AI "Killing Machine" Set to Poison Mammals in this Region: Rabbits and Cats

[dynamo]

(dynamo asks - "WTF is wrong with these people. Are they, in fact, people, or soul-less automatons???". Or am i the one who is insane???)

Markab Algedi
Jun 23, 2018





In the words of the New Zealand mainstream media, a “killing machine” is going to be utilized to wipe out all of the “predator” mammals of the country.
This includes feral cats, rabbits, dingoes, dogs, foxes, rodents, macropods, ferrets, and many other poor animals who deserve a chance to live.
A video posted to Facebook of a wildlife lover in New Zealand encapsulated the types of animals who will suffer from this government program.


https://www.facebook.com/clyde.graf/...4080951303899/




These are photos of the animals who will be poisoned and subject to painful deaths.


The New Zealand government has been using a horrible poison called 1080, otherwise known as sodium fluoroacetate for decades, and now they are increasing the amount they use by “double.”
When enticed to consume it, small mammals and large mammals alike suffer from horrible symptoms, and die slow, agonizing deaths: this is all for some crusade to rid the islands from “predatory” species.


Now artificial intelligence linked up to “killing machines” will be unleashed on the land, as part of a program known as Predator Free 2050.


The machines, equipped with “animal recognition software,” are going to use a paintball-gun type thing to shoot pellets containing the poison 1080 at small mammals. It will be equipped with a night vision camera, a “robot system which sits in the bush,” according to the New Zealand mainstream media.


According to Stuff.co.nz:


“What could possibly go wrong? Achieve New Zealand’s Predator Free 2050 goal in double quick time by building an artificial intelligence-controlled killing machine.
A robot system which sits in the bush with a night vision camera, animal recognition software, and an adapted paintball gun that can spit 1080 pellets.
I am talking to Menno Finlay-Smits of the Christchurch-based Cacophony Project – a Millennial-styled “open-source” technology collective.”

This story is so full of disturbing details, they must be examined one by one.
First, what the hell is the Cacophony Project? They say it’s a “Millennial styled open source technology collective.” Why would these people choose to focus on killing small animals with poison, of all things? Why would they utilize artificial intelligence, and technology, for this?


The article about this is beyond disturbing, and it continues:


“’It would break on their fur. That wouldn’t kill them, but all these animals groom,’ he says. Lick the mess and they die. Gone. Finito. Problem solved.”
Gone? Problem solved? Not even close. These animals actually suffer a horrific, agonizingly slow and painful death, aside from the moral objection people should have to mass poisoning of animals.
Wild cats, rabbits, ferrets, cute little mammals that aren’t that genetically different from dogs, and are genetically identical to house cats: they want to brutally slaughter them.


According to the World League for Protection of Animals, the symptoms suffered by animals hit with 1080 poison include:


“restlessness; increased hyperexcitability; incontinence or diarrhea; excessive salivation; abrupt bouts of vocalization; and finally sudden bursts of violent activity. All affected animals then fall to the ground in teranic seizure, with hind limbs or all four limbs and sometimes the tail extended rigidly from their arched bodies. At other times the front feet are clasped together, clenched or used to scratch frantically at the cage walls. This tonic phase is then followed by a clonic phase in which the animals lie and kick or ‘paddle’ with the front legs and sometimes squeal, crawl around and bite at objects. During this phase the tongue and penis may be extruded, their eyes rolled back so that only the whites show and the teeth ground together. Breathing is rapid but laboured, with some animals partly choking on their saliva. Finally such individuals begin to relax, breathing more slowly and shallowly and lying quietly with the hind legs still extended but apparently semiparalysed”

It has been reported by witnesses of the poisoning that the herbivorous animals such as macropods (similar to kangaroos) forced to consume it suffer from horrible symptoms:


“Affected wallabies were sometimes observed sitting hunched up, with heads held shakily just above the ground. Generally they appeared non-alert and ‘sick’, with shivering or shaking forelimbs and unsteady balance. Most individuals then experience convulsions, falling to the ground and lying on their backs and sides, kicking and making running motions with their hind legs before dying. Many individuals also ejaculated shortly before death, and, with others, exuded a white froth from their nostrils and mouth.”

What kind of unconscionable horror is this? How could the mainstream report on such a thing with a total lack of empathy, total disconnection from any feelings, half joking about “killing machines?”


