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    Published 15th Jun 2018 by SIMEON HEIN.

    At the June 2018 meeting of the Society for Science Exploration/International Remote Viewing Assocation, Dr. Hal Putoff gave a lecture about the secret history of US government UFO research and his role in the recently disclosed AATIP program as director of science and technology research. He specifically looked into how UFO metamaterials work to give the craft such exotic, fantastic propulsion and stealth properties. In this lecture, he described such materials and how they create Blueshifts in the electromagnetic spectrum allowed "faster than light" travel.
    (You can order the DVD of Hal's lecture from the SSE or IRVA websites.)

    After the lecture, we visited Bigelow Aerospace to see their inflatable, modular crew capsules. Though it's been reported, by the New York Times and other sources, that UFO materials are held and studied at this facility, we weren't allowed to see them.

    All images in public domain or according to Fair Use Doctrine for public education.

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    Default Re: To The Stars Academy's Hal Puthoff about metamaterials, AATIP, Bob Bigelow, and more

    So it appears that the powers that be are now telling us that UFOs are REAL, and that they are investigating them.

    However, they're still NOT mentioning ETs. (That's still obviously TABOO).

    OK, that's a start (it's only taken 70 years to get that admission).

    It's understandable that they don't want to panic anybody,
    BUT surely the next question is "Who's operating them ?"
    Even assuming that some are remotely controlled, and some may even be sentient entities.

    This doesn't explain the ABDUCTIONs, MUTILATIONs, HYBRID CREATIONs,
    OR the little "Cosmic Skinheads" (to quote Derrel Sims' term for GREYs), MANTIDs, REPTILIANS, NORDICs, BIGFOOTs, Etc. now seen by MILLIONs of people.

    Important to note that here in England, NOBODY (apart from the Alternative community) knows anything about AATIP, TTSA, or any of this soft disclosure.
    If you ask anybody in the street anything about UFOs, they will still assume that you're NUTS and treat you accordingly.

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    Default Re: To The Stars Academy's Hal Puthoff about metamaterials, AATIP, Bob Bigelow, and more

    Here's a full transcript. Hal's presentation itself is behind a Vimeo paywall, which is quite a shame.
    (Does anyone have it downloaded? The video is at https://vimeo.com/ondemand/halputoff2018.)
    Too long to copy and paste here, but it's WELL worth reading carefully:
    Richard Dolan also gave a very detailed summary and analysis, for over 25 mins, citing its importance (and I'd agree), at the start of his 26 July livestream here: (3:58—29:40)

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    Default Re: To The Stars Academy's Hal Puthoff about metamaterials, AATIP, Bob Bigelow, and more

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's a full transcript. Hal's presentation itself is behind a Vimeo paywall, which is quite a shame.
    (Does anyone have it downloaded? The video is at https://vimeo.com/ondemand/halputoff2018.)
    Too long to copy and paste here, but it's WELL worth reading carefully:
    Actually, maybe it's not. (The text below starts with PRG's/Steve Bassett's summary, and then the transcript starts at the obvious line break.

    Dr. Hal Puthoff Address to the SSE/IRVA Conference, Las Vegas, 8 June 2018

    There has been another development in the unfolding initiative of the To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. Dr. Hal Puthoff rarely speaks publicly about his work on a range of exotic projects. June 8, 2018 in Las Vegas marked an exception to this policy when he spoke at a joint conference of the Society for Scientific Exploration (SSE) and the International Remote Viewing Association (IRVA). Puthoff’s background is quite extraordinary and is summarized on the TTS/AAS website as follows:
    • Dr. Harold E. Puthoff is the co-founder and Vice President of Science and Technology of TTS Academy. Since 1985, Dr. Puthoff has served as President and CEO of EarthTech International, Inc. (ETI), and Director of the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (IASA). He has published numerous papers on electron-beam devices, lasers and space propulsion and has patents issued in the laser, communications, and energy fields. Dr. Puthoff’s professional background spans more than five decades of research at General Electric, Sperry, the National Security Agency, Stanford University and SRI International. Dr. Puthoff regularly advises NASA , the Department of Defense and intelligence communities, corporations and foundations on leading-edge technologies and future technology trends. He earned his Ph.D. from Stanford University in 1967 and won a Who’s Who Lifetime Achievement in 2017 that recognizes individuals that have achieved greatness in their industry and have excelled in their field for at least 20 years.
    In his address to the SSE/IRVA conference Puthoff became the third member of the TTS/AAS team to publicly discuss the FLIR video released to and published by the New York Times on December 16, 2017. As with Christopher Mellon and Luis Elizondo, he made it quite clear the advanced aerospace object was not of human design without saying it was of extraterrestrial origin.

    This is in keeping with TTS/AAS’s strategy to advance the Disclosure process without breaking any non-disclosure agreements, releasing any classified documents or directly stating, let alone confirming the phenomena extraterrestrial in origin. This approach was likely a condition for receiving clearance – from whom we do not know – to proceed with the project.

    PRG has reviewed all the interviews of and statements by TTA/AAS team members, and this is the message PRG is hearing:

    We’re Not Saying it’s Extraterrestrial
    But It’s Extraterrestrial

    Some of the more notable statements from Dr. Puthoff’s address are highlighted in bold text.
    __________________________________________________ ________________________________

    BENGSTON (Dr. William Bengston, President of the Society for Scientific Exploration): This certificate says, “Tim Dinsdale Memorial Award recognizing significant contributions to the expansion of human understanding through the study of unexplained phenomena. To Harold Puthoff for the application of sound scientific principles and methodologies to the study of remote perception; quantum, zero-point fluctuations; and unidentified aerial objects, and for recognizing the potential usefulness of these often-shunned phenomena in the real world.” To Hal.

    PUTHOFF: Thank you, thank you. I am very honored to receive this award. I’ve known many of the previous recipients of the Dinsdale Award over the years, and they were all really, truly excellent researchers pushing the boundaries into the frontier areas of science. So to join their ranks I consider really quite a privilege.

    The three areas he named in giving me the award, quantum vacuum fluctuations – actually I still publish in that area in physics journals. The second area remote viewing, in fact it’s very serendipitous that I should receive this award for this particular meeting since we have this cosponsored event with the Society for Scientific Exploration on the one hand and IRVA, International Remote Viewing Association, on the other – I was a founding member of IRVA, so I’m really excited to see how people have picked up the ball and run with it in that area.

    The third area, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, I have not published anything in. Why? Because the program I was involved in, in the Pentagon and in the intelligence community has been Top Secret, behind-the-scenes and only recently has there been release of information about the program. So this is the first chance that I’ve had a chance to actually appear before the public and speak about details of the program and not go to jail.

    So I’m going to go along at a rapid clip; I’ve got a lot of information here. So here we go.

    The SSE is no stranger to the subject of UFOs. Unidentified Aerial Phenomena is just a new acronym for UFOs.

    Back a couple of decades ago Peter Sturrock – one of our founding members of SSE – arranged with (Laurance) Rockefeller to hold a weeklong workshop at the Rockefeller residence. We brought in the best of the UFO researchers, and then a panel of independent experts, and had a weeklong discussion of physical evidence related to UFO objects of which there’s a significant amount of data. Laurance Rockefeller hosted the whole thing. It was a wonderful meeting.

    Eventually after publishing in the SSE journal (“Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports,” Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 12, NO. 2, pp. 179-229), Peter Sturrock put together a book, The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence (Warner Books, New York, NY, 1999) and it still one of the best books you can find out there to take a look at what are the physical aspects of UFOs that researchers have uncovered.

