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    Default Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    The summit that happened earlier today is a significant enough historical event that I think it deserves its own thread. The Neo-con dream of the Bush era may have just officially died today, with the US and Russia taking charge in re-stabilizing the Middle East.

    There are also other major changes that were announced.


    "Options Abound"

    During his opening remarks at the press conference following the summit, Putin made some eye-opening statements:
    • The summit today represents a "dramatic" change in policy;
    • There will be new areas of shared focus and cooperation between the US and Russia;
    • These new areas of shared concern include stabilizing a changing international order and cracking down on international criminal networks and terrorists.

    Break this down. First, the US and Russia are stating their recognition that the global order is being shaken up. Secondly, they are asserting a pro-active responsibility in stabilizing these changes (with respect to their own self-interest, of course).

    If we add in the fact that it is anti-globalist nationalists who are retaking their countries and shaking up the global order, led by figures such as Trump and Putin themselves (and obviously they both realize this), then the complete and more realistic message Putin is sending in his opening remarks is, 'We are working with the US to turn things around now and we are cracking down on the international order which stands against us.'

    Reading between the lines, globalists in Europe are screwed, NATO is potentially screwed, and George Soros is screwed. Also the Clintons and Bushes are obviously screwed and Putin himself dropped a bombshell of a revelation of an additional $400 million in illegal financing going into Hillary's campaign. There have already been money laundering revelations in regards to her campaign previously.


    Aside from all of that, there are other issues that are mentioned by Putin:
    • Russia doesn't want the US to weaponize space. (Too late, of course.)
    • Russia disapproves of the US withdrawing from UN justice bodies. (Too bad -- we've wanted out of the UN entirely since it was created.)
    • Russia is sticking by the Iran nuclear deal, or at least arguing the more positive aspects of its implementation, and seems to be trying to play the "good cop" in regards to Iran. Putin makes no mention of the ongoing regime change efforts in Iran.
    • Putin wants Trump to exert influence on Ukraine to abide by all international missile treaties.
    • Russia wants a return to the 1974 agreement in regards to the Golan Heights on the Israeli/Syrian border.
    • There will be increased free-market business ties between the US and Russia.

    Trump, in response to questions about his comments on Germany buying Russian oil despite being a member of NATO and ostensibly needing defense against Russia, said that he intends to compete with Russia as an oil producer, including in energy delivery to Europe, by flooding the market with unleashed US oil production.

    After saying that, Putin jumped in and proposed that the US and Russia work together to regulate the international oil market but says that he agrees with Trump that they should not try to fix market prices (terrible news for OPEC and other producers -- Middle East's oil wealth will decline, likewise for Venezuelan oligarchs, etc.).

    The way Neocons are freaking out, this looks like a complete shut down of their decades-long agenda in the Middle East, as well as their use of Russia as a boogey-man for military spending. We'll still need the military spending, but as a ward against China, and a potential globalist EU army (hello, 4th Reich!), not Russia or the Middle East.


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    Default Re: Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    When I saw how angry John McCain was about the summit, then I knew Trump must have done something right!
    There's no time like the present.

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    Default Re: Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    I'd say we're "enjoying the show"!! Death to the Deep State!

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    Default Re: Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    Surprised by Fox News coverage being so negative too. They are more and more looking like controlled opposition, except for Lou Dobbs and Hannity. Anyway, nobody is talking about the connection between Russia and North Korea, and if we can get along with Putin, how that helps on so many fronts. Anyway, I am probably preaching to the choir.

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    Default Re: Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    From Jim Stone:
    The deep state will be very dangerous now, Putin delivered what may be a death blow yet the deep state is still in place. The Helsinki summit went far beyond "cannot possibly be any better".

    FOX NEWS CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET, THEY ARE THE ENEMY

    WHO SAID IT ALL ALONG? FOX NEWS IS FAKE FAKE FAKE.