New Zealand is by no means a paradise or anything separate from the powers that rule this world. It is a Commonwealth nation, fully controlled by the British Monarchy.
It may sound conspiratorial, but the people who have been pushing for the extermination of all small mammals non-native to New Zealand are continuously found to have ties to Royal Societies and orders.


Sir Paul Callaghan was a New Zealand academic and proponent of poisoning animals with 1080 for years. Just before his death a few years ago, he was promoting this. He’s a model figure for the technocratic, scientism-worshiping body of academics that always seem to receive royal honors. According to Wikipedia,


“Sir Paul Terence Callaghan was a New Zealand physicist who, as the founding director of the MacDiarmid Institute for Advanced Materials and Nanotechnology at Victoria University of Wellington, held the position of Alan MacDiarmid Professor of Physical Sciences and was President of the International Society of Magnetic Resonance.”

In 2001, he was made a Fellow of the Royal Society of London, and he was appointed a Principal Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit in 2006. He is a “sir,” honored by the British Monarchy that still ultimately rules New Zealand and Australia.


There’s nothing conspiratorial about this fact: the Royal Societies are known to be involved with campaigns to kill off animals and control the population of species to a degree that can only be seen as psychopathic, perhaps even criminally insane in the full context.
The former New Zealand conservation minister, Maggie Barry, created the program to kill off all non-native “predators” in the country by 2050.





She specifically advised that cats without homes be put to death, and that’s not the worst of it.
She has a strange history, being the face of a television gardening show for years before receiving royal honors and becoming a New Zealand politician. She went to a Roman Catholic school in Wellington, New Zealand and was brought up with a strict Roman Catholic background. This is relevant, for some reason a lot of people in positions of power have this type of upbringing.


She was appointed an “Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit” by the Queen in her birthday honours in 1996, for her “services to broadcasting.”
The woman launched Predator Free 2050 as the Minister of Conservation in New Zealand, before her term ended in late 2017. Now a new Minister of Conservation is continuing the slaughter.


According to Wikipedia:


“As Minister of Conservation, Barry launched Predator Free 2050, a programme to ensure that New Zealand’s native animals were free from being attached by predators.It looks at controlling predators using community volunteers, private residents, philanthropists and government investment.[21] With over 80% of New Zealand’s birds and reptiles endangered, Predator Free 2050 focuses on protecting these species from rats, stoats, possums, weasels and ferrets.[22] In 2015, Barry urged the SPCA to put down stray cats instead of just neutering and releasing them.”

What the hell are these people doing? Why do they want to kill off animals? These people use their power to push for the death of stray cats, of ferrets, possums, any species they can justify exterminating, even kangaroos in Australia.


And make no mistake, Australia might as well have the exact same government as New Zealand because they follow a lot of identical policies and are both ruled by the British Monarchy.


In Australia, kangaroos died in the millions from a mysterious “virus” last year, and in the state of Queensland, people are being paid for the scalps of feral kittens and cats.
In Australia cats are scalped and people are paid by local government for that, and in New Zealand, all small mammals are being exterminated and dying slow, painful deaths.
Does it even need to be mentioned that 1080 poison leeches into the water supply, and poisons the environment as well?


But listen: when you hear about this issue from the mainstream, literally the only thing you will hear is “they’re saving the birds.”
That’s right… They are justifying all of this by claiming it will save birds and native species to kill off all the other mammals.


According to a long, droning mainstream New Zealand article heavily promoting all this population control:


“It took just 800 years for humans and the wave of pests we brought with us – rats, stoats, deer, ferrets, possums, hedgehogs, weasels – to obliterate a third of the native birds that flourished among our forests and waterways.
Gone with them are three of seven frogs, at least a dozen invertebrates, a bat, and perhaps three known reptiles.”

In my opinion, humans intervened on accident in this habitat once, and brought new species in, and now the damage cannot be undone. Whatever happens to the species there, it has to happen on its own accord.


There’s something unimaginably sinister behind the powers that be hungering for the control of animal and human populations.


If you want to know more about the type of people I’m talking about, watch this. It’s about a guy who is praised in academia for pushing for human population control, just like Paul Callaghan.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6EGoTuWNY

(Image credit: en.wikipedia, nzherald, mnn, lmucms2018, wildlifewonderszootoyou, stuff.co.nz, teara.govt.nz)

[Orph]

Seems to me that any non-aboriginal humans could also be considered an invasive and predatory species. So I fully expect these killer robots to do what they were programed to do and start shooting the houses and businesses of all the non-native humans with these poison bullets.

