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    Default Re: Banksters of Babylon, Merchants of Venice, and Elders of Zion

    Quote Rome, curiously, owes its origin to Saturn, a refugee from the Trojan War ca. 1200 B. C. in the area called Latium. So if you say "Latin" anything, this is an honorific to Saturn. This was Virgil's "Golden Age" when it was prosperous and peaceful to Etruscans and was really just Latin Culture, not the city of Rome. In hoping for a return to that Golden Age, he wasn't saying anything particularly kind about the place in his time.
    That’s a very interesting point Shaberon. It’s fairly well known that the Saturnalian cult that originated from Rome (the cult of the black cube, which is worshipped by ultra orthodox Jews, Muslims and high finance) is behind a lot of the power structures in the world today. What’s less well known is the root word for Saturn — in the Vedic — was the same root word used for Satya Yuga (the golden age).

    I know Manly P. Hall, in his book on St Germaine, shares a prophecy from within Masonic traditions, for the return of Saturn and the next golden age that he brings.

    Robert Sepehr has a good video on the Saturnalian strand of influence from Roman history:

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    Vedic, or Sanskrit, Satya is the Age of Truth; Sat meaning truth. The Sanskrit name of Saturn is Shani.

    I didn't know the origin of "Saturn", so I looked, and found possibly the past tense of "to sow", Latin.

    Most people interpreted Virgil's Golden Age (it is a prophecy) as a prediction of Jesus, whereas, the common context of his time was that the Golden Age continued 2-300 years after Saturn in Latium, a good peaceful time, contrasted against the Roman authorities then current.

    I would say that the Archon of Saturn was distinctly cast into the Ialdabaoth or Demi-urge--Yahweh to the point where all the Abrahamic religions worship Form. In this, I am making a distinction from the Regent of Saturn, meaning its existence in Consciousness. People are generally correct to be wary of Archons, which are probably relatively powerless until given power, which is what these religions are all about.

    It would be the same with the Sun. Adonai is Baal or Assur (Assyria). Which is fine if you understand it spiritually. But these religions worship Form, hence using an Archon of the Sun as well.

    The distinction is roughly the same as mind and instinct. Do the instincts exist in the mind, yes, but which is in charge?

    So the Saturn Regent is supposed to be in charge, but in fact, the Archon has been enshrined. The Regent of Saturn is the Father, or the Abba whom Jesus spoke of, actually that's all he spoke of, he never mentioned god ever.

    I'd suggest this is a pretty important distinction: Saturn Archon has been completely bottled and used for extremely nefarious purposes, but it is not the "real" Saturn, it is mankind's adoration of its shadow.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Vedic, or Sanskrit, Satya is the Age of Truth; Sat meaning truth. The Sanskrit name of Saturn is Shani.

    I didn't know the origin of "Saturn", so I looked, and found possibly the past tense of "to sow", Latin.
    Sanskrit writing, with the Vedic mindset...I do tend to conflate the two. Your distinctions help shine a light on why the root word of ‘Sat’ was used for both names though. There’s an excellent book on the Tibetan Vajryana tradition called Skydancer, about the Life and songs of Yeshe Tsogyel, an enlightened female Buddha from the 7th or 8th century. In that book she describes the Kali Yuga as “the age of intensified animal passions”. She spends a portion of her life teaching the Abhidharma (the truest truths of the dharma, the structure of the Tao), which is reserved only for the best and brightest of Buddhas students.

    Then she spends another portion of her life writing ‘Tertons’ and hiding them in caves so that in future times, when the world is ready, people who have cultivated enough merit, or purified enough karma; will serendipitously stumble onto those caves and rediscover the ancient wisdom of the abhidharma.

    The act of hiding tertons in caves could be likened to planting seeds of truth or seeds of wisdom in the ground, so that in the time of the Satya Yuga; Saturn, the ‘Lord of time’ and ‘king of the harvest’, can unearth those seeds and reap what’s been sown.

