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    This is cross-posted from the David Wilcock resignation thread, as it was Episode 1 of Ancient Civilizations that had upset DW so much. Here it is:
    It's very well done, and very interesting indeed. The episode follows the research of French author Anton Parks, and questions the myth of Enki and Enlil, the actual location of the Garden of Eden, the origin of the word 'Satan', who/what the 'Serpent' was (Enki, the good guy, argues Parks) the early genetic engineering of mankind, and more.

    I'll post links to all the other episodes next.

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    The other episodes: (which I've not yet watched)

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    So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

    I have no issue with this doctrine, but only in how people think about it. Parenthetically, I certainly don’t think it’s “Luciferian” just a philosophical and theological notion, which is a reasonable proposition if understood in a certain light, IMO.

    I want to deal with that for a second, on two vital levels. Perhaps it deserves its own thread but not now, at least from me at this time.

    Anyway, this idea reminds me of what a friend of mine used to always say to me.

    He’d say “God is the devil”

    From a pantheistic point of view, who could argue with that?

    Since if God has power over all things then he has power over the devil. If not then God has no power over all things and absolute duality is reality and there is a God and a devil ruling, something I don't believe is the case.

    So if God has power over all things then ultimately he is responsible for this so-called devil.

    Now, the supposed Gnostic idea that the old time God of the western religions have been worshipping is actually the devil to me is too simplistic and likely misunderstood.

    First, we have to understand that in basic esoteric doctrine they believe that an aspect of what people have been programmed to think is of God, is actually a demonic force disguised as a Godly force, indeed. Such a force is defined therein as the classical brainwashing clerical dogmatic priest, preacher, imam, rabbi that only wants to program people with ethnocentric dogma and intolerant doctrine and rather than freeing the mind to make it capable of higher perception it actually binds the mind to only a lower perceptive capacity….a form of the devil without a doubt.

    So the devil is not only the classical debauched evildoer, sinner, and lout. But also the narrow minded brainwashing cleric who espouses not higher ideals but low capacity dogma disguised as God’s word...

    It’s nothing wrong with a little dogma or doctrine, but it has to be balanced by teaching tolerance, broadmindedness, understanding, openness and above all—Love.


    That to me is the meaning of the Gnostic idea regarding God and the devil
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    Quote Posted by Zak247 (here)
    So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.
    The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy.

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    In part 4, the notion that a global single language was/is better than the diverse regional groups.

    It may well be, but I've made a mental note of another possible implication.
    .................................................. my first language is TYPO..............................................

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Zak247 (here)
    So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.
    The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy.
    Dear Bill,

    What/How do you Think/Feel about the theory of Jehovah demonstrating this disposition because of Earth's invasion of the "fallen ones" & the following "corruption"?
    I for one will join in with anyone, I don't care what color you are as long as you want to change this miserable condition that exists on this Earth - Malcolm X / Tsar Of The Star - Will YOU?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy.
    Must...react... My perspective (I'll try to keep it short): Same God, different Law. In short, accounts of God's wrath in the Old Testament were largely targeting people of Israel, that, in those times, were living under the Mosaic Covenant. These laws (Law of Works) were close to or impossible to uphold all and supposedly designed to make the people of Israel understand that they need help with becoming all loving. Though under the Old Testament law, they were also subject to the wrath.

    This changed when the Holy Spirit was sent down by God, which allows people to receive the Holy Spirit into their lives, when/if they recognize their own inability to be Christ-like and ask Jesus Christ to save them from that inability, in order to be built up (+ renewed heart) with help from the Holy Spirit towards the image of Christ. When received, they are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant. E.g. in 2 Corinthians 3 Paul references this: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+3&version=NIV and for the "badass" himself: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...10&version=KJV

    Here are some numbers on the wrath of God (under Old Testament Law) mentioned in the bible: https://bible.org/article/wrath-god-...w-brings-wrath

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    From my personal experiences, I think we need to ask a bigger question.....Exactly where did this Bible come from & was it even translated correctly? Why should I accept it as THE authority in my own life?

    The word "God" means something different to each person & each culture. I tend to agree with Bruno Giordano at this point....there is no need for a revelation because none of us can speak for the Cosmos!

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    Quote Posted by Slobbe (here)
    [...]
    ... that, in those times, were living under the Mosaic Covenant. These laws (Law of Works) were close to or impossible to uphold all...
    [...]
    Check this post and thread: Here: The So-called "Word Of God"
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.
    The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy.
    Dear Bill,

    What/How do you Think/Feel about the theory of Jehovah demonstrating this disposition because of Earth's invasion of the "fallen ones" & the following "corruption"?
    I'm not a Bible scholar (neither a mainstream nor an alternative one ). But I do find this subject fascinating.

    Even Peter Levenda and Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy are promoting the (very reasonable!) thesis that all the ancient 'gods', in different cultures, were actually advanced Ancient Alien visitors with a range of different agendas and interrelationships.

    I do think it's VERY likely that authentic, ancient attempts at recording real history have been HUGELY turned inside out and upside down
    1. by the subsequent agendas of various authorities, and
    2. simple (but very bad) translation errors.
    That's because of
    1. incomplete material (fragmented scrolls and partial documents) and
    2. abstract concepts that are linguistically expressed so differently in different cultures that direct 1:1 translation necessitates a LOT of guesswork, even with the best intentions.
    What that means is that we're left with a lot of very confused material that can NOT be relied on to be literally accurate or exact, and is open to a WIDE degree of interpretation. We always have to remember that.