EDIT: I'm being sarcastic.

[Bob]

I would ask the OP is the point of this thread, the "killing machine" using the inhumane 1080 "pesticide", or that New Zealand is clearing what it considers "invasive pests"?

Is the point of this thread to equate killing off pests the same argument as culling humans? What is the focus of this thread?

From the OP:

In my opinion, humans intervened on accident in this habitat once, and brought new species in, and now the damage cannot be undone. Whatever happens to the species there, it has to happen on its own accord.

There’s something unimaginably sinister behind the powers that be hungering for the control of animal and human populations.

If you want to know more about the type of people I’m talking about, watch this. It’s about a guy who is praised in academia for pushing for human population control, just like Paul Callaghan.

[chancy]

Hello Dynamo and Everyone:
Where can I sign up for one of these units?
"The machines, equipped with “animal recognition software,” are going to use a paintball-gun type thing to shoot pellets containing the poison 1080 at small mammals. It will be equipped with a night vision camera, a “robot system which sits in the bush,” according to the New Zealand mainstream media."

Dynamo, you must live in a city because if you had gophers by the hundreds you would want one of these units too!! For the record I have no problem with animals and wildlife BUT when they overrun everywhere something should be done.
A few interesting facts about gophers
http://www.victorpest.com/advice/rodent-library/gophers

Yes, where do I sign up for this wonder new invention? An address please: Thanks
chancy

[TomKat]

Rabbits are predators?

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Posted by chancy (here)
Hello Dynamo and Everyone:
Where can I sign up for one of these units?
"The machines, equipped with “animal recognition software,” are going to use a paintball-gun type thing to shoot pellets containing the poison 1080 at small mammals. It will be equipped with a night vision camera, a “robot system which sits in the bush,” according to the New Zealand mainstream media."

Dynamo, you must live in a city because if you had gophers by the hundreds you would want one of these units too!! For the record I have no problem with animals and wildlife BUT when they overrun everywhere something should be done.
A few interesting facts about gophers
http://www.victorpest.com/advice/rodent-library/gophers

Yes, where do I sign up for this wonder new invention? An address please: Thanks
chancy

If you had more cats they would take care of the gophers.

[Bob]

If you have ever had your wiring in your car/truck eaten by a 'waskle wabbit', da 'cute bunny' and found out that your vehicle is now totaled, wanting to give that waskle wabbit a hug may turn more into a whack from your spade.. I've personally had it enough times (as have thousands of other residents) with wabbit invasions, destroying brake line hoses, vehicle wiring harnesses, spark-plug wires.. It's an invasion..make no mistake about it - there are quite a few articles on the "bunny invasion" and destruction.. http://extension.usu.edu/wildlifecon...animals-in-car

But besides that, massive invasions by rabbits can result in destroyed ecosystems..

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/pe...tFactsheet.htm

Impact on the environment and agriculture
Grazing and burrowing by rabbits can cause serious erosion problems, reduce recruitment and survival of native plants, and modify entire landscapes.

Rabbits also threaten the survival of a number of native animal species by altering habitat, reducing native food sources, displacing small animals from burrows, and attracting introduced predators such as foxes. Rabbits are believed to have contributed to the decline or disappearance of a number of species in NSW, such as the greater bilby, yellowfooted rock-wallaby, southern and northern hairy-nosed wombats, the malleefowl and the plains-wanderer.

Rabbits are eaten by introduced predators such as foxes, wild dogs and feral cats, which can result in artificially high populations of these pest animals in some areas. If rabbit numbers decline suddenly the pests turn their attention to native prey, causing 'hyper-predation' impacts on native animals.

It has been estimated that Australian agriculture loses more than $115 million a year because of overgrazing by rabbits. Rabbits can also have significant impacts on Aboriginal and historic cultural heritage. For example, overgrazing by them has worsened soil erosion in Mungo and Kinchega national parks, exposing culturally significant sites such as Aboriginal burial grounds.

In the 60 years following 1886, rabbits invaded 4 million square kilometres of Australia, making it one of the fastest colonising mammals anywhere in the world.

'Competition and grazing by rabbits' was listed as a key threatening process by the NSW Scientific Committee in 2002.

One could go thru the list of "feral" animals and see the economic and environmental damage created point by point.