    However, of course the government is also no stranger to the UFO phenomena. Anyone who follows the field would be familiar with Project Sign, Grudge and Blue Book, but in 1969 the Condon Committee shut it all down and said, really we don’t need to be involved in this area any more. We’re not learning anything. We’re not getting anywhere. It’s not clear this is a significant area. So for the average person on the street, that’s where it all kind of ended, at least serious government interest. In fact, that’s not true.

    The very memo that shut down Blue Book written by General Bolender had as part of its language, “Reports of UFOs which could affect national security would continue to be handled through the standard Air Force procedures designed for this purpose.”

    Nonetheless, as far as the public was concerned that was it. Even the Air Force public affairs office put out circulars all the time in response to questions saying, “We gave this up in 1969.” What, in fact, did occur was that there were programs going on behind the scenes anyway as required by the Bolender memo. Now most people did not know about these programs, they weren’t advertised, they weren’t responded to, FOIA requests usually went dry.

    But that all changed last December when the New York Times published a front-page story on how there was this program investigating this area – Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. (Helene Cooper, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal. “2 Airmen and an Object That ‘Accelerated Like Nothing I’ve Ever Seen’.” The New York Times, 16 December 2017, page A27.)

    It was deeply buried, but the New York Times had good sources and they came up with information about the program, and so there’s been a lot of publicity about it. Since the New York Times broke the story, The Washington Post, CNN. Fox News – it’s been picked up all over the place.

    One of the reasons why it’s attracted attention at this point is the quality of the sources going public. Ex-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is the one who initiated the program. Top-rated F-18 pilots who encountered Advanced Aerospace Vehicles at close range were permitted to come forward and tell their stories, which up till now they hadn’t because they didn’t want to lose their flight status by reporting what they had found, at least publicly.

    And a number of significant Department of Defense and intelligence community officials have come forward to talk about the reality of this phenomena and the fact that there were programs going on. The program was nicknamed Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). People have had trouble trying to get documents out of the Pentagon by saying they want all documents on AATIP, and they have a hard time because that wasn’t the actual name of the program. “Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program” is the actual name of the program. But AATIP was the nickname it went by.

    It began in June of 2007. The Defense Intelligence Agency was concerned about the fact that obvious observation had shown that Advanced Aerospace Vehicles – crafts, or drones of unknown origin, were flying all over the United States, over waters, in fact globally as was the case.

    So a Congressional budget was approved to address the issue behind the scenes. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid from Nevada was the one who was the initiator of the program, joined by Senator Inouye and Senator Stevens. These are the people who generally approve programs that were in the black, under high security, behind the scenes, and so they set up this program.

    Senator Reid has not walked this back since all the news came out. He’s been very forthright and has given a number of interviews. This particular statement sort of captures it all, “We don’t know the answers, but we have plenty of evidence to support the questions. This is about science and national security. If America doesn’t take the lead in answering these questions, others will.”

    There is a two-fold nature to the threat. First of all, you’ve got these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles flying around that we don’t know where they come from, who’s driving them, what the intent is – possibly off-world even. But the future threat, was actually as far as the Department of Defense went and the intelligence community, one of the greater concerns.

    What happens if potential adversaries achieve significant breakthroughs by getting hold of advanced technology either based on their study of the phenomena, or from sensor data, or from crash retrieved materials? That could provide a problem for the United States in the sense of threat. There’s reason to be concerned about that.

    This is a document in the program we dug up out of the Soviet Union (“Thread-3”). It’s a very thick document. It shows that the Soviet Union had a massive program also trying to get to the root of all of this. In this document a number of research institutes and military institutes are listed. Of course, they had the same concerns we did. Is there a threat from the phenomena or might the Americans make headway before us and that be a threat?

    Just to give you an idea of what’s being observed, which many people have seen because it’s been in the news a lot lately.

    Back in November of 2004, the Nimitz Carrier Group was out on patrol off of San Diego, and on several occasions an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle would descend rapidly from 60,000 feet to 50 feet in seconds, then hover, and then take off like a bullet. When it first happened and happened over a number of weeks actually, two F-18 pilots were vectored on to the site where they were being observed by the radars to investigate, and what they saw was what they called a “Tic-Tac craft” – solid white, smooth, no edges, about 46-feet in length, uniformly colored, no nacelles, pylons or wings.

    The F-18’s could not obtain lock with their radars because they were stealthy, but Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR) could pick them up to some degree based on their heat signatures. The Advanced Aerospace Vehicle appeared to demonstrate advanced acceleration, aerodynamic and propulsion capability beyond anything that we knew existed on the planet.

    I am going to play a FLIR video that many of you may have seen.
    [Video of UAP intercept begins.]
    “That is a [expletive deleted] drone, bro.”
    “There is a whole fleet of them, look on the ASA!”
    “My gosh!”
    “They are all going against the wind; the wind is 120 knots from the west. Look at that thing, dude!”
    “That’s not . . . I don’t understand. Look at that thing!”
    “It’s rotating.”
    [End of video.]
    Now you might ask yourself, what can you prove from a videotape? I mean, you can see videotapes all over the Internet and so on. But this was data fusion. They are gun-camera tapes. There are these videotapes from the pilots, voice recordings, data link recordings from Aegis and many other military platforms, expert witnesses. So, in fact, the data density – and this is what’s changed the field a lot – our detection capability has gotten so advanced that we’re losing our inability to see exactly what’s going on.

    The FLIR displays were recorded. There are detailed debriefs of the pilots. In that original New York Times article you can see a page-long debrief of Dave Fravor.
    Key Assessments:
    • The Advanced Aerospace Vehicle is no-known air vehicle in the inventory of the U.S. or foreign nation as far as we can tell.
    • Low-observable characteristics, they are stealthy.
    • They exhibit advanced aerodynamic performance that we can’t imagine how they do it.
    • Recognize that these are infrared tapes from the pilots, so if there was some kind of hot propulsion gasses coming out the back you would have seen it, but we don’t see that.
    • They had the advanced capability to remain stationary and then take off like a shot. Dave Fravor said it was like somebody had suddenly shot a bullet.
    So, how to respond to this? The Defense Intelligence Agency put out a Broad Area Announcement, in fact it was unclassified. They wanted to evaluate twelve potential threat areas with regard to these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles. There’s a list of them. Exactly what you think you’d want to know: lift, propulsion, signature reduction, human effects and so on.

    Now, it turned out that anyone, any aerospace corporation could apply, could send in a proposal. DIA chose Bigelow Aerospace as the contractor to address the threat. Now there’s been buzz on the Internet about, ok well, Senator Reid came from Nevada and Bigelow Aerospace is in Nevada, so wasn’t this some sort of sweetheart deal? In fact, that’s not the case. It was a Broad Area Announcement; anybody could go for it.

    Bigelow was actually a good choice. He’d spent a lot of his own money because he was interested in this area up to this point investigating the phenomena, and he had the best proposal. So he was tasked. He set up a special organization called Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies – we call it BAASS – to do all the things you’d expect a program like this to do. BAASS connected me at EarthTech International to collaborate as a subcontractor, and I agreed to do that.

    Okay, what did I address as a subcontractor? One of the critical issues there’s so much high-level security and compartmentalization in this subject area, and there’s a lot of it, it’s difficult for contractors to obtain expert opinions on advanced technologies because they would expose why they are interested.

