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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    @DNA, My first maps showed the Golf of Mexico reaching as far North as Omaha, Nebraska. I changed those maps a few months ago as although I still expect that to happen, but much later than 2020. Could the land subside to that extent by the year 2100? Perhaps so. Will there be some intermediate subsidences? Yes, I expect them. I have seen all of this.

    I think that we will find much more of Casey's reading to be true or become true in the future, but he has been wrong in his timing. Are Casey's timing errors inaccurate due to the difficulties in seeing the future? Or is it because hopes and prayers of humans living on the Earth can change the future? Or is it because of their decisions and actions taken in living here?
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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    The possibility of this scenario does strongly align with many mutterings I have heard over the years re earth changes. "The land will come where there was water, the water will come where there was land". It was a theme of Cayce's, a theme of the Maya, and a theme of the Bible, and many more sources in history.

    If I was to hazard a left-field guess at the potential mechanism behind these changes (based on nothing but hints in aforementioned themes), it would be a pole flip. [cred to Bill, you said it first, just saw, but I'm in agreement] And not a steady migration of the magnetic pole, but a full-on reversal, and suddenly. I first heard about the theory in the early nineties, and have pondered it ever since. I won't presume to speculate on the science involved, because it's conjectural at best. Many scientists won't even agree such a reversal is possible. But as a by-product, the earth is speculated to literally tip over on its axis as a result. Which could mean, as an example, the new south pole might be Italy, the new north, Tasmania etc.

    @Wnlight, have you dowsed for the location of the north/south poles after these changes have occurred? Might be interesting.
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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

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    And not a steady migration of the magnetic pole, but a full-on reversal, and suddenly.
    As best I know, there's just no conceivable physical mechanism for a magnetic pole reversal (even a very sudden one) to trigger a full-scale physical axis shift, or even a crustal displacement (which is slightly different, but still a huge physical 'slip' of the crust alone). The forces involved would be magnitudes greater than titanic.

    I'd welcome Hervé's comment! (Or that of anyone with a greater detailed knowledge of geophysics than myself. )

    But it does seem to me that the rising/sinking of parts of the crust by just a few hundred feet (or a couple thousand at the most) is NOTHING compared to the size of the planet. We're talking about the change in 'altitude' of parts of the crust by (say) half a mile or less, as compared to the Earth's diameter of just under 8,000 miles. That's a change of 1:16000, or just 0.006%, at the most. Think of what a tiny change that actually is.

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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    Agreed, no mechanisms for this exist in the textbooks, thus I too remain a tad cagey about it. Buuuut, seeing as we're slightly into the 'fringes' of accepted scientific realities as it is, I felt it was ok to at least moot it as a possibility.

    Whatever the case is (if this scenario ever does occur) it will be due – it will have to be due – to some very extraordinary processes, and something Human kind has never before witnessed or recorded in history (at least this side of the ice-age).
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
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    ... scientists won't even agree such a [magnetic] reversal is possible. But as a by-product, the earth is speculated to literally tip over on its axis as a result.
    Magnetic poles inversions have happened many, many times (see the magnetic zebra patterns paralleling mid oceanic ridges) without being accompanied by any crustal slip, much less an earth's rotation axis shift - even minute.

    To get a shift in the position of the earth's rotation axis, there is an inherent formidable, enormous force to overcome and that's the earth's gyroscopic momentum... nothing short of a bolide the size of Mars hitting Earth would do that.

    Land uprising in one spot and sinking in others is more probable than a uniform rise of the sea level. Just take Bill's figure about the Earth diameter and compute the volume of water needed for a uniform rise of the sea level of some n feet to be spread over some 70% of Earth surface... enormous volume of water needed.

    Which brings me to what is it that's actually conveyed by these visions: is it actually a sea level rise? Tsunamis in progress? Floods from stormy weather? Gradual changes in specific areas viewed as if through a time-lapsed compressed recording (CGI animation rendition for an as yet projected future) of an area?

