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    Chanie, thanks for all the great observations.


    Take a look at JFK,jr guys nose around 11:48, it's more obvious when he turns sideways, but it photographs bright white - different from the rest of his face. Could this mean some sort of fake nose/make up? Also, to me, in earlier frames his nose looks somewhat different than at previous rallies.
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    Quote Posted by Chanie (here)
    I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. Iíve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I donít recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.
    A couple of times (I haven't checked all of them) that he adjusted his glasses, it was right after he had looked down. I got the sense that the glasses didn't hold their position when he looked down.

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    P.S. -- After looking at more times he adjusted his glasses, he does it even when he has not just looked down.
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    I guess the main observation here is about the ill-fitting glasses. Iíve worn glasses all my life and have occasionally had ones that were loose, but I donít recall ever having to adjust them so frequently.
    A couple of times (I haven't checked all of them) that he adjusted his glasses, it was right after he had looked down. I got the sense that the glasses didn't hold their position when he looked down.

    But . . . see my post above (#81) if he had a fake nose . . . .added to ill-fitting glasses.
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    But . . . see my post above (#81) if he had a fake nose . . . .added to ill-fitting glasses.
    Yes - now that I look at more of his glass adjustments - I too am suspecting a fake nose combined with fake glasses. Thanks.
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    Among other things, I expected (hoped) that Turiya's posts #30 and #36 on this thread would have put an end to the JFK, Jr. speculation. Even if he is alive, which I doubt, this guy is not JFK, Jr.

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    Thanks, Satori... But, as it appears, logical, rational & well-grounded thinking is running in short supply.
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    From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
    My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.
    I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon")
    Thank you Kiwi. A so-called 'truth bomb' has everything to do with having factual information/evidence to support the claim. Whereas, a 'theory' can live in the minds of many that want to 'believe' in the tooth fairy long after the body has disintegrated into being the excrement of earthworms (yes - I'm calling it total WS! ... along with the rest of your examples of notable 'walking dead' theoretical beliefs.)
    LOL

    Well, for the record, (with the exception of Elvis), I do believe they were all murdered including JFK Jnr; that's as far as my "conspiracy theory" beliefs go on the ahhh,... topic(s) . (And I think "R-Anon" is an imposter - perhaps a useful one by drawing attention to it). But, for the sake of the "What if?", I was trying to be objective, (and will continue to do so) primarily with factual information on Kennedy's airplane/flight that provided a counter argument/spin to what the fakestream media reported.

    (I did say it was highly improbable,... but not impossible).

    I don't "know". (Does anyone? Really? ) .
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    Quote Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
    Chanie, thanks for all the great observations.


    Take a look at JFK,jr guys nose around 11:48, it's more obvious when he turns sideways, but it photographs bright white - different from the rest of his face. Could this mean some sort of fake nose/make up? Also, to me, in earlier frames his nose looks somewhat different than at previous rallies.
    I looked at the footage and can see what you mean. I canít tell if itís the lighting or not, but itís pretty obvious that the man is dressing up as some kind of character or is in disguise. Compare his look to the other people in the crowd.

    On another note, have you noticed how much the little girl in the red hat looks like Johnís sister Carolineís girls when they were youngóRose and Tatiana?

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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    From where I sit, since 'R anon' was making a false claim that s/he was Q, then through deductive reasoning, one can then reason that 'R anon's' claim that JFK jr is still alive is also a false claim.
    My current best guess is that R was fake, but that R knowingly dropped the truth bomb that JFK Jr was still alive. For now, Q doesn't want to touch the matter of JFK Jr with a ten foot pole, and by (correctly) observing that R was not a genuine authorized replacement for himself, Q distanced himself a bit further from this JFK Jr matter.
    I agree Paul (sorry Turiya! ) - the theory that JFK Jnr is alive (along with Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers... and Elvis... etc!) has been around a lot longer than "Q"... (or "R Anon")
    Thank you Kiwi. A so-called 'truth bomb' has everything to do with having factual information/evidence to support the claim. Whereas, a 'theory' can live in the minds of many that want to 'believe' in the tooth fairy long after the body has disintegrated into being the excrement of earthworms (yes - I'm calling it total WS! ... along with the rest of your examples of notable 'walking dead' theoretical beliefs.)
    LOL

    Well, for the record, (with the exception of Elvis), I do believe they were all murdered including JFK Jnr; that's as far as my "conspiracy theory" beliefs go on the ahhh,... topic(s) . (And I think "R-Anon" is an imposter - perhaps a useful one by drawing attention to it). But, for the sake of the "What if?", I was trying to be objective, (and will continue to do so) primarily with factual information on Kennedy's airplane/flight that provided a counter argument/spin to what the fakestream media reported.