    There is not one peep out of Fox News over Putin saying Hillary got $400,000,000 put in her campaign by Russians. NOT ONE PEEP, even after Time Magazine itself published it. Instead, Fox is talking all about how Trump is the enemy for visiting Putin.

    THAT NAILS THEM, I was right about FOX all along. They are the "limited hangout" that makes the public feel like it has an ally, only, the public has no MSM ally. Not mentioning this statement by Putin [that] singles Fox News out as FAKE NEWS.

    DRUDGE REPORT IS FAKE OPPOSITION, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS POSTED RIGHT ON TOP. NOT ONE PEEP ABOUT HILLARY'S $400 MILLION, INSTEAD ONLY TALK OF TREASON AND IMPEACHMENT.



    OY, MAYBE HE CAN GO COVER SEX ROBOTS AGAIN. HE DOES THAT WELL.


    The left is freaking out because Putin destroyed Hillary:

    OUCH: PUTIN DESTROYED HILLARY DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE, SHE CLEARLY WAS THE ONE WHO "COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA" to the tune of $400,000,000 THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE FOLKS.

    This transcript was done by Time Magazine. OUUUUCHHH!!!!

    Putin:
    "For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder, in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over $1.5 billion in Russia and never paid any taxes neither in Russia or the United States and yet the money escaped the country. They were transferred to the United States. They sent [a] huge amount of money, $400,000,000, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton. Well that’s their personal case. It might have been legal, the contribution itself but the way the money was earned was illegal. So we have solid reason to believe that some [US] intelligence officers accompanied and guided these transactions. So we have an interest in questioning them.



    [Jim Stone's] comment:
    This is the end of the left. They can't overcome this. Helsinki was an unmitigated disaster for them, and the only thing they can do now is lie about everything, about how Trump committed treason for teaming up with an enemy and all the other nonsense and then hope people believe it because there's no recovery from a statement like that, Hillary and the lying MSM, as well as American intelligence are finished.

    Here we have: Hillary was the one guilty of Russian collusion (as those with any wit already knew), that corrupted Russians helped Hillary, and that American intelligence was involved also. We have Russia wanting arrests and questioning over it, thus proving it was not done officially so Putin is off the hook and Trump is off the hook. This one is BAAAAD folks, it is an un-quenchable un-stoppable catastrophe for Hillary and the rest of her ilk.

    You can't accept foreign funding for a campaign like this, even for that reason alone HILLARY IS TOAST. And that huge sum of money probably ties straight into Uranium One, and if it does not it is even better because it will mean there is an even bigger Hillary scam no one knew about.

    Keep an eye on who is ignoring this statement by Putin, and is instead bashing Trump. No matter who they have claimed to be, if they are not hopping on this statement from Putin and blowing it to the corners of the earth, they are the ENEMY, NEVER EVER FORGET WHO IS DOING WHAT NOW.

    Litmus test time.

    If Putin went on the record the way he did, and flatly stated Hillary received $400,000,000 in campaign contributions from RUSSIANS, it means the end is near. JUMP HILLARY!!!

    "If that bastard wins, we will all hang from nooses"
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    Yes, the lack of mention on Fox News and Drudge are very telling. I wonder what Alex Jones has done around the summit? Haven't had time to search for that.

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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Yes, the lack of mention on Fox News and Drudge are very telling. I wonder what Alex Jones has done around the summit? Haven't had time to search for that.
    I just had a brief look through their website. Admittedly it could be buried someplace, but I saw no mention of Hillary's 400 Ml in the reporting surrounding Trump's meeting with Putin on any of their main pages. Very interesting indeed. Though not definitive proof of anything, it does seem that they too are following the wider "party" line of not mentioning it.... N

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    The United States and Russia have fish to fry for one other reason: geopolitics.

    China grows ambitious and wishes to rearrange international politics to its liking. Siberia is thinly settled. China is not.

    The Russians need a friend.

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    If all your theories about a new order are true then why is Trump surrounded by neocons in his cabinet.

