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    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

    The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.
    Not to worry! If it turns out all the speculation is incorrect and JFK Jr. is dead, he won’t be any more dead than he was in 1999. I just think the notion that he’s still alive is a really interesting idea—one that I truly hope is true.

    I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.

    Also, his grandfather was known as “Black Jack” Bouvier because of his swarthy complexion.

    See: http://www.newenglandhistoricalsocie...ck-first-lady/

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    Whether the rumours are true or whether it turns out to be the hoax of the century, my gut instinct tells me that it is worthy of my attention as a researcher. That’s good enough for me.
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    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

    The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.
    Dang - there's always someone in the crowd who wants to rain a few drops of reality onto our delightful fantasies .
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    For those who have been following MegAnon & "Q", we know there is a "Plan". We also know the "plan" started well before Trump even announced he was running, in fact it goes way back to before 9-11. It goes back to when JFK Jnr would have still been alive.

    What if...?

    JFK Jnr was a person of means & well connected. Is it possible that all those years ago, the people behind "the plan" - we'll call them the Whitehats; the good guys in the military & intelligence forces who are protecting & backing Trump now, decided with JFK Jnr's cooperation (might have even been his idea), to fake JFK's death in a plane accident, eventually to surface in the future to play all of this out? They just had to wait for the right timing & candidate to come along. Trump.

    Kennedy's history as a politician (and pilot) reveal some interesting pointers;

    Had he "lived", the evidence suggests he was about to expose who killed his father, JFK. It's also likely he would have pursued a career in politics and perhaps even run for President himself. (And he probably would have been assassinated, like his father before him).

    So, the "plan" was born, & changed all that. This way, with the vast resources of the Whitehats, JFK Jnr could accomplish much more. Together, they could expose & topple the entire global swamp. It would take years to accomplish. It would have to be done covertly, in the background and nothing left to chance.

    Part of that plan, was for JFK Jnr to fake his own death along with his wife & Lauren. He could then dedicate the next few years to making the "plan" work in the background, together with the Whitehats, pooling their knowledge, gathering & fitting all the pieces together.

    As technology changed over the years & with the global advent & popularity of the internet & smartphones, it was actually making their job easier.

    Now, I said there were caveats to all this right at the beginning of the topic being raised about JFK Jnr faking his death, and to pull it off, it would need some "extraordinary resources" - the resources & cooperation of the Whitehats to do it.

    Here are some more of those caveats:

    The plane crash itself isn't really a biggie to pull off. A slight change of route, all three bale out over the mainland, safely picked up by the Whitehats & spirited away with new identities, plastic surgery, a "protective custody" of sorts. The plane's autopilot locked to a specific set of waypoints along the way with radio transmissions supposedly coming from the plane but actually coming from the ground (I haven't yet been able to find any definitive radar tracks of the plane's actual course, speeds enroute etc - just the last few minutes leading up to the crash!). Remotely hack the autopilot - which we know can & could be done, even then - & dive the now empty plane at full throttle into the ocean. We have it do some carefully planned gyrations beforehand to make it "look like" Kennedy was lost & experiencing "spatial disorientation").

    Meanwhile, in the months leading up to this, the Kennedy group, with the help of Whitehats, had meticulously built a narrative for witnesses, friends, and most importantly, the fakestream media, that Kennedy was inexperienced, (despite the glaring fact he'd flown the route numerous times - was he "practising/rehearsing"?), that the plane was a "hotrod" (it wasn't), marriage problems, broken ankle (& having his instructor swerve the plane taxiing in an earlier incident lalala... you get the picture? All a plausible & believable "story". (Feign left & duck & roll to the right).

    Well, with those kind of "hypothetical helpers" (the Whitehats), how difficult would it be to fudge those radar tracks, the few radio transmissions & even the accident report itself?

    But what of the three bodies that were located with the wreckage? If they weren't the Kennedy group, who were they?

    If you're familiar with the crash report & events which unfolded after the crash, it took hours to find the plane, way longer than it should have. Easy, put some already dead & mangled virtually unidentifiable cadavers in there with divers before the unsuspecting rescue teams show up? It's been done before! Which would mean the pathologists & surviving family members etc, were "in on it" too. (We all know there's nothing new or impossible here. It was done with JFK's coverup too).