Should 1080 be the weapon of choice? I could easily see something based on fentanyl being a more humane system of terminating invading pests.. 1080 is pretty cruel.. It's cheap too, and although it does degrade rapidly due to sunlight, it can be eaten by non-pests depending on the bait(s) used.

UK mainland actually recommends SHOOTING the pests where one can, as opposed to using poisons. They on the mainland consider pests something that MUST be dealt with, not ignored.

In New Zealand, the mammalian animal pests are a drain on New Zealand’s economy.

The government spends around NZ$70 million each year on pest-control programs to deal with the animals, and invasive predators cost the country an estimated NZ$3.3 billion a year in lost productivity.

Feral pigs pose another pest issue. They are destructive - the most destructive force in native forests - besides land development - is feral pigs. They will eat just about anything. In the US, feral pigs cause at least $1.5 billion in damages and control costs each year, according to a 2007 survey, mostly to agriculture. Feral pigs also can spread dozens of diseases. Their rooting and wallowing can destroy pretty much any terrain, fouling waterways and exposing banks to erosion. Invasive plants often take over uncultivated areas rooted up by hogs,

The pesticide of choice in dealing with the feral pig is sodium nitrite. In the pig's blood the substance causes a rapid depletion of oxygen, they fall asleep suffocated. It is being tested also currently in New Zealand to deal with the possum and feral pig pest problem.

[chancy]

Hello everyone:
Thanks for the idea about cats BUT we have wild cats and they don't touch gophers for some reason. Tom cats which are male wild cats are mean but they just don't go after the gophers.

Gophers do so much damage it's just hard to believe! They love to dig holes under the house and call it home.
It's extremely difficult to get them and fill in the holes because as soon as you get the one(s) living there, there friends move in and so on and so on and so on.
I'm not sure who's the predator because we have alot of coyotes also. 4 were in the field today and not one of them goes after gophers. Maybe they're buddies..haha
whoever doesn't have a problem with gophers has no idea the problems they create.

IF you want to talk about another fiesty little bugger of a nuisance then let's talk about mice. For some reason they love the insulated wire in motors. The wheel line motors have their wires eaten up every year. They don't eat the copper just the plastic insulation on the wires. They need to make the wires smell bad so they don't want to eat the plastic. I think they are like candy to the mice because they literally eat every wire in the motor.

I"m for controlling the populations of pests. Every year there are more and more because the political correct attitude in Alberta wants us to protect every pest there is. Even if you thought got rid of all of them you wouldn't have got them all because they multiply so quickly and do so much damage to everything they get near. It's a serious problem but we are left with trying to solve the problem ourselves.
I think this machine would be the answer! It doesn't talk back and works 24 hours a day. I am completely for it!
chancy

[LoneWolf76]

Looks to me like a system test of an autonomous killing system... Once the glitches are ironed out, change a few system parameters and you now have a lethal system to keep people off the land...

I think I read somewhere that they want to keep people off wild lands and herd them into mega cities... that'll do the job...

[dynamo]

Posted by LoneWolf76 (here)
Looks to me like a system test of an autonomous killing system... Once the glitches are ironed out, change a few system parameters and you now have a lethal system to keep people off the land...

I think I read somewhere that they want to keep people off wild lands and herd them into mega cities... that'll do the job...

IMO...
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Good job reading between the lines, LoneWolf76.
There will always be problems when some "humans" believe they own the Earth, all of it's inhabitants and can mercilessly kill anything they feel is a "nuisance".

All living things have a purpose in this life.
To make them suffer a cruel and inhumane death is asking for the same in return.

Do you kill a puppy because it gnaws on the baseboards and pulls out the carpeting?
No, you spray the baseboards with repellent, get rid of the carpeting and buy some chew toys.

As LoneWolf76 stated, a minor tweak in the algorithm and voila, you have an autonomous "human killing machine".
Be careful what you wish for and think about more humane ways to solve the challenges of living together peacefully with all species.

Perhaps we should make more of an effort educating humans about reproduction and population control instead of pouring concrete over every last part of the Earth.

Again, IMO...

[Libico]

This sounds like the prequel to the Black Mirror episode Metalhead - an autonomous guard/pest control system that "somehow" goes wrong.

[Bob]

I agree with you Chancy - We have Gophers and Skunks, Raccoons, Mice and Voles, Carpenter Ants, and Chipmunks too numerous to count.

Both Gophers and Skunks frequently carry rabies and Bubonic Plague.

