Kevin Moore interviews Kerry Cassidy

[Bill Ryan]

Well, I've just got in from a long day in town. Wow!

A few immediate points:

• I'm 100% with Mike here. He was quoting. And I have to say, I do understand the kind of thing he's referring to. It's what a friend of mine used to quip as 'praising with faint damns'.

• I'm definitely not going to listen to the interview.

• If anyone's accusing me of being dishonorable (WTF?), then please read this again! It was the one of the most honorable things I ever did — standing by her rather than taking a TV deal.

  Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
  there WAS an interesting situation that followed our 2010 TV show pilot. Our pilot episode wasn't taken up, but the network (and the production company) wanted to do a show around me alone, not featuring Kerry at all. I turned the offer down, saying it had to be both of us together or not at all.
  
  One might regard that as a kind of pivotal, life-changing, 'Sliding Doors' moment. If I'd accepted the offer, and turned my back on Kerry, my entire career after that could have been rather different. Interesting to think about.

[Spellbound]

I agree with a lot of Mike's viewpoints above. I think Kerry took a few swipes at Bill in the interview. As Mike pointed out, she makes it sound as if she did a lot more of the heavy lifting in the early Camelot days...referring to Bill as merely a "prepper". The impression I have from watching the entire interview is that Kerry thinks very highly of herself...and others be damned. To be honest, I've long had this impression of her. Her inference that Linda Moulton Howe was jealous of her is laughable. Personally, I think Bill and Kerry stopped working together, for the most part, because Kerry believes most everything people tell her (and therefore provides a platform for anyone who has something outlandish to say), whereas Bill brought a certain amount of skepticism to things. Bill was Scully to Kerry's Mulder. Kerry constantly thinks people are out to get her, to sabotage her, as if she is so important on a grand scale (which she's not, imo). I had to laugh (again) when she implied that she is a threat to the military....that they find her "dangerous". Funny that she mentioned her interview with Aaron McCollum from a few years back.....as I felt that was one of her worst choices to give a platform to.

Bill and Kerry together were great....well balanced (for the most part). Kerry on her own is fear porn filled with self indulgence. Perhaps she's not invited to conferences or C2C not because they are intimidated by her....but because they simply don't like her (her level of self importance knows no bounds). From day one when I first discovered PC back in the early days, I long felt Bill was more important than Kerry to the overall concept.

Dave - Toronto

[HaveBlue]

Kerry - Kevin Moore interview @28 mins - I believe Kerry saying Bill being 'not honourable' will be about the 'Heather Material' incident. At the time Bill did not believe it while Kerry was in boots and all. She thought at that time the couples' lives were in danger (due to Bill) while Bill did not.

She does not say this during this interview, I am going from memory of the goings on at the time of the Camelot-Avalon divergence. This was at that time the first time her and Bill had disagreed publicly. Any other issues going on behind the scenes I don't know. (Possible Australian financier that Bill was against etc...)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
Kerry - Kevin Moore interview @28 mins - I believe Kerry saying Bill being 'not honourable' will be about the 'Heather Material' incident. At the time Bill did not believe it while Kerry was in boots and all. She thought at that time the couples' lives were in danger (due to Bill) while Bill did not.

For reference, yes, the 'Heather material' was a crude fake, perpetrated by former Avalon member Ben Murphy (username kinsuemi2). A ton of stuff gives it away, including his persistent dyslexic typo "soliders" for "soldiers". But (this is true, not a catty remark!) Kerry was never very interested in (or good at) analytical forensics.

Here's the original, with my added notes. (You should see them in all the little yellow 'breakout' PDF comment balloons.) The issue still surfaces now and again. It was indeed a strong disagreement between us... Kerry always maintained it was real, and it absolutely wasn't.

• http://projectavalon.net/Heather_rep...n_comments.pdf

That wasn't the only bone of contention.

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
She does not say this during this interview, I am going from memory of the goings on at the time of the Camelot-Avalon divergence. This was at that time the first time her and Bill had disagreed publicly. Any other issues going on behind the scenes I don't know. (Possible Australian financier that Bill was against etc...)

Yes, a lot of stuff happened in the second half of 2009. At pretty much the same time as the 'Heather' silliness, we were approached by an Australian who had at first been a genuine whistleblower but then returned to work in intel, because he needed the money. Many reading this will know his name. He told us very clearly that we would be wise to accept him as our handler, offering guidance about what we should and should not publish or claim.

He promised fame and fortune (in summary!), saying we should not have any volunteers on our team, he would manage a central office in Australia with paid staff, and launch a fully-funded marketing operation that would enable us to speak in special events all over the world.

