twenty or forty casualties.

    Near Abu Kamal, the militia are defeating ISIS who retreated to the Al-Tanf area controlled by U. S. And some are saying the U. S. responded with the strike, or Israel did it (CNN version). Maybe in a few days it will come clear. That's going to be a nasty area very soon.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Most importantly, the terrorists have lost their ground connection to the operations room in Jordan. Syria has reclaimed what I believe is called al-Nassib border crossing. Consequently, Israel has slipped in a few small airstrikes in support of the remaining bands of degenerates, and the U. S. airstrikes have blown up at least thirty civilians around Abu Kamal. A big swath of southern Syria is back under the government, there have been numerous surrenders.

    Meanwhile, it appears Turkey, back under another term of Erdogan, is making airstrips around their posts in the north. Their main concern is Kurdish independence, and some Kurds are seeing Syrian reconciliation as a better plan than being a U. S. backed militia. To Turkish credit, at least they don't make up things like the presence of thirty or eighty thousand Iranians, or recycle ten-year-old news to try to prove a chemical weapons program. They seem pretty straightforward for being a large state actor who simply doesn't like Kurds, or the usurpation of Islamic connection to Jerusalem, and hence by extension the U. S.

    Most non-state terrorist groups are now confined to either the southern pocket or the northern province Idlib. It will be interesting to watch the state actors swallow their bitter pill that they were unable to partition Syria, while they justify sending the Saudi coalition to its Yemeni grave. Saudis just enjoyed striking their own forces with an Apache helicopter. For someone with no air defense, Houthis are really bleeding those guys out. I don't recall if the allegedly injured or killed Crown Prince has been seen again.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Looks like Syria steamrolled their way out towards the Golan area. Two things happened: the Knesset revoked the "Caesar" power recently grabbed by Netanyahu & Lieberman...kind of a delayed veto. Then, Israel evacuated about 800 White Helmets and about 2,200 foreign agents, about half from the Saudi coalition. Whatever's left in that small corner is a bit of those that no one really cares about. Nothing much to impede the Syrian military other than maybe a degree of caution about not sparking the Israelis.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Aaaand...that really sensitive powder keg is gone.

    All Golan border purged of militants and under government control. So this should prevent those stray shells and airplanes and so forth that Israel likes to retaliate against. So-called ISIS only holds a few miles across the top of Jordan.

    It remains to be seen about the state actors. With Turkey, at least, it is not too hard to see what they want. The U. S. and pals cannot really be determined. Imperialistic Balkanization is obviously not going to happen, and their only real option is to go occupy Jordan. They have some time to play with, as Syria is going to roast all the militants they moved to Idlib, but every victory frees up more of their military assets to deal with ever-decreasing adversaries. Everyone knows the U. S. is not going to engage anyone who can actually fight back. They will probably be relegated to year sixteen or however long it is of quagmire in Afghanistan. Anyone remember the simple Afghan request for some evidence that bin Laden attacked the U. S.? Or his alleged body thrown in the ocean?

    U. S. and good evidence, ne'er the twain shall meet.

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    The rest of the White Helmets are stuck in Idlib.

    According to Russia, they are preparing a chemical attack, so they sent in a few cruise missile ships.

    According to Uncle Scam, Damascus is preparing a chemical attack, so they sent in a few cruise missile ships.

    Although the terror gangs are mostly finished, this still has potential for state actors to go for the hard knocks. Israel does not seem to be doing anything. Turkey and U. S. still very dangerous.

    Toss "war hero" Mccain into the ten or more western authority figures chanting "Assad must go" who themselves are now dead or deposed. From Obama and Sarkozy up to this chowder head who entered Syria with no visa to take pictures with Al Qaeda. They're gone and their system is nose diving. Despite the losses, Syria now has a very effective military and a better connection to Iraq and Iran.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    The rest of the White Helmets are stuck in Idlib.

    According to Russia, they are preparing a chemical attack, so they sent in a few cruise missile ships.

    According to Uncle Scam, Damascus is preparing a chemical attack, so they sent in a few cruise missile ships.

    Although the terror gangs are mostly finished, this still has potential for state actors to go for the hard knocks. Israel does not seem to be doing anything. Turkey and U. S. still very dangerous.