The Carpenter ants make a point of picking an Aspen tree, invade the bark, and start an ugly death process for the Aspen tree. Whole groves of Aspen trees are taken down while the Ants are enjoying the "blood" of the trees.

At that point the trees become a source of food for Black Mold which as we all know is toxic to all animal life. The insect pest has taken over. In town, many different types of trees are destroyed similarly because the insect feels "it rules" no doubt.

The mice find food in the wiring of the vehicles.. Anything which is dark 'safe' and warm.. Notoriously they seek their "water" by destroying the hoses for the windshield washer..

We've already spoken about the invasive rabbits in a previous post what numerous communities and farmers have found. As well as numerous home people trying to plant gardens only to find their efforts thwarted by a rabbit or 10 who feel your garden is theirs. They don't appreciate that you maybe left a spot of land for them.. they go after your best work - they are vermin. Of course the field rats are just as bold in the daylight or nite, you garden is theirs, they care not for you and are selfish "eaters".

What happens with the over-flow, are the hawks enjoy the road-kill. Gophers, or "Prairie Dogs" invade the pastures, leading to broken or damaged feet in our horses and/or cattle. One can't walk across the field any more without falling in. Invasive thistles take over the land which was pretty beautiful.

The voles are similar to a cross between a wild-rat and a mouse and a hamster, slinky.. Similarly ones' gardens are assaulted, one can't have a garden and grow food and have it come up without the roots and plants eaten and destroyed. I tried some tulips once given to me by a friend (Mikey) from Holland, he brought the best of the best and only to have the chipmunks dig down in my hotbed to eat and damage all the bulbs. Such an assault is continual everywhere out here. Plants evolve natural POISONS to deal with the animal pests.. I haven't seen them come up with a way to deal with the Carpenter Ants yet.

The coyote population increases when there is an abundance of rainfall because there is an abundance for the other pest species which appear and reproduce at rates that are staggering - they CONSUME.. They take a balanced ecosystem, which when rains come tries to bring back itself. The plants provide oxygen lets not forget and the damage (ecosystem damage) by pests harms all life. Pests don't care about other life - remember that.

Coyote's tho are not a solution to an abundance of pests.. Coyotes themselves will attack small children, small dogs and cats, anything smaller than themselves. It is 24/7 open season on Coyotes, the preferred method of remediation is a well placed bullet. The Sheriff's recommend that all homeowners, farmers, ranchers exterminate that pest any time such is seen. Coyotes will hunt in packs. The coyotes here though will go after the Gophers if they can catch them, the rodents though dash into their numerous holes quickly.

The Owls here make a point of taking out a wayward mouse that ventures out of it's hideyhole at night. Nice to hear the Owls. They just as soon will pick up a stray cat or kitten who is wandering around at night too. A silent death swooping down to pick up an opportunistic meal..

The Hawks that circle now and then are quite a sight.. I'll look up and see them, and they give out a call, and I answer back, kinda a salute.. They are looking for the pests which insist on taking the whole environment and putting it out of balance.

There is no place for pests: (see this video of what happens after a "rain" in this case Australia)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zWVw-j8eYSk

Watch that video and imagine those things are crawling all over your babies, your little girl at night and tell me those rodents have a place.. (in hell maybe)..

We also have bobcats here. Love those critters. When it becomes too distressing by the house from the invasions of pests the bobcats will come to the house and sit by the doors, sunning themselves. Beautiful creatures.. During an overwhelm situation as shown in the video above, no large cats can deal with such an assault of pests.

Posted by chancy (here)
Hello everyone:
Thanks for the idea about cats BUT we have wild cats and they don't touch gophers for some reason. Tom cats which are male wild cats are mean but they just don't go after the gophers.

Gophers do so much damage it's just hard to believe! They love to dig holes under the house and call it home.
It's extremely difficult to get them and fill in the holes because as soon as you get the one(s) living there, there friends move in and so on and so on and so on.
I'm not sure who's the predator because we have alot of coyotes also. 4 were in the field today and not one of them goes after gophers. Maybe they're buddies..haha
whoever doesn't have a problem with gophers has no idea the problems they create.

IF you want to talk about another fiesty little bugger of a nuisance then let's talk about mice. For some reason they love the insulated wire in motors. The wheel line motors have their wires eaten up every year. They don't eat the copper just the plastic insulation on the wires. They need to make the wires smell bad so they don't want to eat the plastic. I think they are like candy to the mice because they literally eat every wire in the motor.