    I have been puzzling over how in hell could Brittany go under water without any foreseeable geological components... I was left with either Tsunamis or else "Rain in Sheets." Got my answer recently: "Rain in Sheets" and their ensuing floods...
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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    What signs should we be looking for to recognize the start of the earth changes that Warren predicts? I just looked at a map of the nuclear reactors in the US. It is hard to know what might be the best place to bug out to. If we know the signs to look for it may give us an idea on when to bug out of the city areas if this should take place.
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    What signs should we be looking for to recognize the start of the earth changes that Warren predicts? I just looked at a map of the nuclear reactors in the US. It is hard to know what might be the best place to bug out to. If we know the signs to look for it may give us an idea on when to bug out of the city areas if this should take place.
    Warren and I discussed this yesterday over lunch. I'd love to read his own posted answer here, but we agreed that one of the likely precursor indicators would be a dramatic, steep, accelerating increase in the number of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions worldwide.

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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    I have had urges to learn basic survival skills, such as what local vegetation can be consumed in case of the systematic breakdown of the human infrastructure that delivers food to our tables. However, another part of my intuitive self tells me to relax, that those ideas are the 'just in case' variety. This intuition tells me that nothing really bad is going to happen. The really bad story is really a different timeline, and i will tell you why.

    In 'autobiography of a yogi', Yogananda is told by his teacher that there is a reason why the civilization in India still survives, because there are still good people living there. The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is cited, in that when a society becomes too unethical, it is destroyed. Atlantis, by some accounts, had fallen to unethical depths of human sacrifice when it was sunk.

    I would posit that our civilization has not slipped to those depths, yet, and therefore a purge is not necessary. Of course, we must prevent future events that could sink us further, but as of now we are in safe territory, imho.

    As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.

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    As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.
    Yes, I'd say that has to be possible. There have been MANY seemingly genuine ET contactee reports, including a bunch of highly convincing ones, warning against major events that never happened. But that doesn't necessarily mean the accounts (or the ETs!) were bogus.

    Not only that, but there's evidence that this alternative timeline tangle has been explored in highly advanced classified projects.

    For a key, core reference, see the REALLY important Project Camelot page: Timeline 1, Version 83: What may the Future Hold?

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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

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    As a result, i think that Warren's dowsing is picking up on an alternate timeline that is not this one.
    Yes, I'd say that has to be possible. There have been MANY seemingly genuine ET contactee reports, including a bunch of highly convincing ones, warning against major events that never happened. But that doesn't necessarily mean the accounts (or the ETs!) were bogus.

    Not only that, but there's evidence that this alternative timeline tangle has been explored in highly advanced classified projects.

    For a key, core reference, see the REALLY important Project Camelot page: Timeline 1, Version 83: What may the Future Hold?
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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    Returning to the theme of this new thread, which is "WHAT IF?"

    It's merely an invitation to speculate, using as much logic as possible. I continue to have many thoughts about this. I'm not unduly worried, at all, because I find it all almost impossible to believe.

    The predictions are kind of mad, but wnlight/Warren is highly credible, intelligent, educated, aware, methodical, careful and sane. So the resulting cognitive dissonance prompts me to play with the ideas in as much detail as seems accessible, as a purely theoretical problem.

    I was wondering what happens to GLOBAL population. It'd be reasonable to assume it'd be slashed, over the period of half a generation. It might even fall back to 1 billion by (say) 2030. That's half way to the infamous Georgia Guidestones goal of 500 million.

    Now, if the black ops guys somehow KNOW this would happen... would they try to prevent it, assuming they even could? Or tell the citizens about it beforehand? I'd argue absolutely not.

    Some of you may remember the trailer for Roland Emmerich's film 2012. The movie was pretty dreadful, but the excellent, striking tagline was

    The answer was


    And, meanwhile, see my speculative thread From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis, in which I present evidence — thin, but there to be found — that the Breakaway Civilization are planning to leave the planet. (If so, one might wonder why...)

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    1) Note the new land in green, especially the huge new island in the Pacific. That's as big as the US and China combined. (Maybe more.)

    Who'd want to claim that? The US and China, for sure. Immediately, and both at once. And that alone might provoke a nuclear exchange, even if it was in that unpopulated area.
    I think this is exactly why control of areas such as the South China Sea has become such a hot-button issue. One way or another, undersea real estate is going to become valuable. Japan is even working on underwater cities.