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    The distinction is roughly the same as mind and instinct. Do the instincts exist in the mind, yes, but which is in charge?...

    I'd suggest this is a pretty important distinction: Saturn Archon has been completely bottled and used for extremely nefarious purposes, but it is not the "real" Saturn, it is mankind's adoration of its shadow.
    Excellent distinction! That does make a lot of sense, I like it.

    The Saturnalian cult is all about flipping the natural order, where servants get to parade around as kings for a day. What was the Buddha’s quote, where he says something along the lines of ‘in the end of days, the world will be ruled by plunderers and thieves’, sounds like an accurate description of our current state of political affairs.
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    These ‘Big Four’ Companies Control the World, Yet You’ve Probably Never Heard of Them

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    Some people have started realizing that there are large financial groups that dominate the world. Forget the political intrigues, conflicts, revolutions and wars. It is not pure chance. Everything has been planned for a long time.

    Some call it “conspiracy theories” or New World Order. Anyway, the key to understanding the current political and economic events is a restricted core of families who have accumulated more wealth and power.

    We are speaking of 6, 8 or maybe 12 families who truly dominate the world. Know that it is a mystery difficult to unravel.

    We will not be far from the truth by citing Goldman Sachs, Rockefellers, Loebs Kuh and Lehmans in New York, the Rothschilds of Paris and London, the Warburgs of Hamburg, Paris and Lazards Israel Moses Seifs Rome.

    Many people have heard of the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission. But what are the names of the families who run the world and have control of states and international organizations like the UN, NATO or the IMF?

    To try to answer this question, we can start with the easiest: inventory, the world’s largest banks, and see who the shareholders are and who make the decisions.

    The world’s largest companies are now: Bank of America, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.Let us now review who their shareholders are.

    Bank of America:

    State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock, FMR (Fidelity), Paulson, JP Morgan, T. Rowe, Capital World Investors, AXA, Bank of NY, Mellon.

    JP Morgan:

    State Street Corp., Vanguard Group, FMR, BlackRock, T. Rowe, AXA, Capital World Investor, Capital Research Global Investor, Northern Trust Corp. and Bank of Mellon.

    Citigroup:

    State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock, Paulson, FMR, Capital World Investor, JP Morgan, Northern Trust Corporation, Fairhome Capital Mgmt and Bank of NY Mellon.

    Wells Fargo:

    Berkshire Hathaway, FMR, State Street, Vanguard Group, Capital World Investors, BlackRock, Wellington Mgmt, AXA, T. Rowe and Davis Selected Advisers.

    We can see that now there appears to be a nucleus present in all banks: State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock and FMR (Fidelity). To avoid repeating them, we will now call them the “big four.”

    Goldman Sachs:

    “The big four,” Wellington, Capital World Investors, AXA, Massachusetts Financial Service and T. Rowe.

    Morgan Stanley:

    “The big four,” Mitsubishi UFJ, Franklin Resources, AXA, T. Rowe, Bank of NY Mellon e Jennison Associates. Rowe, Bank of NY Mellon and Jennison Associates.

    We can just about always verify the names of major shareholders. To go further, we can now try to find out the shareholders of these companies and shareholders of major banks worldwide.

    Bank of NY Mellon:

    Davis Selected, Massachusetts Financial Services, Capital Research Global Investor, Dodge, Cox, Southeatern Asset Mgmt. and … “The big four.”

    State Street Corporation (one of the “big four”):

    Massachusetts Financial Services, Capital Research Global Investor, Barrow Hanley, GE, Putnam Investment and … The “big four” (shareholders themselves!).

    BlackRock (another of the “big four”):

    PNC, Barclays e CIC.

    Who is behind the PNC? FMR (Fidelity), BlackRock, State Street, etc.

    And behind Barclays? BlackRock.

    And we could go on for hours, passing by tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Monaco or the legal domicile of Shell companies in Liechtenstein. A network where companies are always the same, but never a name of a family.