    So, I acted as a surrogate. I was contracted to commission mostly unclassified whitepapers from experts around the globe about where their particular subject areas would be in (the year) 2050 as like a general survey of aerospace futures. I decided this would be the best way to get the best knowledge we had across many technologies without actually exposing why we wanted to know.

    So, I let out 38 contracts over a two-year period. I’ll show you what the studies were on. You can read them there: positron aerospace propulsion, IEC fusion as a compact energy source, warp drive, dark energy, extra dimensions, metallic glasses for aerospace use. Really cutting edge kinds of things.

    Here are some more of the papers that I commissioned: negative mass propulsion, antigravity for aerospace applications, programmable matter, invisibility cloaking – these are just the kind of things that we needed to have maximum technical input from the best people around the globe. And so, that’s what we did, that’s what I did.

    Now we could wait, we told these people they could publish their reports in physics journals and engineering journals, but of course the contractors didn’t want to wait for that, so the Defense Intelligence Agency bundled up these 38 papers and put them out as Defense Intelligence Reference Documents posted on a JWICS server that anyone in the government or contractors could get access to. By and large they have not been released to the public yet; a couple of them leaked out.

    So let me give you an example of, how this stuff helps people who are chasing these really difficult problems. I’m choosing one here: metamaterials for aerospace use. I’d love to talk about really fancy materials, but they’re classified. However, there’s a lot of materials that have been picked up or provided even in the public domain. I’m going to give an example because it shows exactly what the structure is for how to deal with this.

    This is an open source sample. It was sent anonymously to talk show host Art Bell. The fellow claimed to be in the military. He said that this sample was picked up in a crash retrieval, and so he sent it by email. So what does that mean? Chain of custody non-existent. Provenance questionable. Could be a hoax. Could be some slag off of some foundry floor or whatever. However, it was an unusual sample, so we decided to take a look at it.

    It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash.

    The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

    Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

    Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.

    Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size.

    But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

    But anyway, it’s amazing we’ve gone through this and this is the kind of structure we go through a lot. You get a material sample with unusual characteristics to be evaluated, the method of manufacture is difficult to assess or reproduce, the purpose of the function is not readily apparent – as with our sample here, and then as our own technical knowledge moves forward we finally see a possible purpose or function comes to light. That sequence is repeated over and over in this particular area.

    I’ll pick a second one here for the engineers or physicists in the crowd. Probably be more interesting – spacetime metric engineering. This happens to be the paper that I myself provided. One of the questions is: can the reported anomalous observables of these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles be accounted for on the basis of known physics?

    You hear people describing craft taking right angle turns at high speeds, other things with the hovering and rapid acceleration and so on, as if the craft didn’t have any inertial mass. Well, it turns out although Einstein’s general relativity is usually used in astrophysical applications and gravity studies and so on, you can look at it from an engineering standpoint.

    So, if you take an engineering approach to general relativity, what I just showed can be understood. If you could change the spacetime metric the way general relativity – I’m talking about textbook, not some fanciful physics – you could even get faster-than-light travel. Alcubierre warp drive as in Star Trek.

    Again, you might think that’s a fanciful kind of thing, but that paper was published in one of the top general relativity journals, Miguel Alcubierre, “The Warp Drive: Hyper-Fast Travel within General Relativity,” Classical and Quantum Gravity (11:L73-L77,1994). So, if you engineer spacetime metric, you can begin to line up observables with physics that we know and love even if we can’t reproduce it.

    What about the velocity of light constraint? People are always saying that. How could you have a wormhole that lets you go from one side of the universe to the other? Aren’t you beating the speed of light? What does the physicist and engineer mean by the speed of light? He means this little equation here where the speed of light is given by 1 over the square root of the permittivity times the permeability of the vacuum.

    So the point is if you reengineer those vacuum parameters, then you can make the effective speed of light higher in the engineered region. Those are the solutions in general relativity that are called wormholes, and again, it’s not science fiction. This is just right-off-the-shelf, standard text book general relativity applications.

    So, what that means is a reduced time interstellar travel is not as skeptics would say, “You can’t get from there to here.” Advanced ET civilizations now, or ourselves in the future are not fundamentally constrained by physical principals. The exotic physics for such can be addressed in engineering terms – some metric engineering as it were. Does this have any help? Again, by the way, this paper was also published as one of the Defense Intelligence Agency’s reference documents.

    And since we are permitted to publish in the open literature, I published that paper in a British interplanetary science journal, an engineering journal, so if you’re interested in looking at the details, you can learn as much as you want to know about metric engineering. (Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering, H. Puthoff (2010), Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, 63, 82-89.)

    That helped us understand some of the aspects, I mean you may have heard the phrase, “dense stars you get red-shift.” It turns out in this engineered technology you get so called “blue shift.” That is, frequencies are up-shifted to higher frequencies. So, for example in this room most of the radiation coming off our bodies, off the walls and so on is in fact in the infrared. But we see things in the visible range. What happens when you get into a volume of space where the vacuum has been engineered in the way I’ve been discussing? It turns out you get a blue shift.

    So, in fact the infrared that you don’t ordinarily see can get blue shifted up into the visible so it’s not surprising that all these craft should be so luminous. Now the downside from all of this is the fact that visible light, which doesn’t have any particularly harmful effects, gets blue shifted up into the ultraviolet, so if you get too close to a landed craft, you might get a sunburn, or off into the soft X-ray regions so there’s a chance of radiation poisoning. If you run across one of these sitting on the ground and it’s powered up, I recommend you don’t rush up.

    Well, that helped us to understand. We as part of this program looked at some cases that were really good from Brazil. In 1977, 78, it was like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. A thousand pages of documents all done by the Brazilian Air Force investigative team, 500 photographs, 15 hours of motion film, a lot of medical injuries. This is a list of the different kinds of medical injuries that occurred when people encountered these craft at close range, and it has some overlap with cases that we’ve investigated during the program, of injuries occurring.

    Despite the progress in the AATIP program, let’s face it, the topic is inherently anomalous, right? Therefore, despite the reality of the observations and all the people that we interact with in the intelligence community and the Pentagon agree – the data is there, it is real. Nonetheless the topic doesn’t fit smoothly into known profiles of the government programs for sure.

    And by virtue of national security implications it’s a high compartmentalizational topic, therefore a slow pace of cumulative progress and integration. We call ’em “stovepipes.” You have a lot of people with lots of detailed information about some particular aspect, but they don’t talk each other even if it is sitting at the next desk.

    And let’s face it, advocacy of this issue in government circles is not viewed as career enhancing in part because, despite the weirdness of the subject, if you don’t make a lot of progress, you know, it doesn’t look good on your resume that you’re moving up the line.

    So, because of that, there’s a forward story.

    Many of us involved in the program decided that there should be an outreach program in the public sector.

    So this is the forward story. The goal was to establish a broad-based, high-quality scientific community-of-interest in the public sector concerning these Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and other related leading-edge topics. And so we got together and formed a company called, To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. It was cofounded by entrepreneur Tom DeLonge – I’ll talk about him in a minute – senior intelligence officers from the Department of Defense and CIA and distinguished research scientists.

    We all banded together to form this academy. It was set up as a public benefit corporation so the public can invest and therefore it’s owned by the public. So this is something new. Whatever comes out of any of the research or any of the releases of information is actually going to be owned by the public. It is not going to disappear into a black hole. A very transparent structure, if you go to the website you can see everything from the financial structure to the activities, and we do have a web-based community-of-interest where things get posted.

