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    Once upon a time.
    Men were men and females were pleased about that.
    The roles were clearly distinguished.
    The female, head of the home and the childs first teacher.
    There was mutual respect-- at least in most cases.

    The women made the house a home.
    Men provided the finance as best they could and fixed things.
    Men took of their hats as a salute to women --got up of their seats--opened doors.

    Young men flirted outrageously--wolf whistled etc.
    Women seemed to enjoy the attention and had many a quick retort.
    In the main it was just good fun.
    The great majority could take no for answer.
    There was of course the "stop it I like it" expression.

    Unfortunately a minority of men just went too far and now what have we got?

    Some men are emasculated--afraid of offending---not being true to their nature--what ever that may be. Some go the other way--really over the top sexual suggestion.

    Im all for equality but respect for the different attributes and abilities of both male and female.
    Women now have to go to work to help to help support the perceived needs of todays society.
    Enough is rarely enough.

    We seem to have lost something along the way.

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    I don't think Men or Women have lost anything . We are deliberately being stifled, in private it is just the same as it ever was. Our treasonous leaders and statute makers treat us, both male and female, with contempt. Imagine how the GDP doubled over night, with Women now forced to work. Destroying the family unit was always their goal. Brexit, case in point, the majority voted to leave, no ifs or buts. Look at what has happened, contempt from our dictatorship.

    I'm a traditionalist and believe in family and it's values. I don't believe in, nanny state interference, like we have now.
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    Am I one of many or am I many of one ? interesting .

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    All by design thanks to the Rockefeller Foundation funding women's liberation.

    https://relampagofurioso.com/2016/02...ism-was-about/


    The Rockefellers, funded Women’s Lib. And we’re the ones who got it all over the newspapers and televisions — The Rockefeller Foundation. You want to know why?”

    There were two primary reasons. And one reason was:

    “We couldn’t tax half the population, before Women’s Lib. And the second reason was: Now we get the kids in school at an early age. We can indoctrinate the kids how to think. So that it breaks up the family. Your kids start looking at the State as the family. As the school, as the officials as their family, not as the parents teaching them.” And so, those are the two primary reasons for Women’s Lib, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing. When I saw their intentions behind it, where they were coming from when they created it, the thought of it, I saw the evil behind what I thought was a noble venture.

    The full interview can be seen on YouTube. It is one of the most interesting interviews on the intentions of the corporate-government complex to be found anywhere.

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    Default Re: When men were men & women were feminine

    For a woman's experienced perspective on "what they did to schools", partly with respect to gender-control-roles:



    She has many videos, this came up 1st today...

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    Default Re: When men were men & women were feminine

    Most men would, I think, admit to not understanding women--me included.
    The bottom line is that we are different.
    One of the most helpful books I read is "Men are from Mars --Women are from Venus"
    That brought some understanding.
    The significant other must be the priority in your life.
    You may get extra "points" for being a good provider but if your job becomes the main focus in your life--heaven help you.
    Same goes for your hobby.
    Done this
    Female members of Avalon, your perspective on this thread is very welcome.

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    your text is, to me it seems, a dreamed of text, not ever near the reality.

    Even in old times, men who where men, following your definition, were a very tiny tiny minority, mostly from the higher class, which had money and food.

    the staving masses or those who had to work hard never had the time and energy left to be that feminine or masculine. They were just surviving with quite primitive means.

    To better describe:

    Men were working hard in the woods or hunting. If they were not, their family would starve, which many many family did because their men would be sleazy or drunk bas..., those wifes would have to work double for their children.

    Women had no time for anything else than cooking and washing and being pregnant therefore taking care of a trolley of children, if not dying during delivery of one of them (30% of women would die giving birth). Believe me, after a few years of this, forget the 'feminine' look or attitude (which is a cultural concept anyhow, at least the way you describe it).

    In most untouched societies, women still pair together for survival and help each other, not having that much from their men anyhow.

    To me, after many years on this planet, I perceive us, humans, as in the same mammal make up as other mammals, like lions, where the female does most of the work (hunting for lions) and the male rest and sleep.

    All todays stats says the same: women make 30% less than men on average, and work twice as hard in the workforce, which in fact makes a 70% differential. It was also that way in the old time. I have seen it my whole life. Very few woman really have the steady support of their male, independently of the culture, civilisation, or Rockerfellers of this world - the latter only utilised a pre-existing make up.

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    This gender equality thing that is being promoted at full potential, is one of the great damaging stuff we will get from a society. It has corrupted the position of men and women. If everything was done for good intention to humanity then they would have acted according to universal laws but this is far from it. Men and women are two different halves (two different worlds) with different positions, the weakest points of one is the strongest point of other, there is no visible equality but both make everything in balance.
    What this system is trying to do is just equalizing two halves in the same way, that means to corrupt the human nature to its core.