    Toss "war hero" Mccain into the ten or more western authority figures chanting "Assad must go" who themselves are now dead or deposed. From Obama and Sarkozy up to this chowder head who entered Syria with no visa to take pictures with Al Qaeda. They're gone and their system is nose diving. Despite the losses, Syria now has a very effective military and a better connection to Iraq and Iran.
    McCain was a war monger who hooked up with real Al Qaeda terrorist that he wanted the US to support, Keating 7, Sarah Palin, 'bomb bomb Iran, ... and more I'm glad he's gone.

    I read that warning about a new false flag there..... What a surprise that wouldn't be... the CIA scorpion has not changed it nature as some have said here...... so any time things get dull here with not enough terror porn for the populace they will supply another one world wide.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Some Kurds in the SDF found the U. S. turning their back on them, and in the past few days, have been defeated by ISIS and attacked by Turkey. This is despite the 500 trucks of gear.

    The DMZ isn't working because the Turkish proxies do not like the the Saudi ones and they ratchet against each other in that tight space. These gangs are running courts to find out who leaked the whereabouts of the chemical cargo.

    I don't believe Israel has done anything more although they claim they have.

    Meanwhile, Russia overflew the NATO drills with a couple of Bear Bombers...why not?

    Syrian civilians killed by U. S. bombs since the last post in this thread must be in the hundreds.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Did the gas go off?

    Ukraine looks to have sparked a bit too.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    As we expected, the Kurdish child-conscripting SDF has just been betrayed by its NATO pals.

    U. S. and France have withdrawn from the Turkish border, so Turkey is going to annihilate the Kurds. France, the new world's policeman, isn't going to leave, because ISIS is not defeated. The Americans are going to leave because Trump has declared a victory, that ISIS is defeated. In response, the Kurds are going to release over 3,000 ISIS prisoners.

    Seeing as the SDF is not very popular, perhaps the other Kurds will see fit to reconcile with the Syrian state.

    So far, my proud country has managed to eliminate perhaps thousands of civilians with banned cluster bombs, the Syrian military several times and now decided that Assad can stay, propped up a new junta, the SDF, and abandoned it to sort it out with another one, ISIS, who will enjoy at least a temporary upsurge, after the several rescues and other forms of assistance rendered it by the U. S., policy courtesy of Chatham House and Council on Foreign Relations, thanks again, unelected dictators!

    Israel has been fairly quiet and advised that when attacking Syria, they will eat missiles for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and in between snacks, so they seem to be raring up at Lebanon instead.

    Looks to me like the U. S. has little option but to slink away when confronted by someone who can punch back. So there is almost a Turkey v. France scenario in a foreign country, while we may note, at home, both face considerable unrest and opposition to their own governments. Of course the French narrative is different; anywhere else, it would be a just uprising with some kind of U. S. aid to the rebels, but here, there is no choice but to say the government is right and the people should sit down and shut up. Maybe this time those loud-mouthed people can switch it around. Here, this thing about "the Wall" and withdrawing from the INF will...probably not provoke the same kind of civil unrest. And still, N. Korea refuses to de-nuclearize, since unilateral surrender was not exactly the way they were doing it. I haven't seen how they have worked it out with the South, but that seemed to be going fairly well, since they were going around the U. S. for the rapprochement.

    I have no idea what France may have done about ISIS in any way, shape, or form. Seems like they are just visitors in the middle of a mess. They have actually been pretty low on the scale of spies, weapon supplies, etc., to the various factions. Anyway, it's your turn!

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    If this is not the start of another major Middle East war, then I'll be surprised.
    Looks like it is time for me to be surprised.

    Just seven months later, Trump is now withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria.
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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Maybe it will just be less U. S. involvement. Mattis and some other windbag resigned because their bloodlust remains unsatisfied. Netanyahu says that after U. S. withdrawal, Israel will launch more attacks. Plus, U. S. isn't going far, setting up another airbase in Iraq where they're not particularly welcome. Also, another "Afghan drawdawn" is being mulled. Britain is still "bombs away" to the Syrians. It's not out of the question that if there are French or Israeli casualties, America will be right back.