    For example, the F-18 FLIR tape I showed, we now have three of them up there and probably more to come.

    Alright, who are the principals of this organization? Tom DeLonge, Blink 182 rock star. Frankly, I’d never heard of Blink 182, but my son told me, “Oh yeah, we know about Blink 182.” But anyway, in addition to being the rock star that he is, he’s also a director and producer, puts out books and music and film and so on, and he’s had a lifelong interest in the UFO area.

    So, he started talking with various people and he was kind of the I guess you could say the action-oriented person, who said “Why don’t you set up something. Why don’t we make this more available to the public?” and he got to a number of us, and so we all began to band together. Lou Elizondo, who was in fact the Department of Defense’s, the Pentagon’s AATIP program director resigned from the Pentagon and joined us.

    Chris Mellon, 20-year career, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Minority Staff Director of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, he joined us. We got Jim Semivan, 25-year career and CIA’s Director of Operation. He was the real James Bond kind of guy. Steve Justice just retired as program director for the billion-dollar programs at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works. He joined us.

    And then, I agreed to be on the Board. So, I joined them. In addition to my science and engineering background, I’ve had a lot of activity in classified areas so it was a natural fit for me interacting with all these people.

    We also put together a policy and scientific advisory panel of the best people we could find. Chris Mellon agreed to be the Chair. Dr. Colm Kelleher, he was actually the deputy administrator at Bigelow Aerospace to run the AATIP program out of the Pentagon. Dr. Gary Nolan, top genetics professor at Stanford University. Dr. Kahn, 30 year career with the CIA counter biological weapons program. Dr. Rapp, professor of military and emergency medicine, Uniform Services University. Dr. Gilpin, consultant on academic biomedical research and research law.

    So, we put together a team as panelists to keep us on the straight and narrow of really top people who have wonderful backgrounds and really want to see scientific work be done in this area.

    So, the goals for the To the Stars Academy are to,
    • Promote the concept that such forefront topics as UFOs, SETI, consciousness studies, even telepathy and psychokinesis should not be considered taboo for serious scientific consideration. So, it’s a perfect match to the SSE because that’s our goal in the SSE as well.
    • And of course, big ideas that generate funding to underwrite significant research in these areas
    • Develop user friendly data bases so information that is generated can be accessed by anyone
    • Provide positive support for collaborative government, aerospace industry, and academic efforts to accomplish all of the above.
    So, we want to act as the glue in the public sector and create entertainment properties, books and documentaries and so on so whatever is learned can be delivered out to the public.

    The structure of the organization has a science structure, an aerospace structure, and an entertainment division. What are the activities of this organization to date?

    Actually we were responsible for legitimizing the topic in the mainstream press. That story that came out in The New York Times and so on, which then got picked up by the Washington Post, CNN, Fox News, was based on agreed-upon interviews with those of us I’ve just gone through a list of. And given the quality of sources coming out from the shadows, for example Ex-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, top F-18 pilots, significant Department of Defense and intelligence community officials, the bar has been raised on the legitimization of this topic in the public arena. We think that’s an accomplished goal to date.

    And via the community-of-interest postings on the website, we now have three high quality F-18 video tapes of unidentified aerial phenomena encounters. They’ve been previously languishing in the Pentagon servers, nobody doing that much with them. These are still being generated. One of the tapes is from 2016 off the East Coast of the United States. There are a lot more tapes. Hopefully we’ll get a lot more of them posted.

    We don’t just produce positive results or what people would think would be supportive results. One of our scientists, science advisers is Garry Nolan from Stanford University, who’s a genetics expert. There had been claims that some small humanoid skeleton found in Chile – the so called Atacama Humanoid – might be ET. We could see why somebody might think that if you see the structure.

    But anyway, Nolan and people from other universities put together a complete genetics thing and did the entire genome and found in fact no unfortunately this is not evidence of ET, it’s a deformed human. That’s up on the website if you to read the paper. It was published in one of the top genetics journals – very well peer-reviewed. (Bhattacharya S, Li J, Sockell A, Kan MJ, Bava FA, Chen SC, Ávila-Arcos MC, Ji X, Smith E, Asadi NB, Lachman RS, Lam HYK, Bustamante CD, Butte AJ, Nolan GP. “Whole-genome sequencing of Atacama skeleton shows novel mutations linked with dysplasia.” Genome Research 2018 Apr;28(4):423-431.)

    Meetings are being set up with people from other countries because other countries, who also have materials, don’t necessarily want to give them to the U.S. Government because they disappear into a black hole and they never learn anything. But given our commitment as a public benefit corporation, that’s not gonna happen with us. They are now talking to us and we are collaborating on obtaining materials from foreign countries.

    We are negotiating with media outlets to get all this out in the public in the form of documentaries or TV shows, whatever. So basically that’s the back story, the forward story and I’m glad to answer any questions. I’ll answer any I can.

    QUESTIONER: Your good friend John Alexander published a book, and I know I’ll have a chance to ask him this too. Why was it so hard for him to find who is doing the research, who was holding files on UFOs? In his book he said “Everybody thought someone else was doing it” and everybody said in all the departments “it’s not me, it’s somebody else that is doing it.”

    PUTHOFF: It was somebody else doing it.
    (Laughter)

    PUTHOFF: If materials are being held in Special Access Programs, casual conversation even with high-level people who know your interest and they’re interested, too, won’t necessarily reveal the facts.

    QUESTIONER: I think Luis Elizondo even said his own boss wasn’t quite sure what he was doing. Is that true?

    PUTHOFF: That’s true.

    BUCHMAN: My name is Joe Buchman, I was one of the organizers of the 2013 Citizen’s Hearing which was also an attempt to gather the best evidence on ETs or UFOs. I don’t know if you are aware of those hearings, if you are, I’d be interested in your take on it. But my second question though would be about the other tapes. You said there are a lot of other tapes. Are those classified? If not, or even if they are, can you characterize them in any way or tell us more about them?

    PUTHOFF: They’re not a lot different from this. Some of them were classified because of where they were taken. But as far as the content of what we are interested from the technical standpoint, they’re not that different. Provided you strike out the location and so on, then there’s a chance of getting them declassified and we are working on that.

    BUCHMAN: Specifically regarding the Citizen Hearing, is there any of the data presented there that you found particularly useful?

    Answer: Well, you have to pick and choose among the data. I’m familiar with the Citizen Hearing and so on and certainly the depositions by the individuals who were in the launch towers for missiles . . .

    BUCHMAN: Bob Salas.

    PUTHOFF: Bob Salas for example – that’s all really good data. And the FAA administrator who came forward (John Callahan) – all good data.

    BUCHMAN: Thank you.

    QUESTIONER: Thanks very much for your talk. I wanted to bring up something as to the nature of the release. I guess the figure was 22 million dollars and then the program was closed? It may be a leap, but I think it’s common knowledge among UFO researchers that the spending in actuality is in the billions if not more. So some people in the UFO research community have raised the question, is this a duck on the pond, to state a figure as low as 22 million and then state that the program no longer exists. I was hoping you might have some comments on the great deal of concern that has arisen from these statements.

    PUTHOFF: That’s a fair concern. This 22 million dollar program was one particular program. That does not say that there were not other programs with other funding levels. It isn’t like, suddenly there was this one program that did not last long and did not have that much money and it shut down.