    Here's a few other little pointers and you'll need to refer to the NTSB report here:

    https://www.ntsb.gov/about/employmen...99MA178&akey=1

    Virtually none of the right hand side of the fuselage was found - very strange. The right hand front passenger seat, not found (the one next to the pilot). The two bodies of the women, still strapped to their seats were found outside the plane. The pilot, still strapped to his seat inside the plane.

    Although a small part of the roof attached to the main support of the left rear passenger door was found (see my earlier post & illustrations of the plane), there's no indication that the door itself was found. There was also mention of major fuselage compression around this area. Evidence that the door had come off - or been removed - before the plane crashed? (Without the door being latched, you have a "weak" area which is easily compressed under impact, a bit like cutting the roof off your car; the roof is an integral part of the car's overall crash resistance. Without it, the car would just fold in half at impact).

    There are a whole lot more other unusual aspects about this for those who look. It has all the makings of a first class cover up. A couple of really good videos out there, too. (If you look)!.

    Like I said, "improbable, but not impossible".
    Thanks for this post, KiwiElf!

    Yes, JFK Jr. likely had connections with people in the military. His dad was in the Navy and then, President. He was surrounded by security people as a child. His extended family would have also had these types of contacts.

    By all accounts, he was investigating his dad’s assassination and also thinking of running for a Senate seat in New York. We know who got this seat after his death.

    My guess is that someone got wind of a plot to kill him and went to him.

    The first priority would be to stage the death and get him and Carolyn to safety.

    I agree that the military would have the know-how to stage an event like this and to fudge the details. I don’t think autopies were done; they were cremated immediately and their ashes were spread at sea. I read somewhere that some of the paperwork was deliberately destroyed to “spare the family,” but I haven’t done any research on this.

    I’m wondering if there would be a way to pull some kind of switcheroo on the tarmac? That would be easier than jumping out of a plane. Again, I haven’t researched this and wasn’t there, but I’m wondering if people saw them walk to the plane and thought they saw them board and take off, but that they were somehow whisked away and a military pilot took his place in the cockpit? Just speculation on my part.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they went overseas initially. At some point, I think they’d want to come back to the U.S.A. I’m also guessing that they would want their children to be born in the U.S.A. Is that important if they want to run for office someday?

    There’s lots to think about!
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    Quote Posted by mgray (here)
    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

    The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.
    I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.
    With his acting instincts, financial resources, life in the public limelight since birth, and many years to refine the role, he would be able to far more than most of us to "look the part" of whatever role he chose to play any given day.
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    Yes. My thoughts, too.

    Or two planes? One an identical replica of Kennedy's; Kennedy flies the cloned aircraft to another airfield entirely, they all disembark without any drama. Another pilot (s), possibly military Navy or highly skilled flies the real JFK plane down the Rhode island coast & bales out enroute, then it's remotely crashed. Transponders can easily be turned off while a second aircraft tucks in close.

    What if the delayed flight was actually all part of the plan? (Again, adds to the story of "get-there-itis" - how convenient). The darkness would cover it. There are any number of private and small strips where Kennedy could safely land. (I'm thinking probably military tho)

    Or as you say; a simple switcheroo on the tarmac, possibly with body doubles. It's really not that difficult to do.
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    Or two planes? One an identical replica of Kennedy's; Kennedy flies the cloned aircraft to another airfield entirely, they all disembark without any drama. Another pilot (s), possibly military Navy or highly skilled flies the real JFK plane down the Rhode island coast & bales out enroute, then it's remotely crashed. Transponders can easily be turned off while a second aircraft tucks in close.

    What if the delayed flight was actually all part of the plan? (Again, adds to the story of "get-there-itis" - how convenient). The darkness would cover it. There are any number of private and small strips where Kennedy could safely land. (I'm thinking probably military tho)
    Oh, I hadn’t thought of two planes, but that would make a lot of sense—the most sense, really. I do think they would have had needed military help to pull it off.

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    Quote Posted by Chanie (here)
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    Or two planes? One an identical replica of Kennedy's; Kennedy flies the cloned aircraft to another airfield entirely, they all disembark without any drama. Another pilot (s), possibly military Navy or highly skilled flies the real JFK plane down the Rhode island coast & bales out enroute, then it's remotely crashed. Transponders can easily be turned off while a second aircraft tucks in close.