I refused point blank, but Kerry wanted to accept the offer. There were other disagreements, for sure, but that was the real wedge that separated us.

[HaveBlue]

Thank you Bill, your post is the way I recall. Best coming from you rather than (a long winded memory from)me. I try to keep posts short if I can. Not always easy, but if you want them to be read and not scrolled over,..... a good tip.

[Shadowself]

Bill,

I think it was a wise idea to not watch the interview. It would most likely raise your blood pressure as it did mine.

Then they mentioned Corey Goode....need I say more? You definitely did not want to hear that part.

I agree with Mike on this one for sure....In fact I think he was being too kind.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Shadowself (here)
Bill,

I think it was a wise idea to not watch the interview. It would most likely raise your blood pressure as it did mine.

Then they mentioned Corey Goode....need I say more? You definitely did not want to hear that part.

I agree with Mike on this one for sure....In fact I think he was being too kind.

Made me laugh. Thanks!

Yes, part of my daily routine is to decide what to watch or listen to, and what not to. With some, there's a clear return on investment. With others, maybe not quite so much.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

A quite engaging watch this, lots of revealing insights, and thought-provoking lines.

What was most intriguing of all was what could be read between those lines (with regards PC).

I thank and appreciate Kerry for her work, truly I do. She has found a great deal of gold by turning rocks, but also a fair bit of iron pyrite too unfortunately, which she continues to proudly shine as if it were the real thing.

If I were in your boots Bill, looking back on all this, I'd have no regrets whatsoever about getting out and going your own way. I also think it was meant to be, I'm sure. And not just for you! Avalon would not be what it is, otherwise.

I don't blame you for not wanting to watch this, although I'd be tempted, personally, just to ensure I was not being misrepresented. Or maybe it just doesn't matter any more, and you're above and beyond all that. If so, full respect!

[waves]

Kerry hasn't gotten the bigger circuit respect or invitations because she self-deflates her own credibility through her dictatorial holier than thou prescence. You can't trust someone's view on important things who's got such glaring delusions of her own despite 10+ years of likely 1000+ people by now having heatedly expressed the exact same extreme affront to her interruptive rudeness and pedestal standing.

Too bad for her lead wall to this feedback, being that resistant to self-reflection has severely limited her own return for so much bravery, endurance and dedication to these unconventional and dangerous subjects.

I always feel so bad for the guests who just thoughtfully and humbly said something really intriguing and Kerry's response is a droll "...uh OK"... followed by.."....but do you know (what I know)???..." not only not following up but changing the subject on them, often demanding if they know the work of someone else she names, or they knows something she knows from her privileged connections or the lofty enlightenment she reminds everyone again she has attained.

Kerry comes off as never really ever respectfully listening but just lying in wait for chances to pounce on her prey to show her superiority. Her jaguar mascot is oddly apt.

I can no longer endure the rude, smug, haughty tone to get nuggets and look for other interviews by her guests. Too bad.

[BMJ]

Posted by Mike (here)
I swear, I'm not trying to be a sh!t stirrer here. But what annoyed me in the video, and what has annoyed me in the past, is that it's impossible for Kerry to say anything kind or favorable about Bill without qualifying it with some passive aggressive swipe, however subtle.

She's not overtly nasty. That's not what I'm saying.

Speaking on Serpo, she referred to him as the "Quasi" spokesman, and said she'd really already started Camelot before he came along, that she didn't really want to interview him but he was sort of the only guy around. When speaking of the "division of labor" in Camelot, she implied she was doing the important stuff, and that Bill only came along later with the camera work and so on...and his role in the early years was that of email sender. Come on.

She makes comments like, "I liked his attitude...at the time"...and then laughs, indicating a clear intention there with language.

She said something like "he didn't have alot of ego...or he didn't display alot of ego."

Another one is "he always came across as a nice guy....but other things happened later on"

She simply can't say anything favorable about Bill without also tearing him down a little. It's astounding.

When speaking of the King Arthur connection, she says "I had past life recall...Bill didn't". (The only thing missing there was a childish chorus of "na-na-na-na-na")

One may think I'm being picky with language, but she has a long history of comments like these. they add up. If you think I'm being silly, just imagine she was talking about you in those comments.

She also accused Bill of being "dishonorable".

Maybe he was dishonorable! Bill, were you dishonorable? But that's not even the point. We've all been dishonorable at points in our lives. Point is, whenever asked in a video or interview, Bill frequently goes out of his way to praise Kerry; Kerry, on the other hand, can't say anything kind about Bill without either a) reducing it back to zero with a sh!tty follow up comment, or b) saying something praiseworthy about herself to reassert her imagined superiority.