    Interest is continuing. Negotiations are continuing. The programs are being looked at. A lot is going on. I and my colleagues spend a lot of time in Washington talking to committees that are looking at this from many different angles. So the general view that, “Oh, it was just one program that came forward and didn’t provide much of value and then it got cancelled . . .”. That’s not really the case.

    Also those figures are associated with the figures that went out to contractors. But that does not mean that people within the system aren’t still working on it.

    QUESTIONER: For all of us inventors working in our garages, on metric engineering devices, is there going to be a clearinghouse for people to trade discoveries? Just the thing about the frequency shift (to blue). We can all be looking for line shifts with lasers to see if we can generate generate micro effects. Something like that would be incredibly valuable. How can that come out?”

    PUTHOFF: We have a Maverick Inventor Program at EarthTech International, my organization, and also at the To The Stars Academy is putting together a research organization. So, if you are doing some metric engineering in your lab and you’ve got some laser shifting a frequency, bring them on; we will look at them.

    [END]
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    Thanks for that Bill !

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    Okay, here's the video. (My thanks to the friend who just sent it over. You know who you are. )

    This is really very useful, as it contains many slides which are NOT incorporated in the transcript. Why it was ever behind a paywall, heaven knows. It might not have been Hal's call.

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    Thanks Bill for putting more than I did in my Dolan - George Knapp link

    I think this is important in the sense that the guy has real professional credentials , real academic credentials and real security clearances that we have not seen with David Wilcock's crew of Giai want a be gravy train followers and talkers whose credentials and history is dubious at most.

    Yes he's an insider but at least he has proof he's an insider not like the yo yo's David pulls out of his buttocks.

    DeLonge crew is suspect of being one of Lenin's '' best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” people but at least his effort is getting so called mainstream talking about UFOs. I thought this article written just lately by a NASA research scientist and University of Albany physics professor was showing a new trend

    Are we alone? The question is worthy of serious scientific study
    June 28, 2018





    http://theconversation.com/are-we-al...ic-study-98843


    Yes he mentions the tic tac Nemitz incident but even Dolan and him are not talking about All the nukes this carrier task force carried including nuclear power reactors, bombs and missiles that attract UFOs like nectar.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The synopsis of Puthoff's 2010 JBIS paper, showing at 26:05 of this 45 minute video speaks of wormholes, vacuum engineering, and engineering of the spacetime metric.

    I find the lengths to which the public disclosure of this physics will go to avoid allowing practical understanding of the physics of the underlying aether to be amazing ... sad.

    When Puthoff calls out one of the Rockefellers and the US Senator from Nevada Harry Reid for supporting this work ... that is further evidence to me that "Disclosure" is driven in part by a goal to impress the public with our interstellar abilities while keeping from the public the practical mathematics, engineering, and physics that enable these abilities.

    I trust the Rockefellers and Harry Reid no further than I could throw an elephant.

    Puthoff's disclosure is (I am confident) deeply controlled, and shows us far more of how "they" intend to continue to deceive us, to maintain "their" role of high priesthood of this science and technology, than it actually tells us, in workable terms, of that science or technology.

    The wool continues to be pulled over our eyes, and Puthoff is showing off a bit more of the design, of the pretty pattern, woven into that wool sack that will continue to blind us.
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    So...no "free energy" yet?!

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    So...no "free energy" yet?!
    Oh - plenty of free energy - just not free for you or me .

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    Default Re: To The Stars Academy's Hal Puthoff about metamaterials, AATIP, Bob Bigelow, and more

    Allthough enlightening, as said by many, it's the slow controlled way the information is being released that seems suspicious - that and what we really want and need to know is either heavily redacted or mearly alluded to.

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    Default Re: To The Stars Academy's Hal Puthoff about metamaterials, AATIP, Bob Bigelow, and more

    Funding and backing: http://www.openminds.tv/rockefeller-ufo-211/5252


    Quote The synopsis of Puthoff's 2010 JBIS paper, showing at 26:05 of this 45 minute video speaks of wormholes, vacuum engineering, and engineering of the spacetime metric.

    I find the lengths to which the public disclosure of this physics will go to avoid allowing practical understanding of the physics of the underlying aether to be amazing ... sad.

    [..]

    Puthoff's disclosure is (I am confident) deeply controlled, and shows us far more of how "they" intend to continue to deceive us, to maintain "their" role of high priesthood of this science and technology, than it actually tells us, in workable terms, of that science or technology.

    [..]
    Paul: "Puthoff's disclosure is (I am confident) deeply controlled, and shows us far more of how "they" intend to continue to deceive us, to maintain "their" role of high priesthood of this science and technology, than it actually tells us, in workable terms, of that science or technology."

    I agree with you - Puthoff's 'disclosure' is a bit wanky.. The gig with the magnesium bismuth.. Knowing the way the colors of the elements work, magnesium would appear as a bright strip and bismuth as a dark "shiny" section.. (I've extensively "played with magnesium and bismuth")

    How could the "head" get it backwards like that or is it once again planned leading down a useless path, or is it a probe to see who catches the wrongness of his comment?

    I do recall analysis of "debris" saying magnesium/bismuth/aluminum from early very early reports published way back. I don't recall where I read it - if it is all 3, he left out aluminum as one of the key elements.. (extremely pure aluminum impossible to be made on earth if I recall the report's scientist's observations)..

    Quote Puthoff:
    "The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations.

    So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers.

    Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

    "Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond."
    Bismuth

    Magnesium


    Aluminum (pure)


    If I recall my chemistry, bismuth bonds to aluminum, and magnesium bonds to aluminum, creating a junction of bismuth-aluminum-alloy and aluminum-magnesium alloy - - the truth that Puthoff left out was the aluminum which if I recall WAS the binder.. AND if I recall further, this was placed on a substrate of barium titanate (an extremely strong, and very piezoelectric generator..). I had tried to get into this during the Philadelphia Experiment, annotated edition thread a while back but found myself loosing interest to talk about it, or describe in detail (what probably got Jessup killed..). Funny seeing/hearing Puthoff diverting from describing prior captured vehicle analysis. Like what is the motive force, or gravity force, or actual warp mechanism of time dilation. Just skirted over it..

    I suppose his Maverick backyard scientist plea is similar to Greer's come on down and join us and spill ur guts what you found out in ur researches.. Probing probing probing down the river..

    (PS - thanks for making the Rockefeller correction, striking out "David")
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    The wool continues to be pulled over our eyes, and Puthoff is showing off a bit more of the design, of the pretty pattern, woven into that wool sack that will continue to blind us.
    I do like this analogy, that wormholes, spacetime engineering, along with quantum mechanics, general relativity and much of the rest of the modern day physics that is visible to the public are (at one level) nothing but the designs, the pretty patterns, woven into the wool fabric that is forever being pulled over our eyes.

    PhD Physicists are one distinguished rank of the high priests of one of the branches of the "religions" of our time, purveyors of one of the opiates of the "scientifically educated" masses.

    When I was a student of mathematics and (to a lessor degree) physics in my youth, the completeness and (more famous) incompleteness results of Kurt Gödel made sense to me. I read his "On Formally Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems" paper, in a couple of hours, as a good club chess player might play through one of the finest chess games of a grand master, smiling at its genius and elegance.

    I further recall that I would be quite annoyed at the time when my fellow students in various philosophy, soft science, or literature classes would completely misapply Gödel's Incompleteness result, or, in a similar fashion, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle from physics. These fellow students would find some broad meaning on the nature of life and the universe in these results of Gödel or Heisenberg, where I found only simple, narrowly applicable, elegant and (in hind sight) obvious insights.