    As early as the second century AD (c.85—160) there was a wealthy scholar called Marcion who donated a lot of money to the early Roman Church.
    The guy meant well, and was highly educated. He studied all the Old Testament and the early New Testament texts that were available to him (note: he very probably had good access to the subsequently lost or suppressed Gnostic texts) — and concluded that the Old Testament God was a different deity than the New Testament one.

    He dutifully presented all his academic findings to the Church authorities. For his scholarship — and his 'sins'! — he was immediately excommunicated.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.
    The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy.
    i think we are looking at two aspects of the same entity.

    As the entity itself claims in Isaiah 45:7...
    Quote I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
    The creator god (not to be confused with Source) of this world is the god of duality, and as such contains within itself, and creates, both good and evil. It is the classic good cop/bad cop routine, with Yahweh playing both sides against the middle.

    The Romans knew this god as the two faced Janus ( compare with the bible quote above)..

    Quote Janus presided over the beginning and ending of conflict, and hence war and peace. The gates of a building in Rome named after him, not a temple as it is often called, but an open enclosure with gates at each end, were opened in time of war, and closed to mark the arrival of peace (which did not happen very often).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus

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    Episode One is pretty interesting I agree (haven't had time for the others yet). To be honest, I can't really see what the fuss was about. I failed to spot any 'pro-luciferian' red flags (in this first episode anyway). They present an exploration of ancient history and Judaeo-Christian tradition, interjected with scholarly interpretations. It was not unlike many documentaries I've seen over the years on these themes, and they did quite a good job.

    I slightly have to call into question their conclusions on the origin of the word 'satan'. They claim it means 'administrator', a title they pin on the being Enlil. I had always thought it was derived from the Hebrew word for 'adversary', or 'opposer'. Eg:

    The common Christian translation - King James Version
    Chronicles 21: (KJV)
    1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

    Young's Literal Translation
    Chronicles 21:
    1 And there standeth up an adversary against Israel, and persuadeth David to number Israel

    Not saying that's gospel (), but the reality of Satan could be sourced in a literal mistranslation.

    Whatever the case, I doubt there's too much argument (here) that Satan was later seized upon by the church and exploited. They personified it as a being, to act as a literal yang to Christ's ying. Satan was really just a stick to hit people with and frighten them - and still do. Satan would be what awaited them in the afterlife if they failed to accept the church, follow all its laws, and pay all its tithes and tributes. For power they needed money, and for obedience they needed an incentive.
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    Good point, Star Mariner! Just as the word we see as "angel" in the O.T. is actually "messenger", which could give a whole different scope to what we now understand!

    Quoting Dresden James..."When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous & its speaker a raving lunatic."

    For centuries millions have accepted the tale that was woven for us & very few bothered to question it, at all. We didn't realize it was a web that entangled us & kept us in servitude to those in power at the top of the pyramid. I am speaking from personal experience so this is NOT a criticism.

    Can't remember who said this, but it is so true! Each of us is an Eternal Being having an experience in this body, on this planet at this time. That throws a whole different light on to what each of us is living through!

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    @Foxie

    "Each of us is an Eternal Being having an experience in this body, on this planet at this time"

    that was David Icke :-)

    Larry :-)

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    Ancient Civilization is a decent series with some pretty good stuff in it.

    Not great, nothing one hasn’t seen on the discovery channel, but a watchable documentary series.

    The myopic idea of they being Luciferian is ridiculous in the extreme. The concoction of a paranoid or a fool if you ask me.

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    if one has read the works of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell the entities of Enki and Enlil were not mythological characters; they were real beings-

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    Quote Posted by pueblo (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Zak247 (here)
    So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.
    The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy.
    i think we are looking at two aspects of the same entity.

    As the entity itself claims in Isaiah 45:7...
    Quote I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
    The creator god (not to be confused with Source) of this world is the god of duality, and as such contains within itself, and creates, both good and evil. It is the classic good cop/bad cop routine, with Yahweh playing both sides against the middle.

    The Romans knew this god as the two faced Janus ( compare with the bible quote above)..

    Quote Janus presided over the beginning and ending of conflict, and hence war and peace. The gates of a building in Rome named after him, not a temple as it is often called, but an open enclosure with gates at each end, were opened in time of war, and closed to mark the arrival of peace (which did not happen very often).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus
    Quote Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless. Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future.
    Also over Good and evil.
    He a trinity of Good, Evil and the collective Omniscience, omnipotent God
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Quote Posted by Cardillac (here)
    if one has read the works of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell the entities of Enki and Enlil were not mythological characters; they were real beings-
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    Even Peter Levenda and Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy are promoting the (very reasonable!) thesis that all the ancient 'gods', in different cultures, were actually advanced Ancient Alien visitors with a range of different agendas and interrelationships.

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    Winston Shrout's take on this subject.

    The Luciferian Rebellion.

    Perhaps as evidence this is truthful -
    Goldfish report has been enduring the same assault from youtube that many others have,

    hence the bitchute link


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/kFC9uXawqJCu/
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    Bill, thanks for the list. I have watched them all before on Gaia. They are very good. Great new facts. Excellent working thesis. Substantial in every way.
    Why Not?

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