Here we are, all these years later, and she's still playing that game. It's so silly and tiresome.

Judging from your comments Mike, (I am going to watch the video later on), I think Kerry has thrown some ego into the mix and is suffering from professional jealousy.

If anything this is a complement to Bill as Kerry is using you as a yardstick to measure her success by.

There is my two cents worth.

I will continue to follow Kerry's work and appreciate the original Camelot Videos by Kerry and Bill, as they were the nucleus of my formative years into my current persona.

[Foxie Loxie]

Good way to put it, BMJ!

I feel certain the original Camelot Videos were "the nucleus of my formative years into my current persona" would be what MANY people would admit to & agree with! How did you happen upon them?

I think people sometimes overlook the fact that Bill is a great source of knowledge because he is truly humble; something not found in many of the alt community. It appears to me that each one forms his or her own "following" & rides the rails that way. Nothing wrong in that, but it emphasizes what a very Special & Unique community we have here on Avalon!!

THANKS, BILL!!

[BMJ]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
Good way to put it, BMJ!

I feel certain the original Camelot Videos were "the nucleus of my formative years into my current persona" would be what MANY people would admit to & agree with! How did you happen upon them?

I think people sometimes overlook the fact that Bill is a great source of knowledge because he is truly humble; something not found in many of the alt community. It appears to me that each one forms his or her own "following" & rides the rails that way. Nothing wrong in that, but it emphasizes what a very Special & Unique community we have here on Avalon!!

THANKS, BILL!!

An eyebrow raising article in a local paper talking about Australia spending $120,000,000 on swine flu vaccinations in 2009, led to investigations and then to the Project Camelot interviews of Jane Burgermeister.

Then from there my curiosity kicked into hyperdrive and like Bilbo Baggins I stepped outside my comfort zone and started my own little adventure.

Project Camelot interviews Jane Burgermeister

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU

[Foxie Loxie]

Sorry, BMJ, but I don't know who Bilbo Baggin is! I do remember the Jane B. video! What an interesting start to your journey!

[BMJ]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
Sorry, BMJ, but I don't know who Bilbo Baggin is! I do remember the Jane B. video! What an interesting start to your journey!

Thank you Foxie Loxie.

Bilbo Baggins is the adventurous little hobbit from The Hobbit series of movies and novel. Unlike most respectable hobbits he sought adventure where other hobbits would not dare to.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by BMJ (here)
like Bilbo Baggins I stepped outside my comfort zone and started my own little adventure.

Bilbo is the hero of J.R.R. Tolkien's famous classic The Hobbit. A simple and honest soul, with little or no knowledge of the outside world, he is launched into a huge adventure which completely changes his life. (And everything else!)

[Spellbound]

The original Camelot videos with both Bill and Kerry >>>>>>>>>>> anything Kerry has released since Bill left.

Dave - Toronto

[Star Tsar]

Good day Bill,

Kerry mentions interference by beings during interviews. Did you experience this? Or anything else strange?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Star Tsar (here)
Good day Bill,

Kerry mentions interference by beings during interviews. Did you experience this? Or anything else strange?

No. At the very beginning, we were just simply rather incompetent.

One story I've shared before is the first time we interviewed Ralph Ring. This was in the very early days, and we drove from LA to Las Vegas where we recorded a most wonderful interview.

Delighted, we returned to LA to edit and publish it... and found we had no audio. Just nothing at all.

It was likely all my fault... I'd simply not turned the microphones on. Nothing to do with interference. I just didn't know what I was doing.

So, we had to tell Ralph. He was utterly deflated and dismayed. We said we'd drive straight back and do it all again, but he just couldn't face it. He declined.

So we had to pull a ruse. We waited a week, and then told him we'd happen to be in Las Vegas again very soon, and a friend of ours wanted to meet him and hear his story (true).

Ralph was happy to meet him, and so we all gathered in a hotel room, very informally, where we just started talking. And of course, I had the cameras all ready. This time, Ralph was fine with that. And I made no mistakes. That's what became our Ralph Ring interview that went down so VERY well.

• http://projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

What I learned from that was what every videographer already knows all too well... to ALWAYS have backup systems. After that, we always had a second audio system (and sometimes a third one!), including one or usually two pocket dictaphones on the table, with a ton of fresh spare batteries all around us. Whenever recording errors happened (and they did sometimes, because they always do), we were able to make it all work out.