    What if the delayed flight was actually all part of the plan? (Again, adds to the story of "get-there-itis" - how convenient). The darkness would cover it. There are any number of private and small strips where Kennedy could safely land. (I'm thinking probably military tho)
    Oh, I hadn’t thought of two planes, but that would make a lot of sense—the most sense, really. I do think they would have had needed military help to pull it off.
    Oh Drats... I'll have to change my plot. Far less dramatic. The fake bodies (cadavers) are loaded into the real Kennedy plane before hand; the substitute pilot flies from the right front seat, and bales. (He could easily remove the latch pins from the right front pilot's door or blow it off, OR similar scenario as previous; climb into the back passenger compartment (there's a big gap between the two front & middle seats; it can be configured as a seven seater, three across the middle row), & exit through the left rear side door). And then, as above. No Navy divers needed!

    Yes, it would need some specialised (military?) help to do it. But again, not all that difficult. Money talks!
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    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but if that man is JFK, Jr. then he spent the last 17 years being driven hard and put away wet as the saying goes.

    The facial features suggest to me SE European or Middle Eastern. Far cry from northern Europe background of the Kennedy's.
    I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.
    With his acting instincts, financial resources, life in the public limelight since birth, and many years to refine the role, he would be able to far more than most of us to "look the part" of whatever role he chose to play any given day.
    Last word on this from me. A death certificate in his name really precludes him from accessing this wealth he was entitled to.
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    Last word on this from me. A death certificate in his name really precludes him from accessing this wealth he was entitled to.
    You can still have the last word if you want it. 🙂

    I’m assuming he would have squirreled money away offshore and have had the financial connections to do this. In an era prior to the Internet, this would have been harder to trace. Or if the money went to his sister Caroline and her kids, she might have just given the money back to him. I’m sure there would be ways to do this.

    The harder part would be faking the death so it was believable and then, not being recognized.

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    Well, let me help in bringing this off-topic subject to a close....

    So please, give me a break, if you think this man has any resemblance to JFK jr....
    The man's name is Vincent Fusca, according to this link that takes you over to a Reddit page.



    Saccone rallies with miners in Waynesburg

    Vince Fusca is working for the Rick Saccone campaign.





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    CAPTION: Vincent Fusca of Pittsburgh, PA demonstrates outside the White House to show support for President Donald Trump on June 3, 2017 in Washington, D.C. President Trump recently withdrew the United States from the Paris Climate Accord in June 03, 2017.
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    A death certificate in his name really precludes him from accessing this wealth he was entitled to.
    ... from accessing this wealth ... in his own name ... by the ordinary legal inheritance processes.

    But if sufficient wealth remained in the hands of various legal corporations and entities, that were controlled by family and friends, who chose to see to it that he continued to have power and privilege, then he need not be thrown out on the street, a homeless bum.

    Elsewhere I've read that the very wealth often own little or nothing themselves, in their own name, not even the clothes on their back. Rather the wealth is held in the name of various corporations and legal entities.

    The very wealthy do not organize their affairs the way you or I do, or so I've read.
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    Last word on this from me.
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    You can still have the last word if you want it. 🙂
    Indeed, he can.

    We shall soon see if mgray is more disciplined than most who make such claims, to have said their last word on a topic.

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    How does it help us, this new rabbit hole of jfk, jr? How does it help Q for us to be down this hole after he says plainly when asked about it that 'there is only Q'.
    Q says they are in danger every minute of every day to be assassinated. Who is it that wants the assasinations? He's always reminding us to Focus.
    It would be so curious to see a list of the surnames that own the mega-industries of the western world. Why are we not allowed to know the names of the board of directors of the federal reserve? Is it just for security or would the surnames tell The Story of 'hidden in plain sight'?

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    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    How does it help us, this new rabbit hole of jfk, jr? How does it help Q...
    That is why I wanted to create a separate thread for this discussion. I didn’t want to clog up the Q thread with posts relating to JFK Jr. But it is something I want to research and talk about and clearly, there are some other people who are interested in it as well. I think it should be on its own thread.

    I do follow and read everything relating to Q and other subjects, but the JFK Jr. idea is the one that has my attention at the moment—that I choose to focus on.