    Chinese companies (ie, the Chinese government -- same thing under communism) already own large swathes of the continental US as well. Supposedly all of this land was sold to them as collateral for continuing to prop up the Federal Reserve note, with the idea that in the future China may claim this land for settlement, or just quietly begin migrating millions of people onto it.

    Asian countries in particular have more and more people and less and less room for them all.


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    I have had urges to learn basic survival skills, such as what local vegetation can be consumed in case of the systematic breakdown of the human infrastructure that delivers food to our tables. However, another part of my intuitive self tells me to relax, that those ideas are the 'just in case' variety. This intuition tells me that nothing really bad is going to happen. The really bad story is really a different timeline, and i will tell you why.
    Personally I feel like every responsible citizen has a duty to know how to gather food from the wild, whether that be learning which plants are edible, or learning to fish or hunt. I don't think of it as something for an end of the world scenario, but just basic human skills that all of our ancestors have had to know since time immemorial. To not have these skills is to miss something very basic about the human experience, and the cycle of life in general.

    Plus it can give you an added level of self-confidence, to know that your existence does not depend upon the success of society as a whole. It's one less thing to worry about, though it would still not be a very pleasant thing to have to endure.

    Many plants grow year-round and are edible, like dandelions, plantain, and cressy greens, though maybe not in Canada. The natives in Canada largely survived off of fish.
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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE THE ANSWER TO MIAMI AND ISLANDS SINKING, AND IT IS THAT SUBTERRANEAN GASSES MOVING TO OTHER PLACES LETTING THE LAND SINK. In the case of Miami, there is said to be a huge Methane bubble under the salt dome of the Gulf of Mexico and that is why drilling for oil there is frowned upon. The dome has sprung a LEAK and gasses around Miami are moving to the Atlantic. Remember Edgar Casey's prediction that a large land mass would rise off Georgia and Carolina? When that happens, Florida or a good portion of it will sink because the gasses that held it up have moved.

    At first I thought the equatorial bulge of the Ocean was moving North with the movement of the Magnetic North Pole towards Siberia; however, islands like Barbados and the Dutch West Indies have not had a change of sea level. THAT LEAVES SINKING. IF THE GAS DRILLING IN THE GULF DOES NOT STOP, A LOT OF CHANGES WILL HAPPEN INCLUDING TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MARALARGO.
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    Default Re: Thinking the Unthinkable: a WHAT IF scenario, should there be major sea level changes coming soon

    You've shown the rising of Lemuria with the green land in the Pacific.

    As much as we've become accustomed to "Tectonic Plate Drift" theory, there is no evidence for it (circumstantial only). The crustal plates might slip a few meters...but travel thousands of miles sideways??

    The alternate proposition is that the "plates" are really columns that move up and down. When something else goes down, Lemuria pops up. That's what I see on the map, although I would expect a time frame of millions of years. And when that happens, everyone is toast. The 12,000 years of technology required for a can of beans will have to be repeated.

    Make western Europe and California blue, that would be my expected scenario. I've been expecting it for a long time and don't really anticipate it coming next year. Depending on the mechanism of change, there could become more, or less, ice, which would also have a profound effect. Possible greenhouse gases/nuclear winter. End of the plant kingdom, reverting to red algae. So much of our fragile environment derives from the precise strength of gravity and the unique properties of water, a .001 change to any of that would probably bring annihilation. Because our last epoch went out with water/ice, this one would probably go by fire/volcanoes with lots of dust and gas. The single Krakatoa eruption in the 1800s made three days of darkness.

    There probably would be survivor pockets that mostly turn on each other, or on themselves. There might be a few success stories, but humanity as a whole is either vicious, or almost vicious until something happens to let it out. The "thin thread of society" is a rather special case, painstakingly built. Human behavior during a major planetary change would not be pretty.