    (I did say it was highly improbable,... but not impossible).

    I don't "know". (Does anyone? Really? ) .
    Thatís my approach as well, KiwiElf. I may come to the conclusion that there is no evidence to substantiate the rumour or that my theory is completely wrong, but I wonít do this until I have done the research.

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    I was reading this article about JFK Jrís 1996 wedding and noticed that Carolynís sister Lisa as well as her brother-in-law Michael Roman attended.
    See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.2b5f587ef6c5

    This next article indicates that Lisa and Michael read scriptures at the wedding.
    See: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.740239

    This means that if youíre trying to track down family, you might need to look for the name Lisa Roman rather than Bessette. Keep in mind that it was twenty-two years ago. People get divorced. Her name could have changed again.

    Then, I happened to read this article about how there was a Michael Roman working for Donald Trump. I believe he may have left this year? As I mentioned earlier, I follow the broad strokes of American politics, but not the fine details so I was taken aback when I read this.
    See: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-roman-403138

    Could Lisaís husband be working for Trump?

    The answer is no, I donít think so. Due to some other research Iím working on, I think they are two different men, but itís a coincidence isnít it?

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    Liz Crokin has tweeted about an article on this subject.
    See: https://mobile.twitter.com/LizCrokin...92927888117760
    Hereís the article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-...ome-its-leader

    Liz believes the rumour is true and says she started talking about it months ago, but having read the article, I could see where the rumour might have been planted in order to discredit the Q movement.

    However, this doesnít explain why this JFK Jr guy and his extended family were given the best seats in the house at the PA rally. Also, why hasnít he been brought forward to quickly squash the rumour? Itís odd.

    Iím going to stick to good old-fashioned research. Itís not as glamorous as posting on Twitter or YouTube, but if you put in the time, sometimes you hit the jackpot in terms of answers.

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    Quote Posted by Chanie (here)
    I was reading this article about JFK Jrís 1996 wedding and noticed that Carolynís sister Lisa as well as her brother-in-law Michael Roman attended.
    See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.2b5f587ef6c5

    This next article indicates that Lisa and Michael read scriptures at the wedding.
    See: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.740239

    This means that if youíre trying to track down family, you might need to look for the name Lisa Roman rather than Bessette. Keep in mind that it was twenty-two years ago. People get divorced. Her name could have changed again.

    Then, I happened to read this article about how there was a Michael Roman working for Donald Trump. I believe he may have left this year? As I mentioned earlier, I follow the broad strokes of American politics, but not the fine details so I was taken aback when I read this.
    See: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-roman-403138

    Could Lisaís husband be working for Trump?

    The answer is no, I donít think so. Due to some other research Iím working on, I think they are two different men, but itís a coincidence isnít it?
    Funny. I had that sort of "coincidence" happen to me yesterday. I was going through Trump's recent executive orders and found a "William Cooper" nominated by Trump to be General Counsel of the Department of Energy. (Announcement is here.) It was just a week or so ago that I posted on the Q thread about what a shocker it would be that the late William Cooper (conspiracy theorists/author of Behold a Pale Horse) is on the Q team. Sorry if it's a little off-topic, but I just wanted to share that synchronicity.
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    Quote Posted by Noelle (here)
    Funny. I had that sort of "coincidence" happen to me yesterday. I was going through Trump's recent executive orders and found a "William Cooper" nominated by Trump to be General Counsel of the Department of Energy. (Announcement is here.) It was just a week or so ago that I posted on the Q thread on what a shocker it would be that the late William Cooper (conspiracy theorists/author of Behold a Pale Horse) is on the Q team. Sorry if it's a little off-topic, but I just wanted to share that synchronicity.
    Youíre absolutely right about the synchronicity thing, Noelle. It seems to play an important role in research.