    As we know words don't mean much as situations change, what we can be sure of right now, is that they have left the border area, to throw SDF to the Turkish wolves. Meanwhile replacing a carrier in the Persian Gulf for the first time since they realized they could easily be hosed from the Caspian Sea.

    I hope we can remain pleasantly surprised by the lack of a major outbreak, but the combined U. S. - French presence was fairly minor. Turkish one is major.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

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    If this is not the start of another major Middle East war, then I'll be surprised.
    Looks like it is time for me to be surprised.

    Just seven months later, Trump is now withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria.
    A nice honest update here! I think we could do with more of this as most threads predicting disasters just fade into the past without anything happening and all those people believing it would happen just forget - then get caught up in the latest gloomy prediction...

    I seem to remember at least two predicting a financial crash this year, another one predicting war in the Middle East on the 29th November and there are many others. Nothing necessarily wrong but I think as a group we should be more aware that at least 9 out of 10 of these predictions don't happen. Maybe then we will be more optimistic.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    Yes, there are a lot of those "here tomorrow, gone today" disasters. I have not really thought that possible in the Syrian theater, in fact have seen more "cooler heads prevail" with Russia just kind of going public about its planes getting shot. Although it looks like the gringos are out of the way and Turkey and the Kurds are about to touch gloves. Israel would kind of liked to be on the SDF side, I see they just submitted in Gaza after eating a massive battery of cheap, inaccurate rockets that actually resulted in civilian casualties. So they go to dissolve the Knesset. I don't think they want to relive that every few minutes against worse kinds of missiles. In all likelihood, if Turkey mainly targets SDF and ISIS then, they are kind of doing everyone a favor and could actually come out of this with greater standing of the "non-U. S." variety.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    An interesting shift happened.

    A few years ago, one of the only reasonable and effective actions committed by U. S. Air Force was to break the hold at Tishrin Dam from one of those Saudi groups. This placed it in Kurdish authority where it remained since.

    The U. S. ground forces have now gotten out of the way, and the Kurds gave the dam back to Syria. Geographically, this is the major gate to the mostly desert area east of the Euphrates River. Syria now has it and the corresponding city. So this is very significant to reclaiming their territory.

    Turkey could be described as shifting away from the dollar and using regional currencies, and, who knows what in the long run they are going to do, currently being a military buildup all across the border, they have a strip ten or twenty kilometers deep, not far from Syria's newly taken city.

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    Default Re: War breaking out in the Middle East: Israel vs Syria, May 2018 (perhaps entangling Iran, Russia and the US)

    This has gotten a lot less remarkable since the Empire was defeated in a military sense quite some time ago, and is only putting in an appearance.

    Turkey has conceded to let go of Tahrir al Sham, one of the larger militias remaining in Syria. This prompted the takfiris to go beg to Washington, who may smile. Meanwhile Syria has purged Khan Shaykoon and pretty much the whole Hama province.

    Things like this make Israel get itchy towards Lebanon, they started an incident, which sent them away with a few casualties. Hezbollah attacked their Avivim base which is now abandoned, and there are no Israeli soldiers on the border today.

    The relatively weak International Criminal Court has re-opened the case against Israel for attacking a Turkish ship in Gaza in 2010. "You have no jurisdiction over us, we just tell you what to do" is the motto towards this entity. But, even some publicity will just rub their nose in the mire of truth a little more.

    U. S. did blow up something in Idlib, it is hard to be sure yet what really happened, but we can have more confidence that 20 year Treasuries are at an all-time low. It has caused masses of people to try to run across the Turkish border. The Turkish invasion will soften, not because they lack personnel or equipment, but because they don't want "aftermath". One of the actual Turkish units is now surrounded/besieged by Syria. The U. S. attack was unprompted and rather strange, possibly an attempt to make it look like they "do good", while it is thought that there were either Syrian negotiators at the site, or some intelligence asset they wanted to silence.

    In Yemen, U. A. E. is now attacking the Saudi coalition. Saudi Arabia is being attacked internally all over the place, including farther east than ever before. Most of those are only a drone or a few missiles, not all that big, but on the ground, the Saudis keep getting killed whenever they can't run away. It's complicated, but, in four years, I see nothing of Saud that indicates they have accomplished any kind of security or stability; instead, it has become quite clear that they are very ape-like.

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