    Has it ever dawned on you that the deep state is using Trump's antics for a very specific reason and when he goes, the neocons will be in the driver’s seat as powerful as ever?

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    Quote Posted by Zak247 (here)
    If all your theories about a new order are true then why is Trump surrounded by neocons in his cabinet.

    Has it ever dawned on you that the deep state is using Trump's antics for a very specific reason and when he goes, the neocons will be in the driver’s seat as powerful as ever?
    Has it ever dawned on you that there are neo-cons Outside the trump administration?

    What do you call those calling for coups and blood in the streets like Comey and Lynch, what are they, good will ambassadors?
    What is it you want people to do, support those who spy on candidates and frame them for crimes because they get in the way of their ambitions? Who bribe british spies to create false incriminating documents against their opponents? Who omit vital info to Judges to get illicit warrants? Whose big kahuna bi*ch cares so little for us citizens that she couldn't even be bothered setting up a secure server for government info so she wouldn't be monitored by anyone and could fly under the radar no matter what she did? I guess Ms "we came, we saw, he died...hah, hah, hah..." is no neo-con?

    You rank trump out like so many, ad nauseum, but offer no alternatives... If someone is complaining about "neo-cons" the assumption is they want peace. So with whom do we attempt to accomplish that? With the democrats? Pump some viagra into Ron Paul and try to give him another go?

    Our revulsion of globalists doesn't make us fanboys & girls of trump.. but please tell us what to do besides hate on him...We're all ears....

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    Default Re: Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    Helene:

    What do you call those calling for coups and blood in the streets like Comey and Lynch, what are they, good will ambassadors?

    News to me. Got a quote?

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    Just to cast a little shade on Putin's claims regarding Bill Browder, here's what Politico has to say about the matter:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...lion-donation/
    Putin's Pants-on-Fire claim about $400 million donation to Clinton from Bill Browder partners

    By Jon Greenberg on Monday, July 16th, 2018 at 5:28 p.m.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin offered a novel idea to advance the Russia investigation during a joint news conference with President Donald Trump in Helsinki.

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team could come to his country, Putin said, if Russian investigators were allowed to go the United States to dig into alleged tax evasion by American-born financier Bill Browder and his associates.
    "Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over 1.5 billion dollars in Russia," Putin said through a translator. "They never paid any taxes."

    Putin continued.

    "They sent a huge amount of money, over 400 million, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton," he said. "Well, that’s their personal case. It might have been legal, the contribution itself, but the way the money was earned was illegal."

    Did Browder's associates send $400 million to Hillary Clinton's campaign?

    No. We found $17,700 donated to Clinton and another $297,000 to the Democratic National Committee.

    A little background

    The Russians say that Browder and his partners at Ziff Brothers Investments, a New York venture capital firm, illegally syphoned billions of rubles out of the country. To add salt to the wound, Browder had led the charge to pass the 2012 Magnitsky Act, a law that penalizes Russian officials suspected of sanctioning the death of Browder’s lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in a Russian prison.

    The Ziff brothers came up during the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Donald Trump Jr. and others, and Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer who promised dirt on the Hillary Clinton campaign. According to transcripts from Senate Judiciary Committee interviews, Veselnitskaya’s materials described the Ziffs as Democratic donors, although Trump’s son said they gave both to Democrats and Republicans.

    Follow the money

    We reached out to the Russian Embassy and the Russian consulate in Washington to get details on the $400 million donation and had not heard back in time for our deadline.

    Given that Veselnitskaya tied Browder and the Ziff brothers together, we researched their political donations.

    Browder became a British citizen and can’t legally contribute to U.S. candidates. Ziff Brothers Investments through its executives can give freely, and they have.

    Before we get into their political contributions, we also wondered if Putin could have been talking about money that went to the Clinton Foundation. In past years, Browder and Ziff Brothers Investments had given to the Clinton Global Initiative, a project of the Clinton Foundation, but the total was not more than $110,000, records show.