    In short: the eight largest U.S. financial companies (JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, U.S. Bancorp, Bank of New York Mellon and Morgan Stanley) are 100% controlled by ten shareholders and we have four companies always present in all decisions: BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity.

    In addition, the Federal Reserve is comprised of 12 banks, represented by a board of seven people, which comprises representatives of the “big four,” which in turn are present in all other entities.

    In short, the Federal Reserve is controlled by four large private companies: BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity. These companies control U.S. monetary policy (and world) without any control or “democratic” choice.

    These companies launched and participated in the current worldwide economic crisis and managed to become even more enriched.

    To finish, a look at some of the companies controlled by this “big four” group

    Alcoa Inc.
    Altria Group Inc.
    American International Group Inc.
    AT&T Inc.
    Boeing Co.
    Caterpillar Inc.
    Coca-Cola Co.
    DuPont & Co.
    Exxon Mobil Corp.
    General Electric Co.
    General Motors Corporation
    Hewlett-Packard Co.
    Home Depot Inc.
    Honeywell International Inc.
    Intel Corp.
    International Business Machines Corp
    Johnson & Johnson
    JP Morgan Chase & Co.
    McDonald’s Corp.
    Merck & Co. Inc.
    Microsoft Corp.
    3M Co.
    Pfizer Inc.
    Procter & Gamble Co.
    United Technologies Corp.
    Verizon Communications Inc.
    Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
    Time Warner
    Walt Disney
    Viacom
    Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation.,
    CBS Corporation
    NBC Universal

    The same “big four” control the vast majority of European companies counted on the stock exchange.

    In addition, all these people run the large financial institutions, such as the IMF, the European Central Bank or the World Bank, and were “trained” and remain “employees” of the “big four” that formed them.

    The names of the families that control the “big four”, never appear.
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    I wonder which faction of the illuminati runs the company BlackRock


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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    How to double time into overtime

    ... as potential answers to Jayke's "paradoxes" in forging looooonnnngggg ancestries to land claims and populations.

    Some comments I found interesting:[INDENT]Responses to Gunnar Heinsohn: Enigmas of 3000 to 300 BC
    This is also chronological revisionism.

    Gunnar Heinsohn has built upon the work of Heribert Illig, another chronological revisionist, focusing on the time time 500-800 AD, in which Illig originally claimed that Charlemagne never existed and was a fabrication (Fomenko argues a duplication) and Heinsohn's work has shown that the end of the Roman Empire transitions directly into Charlemagne's era in the archaeological strata, completely skipping over the period 500-800 AD, which only seems to exist on paper.

    Maybe your post belongs in the chronological revisionism thread as well Hervé.


    Nevermind!

    I just checked the new thread and saw that you already posted it there too. Thanks, Hervé.

    But as you can see, the two topics converge. If the revisionists are correct, there will ultimately be no escaping their conclusions for anyone who truly seeks to get to the bottom of things.
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    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Some of the paradoxes that have arisen from this thread.

    1. The Phoenician Canaanites were apparently Semitic and parasitic, yet Robert Sepehr provides evidence that early Germans and vikings were Phoenician Caucasians, who were brave and noble?
    2. The chronology of history appears to have been forged? Yet it also appears to be accurate?
    3. Miles Mathis provides evidence that the Ancient Spooks were a global hegemony, even in ancient times, but if they had such great dominance, why would they have needed to develop the Protocols of Zion as a way to subjugate entire populations to their will?
    This looks like a strong contender for the issue of reconciling the paradoxes...was Jesus a Phoenician? The data points in this video certainly tie a hell-of-a-lot of anomalous features together for me (beyond even those discussed in this thread), I’ll have to wait for his book to arrive to see how strong the scholarship is before coming to any strong conclusions, but it certainly looks promising so far.


    A couple key points he raises:
    • The Phoenician God Adonis stems from the same as the Egyptian god venerated by Akhenaten (Adon = Aten)
    • Yh-shu (god of the sea) becomes Yahweh.
    • The gospel of James describes the early life of Jesus mother Mary, and talks of her role in the temples as dying silks purple (the Miles Mathis “Phoenician monopoly on purple cloth trade” connection).
    Among others, a very interesting presentation!