I"m for controlling the populations of pests. Every year there are more and more because the political correct attitude in Alberta wants us to protect every pest there is. Even if you thought got rid of all of them you wouldn't have got them all because they multiply so quickly and do so much damage to everything they get near. It's a serious problem but we are left with trying to solve the problem ourselves.
I think this machine would be the answer! It doesn't talk back and works 24 hours a day. I am completely for it!
chancy

[dynamo]

Posted by Bob (here)
... It's a serious problem but we are left with trying to solve the problem ourselves.
I think this machine would be the answer! It doesn't talk back and works 24 hours a day. I am completely for it!
chancy

It's called "the cycle of life".
IMO...He/she that wants to control the cycle of life, without concern for all sentient beings, is acting out of fear, greed, selfishness and total disrespect for it.
Remember to view the Earth as our nurturing "Mother" and see all life through the eyes of a child, fascinated by the beauty of it all.

A world consisting only of humans, and that is exactly where it seems you are going with this, Bob, is not one that I would enjoy living on.
Of course, that is my opinion and you are entitled to your own, that is, until the AI machines are re-programmed to seek targets with blue eyes, dark skin, those taller than 6 feet or wearing a turban.
Perhaps then you would change your tune, Bob?
Perhaps not.

Gopher problem?
Build a house with a basement foundation.
Mice eating your vehicle wiring?
Build a garage, park your vehicle in it and keep it secure from invasive rodents.
You see where I am going with this?
There are humane solutions to most problems and I, for one, believe that is the way to go.

[Bob]

Na I disagree Dynamo.

People don't need to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to let some invasive varmints live wherever they want.

There is no cooperation living with varmints, vermin and pests. If one wants that type of life, incarnate as one of them.. No varmint pest respects any other life about it. A varmint pest consumes, it has no respect and will not reciprocate if one gives the varmint a "kindness" - to say that varmint's deserve a chance (to take over) is clearly evoking an "out-of-balance", forcing humanity to degrade to the level of a pest. That cannot be a good thing.

Varmint's take advantage of humanity's abundance, remember that. When they swarm like locusts, they destroy continually. No intelligence is possible.

A point in your post above, I believe you misquoted me, blending Chancey's post with mine to make it seem that I am for that diabolical infernal machine. For clarity, I am not for 1080 nor for any such machine's use or 'improvement's'.

My replies, which appear it seems contrary to some, deal with looking for humane solutions handling out-of-balance INFESTATIONS from opportunistic pest species. The most humane solution is a rapid kill shot to terminate a pest/vermin in a moment. Other solutions I recommend terminate the pest humanely by putting it to sleep quickly without painful convulsions. 1080 poison is nasty, is not humane, nor is any machine that tosses 1080 at a singular pest.

Pests that are given "a chance" take advantage of humanity's abundance and give nothing of use back. These 'low life's" are the ultimate "consumer".

This video shows the invasive pest issue clearly - watching it gives one the opportunity to understand the nature of the pest; I see absolutely NOTHING that this type of pest invasion is beneficial "to the mother".

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zWVw-j8eYSk

New Zealand (and Australia for instance) recognizes that allowing vermin to invade is the worst possible thing to happen to mankind, the environment and is taking measures to the limit of their budget to deal with invasive pests.

To let such an out of balance persist I believe is a dis-service TO the planet. A vermin pest will not in any way have any consideration for humanity, or the rest of the planet. Watch the video and tell all of us that is BALANCE in action "cycle of life", mother nature in action.. Hardly.

I said if you actually read my posts and watched the video, that 1080 poison is an awful poison.

I recommended using something that rapidly and painlessly puts the pest to sleep the invasive species such as wild hogs (feral pigs), which damage so much of the environment. I don't recommend using an AI controlled robot to try to take out a massive invasion - there is no way any machine could deal with a massive invasion.

Telling someone to have a basement I feel is very inconsiderate of the landowner to vermin-proof their home against an invasive species. To likewise "build a garage" is likewise not in any way looking at hardships, or the reality that mice WILL find a way into any garage, will chew through insulation, rubber door seals, and go through the absolutely smallest holes.

Evolution lead to mankind to rise above (in principle) from stupid "animals", and mankind is at the top of the totem pole. Mankind can be wise in insisting that balance be properly maintained. Out of control pest invasions and allowing vermin to take over is just plain wrong in the idea of proper stewardship.