    In the 2016 election cycle, Ziff Brothers Investments gave $1.7 million. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, nearly two-thirds, or about $1.1 million, went to Democratic committees, and the rest to Republicans.

    The center listed the firm’s top recipients:

    Recipient Amount

    DNC Services Corp $296,966
    Senate Majority PAC $250,000
    Defending Main Street $200,000
    Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $40,000
    Democratic State Central Cmte/Louisiana $35,412
    National Republican Congressional Cmte $32,400
    Democratic Party of Montana $28,622
    Democratic Executive Cmte of Florida $27,287
    Democratic Party of New Hampshire $27,287
    Democratic Party of Virginia $27,287
    Democratic Party of Wisconsin $27,287
    Georgia Federal Elections Cmte $27,287

    Federal law puts tighter limits on contributions to individual candidates. Here, the Ziffs mainly put their money into incumbents, and Republicans did better by a margin of about $145,000 to $46,000. Clinton’s campaign received $17,700.

    Unless Putin had other Browder associates in mind, his figure of $400 million going to the Clinton campaign is a massive exaggeration. Between the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, the Ziffs gave about $315,000.

    The Clinton campaign raised $563 million overall, so Putin's sum would account for nearly three-fourths of all donations. (PACs affiliated with Clinton's campaign raised an additional $231 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.)

    Our ruling:

    Putin said associates of Bill Browder gave $400 million to the Clinton campaign. The associates appear to be the Ziff brothers. According to public data, Ziff Brothers Investments gave about $315,000 to Clinton and the Democratic National Committee.

    Overall, the firm gave about $1.1 million to Democratic committees around the country.

    The exaggeration is so great, we rate this claim Pants on Fire. [end quote]



    Putin has absolutely no proof on offer for his claims, but plenty of reason to lie. So, if you want to believe Mr. Putin, go right ahead. You'll be in illustrious company, as I note that this blind trust approach seems to work for President Trump.

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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    There is not one peep out of Fox News over Putin saying Hillary got $400,000,000 put in her campaign by Russians. NOT ONE PEEP, even after Time Magazine itself published it. Instead, Fox is talking all about how Trump is the enemy for visiting Putin.

    THAT NAILS THEM, I was right about FOX all along. They are the "limited hangout" that makes the public feel like it has an ally, only, the public has no MSM ally. Not mentioning this statement by Putin [that] singles Fox News out as FAKE NEWS.

    DRUDGE REPORT IS FAKE OPPOSITION, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS POSTED RIGHT ON TOP. NOT ONE PEEP ABOUT HILLARY'S $400 MILLION, INSTEAD ONLY TALK OF TREASON AND IMPEACHMENT.
    I don't like seeing it, but I've had my suspicions about Drudge too. The Drudge Report is my home page. Even though leftists call him a conservative, he's actually a gay Jew, and is rather politically moderate. He's been doing an admirable job trying to bridge a growing gap between the left and right, but I have noticed that he's not reporting the deep corruption stories. I was just noticing it the other day, and it does make me wonder that he isn't covering any of these things.

    As far as Fox goes, I saw their true colors during the Bush years. They were perfectly happy riding the neocon bandwagon. That's their true home and always will be as long as the same people are running it. The Daily Mail in the UK seems to be similar, and I would imagine Sky News too.

    They have a few good pundits on Fox, but we already know that Fox sends out memos telling them what they're allowed to talk about. Hannity was even covering Seth Rich's murder for a while before he said he had to stop talking about it until a later date. Trump has personally had dinner with Hannity too, so they may be working out some special backdoor arrangement against Fox's wishes as far as I know. Who knows. But the Murdochs are no good.


    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Yes, the lack of mention on Fox News and Drudge are very telling. I wonder what Alex Jones has done around the summit? Haven't had time to search for that.
    I wonder too. I stopped watching Alex Jones after he started blatantly lying about his own Q coverage with Jerome Corsi. I just pointed out the simple fact that Corsi himself claimed the White House told him to look into Q in the first place, and they banned me from commenting on their InfoWars articles just for that statement lol. Not even the Hill has banned me from their comments section. But InfoWars has!