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    The distinction is roughly the same as mind and instinct. Do the instincts exist in the mind, yes, but which is in charge?...

    I'd suggest this is a pretty important distinction: Saturn Archon has been completely bottled and used for extremely nefarious purposes, but it is not the "real" Saturn, it is mankind's adoration of its shadow.
    Excellent distinction! That does make a lot of sense, I like it.

    The Saturnalian cult is all about flipping the natural order, where servants get to parade around as kings for a day. What was the Buddha’s quote, where he says something along the lines of ‘in the end of days, the world will be ruled by plunderers and thieves’, sounds like an accurate description of our current state of political affairs.
    This goes one more big step in that understanding the man-like dual nature of Saturn (or any planet) is quite similar to the doctrine of Two Adams: Primordial Adam, the original Divine Man or Purusha, the real mental-spiritual, androgynous, virginal man, too pure to work in gross matter, and---Adam of Dust, imbued with the animal soul.

    Saturn--Archon breathes mortal life into Adam of Dust and from that standpoint can start to claim all of creation as its provenance. Teachings oriented towards physiology and form, and eternal consequences from one brief incarnation, are the mentality of this Archon, and then its shadow so to speak blocks the light of Saturn's higher nature, interferes with understanding the intended process of "be fruitful and multiply".

    From that standpoint, I would agree that Saturn in the sense of the Archon has been bottled and packaged as an artificial substitute for the greater, and that this is employed by most modern religions. They even pretended to release it by the Reformation and counter-Reformation, which, perhaps with minor exceptions, should be seen as controlled opposition of their time.

    Now from within that group of packagers, some of them more knowledgeable may utilize various rites based on the metal lead, color black, big black rocks and cubes and so forth, with human or other sacrifices, but this knowledge is very limited and either turns on you during life or at some point inevitably. They are mistaken, because, if you examine the spectrum, you will not find black.

    Venice was "nominally" Catholic but had everything under its belt; one of the first printed magical grimoires is from there.

    To simplify, I compare them to France. It appears the Franks and Venetians were both...nobody...to begin with. It is tough to tie either one directly to Babylon, or the post-Alexandran governates, etc., one could try but there may not be much to go on. Such as the claim Merovingians descend from Jesus. Maybe. But ca. year 200 they were nobodies around the Rhine until Clovis managed to dominate and unify all Franks, so, we may notice the area now named for them is not original but invaded/occupied. These became lavish, wasteful rulers usurped by the Carolignians, which seems legitimate, as they did the actual work of leadership. Charlemagne was the end result.

    In his time, France was ardently Catholic, which meant two things. It was important for kings to be recognized by the pope, and the newish Venice pretty much hated staunch Catholicism. So he goes to the pope and is completely surprised when he's given the crown of Holy Roman Emperor. As far as I can tell, this had nothing to do with Charlemagne or France, and the pope of the time handed it out because, apparently, earthly empires were his to distribute. It may have taken Venice a little longer to build up power than by simply being handed such a crown, and there again, most of their power was from bribes and the silver tongue of playing bigger sides against each other. The bigger sides were primarily Western: Rome and what it could control of France, Austria, etc., and Eastern, Byzantine, Orthodox, and really more of a "capital" from around 500 B. C. to 1450 due to Turks with Venetian backing or encouragement.

    Eventually, Venetian-based international finance no longer needed this original country. Around that time, also, the French Revolution was much more complex than the American. Although it was likely originally a somewhat justified revolt, its success was replaced by the Terror. This was fairly brief because even its spokesperson Robespierre was terrified of another conspiracy no one dared mention. This being English-backed. Afterwards, Napoleon, I am not sure, he seems to be an unplanned consequence. But from around this bad mixing of revolutionaries, then yes, you soon reach a point of it taking a serious look to figure out what may have been just, and what was a rented mob, mind-controlled gang, etc. At any rate, France is never again the right hand of the pope as it was. Instead, England is going to fry Germany, its former ally and source of its monarchs, for economical reasons, and be mostly allied to France, where, at least the government, seems to run a vast Zionist apology.