    Narrowly applicable -- that was key, limiting, property of such results to which my fellow students seemed frustratingly oblivious.

    Little did I notice at the time -- that I was witnessing one of the most important processes of human civilization.

    I was witnessing the profane, the simple, the elegant, the obvious (in some quite limited domain) be transformed into the sacred text, symbol or pattern, such as could be broadly used, sometimes for hundreds or thousands of years, to adorn the wool blankets that are pulled over our eyes, to keep the masses blinded to the true underlying layering and ordering of our reality.

    Thus are the religions of the masses formed, not just in theology, but in all manner of academic, political, entertainment and other disciplines and variations.

    I was witnessing something of important, even profound, significance, and noticing nothing more than my irritation at the systemic abuse of some simple math or physics result. Little did I realize at the time ... that I was observing how the essential memes of human civilization are formed.

    ===

    Circling back to the topic here, I think we have another example of that here. The ordinary reality of the physics of, and of the widespread reach of intelligent life in, our universe, are being turned into "big ideas" that we ordinary mortals cannot hope to master as a common skill. Hence we ordinary mortals must rely on the "high priests" of our time to explain to us what it means for us.

    Thus we remain serfs on the planet we call home.

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    Lightbulb Re: To The Stars Academy's Hal Puthoff about metamaterials, AATIP, Bob Bigelow, and more

    Very Well Said Paul.
    • I'd summarize it as "find a subject that holds interest (mystery)"
    • Create a tale and then put it out there, attract attention (and investors, and educators).
    • Establish the ivory tower "credibility" so that the masses and others in academia won't question
    • Speak it enough times until it is accepted as "fact"

    Then lead the masses where-ever one wants. Soon enough, the spun yarn becomes a rug put up on a wall (a phD diploma) where one can point to the rug and say "SEE, I can repeat what I have been told is "the Reality" " and once that happens, ego can step in and once again, the yarn is passed on generation to generation.

    Puthoff happens to be a digger also for trying to find out out "spooky effects" at distance can actually happen. Where he briefly plugged his "paranormal" psychic interests... He's digging and in my opinion following a script to see who is questioning, and who is a "believer" willing to spread the yarn far and wide (network supporter). I've never bought his mindset of "how it all works" as far as remote viewing, or actually how "free energy" would actually work.. Nor do I buy what he is pushing as "current data" from observed "aerial vehicles".

    One can go back and listen to Linda Howes' observation of the bismuth/magnesium alloys which don't have anything to do with Puthoff.. Almost makes me feel there is some plagiarism going on with Puthoff, but I can't prove that.. Just one should give credit where credit is due, I would say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqu8zHTMt_g


    (Linda Moulton Howe in April of 1996 began her first investigation of metal. She mentions having allowed Puthoff access to such, and that ZINC is one of the materials... She points out exactly what Puthoff leaves out. Interesting? Why would he do that I wonder?)

    Linda ALSO points out the BISMUTH is the darker color (Black she says)... So Puthoff really has some explaining to do if one could hold his feet to the fire..

    Linda was the official researcher working with Art Bell - he referred anything that came in of a technical content to Linda.

    Linda had the material which Puthoff lead one to believe was "his discovery" (see Post 4) - this is Puthoff's quote: (we will compare this with what LINDA HOWE had published earlier, and her reference that she had sent this sample to Puthoff who sent it back to her saying he couldn't do anything with it):

    Quote So let me give you an example of, how this stuff helps people who are chasing these really difficult problems. I’m choosing one here: metamaterials for aerospace use. I’d love to talk about really fancy materials, but they’re classified. However, there’s a lot of materials that have been picked up or provided even in the public domain. I’m going to give an example because it shows exactly what the structure is for how to deal with this.

    This is an open source sample. It was sent anonymously to talk show host Art Bell. The fellow claimed to be in the military. He said that this sample was picked up in a crash retrieval, and so he sent it by email. So what does that mean? Chain of custody non-existent. Provenance questionable. Could be a hoax. Could be some slag off of some foundry floor or whatever. However, it was an unusual sample, so we decided to take a look at it.

    It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash.

    The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

    Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

    Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.

    Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size.

    But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

    But anyway, it’s amazing we’ve gone through this and this is the kind of structure we go through a lot. You get a material sample with unusual characteristics to be evaluated, the method of manufacture is difficult to assess or reproduce, the purpose of the function is not readily apparent – as with our sample here, and then as our own technical knowledge moves forward we finally see a possible purpose or function comes to light. That sequence is repeated over and over in this particular area.
    Now let's look at Linda Howe's version of the "story" some months EARLIER than Puthoff's presentation:

    Quote Dr. Puthoff was aware of my effortsin 1996 to 1998 to investigate the layered Bi/Mg-Zn metal allegedly pulled off the bottom of a wedge-shaped UFO west of Sierra Blanca mountain in New Mexico back in 1947. By January 7, 1999, we had exchanged a letter of agreement about specific testing goals he could try on a piece of the layered Bi/Mg-Zn at his Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin, Texas. That day I sent him a small sample with a summary of our agreed test goals:

    1) Would it turn into a “lifting body” (anti-gravity) inside a strong electrostatic field augmented by a 7 Ha signal?

    2) Do the bismuth and magnesium-zinc micron layers show intelligent molecular level design in x-ray crystallography?

    3) Will the layered Bi/Mg-Zn respond to various dynamic magnetic fields?

    4) Does the layered metal have super-conducting properties?

    5) Can any laboratory reproduce precisely the 1 to 4 microns of pure bismuth in alternating layers with 100 to 200 microns of 97.6% magnesium in alloy with 2.4% zinc?

    Dr. Puthoff returned the small Bi/Mg-Zn sample to me after a couple of months in 1999 without any definitive results to the above questions.
    The reference to Linda Howe's material which is NOT in the PUBLIC DOMAIN (she owns the copyright to the material), is https://www.earthfiles.com/2018/05/1...-shaped-ufo-2/

    Linda Howe explains that SHE contacted various researchers (long before reaching out to Puthoff with the sample), and she says this in page 4 of her Earthfiles report:

    Quote I contacted the Director of Material Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, Massachusetts; the National Science Foundation; metallurgists at Sandia National Laboratory in Albuquerque, New Mexico; and aerospace and exotic metals manufacturers.

    But no one had any knowledge of such a layered material.

    "I also contacted dozens of people in the scientific and industrial community to see if I could find anyone who had worked with bismuth and magnesium/zinc layered together in the alternating and wavy micron thicknesses."

    and

    "One exotic metals manufacturer in New Jersey that I first called in 1996 said bluntly: “No one layers bismuth and magnesium. It can’t be done! The layers won’t bond with each other.”
    In other words it appears clearly that Puthoff plagiarized Linda's words pretty much verbatum and did NOT give her credit nor did he say the "metamaterial" as he called it later, came from Linda Howe. Bell was the "mail-stop", the public terminal who received public interaction. Linda did the researching needed to get the sample analyzed. She still had some questions that she had hoped that Puthoff might provide to her. Her intent was to publish those results. Possibly Puthoff running a "for-profit" company was more interested in the commercial aspects? Military uses? who knows for sure ?