    Quote Posted by Zak247 (here)
    If all your theories about a new order are true then why is Trump surrounded by neocons in his cabinet.
    He also hired McMaster, who was a pro-Islam leftist on George Soros' payroll. Of course he's fired now. Gary Cohn was also a lefty, and Trump put him on his cabinet for a time too. He frequently takes advice from all of these people and then ignores all of it.

    Quote Has it ever dawned on you that the deep state is using Trump's antics for a very specific reason and when he goes, the neocons will be in the driver’s seat as powerful as ever?
    His campaign was launched against neoconservatism from the very beginning. You probably weren't watching the Republican debates, but he was annihilating the whole Bush family on stage. Not just Jeb, but he went after George W. and even their mom. He brought up the Bush administration flying the Saudi royal family out of the US immediately after the attacks on 9/11 while all civilian aircraft were grounded. So he's not exactly part of the old gang with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the rest. He's publicly called their policies stupid many times.

    Trump also wants to pull out of many international military obligations and return our military strength home. He's threatening to dismantle NATO or make it obsolete, which a neocon wouldn't do. Obama said he was going to bring the troops home and of course never did. We'll see if Trump is the one to finally bring them out of the Middle East. Based on all the other campaign promises he's been following through on since day 1, I'd say odds are he'll do it.

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    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
    Our ruling:

    Putin said associates of Bill Browder gave $400 million to the Clinton campaign. The associates appear to be the Ziff brothers. According to public data, Ziff Brothers Investments gave about $315,000 to Clinton and the Democratic National Committee.

    Overall, the firm gave about $1.1 million to Democratic committees around the country.

    The exaggeration is so great, we rate this claim Pants on Fire. [end quote]
    So they are confirming that money was exchanged, but not the amount.

    Have you seen the articles lately about how Hillary's campaign was making use of money laundering to raise and spend additional money outside of her public disclosures?

    Quote EXCLUSIVE: The Hillary Clinton Campaign and the Democratic National Committee allegedly used state chapters as strawmen to launder as much as $84 million in an effort to circumvent campaign donation limits, and the Federal Election Commission ignored complaints exposing the practice, a lawsuit filed Monday claims.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...on-scheme.html


    If Putin is saying $400 million, and we are only seeing $315,000, AND we already know that lawsuits are being filed now accusing the DNC and Clinton Campaign of money laundering, and accusing the FEC of ignoring complaints and covering it up... Maybe I'm way off here, but there may be a possibility that the rest of the money (which Putin says was illegally obtained and untaxed in Russia to begin with) was laundered.


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    What do you call those calling for coups and blood in the streets like Comey and Lynch, what are they, good will ambassadors?

    News to me. Got a quote?

    B.
    Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi are wondering aloud why people aren't rioting in the streets. That's pretty much an invitation to do so. When these other guys add in with their ambiguous 2 cents, they're pretty clearly encouraging it as well. They don't want to be the first ones to say it, but they kind of want to be the first ones to say it. And they'll be the first to hang, too.

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    Default Re: Long-term policy changes announced at the US-Russia Summit

    Actually I just read here that Putin later walked his figure back to $400,000, not $4 million.

    Quote The notion of a $400 million donation to the Democrat’s campaign would be out of the question. On Tuesday, the Russian general prosecutor’s office said to little fanfare that Putin misspoke and meant $400,000. The watchdog site opensecrets.org shows Browder’s New York financial partners, Ziff Brothers Investments giving only $17,700 for Clinton’s election and less than $300,000 to the Democratic National Committee, as well as smaller amounts to other entities.
    https://apnews.com/73a29bf8b8b14af5b...-of-walk-backs

    That more closely reflects the number Politico cites, but nonetheless, what are we talking about? A foreign donation ... a RUSSIAN donation .. to the Clinton Campaign!

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