    It's intriguing, because both the pope and Venice had little of their own boots-on-the-ground type of power, and had to rely on whoever they could command, trick, buy, etc.

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    Quote To simplify, I compare them to France. It appears the Franks and Venetians were both...nobody...to begin with. It is tough to tie either one directly to Babylon, or the post-Alexandran governates, etc., one could try but there may not be much to go on. Such as the claim Merovingians descend from Jesus. Maybe. But ca. year 200 they were nobodies around the Rhine until Clovis managed to dominate and unify all Franks, so, we may notice the area now named for them is not original but invaded/occupied. These became lavish, wasteful rulers usurped by the Carolignians, which seems legitimate, as they did the actual work of leadership. Charlemagne was the end result.
    I’ve found a couple tangential connections for the Merovingians, nothing conclusive, but enough to widen the search for something more solid.

    The first was the private musings of an anonymous Catholic Priest who wrote an intriguing article claiming the Merovingians originally came from Meroe, Sudan (famous for its abundance of small pyramids).

    http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/po...iltration.html

    Quote ...Pachiomius of Egypt (292-348): an ascetic brother of the sun, founder of NINE monasteries. He is the historical founder of cenobitic monasticism which rule Benedict later made generous use of. A pestilence wiped out Pachiomius and 100 of his monks in 348. Sixteen hundred years later the Nag Hammadi papyrus, gnostic writings, were unearthed near one of the monasteries of Pachiomius in Pabau. Pachiomius passed his cloak to St. Martin of Tours who then lived in Pannonia, the first mainland European home of Merovingians, originally from Meroe, ancient Ethiopia (part of ancient Egypt). Martin of Tours (316-397): Son of a pagan, Martin lived as a hermit in Pannonia before even hearing of Christianity. Upon receiving his cloak, Martin then cut his cloak in half and gave half of it to a poorly clad beggar “converting” to Christianity. Likewise, the 1st Merovingian king, Childeric, who arrived in Gaul from the same Pannonia, cut a silver coin in half (Silver Brotherhood) and went forth to Ireland to become St. Patrick which is why the world’s Masons celebrate St. Patrick (more on this shortly)
    Another interesting connection featured in the book ‘Mythology of the Babylonian People’ by Donald A Mackenzie, who talks about the Merodach priesthood in Babylon. After doing a little digging online, it turns out Merodach was a westernised way of saying ‘Marduk’. It isn’t much to go off. I have heard some other sources claim the Merovingians were the hired muscle, sent in by the Venetian oligarchs to destabilise the area for conquest.

    There’s an excellent book by Alvise Zorzi — Venice, the Golden Age, 697 - 1797. An interesting claim made by Zorzi (a Venetian noble insider) is that the Venitian empire eventually fell due to Napoleons rise (...Or, did they just move their operation to the city of London and Washington DC?). What’s also interesting in this book is how much you realise the oligarchs were just as much a nuisance to most noble-minded Venetians, as they were to other countries. The Venetians went through elaborate lengths to elect their Doge, to ensure the Venetian king couldn’t shape policy by himself and gain the power to become a tyrant. Ultimately though, the oligarchs found a way through these elaborate methods and the Doge just became another source of profits for them, a spokesman to distract people’s attention while they continued their profiteering out of sight.

    One author to watch is Dr Ioanna Iordanou, she’s got a book out next year ‘Venice's Secret Service: Intelligence Organisation in the Renaissance’, which looks like it’ll have some revealing content on the Venetian Council of Ten, it’s origins and lineage.
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    Default Re: Banksters of Babylon, Merchants of Venice, and Elders of Zion

    I am not sure if we can really determine Merovech, or if he was a real person, but the dynasty seems pretty definitely rooted in his "son" Childeric, of whom, according to Wikipedia: "Among the greatest discoveries of lost objects was the 1653 accidental uncovering of Childeric I's tomb in the church of Saint Brice in Tournai. The grave objects included a golden bull's head and the famous golden insects (perhaps bees, cicadas, aphids, or flies) on which Napoleon modelled his coronation cloak."