    I've asked Linda to comment on Puthoff's "presentation" to the SSE/IRVA Conference, Las Vegas, 8 June 2018 (transcript post 4). I was in a 1:1 meeting with Linda in Colorado out by the old Stapleton Airport in the early 1980's re: San Luis Valley, Cattle mutilations. I found her to be honest, highly ethical and a great sincere person. I trust her documentation efforts on the material that Puthoff seems to be presenting was "his discovery" if I interpret his words (couple quotes above, from post 4).

    Apparently Puthoff got his lines wrong - literally from what was taken from Linda's report which referenced the analysis that SHE had done on the material back in the late 1990's :



    She states that the scientist who did the front surface illumination used reverse image techniques to invert the light/dark areas for clarity. Such is frequently done in metals, surface analysis, ore analysis to be able to discern differences easily. What is said is this:

    Quote 50x Magnification of Bi/Mg-Zn layered metal in Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM) set to a “back-scattering” configuration so that heavier elements show up brighter.

    That’s why the thin bismuth layers appear white.
    ref: https://www.earthfiles.com/2018/05/1...-shaped-ufo-2/

    Quote The Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM) was set in a “back-scattering” configuration so that heavier elements show up brighter.

    Therefore, the dark bismuth appears as thin white lines and the much lighter magnesium/zinc shows as darker shades of grey.

    The professor measured the layers and found that the thin, wavy lines of bismuth varied from one to four microns. A human blood cell is about 5 microns in diameter. The magnesium/zinc varied from one hundred to two hundred microns about the diameter of a human hair (100 microns).
    Again Puthoff cites what appears to be "his research" in how he presented to the SSE/IRVA Conference, using Linda's words from her report. No honest scientist, nor researcher would in my opinion neglect to cite where his material that he is presenting came from. That bugs me that Puthoff would do this to Linda Howe.

    The bismuth layers in this sample of the thin material layers are NOT white in reality, but Puthoff didn't catch that OR deliberately spoke an untruth. I find it incredulous that he would not credit Linda, nor reference HER reports and analysis documents accurately.



    (above, the BISMUTH, DARK SIDE spectal analysis of the material. abbreviations: Zn zinc, Mg magnesium, Bi bismuth)
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    ''Linda ALSO points out the BISMUTH is the darker color (Black she says)... So Puthoff really has some explaining to do if one could hold his feet to the fire..''


    I got fire right here




    Bismuth
    Atomic Weight 208.9804
    Density 9.78 g/cm3
    Melting Point 271.3 °C
    Boiling Point 1564 °C





    Pepto-Bismol.
    Upset stomach medicine whose active ingredient is (bismuth subsalicylate) is 57% by weight bismuth.
    Source: Walmart
    Contributor: Theodore Gray
    Acquired: 24 March, 2009
    Text Updated: 24 March, 2009
    Price: $4
    Size: 6"
    Purity: 57%







    Native bismuth from New Mexico.
    Naturally occurring bismuth.
    Source: eBay seller kbv1
    Contributor: Theodore Gray
    Acquired: 24 February, 2007
    Text Updated: 24 February, 2007
    Price: $16
    Size: 1"
    Purity: 90%





    I know my rocks and elements and Linda is wrong about the color of this element
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    I know my ELEMENTS and I have used bismuth powder with neutrons. It is DARK compared to magnesium and aluminum. So we have to disagree.

    Rocks and elements (refined) are TWO different things.

    LINDA talked about a refined piece of metal, a complex metal. Machined and engineered with extreme precision. AND thin-film at that. 26 layers at that.

    DO YOU have any clue what a thin film can do to light? If it seems black or light or reflective?

    Do you understand what a thin-film deposition is? Optical properties of how it LOOKS can be way different than the chemical make-up.

    I believe LINDA who is a qualified investigator/researcher who had this material sample WAY before she gave some of it to Puthoff to look at for his "analysis".

    She is not only accurate she tells way more apparently than the powers that be want her to let loose with IMHO of course.

    (PEPTO BISMOL - as the describer of the color of Bismuth refined films??

    Micro-film deposition as she describes is way different than rocks and pepto-bismol.

    No clue then what Bismuth Subsalicylate is eh?

    Peptobismol is a complex made with artificial colors, Red 22 and Red 28: Artificial colors are created in a lab by chemists. Unfortunately, they’re known to be cancerous - --- It has NO PURE BISMUTH IN IT https://melmagazine.com/whats-in-thi...l-38eafb08fcbf) And the dyes give it the colors not bismuth.

    Fascinating derail attempt - for what reason may I ask?



    The POINT of this is PUTHOFF is taking liberties it seems, not giving credit to who gave him his special piece of metal (Linda Howe it seems). I also will question Puthoff as far as his technical veracity. He comes across to me as a digger trying to get technology (his Maverick group solicitation), similar to Greer. The movie is as accurate as Paul has described it. I agree with Paul about what it's about. That is on topic.
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    Disclaimer! I do NOT know a thing about Bismuth. So I looked it up.

    According to Wiki, it's 'silvery-white'.
    [Bismuth] is a brittle metal with a silvery white color when freshly produced, but surface oxidation can give it a pink tinge.
    (And yes, that may still be darker than magnesium and aluminum.)


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    Bismuth Chunk (5 pounds | 99.99+% Pure)




    Bismuth Shot (1 pound | 99.99+% Pure)



    I was kidding about the peto bismo..... I thought it was amusing
    Bismuth is quite common in my county in NM and is still mined here
    So we agree to disagree ..... the color was wrong and stated my observation as an amatur geologist and rock hound


    Link to where you can buy it
    https://www.metalshipper.com/bismuth-shot.html


    Fascinating derail attempt - for what reason may I ask?

    I'm not derailing science and the truth ....and neither should you.. not am I erasing what I wrote .



    I like Linda's work and actually I liked Art Bell who was given this material first. I find it fascinating that its finally coming out and yes he should not only give Linda credit........ but Art Bell

    Better than that bull**** from Giai and the Corey crowd.
    I was just pointing out what the element looks like and its not dark
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    It seems to me one still arguing about a particular detail that Linda Howe reported on the bismuth/magnesium-zinc material sample has no clue what a thin-film layer is nor how light properties can appear when a thin film is illuminated or if the source image has had light/dark layers inverted due to the illumination technique used in the analysis of the material discussed in post 4 above.. or one has not read the post talking about who had the material and wants to just derail the focus of the thread (which appears to be what Puthoff claims should be revealed to the Public, ie blueshift, metamaterial, alleged alien body sample).

    Focusing on one of Puthoff's claims about "his" 'metamaterial' as he calls it: Linda Howe said the thin film (micron thickness) bismuth layer of this material sent to her and Bell was BLACK - and that describes also what it does to light. (Apparently at that very thin thickness it serves as an energy trap). Paul mentioned Puthoff is sorely lacking any working explanation for the masses, such as understanding free-energy, time/space matrix, or how a thing such as a craft actually can fly.

    DO remember Linda Howe sent that thin-film layered material to Puthoff who kept it for a while and he then said back to Linda that he was not able to do anything with it, to perform research on it, nor come to any conclusions/answers for the questions that Linda said needed to be answered about the material.

    Told her one thing then told the "crowd" something else it seems..

    Linda found that one researcher she had contacted was able to get the material to physically move with high voltage excitation compared to a similar "reference control sample" which did not move under the testing.

    Linda Howe appears to fill in the gaps about what that metal-substance was doing with the craft, and what was exciting it (her video talks about that).