I firmly believe mankind doesn't need to go backwards back into the dirt with the rest of the vermin infestation - for humanity to do such an ignorant step is to devolve back to tooth and claw. To have disease rampant, to have hunger from damaged crops.. It seems to me it is insane to let vermin rule.

--- PS ---

There are those who equate HUMANITY to pests, vermin.

There can be a whole series of books written dealing the the nobility of "humanity" verses the "monster of the synthetic person", the CORPORATION (which clearly is an invasive species)...

TO continuously degrade humanity and human spirit is literally an ad hominem attack - to lump all of humanity into such as being 'as a species' as degraded, is an attack that is low and severely biased, taken to harm all rising stars who are seeking beneficial solutions.

That is ignorant at best and if it is deliberate and knowingly done, I feel is evil. One's personal biases against humanity and it's greatness to evolve above tooth and claw "animal pest mentality" are that, biases, seeking what seems to me to be devolution. Humanity needs to see two way reciprocation, balance in other words. Pests don't reciprocate.

If "the mother" (earth) didn't want humanity it would never have evolved. Humanity is here and it is learning. It learns through being shown reciprocating kindness. Two way kindness. Being forced tho into repeated "unconditional love" for those who would "eat you alive" is an out-of-balance stance.. Done once and it feels great having given of something that you could AFFORD to just give.. Being forced into it and one realizes when one is experiencing a VERMIN or PEST, a virus sucking the life out of one.

In survival of the strongest, that includes the strongest minds to rise above environmental hardships created by temperature, weather, pest infestations; to create food and economic stability to create a society of peaceful cooperation, without pestilence. Graceful education and eradicating aberration. Pests eat you and your work, your future, take your savings, take your produce, take your life. Pests take your security for 'their security' although they don't have minds that can see what will happen when they violate everyone's space or good graces. They destroy it all for everyone in the long run.

I disagree with equating one's life and hopes to that equal to pests varmints and vermin. Give vermin a chance, I think not.

[william r sanford72]

No way to secure a car from a mouse who wants in during winter in iowa..I made living farming organic for many years and when people asked what I did for a living I often replied pull weeds and fight vermin..it was sorta joke sorta truth..

Robots shooting toxic chem at things...for balance??seems a bit insane..tho hunting said robots and blasting em back to there makers sounds kinda fun I will admit.

William.

[Bob]

Rabbits destroying a new economy - if this were happening en masse would the rabbits be addressed? Tongue in cheek ? Maybe, maybe not..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8cE0zKa0DkA

[william r sanford72]

Bob..what in all that's sacred did I just watch??

[chancy]

Posted by dynamo (here)

Posted by LoneWolf76 (here)
Looks to me like a system test of an autonomous killing system... Once the glitches are ironed out, change a few system parameters and you now have a lethal system to keep people off the land...

I think I read somewhere that they want to keep people off wild lands and herd them into mega cities... that'll do the job...

IMO...
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Good job reading between the lines, LoneWolf76.
There will always be problems when some "humans" believe they own the Earth, all of it's inhabitants and can mercilessly kill anything they feel is a "nuisance".

All living things have a purpose in this life.
To make them suffer a cruel and inhumane death is asking for the same in return.

Do you kill a puppy because it gnaws on the baseboards and pulls out the carpeting?
No, you spray the baseboards with repellent, get rid of the carpeting and buy some chew toys.

As LoneWolf76 stated, a minor tweak in the algorithm and voila, you have an autonomous "human killing machine".
Be careful what you wish for and think about more humane ways to solve the challenges of living together peacefully with all species.

Perhaps we should make more of an effort educating humans about reproduction and population control instead of pouring concrete over every last part of the Earth.

Again, IMO...

hello Dynamo and everyone:
I think you are thinking outside the box and trying to make a new device unrealistic.
For example: if the powers that be want to kill everyone then they already can.
they don't need a pest control device to do that.
IF you want to keep every pest alive where are you going to live?
We already have garages with 4 feet footings and they dig deeper than that to get in.
We already have garages so the mice won't get in and they do.
Remembe we have upto 40 below here in Alberta and all pests want and do get in no matter what you build.
Sounds like this topic and thread is about people that truly have a pest problem and then there's people like yourself who believe there is NO PEST PROBLEM and everything thould live.
I'm not sure that will work since I truly have a pest problem and can't seem to fix it.
chancy