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    65.6 Questioner: Would the coming changes as we progress into fourth density— I’m speaking of changes not only in the physical third-density planet due to the heating effect but also the changes that are heralding fourth-density vibrations such as the ability of people to perform what we term paranormal activities— I’m assuming that both of these are also and will act as catalyst to create a greater seeking. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The paranormal events occurring are not designed to increase seeking but are manifestations of those whose vibratory configuration enables these entities to contact the gateway to intelligent infinity. These entities capable of paranormal service may determine to be of such service on a conscious level. This, however, is a function of the entity and its free will and not the paranormal ability.

    The correct portion of your statements is the greater opportunity for service due to the many changes which will offer many challenges, difficulties, and seeming distresses within your illusion to many who then will seek to understand, if we may use this misnomer, the reason for the malfunctioning of the physical rhythms of their planet.

    And

    65.9 Questioner: We would seem to have dual catalysts operating, and the question is which one is going to act first. The prophecies, I will call them, made by Edgar Cayce indicated many Earth changes and I am wondering about the mechanics of describing what we call the future. Ra, it has been stated, is not a part of time and yet we concern ourselves with probability/possibility vortices. It is very difficult for me to understand how the mechanism of prophecy operates. What is the value of a prophecy such as Cayce made with respect to Earth changes with respect to all of these scenarios?

    Ra: I am Ra. Consider the shopper entering the store to purchase food with which to furnish the table for the time period you call a week. Some stores have some items, others a variant set of offerings. We speak of these possibility/probability vortices when asked with the understanding that such are as a can, jar, or portion of goods in your store.

    It is unknown to us as we scan your time/space whether your peoples will shop hither or yon. We can only name some of the items available for the choosing. The, shall we say, record which the one you call Edgar read from is useful in that same manner. There is less knowledge in this material of other possibility/probability vortices and more attention paid to the strongest vortex. We see the same vortex but also see many others. Edgar’s material could be likened unto one hundred boxes of your cold cereal, another vortex likened unto three, or six, or fifty of another product which is eaten by your peoples for breakfast. That you will breakfast is close to certain. The menu is your own choosing.


    The last line "The menu is your own choosing." pretty much sums it up for me.

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    What is the source for the population data? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...9&d=1525717949

    A quick look is showing a large difference between the population data on the pdf and the census numbers in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._by_population

    You have Boston listed as roughly 4 million people but it’s census population is under 700,000. The entire state is less than 7 million people according to the census.

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    You have Boston listed as roughly 4 million people but it’s census population is under 700,000. The entire state is less than 7 million people according to the census.
    It varies greatly depending on population type. The city population of Boston, according to wikipedia, is 617k. The metropolitan population is 4.6million. The metro number accounts for all the surrounding conurbations, including satellite towns and cities.

    The 7million number seems to come from an even wider calculation for the region, called CSA (Combined Statistical Area), which applies when a region demonstrates 'economic or social linkage'. The figure would then take into account probably most of New England. These conventions do slightly skew the original perception, when the metro or CSA pop. can be ten times that of the city in question.

    On this list, you can find Boston is 6th (pop ~8million) with all its constituent areas that make up that number.
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    Perhaps the Census includes sloppy coverage. It could also be that regions inflate their numbers to obtain some advantage in government grants from the Federal Government, etc. However, the figures suggest what seems a too wide divergence suggesting strongly that something needs investigating.

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    Looking at wnlight's map again, it's really hard to fathom the vast scale of that new pacific continent. With Zealandia to the south, it's has a combined landmass easily comparable to North America in size. If that were to rise up from the sea-floor, the volume of water it would displace would be incalculable. The tsunamis would flood a far greater area than just coastal regions. It would flood the world, wouldn't it?

    Of other matters, I'm also interested in how such tumultuous change would affect perceptions of national sovereignty. According to the map, there are instances of countries that were once isolated from each other now joining up.

    It's rather ironic, here in the UK amid the Brexit controversy, that the people and the body politic are all so bent on disconnecting from the EU -- when, on the map, the earth appears to have quite different ideas.

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    In this vision the UK would not only be physically joined to Europe, but Ireland joined to the UK. Boy, will they not like that. I imagine the US may not enjoy being physically connected to Cuba either, and vice versa. And there are other examples. Should this ever happen, and when the dust settles, the geopolitical debates will be...quite fascinating.
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    Is the green part in your picture what used to be called Doggerland, Star Mariner?

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