    Puthoff I feel leads one into never-never-land, talks a good sounding "line" but did not present a "paper-worthy" presentation to the conference; (ie., What materials, the stuff he apparently plagiarized from Linda's report, or actual crashed vehicle engines, hulls, controls? - his dialog is non-descript, sounds like something to get listeners (and maybe funding), saying TV and radio and media he will present to, what will he present?)

    Quote Meetings are being set up with people from other countries because other countries, who also have materials, don’t necessarily want to give them to the U.S. Government because they disappear into a black hole and they never learn anything. But given our commitment as a public benefit corporation, that’s not gonna happen with us. They are now talking to us and we are collaborating on obtaining materials from foreign countries.

    We are negotiating with media outlets to get all this out in the public in the form of documentaries or TV shows, whatever. So basically that’s the back story, the forward story
    Whereas Linda points us as sincerely and as accurately as she can into a direction that can provide data which could eventually be engineered from - she presents detailed video's reports, articles. She described the bismuth/magnesium-zinc material in depth in the post 14 that has been updated with side by side dialogues between Linda and Puthoff. One can see Puthoff has not referenced her work, her research efforts. Something Puthoff could not do it seems.

    As an aside: It is curious to me why it seems the derailing is 'needed' to put aside the observations that Linda Howe has made and that apparently "Puthoff appears to claim as his" as I interpret what I read in the 'transcript' shown in post 4 above. I don't have to ask the member challenging Linda Howe if there is any personal bias, or do they have or had any association/contact with Puthoff, Society for Science Exploration/International Remote Viewing Association or that you have an axe to grind or in any other way support those groups, or Greer, or Patty Greer?

    On this Forum Linda Howe is quite respected and many many presentations made by Linda are referenced and presented on this Forum. Puthoff has nothing that actually presents anything that I have found useful as far as being able to 'build' from, in free energy, telepathy, anti-gravity..

    I personally find it incredulous that one is finding misinterpreting Linda Howe as acceptable. I provided Linda's report link in my post 14 above. I assume it is a mis-understanding or simply not reading Linda's material and comparing it against what Putthoff seems to claim as "his".

    (re the "crashed aerial vehicle": the "material" claimed to be from the bottom of a crashed vehicle that happened a bit west of Sierra Blanca mountain in New Mexico back in 1947 - NOTE this material is NOT from the historical Roswell crash site (Mac Brazel's ranch) that had garnered attention and focus which has lead many UFO researchers down a very complex path..)

    re: metamaterial - that Puthoff calls Linda Howe's sample a metamaterial also is incredulous or possibly that he is using "fancy sounding buzz words" to his audience. This material that Linda Howe sent to him for analysis is hardly a meta-material. The definition of the metamaterial is this:

    From Stanford Engineering School (a very credible school and group) - https://engineering.stanford.edu/mag...o-we-need-them

    Quote At its most basic level, we are bringing the idea of an antenna down to the nanoscale.
    (Note the material that Linda submitted to Puthoff for analysis consisted of 26 layers of 200-400 microns thick layers of magnesium-zinc separated by 4 micron layers of bismuth

    (--- NANO ranges - they are 3-4 magnitudes SMALLER than MICRO ranges

    (--- NANO ranges are typically 1-100 nanometers in size. 1000 nanometers equals 1 micron..

    ( Linda's material had layers 200,000 nanometers on the larger layers, down to 4000 nanometers on the thinnest layer.

    (HARDLY a metamaterial! A metamaterial consists of components <1000 nanometers sizes for its parts. Therefore, a nano-structured metamaterial does NOT look like Linda's metal-material ! This is highly significant listening to Puthoff's "dialog" as to "accuracy" or 'truth' verses fabrication it seems to me.)
    When you think of a conventional lens, you think of glass – the material, right? The glass in your camera or your eyeglasses bends light in very predictable ways based on the intrinsic material response of glass. A lens made of a metamaterial will respond to light in ways that are no longer solely based on the properties of the material itself, but largely on the design and layout of these optical antennas.

    So the concept of “meta” comes from our ability to engineer artificial materials, consisting of a composite of nanoscale structures, which can respond to light in entirely new ways. It’s kind of neat to see an example in the case of a metal like gold. We usually think of gold as a bulk material that is reflective, yellowish and shiny.

    Even when you go down to the nanoscale, gold is still gold. But by specifying the geometry of nanoscale gold, we can change the color of gold from yellow to green or red, and it can support many other types of optical properties that we don’t associate with bulk gold. Those are properties engineers can use to make new devices.
    Puthoff apparently can't get the concept of what Linda allowed him to attempt to research (a thin film metal material) and he called it a "meta-material". I find that incredulous.



    reference: thin films can appear black : https://www.learnpick.in/questions/d...ack-in-reflect

    As to Art Bell being given the "materials" (plural), he was not 'the' technical researcher able to do the years of work which Linda Howe as the key researcher performed. He served as the talk show host, and a virtual "mailbox" to which correspondence could be directed. Linda did the physical investigative work; she reported as much as she could on Dreamland, the show for Art and the listening audience.


    (above - Linda Moulton Howe, investigative reporter for Art Bell’s Dreamland and Coast to Coast AM radio broadcasts from 1992 to 2004)

    Pointing out the discrepancies in what Puthoff has presented along a few key points I believe is a good catch and quite on-topic.
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    AATIP and FOIA requests

    By Richard Dolan | April 29, 2018 13 Comments
    I just received a message from friend and fellow researcher Paul Dean from Australia. If you don’t know, Paul is one of the world’s best UFO document researchers, as expert in filing FOIA requests as anyone out there. Moreover, he is a virtual encyclopedia when it comes to the arcane world of military acronyms, nomenclature, and especially the labyrinthian maze of the U.S. national security bureaucracy. This is important if you want to file a FOIA request to the right agency, using the right language, and with an expectation that you will get a response.

    Paul and I communicate fairly regularly. Today he told me that the famous UFO program of the Pentagon, recently written about in the New York Times and elsewhere, actually has gone under a different name. Publically, we have been told that the name of the program was the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). In reality, Paul has learned from an impeccable source that the original contractual name for it was the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program (AAWSAP).

    This is very important. Reason: you may have heard that all FOIA requests relating to AATIP have come up empty. The total number of requests by now might well be in the hundreds, but it’s certainly quite a lot. People have been wondering, why can’t this program be found via FOIA requests when the ultra-establishment New York Times itself outed it? The word is that there definitely was such a program — actually multiple programs. So why was AATIP invisible?

    This may well be the answer. It’s under a different name.

    Getting FOIA documentation on AAWSAP is critical to learning more about the details of the program, since no one seems to be talking. Not Elizondo, not Tom DeLonge, not Robert Bigelow, not Harry Reid, not anyone. There are many unanswered questions about this program and it’s becoming frustrating for UFO researchers to feel like they are flailing in the wind with no new tangible information.

    Paul has filed some fresh FOIA requests to agencies that he believes are appropriate and good bets to get some answers. You can find his blog here.

    By the way, I chatted with Paul about the significance of the name. “Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program.” This might seem to indicate that the objects caught on video were not actual UFOs, but weapons systems developed by the U.S. military. Paul doesn’t seem to think so, and I myself would have my doubts as well. The few qualified individuals I have spoken to about the released videos (and the longer versions which have not been shown to the public) have deemed the objects to be unexplainable as far as they can see.

    So we are still dealing with a great mystery. Not only the objects themselves and who is responsible for them, but penetrating the layers of secrecy and bureaucracy that surround the information we are seeking.

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