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    Flash thanks for your post but I can assure you my text is not dreamed--its my experience.
    Maybe different country different era--mind I am 72.

    My folks had a corner shop--at that time it was the hub of the community.
    I worked in the shop, after school, from the age of nine onward.
    Filling sugar in brown backs--getting paraffin for customers-delivering small messages.

    So I had observation of the interaction of married couples and others in that community.
    It was just after the war and it was all very real--food was still rationed for quite some time after.
    Poverty was the norm but people did not think they were poor--they had enough just, though they had to somtimes put their purchase on the slate (pay later)
    Respect was also the norm.

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    I suspect the inequality in pay came about because it was perceived that males had more need of the money--they perhaps had a family to support.
    Married women on the whole did not work --young ladys therefore were seen to be working without the financial responsibility of a married man.
    Different times---not saying it was right

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Flash thanks for your post but I can assure you my text is not dreamed--its my experience.
    Maybe different country different era--mind I am 72.

    My folks had a corner shop--at that time it was the hub of the community.
    I worked in the shop, after school, from the age of nine onward.
    Filling sugar in brown backs--getting paraffin for customers-delivering small messages.

    So I had observation of the interaction of married couples and others in that community.
    It was just after the war and it was all very real--food was still rationed for quite some time after.
    Poverty was the norm but people did not think they were poor--they had enough just, though they had to somtimes put their purchase on the slate (pay later)
    Respect was also the norm.

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    Well, I have lived in many countries, and what I described is pretty much what I have seen all over.

    However, my dad was the knight you are describing. He worked all his life in a job he did not like, because he had to feed his family. He was respectful and loving as well. But, I can tell you that in my neighborhood, on about 10 neighbors when I was young, he was the only one like this.

    Yes, everyone was more polite on the surface, but when it came for their daily life, hidden behind the curtains of their homes, it was not much better than today (2 male neighbors barely working and not providing for their family, one always screaming and barking at this wife and children, a third one providing but always drunk, a fourth one sleeping with his daughters, etc.). The whole shahinigan is just more in the open nowaday.

    One difference though, which is major, is the hard drug intake that has risen considerably and make of human beings perfect beasts. We only had alcool years ago.

    Believe me, I do not know many man who work doing things they do not like, for others, usually they give up instead, or their ego crumble and they become whatever, while I know many women working in order to feed their family, even if they do not like their work.

    Lately I was talking to a friend of mine and her boyfriend. He was mentioning his old divorce problems from a previous marriage and the nasty way his ex got to him.

    As I was listening, I told that I was surprised, because usually we hear those nasty behavior amongst women, talking together about their divorces from ex husbands, we rarely hear men mentioning such nastiness during divorce.

    Then he said something surprising, from a man perspective: he said that his problem was that when in court, judges would not believe him, mainly because usually, 70% of the time, it is the men who are that nasty with their ex. He added that judges are used to men doing anything to get their way and avoid paying, so when a man is not doing that but on the contrary is the one subjected to incredible nastiness, while paying for everything, it takes that man twice as many proofs so that the judges wake up and start believing him.

    It is the first time I heard a man openly stating what is obvious for most women (I had a few tell me in private that they despise the usual behavior of their male friends).

    Those real knights are few in between.

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    Time for fun

    But, when funny videos are made on the present topic, describing a catastrophy in terms of behaviors, there is some truth in it


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    I see the truth of your posts Flash.
    Everyone has a dark side and that may erupt at home.
    Outside the couple act as though the relationship is fine.
    Now its easier for a couple to go their separate ways--but not always possible.

    Not many Knights--not many Princesses either unfortunately.

    I think most are in "Settle for land"
    But thats ok--for many it works.

    A joke, kind of.
    "My husband became so successful that finally I could afford to divorce him."

    Eckhart Tolle said that "The bad is getting worse and the good is getting better"
    I suspect that's true

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    What Im not getting across is that I suspect many men dont know where they stand --what their role is.

    Now that is an assumption on my part.
    I note that the female BBC presenters seem to talk at the bottom of their vocal range sounding almost like their male counterparts--and there seems to an air of, we don’t really need men, coming from some females.

    Now I as a male want to feel that I am productive--not a waste of space--I like to feel wanted, even desired and that my attention to females in the opening of doors etc is appreciate--I have been accused of being patronizing---I can open the door for my self thank you, was one retort.

    At my age I really dont mind--but I do have some thought for relationships in young couples.
    A "job description" Lol might be a helpful aid.