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    Well, let me help in bringing this off-topic subject to a close....
    I started the conversation as a new thread and then, it got moved here. I agree that it makes it difficult for people to quickly access Q information. I don’t agree with your conclusions about the Vincent Fusca man.

    I do follow and read everything about Q, but I would like to explore the JFK Jr. story in more depth and will ask the moderators to consider moving the related posts back to its own thread.

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    Well, let me help in bringing this off-topic subject to a close....
    I started the conversation as a new thread and then, it got moved here. I agree that it makes it difficult for people to quickly access Q information. I don’t agree with your conclusions about the Vincent Fusca man.

    I do follow and read everything about Q, but I would like to explore the JFK Jr. story in more depth and will ask the moderators to consider moving the related posts back to its own thread.
    Explore away. Knock yourself out. Another thread would be good.
    If you really need to go that far...

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    Default Re: The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)

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    Not to worry! If it turns out all the speculation is incorrect and JFK Jr. is dead, he won’t be any more dead than he was in 1999. I just think the notion that he’s still alive is a really interesting idea—one that I truly hope is true.

    I suspect he would clean up really well—that a haircut and shave etc. would work wonders. JFK Jr. was one of the most photographed people in the world. He’d have to make some drastic changes to his appearance to avoid being recognized.

    Also, his grandfather was known as “Black Jack” Bouvier because of his swarthy complexion.

    See: http://www.newenglandhistoricalsocie...ck-first-lady/

    I worked as a professional researcher for twenty years and once had a private detective/client tell me that I could easily go into that line of work. And the one thing I know from that experience is that the difference between a good researcher and a great one is gut instinct—being able to make those intuitive leaps in understanding.

    Whether the rumours are true or whether it turns out to be the hoax of the century, my gut instinct tells me that it is worthy of my attention as a researcher. That’s good enough for me.

    Agreed. So, you have investigative skills. I keep feeling like the sister-in-law that was also on board could be a clue. She had a twin sister and someone suggested it would be easy for the two to act as one, and therefor the one supposedly killed in the crash could visit the parents without any alarms going off. Is there some way to research the travels of the twin sister?

    Also, what about JFK, jr's sister Caroline? would she know? I was a little taken back when Caroline came out in favor of Obama since right from the beginning he raised alarms for me. Many were calling him the black JFK. I believe Caroline even said she saw Obama as carrying on her father's torch. Obama appointed her as ambassador to Japan. Was she fooled or trying to gain trust to get info? I'm thinking the former, but . . . .! Would her brother have trusted her to be in on the plot?!?


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    Quote With his acting instincts, financial resources, life in the public limelight since birth, and many years to refine the role, he would be able to far more than most of us to "look the part" of whatever role he chose to play any given day.

    Also Agreed: And let's not forget, he had/has real skin in the game of cleaning out the CIA & making America great again. Many research books into JFK's assassination point to the CIA's involvement via the Dulles Bros. So junior has good reason to out the negative in that organization. They took away the father he barely knew (only 3years old when it happened) which greatly altered his family life and upbringing.
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    Default Re: The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)

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    I started the conversation as a new thread and then, it got moved here.
    It was I who merged this JFK Jr conversation in with this Q thread. There was already a brief mention of the JFK Jr topic here, so it seemed to fit with that.

    Little did I realize how much more Chanie and others would contribute to the JFK Jr topic.

    Yes, it is well worth its own separate thread now. After a cup or two of coffee, I will attend to the matter of splitting it off as a separate thread.
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    Default Re: Is JFK Jr Still Alive?

    As I explain in more detail in the back dated Opening Post #1, above, of this thread, the above 37 posts (Post #2 through Post #38) were split off from the Q thread.

    May a fruitful and interesting discussion of this topic continue, in whatever posts may follow below.
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    Default Re: Is JFK Jr Still Alive?

    This is an older tweet (July 12, 2018) by intheMatrix, an anon who has been reporting on Q probably since it all started. The tweet includes a short video comparing the voices of JFK Jr. and the narrator of The Plan To Save The World video. There are some similarities, but a filter or some other effect must have been applied to the narrator's voice.

    The tweet copy (link below will bring you to the video):

    Interesting voice comparison. The maker of the Viral Q- Plan to save the world and JFK Jr?

    https://twitter.com/inthematrix322/s...76850354171904

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