    My guess is the Franks were a bit early for Venice to have been behind them. The Republic of Venice came to an end around 1814. Yes, it was notorious for having a "mouthpiece" Doge or Duke who could not interfere with the Council. This Council I would call more or less the Pillar of Wealth used later to establish the bank of Antwerp, then Brussels, Amsterdam, London. That's what I mean by wealth moving to an international/global scale, the original city of Venice no longer being needed to support it, and so I believe it surrendered without a fight. Although there had been a lot of fights prior to that.

    The French Revolution--fall of Venice all happened while the Jesuits were disbanded from 1773-1814, which was just because they had been kicked out of every country for interfering politically. One of the main differences in the method is that Jesuits wholeheartedly obey central authority, whereas the Venetians do not have one.

    Zorzi is dialectal for Giorgi, so perhaps the author of Venice--Golden Age is related to Francesco Giorgi, who comes up in the LaRouche literature as Zorzi.

    But while the Jesuits had no agency or office, many of them as individuals retained good jobs at universities and the like. They still had some influence, but, at least temporarily, were not a power, or "international finance" machine. So what would that have been? Bank of England (1694 and forward). Around 1776, I believe there was a bloc who understood this threat and wished to oppose it, constituted by Marie Antoinette (France), Maria Theresa (Austria), Catherine the Great (Russia), and the American colonies. Yes, that is to suggest that some Catholics and Hapsburgs were against the pest. I just don't think you can take a name like Hapsburg or even Rothschild and make a blanket statement that they all believe the same thing or all act in the same way. Nor is it to suggest those people were impeccable saints or always made the best decisions, but I think they became wise to what happened in England and did not want it to root in their soil.

    Consequently, you find the British Empire then giving them various cases of internal rot and wars. The U. S. particularly seems to have forgotten everything and given up on itself, and just became another one of their sock puppets. If the Federal Reserve is not a horrendous denial of the Constitution, and the victory of "international finance" over any type of resistance, I don't know what would be. The 14th Amendment was perhaps a slightly prior equivalent swindle, it mostly just changed slavery "a person is property" into corporatism "property is a person". Original American use of corporations was that they were limited to twenty year charter, were rarely renewed, and instead were frequently dissolved; also, they were mostly used for public works such as roads and canals. It definitely was not something you could run out of a post office box under a judge's protection like it is now.

    If you look at that, you can start to figure out the legal-ese language, for example what a "person" is, which may expose the swindle of "democracy", since the U. S. was formed to prevent democracy--a situation which allows any minority to be easily oppressed, mob rule. They confess their swindle every day, openly, by saying we are one and we support democracy world wide.

    If there is, so to speak, a headquarters, probably Bank of International Settlements, but is the U. S. basically trod under foot of Jesuits and British Fabians, yes, rather completely. Meanwhile, Russia has managed to dust itself off from a great amount of such foreign domination. That place is like the phoenix. One little tap on the U. S. and I think it will splinter into eight or ten pieces; its future looks negative, like it's already gone and no one's admitted it yet.

    I was wondering if anyone would ever say the Venetian people did not generally like their government either. In most cases, it seems to me the major threat is really from private individuals/businesses, and a government is the only thing that could possibly stop them.

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    Dan Gibson discusses the Nabateans, the Merchants without a home, no loyalties to any nation yet influential in all empires. Around the 15 minute mark he discusses how the Nabateans remained bonded as a cohesive entity despite being spread throughout the developed world. A yearly pilgrimage to Petra (or other sacred family burial places hidden throughout the desert) which gives me an impression of an early version of the Bilderberg meetings. Gibson points out that the Nabateans are mentioned in texts as early as Mesopotamian culture, and can be traced through history, still plying their same trades today. He mentions that after Petra fell out of fashion, they moved the heart of their operations to Alexandria, and then to Rome, taking on Latinised family names as they moved. Another strand in the Saturnalian cult thread worth paying attention to?