    Years ago, I would have spotted that Roman-Trump thing and taken off down that wrong path only to discover later that Iíd wasted a lot of time on the wrong bit of information. Now, I just make note of it and move on.

    I once had an interesting bit of synchronicity happen to me. Someone contacted me with a research request, but gave me only the vaguest of details. I truly didnít know where to begin. So, I just got up and walked over to a bookshelf in a place that held literally thousands upon thousands of records; took a random book off the shelf; opened it up to a random page and there was the information. Once I had that information, I was able to do a deeper search.

    I truly think our higher selves and/or guides work with us when it comes to this sort of thing.

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    I'm not that good a computer technician, so hope this pictures comes up.

    Note: Sorry couldn't post the picture - go to:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=lisa...sEXZccZeiC9nM:

    But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-roman-403138
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    Quote Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
    I'm not that good a computer technician, so hope this pictures comes up.

    Note: Sorry couldn't post the picture - go to:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=lisa...sEXZccZeiC9nM:

    But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-roman-403138
    Thanks, Ba-ba-Ra. The first link doesnít bring up a specific photo for me so itís hard to make a comparison, but Iíll tuck that in the back of my mind and re-visit it if necessary. At the moment, Iím looking at some other research that would suggest theyíre two different guys.

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    But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-roman-403138
    According to the text below the picture, the main person pictured in that article is White House counsel Don McGahn, Roman's boss in the Whitehouse, not Michael (Mike) Roman.

    This article shows the names of some 16 people in the Whitehouse who have ties to Koch. It shows the images of 15 of these 16. The image for Michael Roman is blanked out. The article is: White House in Chaos: Koch Brothers In Position for the Next Phase.

    If I were Chanie, I might take a second glance at the other evidence I had that these were not the same Michael Roman's .

    P.S. -- This page has several pictures of these people, from 1997, but the people are not named: https://rememberingcbk.wordpress.com...ssibly-carole/
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    I think Carolynís sister Lisa is living in Michigan and is, according to one source, ďnow single.Ē I knew that the Mike Roman who worked for Trump was married to another woman so I didnít feel it could be the same man. Now that I know Lisaís single again, itís possible the one in Trumpís office is her ex-husband. So far, there doesnít seem to be a lot of personal information on him.

    However, there are a LOT of men by that name in the U.S.A. so for now, Iím assuming itís just a coincidence.

    Iíve also found photos of what I believe might be Lisaís son and also, what I think is an uncle (on her motherís side) in Florida. Both men look a lot like Johnís wife Carolyn.

    For privacy reasons, I wonít go into any more detail than that. Iím really just trying to locate photos that I can then match to the faces at the rally.

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    But to me this picture of Michael Roman - profile view, looks like it could be the same Michael Roman that worked for Trump refer to pix of Trump employee here;
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-roman-403138
    According to the text below the picture, the main person pictured in that article is White House counsel Don McGahn, Roman's boss in the Whitehouse.

    This article shows the names of some 16 people in the Whitehouse who have ties to Koch. It shows the images of 15 of these 16. The image for Michael Roman is blanked out. The article is: White House in Chaos: Koch Brothers In Position for the Next Phase.

    If I were Chanie, I might take a second glance at the other evidence I had that these were not the same Michael Roman's .

    P.S. -- This page has several pictures of these people, from 1997, but the people are not named: https://rememberingcbk.wordpress.com...ssibly-carole/
    Do you mean the evidence that I (Chanie) had? I think thatís what youíre saying?

    It turned out that I was tracking down the wrong Michael and Lisa. This often happens in genealogical research. Youíll be going full steam ahead and then, suddenly realize itís the wrong person and have to back track to the beginning and start all over again. Itís par for the course with this type of research.

    Now that I know they likely divorced, itís possible Lisaís Michael and Trumpís Michael are the same person, but Iíd have to know a lot more about him before Iíd feel comfortable making that conclusion and at a glance, there doesnít seem to be a lot of personal information on him.
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    Do you mean the evidence that I (Chanie) had? I think thatís what youíre saying?
    I think that's what I meant, yes .

    But follow your nose on this.

    I just found it rather suspicious that Mike Roman was the one ex-Koch worker whose image was blanked out in that White House in Chaos article.

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    there doesnít seem to be a lot of personal information on him.
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