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    The related website says a bit about them and what stands out to me is they are depicted as counter rivals or outsiders to the Edomites.

    The Edomites overran Judea and it is largely in what I call the Edomite--Pharisee lineage that the abuse of Saturn takes place, redacted scriptures and altered religion and politics into a method of oppression still used today. Called on the page, "Idumaeans."

    He says the Nabateans then occupied Edom and there were ties, "Even after the Nabataeans replaced and absorbed the Edomites, ties between the Idumaeans and the Nabataeans continued, as is illustrated by the family of Herod the Great, whose father was an Idumaean and his mother a Nabataean."

    They did not ultimately support Herod.

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    You might really like the book mentioned in post 86, Shaberon. ‘Jesus the Phoenician’ by Karim El Koussa. The book is so rich in detail, that although Karim doesn’t mention it explicitly, my suspicion is that he writes as a spokesman of the Druze tradition.

    Part 3 of the book, chapter 7 (starting on page 153), is titled ‘The Cultural and Religious Entourage at the Time of Christ’. Immediately the chapter starts off with the origins of the Great White Brotherhood and The Babylonian Brotherhood, tracking both lineages through the their dynastic lines. The Babylonian through the Pharisee (pharsi=Persian) connections; and the White fraternity through the Pharaonic, Pythagorean line. He claims Jesus the Phoenician was a descendant of the Pythagorean tradition, and based on the richness of detail he shares, I can believe it.

    If you’ve ever read Uriels Machine, Karims book is like a follow on that gives insight into the culture and traditions of the Temple building ‘Watchers’ that Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas discuss with their research. The Enochian tradition that splintered from the original, pure, teaching to give rise to the Araonite priesthood (the Babylonian misuse of ancient wisdom for egoic power and carnal gain).

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    If it has an online format, that would be snazzy.

    There are a few basic formats of Gnosticism, which, I think off the top of my head, are Mosaic (Jewish), Sethian, and Mandean, which generally vary by which patriarchs or prophets they accept.

    The Nabatheans are close to Mandean in upholding the lineage of John the Baptist. Roughly put, he was a major figure in disciplic succession; Jesus himself was perhaps a bit more powerful, but with his time cut short, a lot of skullduggery taking place, subsequent generations of his followers really made a mess. The Nestorian branch has always at least been accepted in the East, for instance if you look at Mogao Cave, it was clearly a sort of debate center or meeting ground between Nestorians, Buddhists, and a couple other creeds. Similar to Alexandria. Taxila was another; Alexander the Great was totally blown away by seeing the place.

    I hold that Jesus was born Ebionite--Nasorean and trained Therapeutae, and that Pythagoras was related, him being the chief impulse of the system in Greece, which Plato inherited and Aristotle turned his back on it. I cannot say if Therapeutae is a descendant of Pythagoras, but a close cousin, definitely.

    I believe that is also correct to finger the Aaronite priesthood; initiates of the Mosaic line being Levites.

    Interestingly about the Nabatheans is that a great source of their wealth was Felix Arabia--Yemen--Saba. The Sabeans are considerably older than the Nabatheans appear to be; same thing as Sheba with the famous Queen. Nabatheans kept relatively few slaves compared to others. I'm not familiar with them as a distinct nation, but ok: they gained Edom when its former inhabitants became the Judeans. One of the main points to that Edomite takeover is that in terms of ritual purity, Judea was annihilated, and thus the same name got stuck on someone it didn't belong to.

    Perhaps more powerful than Jesus in his time was Apollonius of Tyana, whom, along with Simon Magus, considerable attempts have been made to erase or demonize. Byblos, a significant town in composition of the Bible, was used because it was already a center of literary distribution, but then plausibly it descended into a state of manufacturing scriptures according to requests.

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