    All my posts are passing thoughts and there in no opinion set in concrete.

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    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    your text is, to me it seems, a dreamed of text, not ever near the reality.

    Even in old times, men who where men, following your definition, were a very tiny tiny minority, mostly from the higher class, which had money and food.

    the staving masses or those who had to work hard never had the time and energy left to be that feminine or masculine. They were just surviving with quite primitive means.
    I appreciate the attempt to make this into an issue of class struggle, but I don't think masculinity and femininity are just things that people do in their spare time when they aren't working.

    They are states of being and working is one of the most masculine things men can do.

    Taking care of children is one of the most feminine things a woman can do.

    Instead of running away from our biological responsibilities as human beings (of two very distinct genders), it would be healthier and more constructive to find ways of embracing and enjoying them.

    Masculinity and femininity aren't some kind of class struggle, Flash. The 60's are over and Marxist philosophies like what you are saying have only served to further divide people. Nor was ancient history anything like a class struggle like you describe. No one even thought in those toxic terms until Marx came along.

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    Not many Knights--not many Princesses either unfortunately.
    It becomes outdated to stand up for your wife's honor when she's slept with about 10 or 15 different people before marrying, is far from some fair maiden, and often "wears the pants" in the family anyway.

    Chivalry originated with knights romantically attached to some unobtainable maiden, mostly virgins, daughters of nobility. There was recently an article stating the obvious, that men generally prefer to marry virgins who don't have tattoos and are debt-free (thus freeing them from working), rather than what universities tend to produce today, which is the exact opposite. By their early 20's, many women who attend universities today have been through the ringer in more ways than one and will be paying off student loans for years/decades. It's a very sad situation.

    Men Prefer Debt-Free Virgins Without Tattoos - the blog article that set off a firestorm recently. Because it's true. It's not a comfortable truth, but I don't know of any man who would reject a woman on these grounds, I can tell you that.

    It's not the same market for women that you enjoyed when you were younger, Greybeard. I'm not surprised that the number of "knights" has decreased since feminism took hold. There's hardly anything to left to honor.

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    One of the things missing in this discussion is the importance of the traditional feminine role in perpetuating the morals and culture of their families. It is women who traditionally carried on the rituals which are so important to maintaining a healthy sense of who we are.

    Examples which come to mind are my great-grandmother's recipe for red beans and rice, having Christmas dinner and being certain manners would be required, etc.

    We used to be the poles around which a life was lived and passed on. I really miss that part of male vs. female roles in today's culture.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    What Im not getting across is that I suspect many men dont know where they stand --what their role is.

    Greybeard, Seven years ago, when my son who was in his early 40's at the time and was still dating, said the exact same thing to me.

    He was confused: Some gals wanted you to open the door, others were insulted if you did - all of this put men off-balance: should they, shouldn't they.

    Perhaps, since you Greybeard and I grew up in the same general decades, explains why my experience was much the same as yours.
    Women were feminine, men were masculine. And yes, there were degrees on both sides, but not anywhere to the extent that I see now

    There were unwritten rules of behavior that most followed. I suppose in the more wealthy neighborhoods that would be called etiquette
    but that was not the type of neighborhood I came from
    Mine was a neighborhood of working class, mostly factory workers or laborers, but there were these unwritten rules of engagement.
    Lots of fun flirting. And the men asked the girls out.
    And whatever was happening behind closed door, was not aired in public. That was to discuss with a family member or best friend - in private.

    Flash, you may consider that deceptive, putting on a public face, but I call that good manners.
    I'm very uncomfortable now, when out with couples who make digs at each other openly and with malice, over wine.
    Not the time or the place, and how does that help the relationship by embarrassing your partner in public.

    My perspective is that growing up in the 40's and 50's was a more innocent time. At 12 yrs, I was still dressing like a little girl
    Now, many 12 yrs old girls are wearing short, shorts w/zipper undone part way. Or skirts so short that . . . well, you get my point.

    Men are From Mars,etc. is a great book.
    If you haven't seen the video, by same author, I recommend it. Very funny. It's probably on YouTube
    I personally like that men are different

    And in truth we are all different, unique.

    The gay/lesbian community is finding out that living with your own sex can be just as complicated as living with the opposite.

    But, back to heterosexual: My son once said: What men want most is respect, What women want most is attention.
    I think Greybeard said something similar.
    In truth, I believe we all want to be treated with respect
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    Ba-ba-Ra thank you for this.
    It really mirrors my thoughts on this, though I accept that people are so different that there is no norm now.
    Quote Ba-ba-Ra
    "But, back to heterosexual: My son once said: What men want most is respect, What women want most is attention.
    I think Greybeard said something similar.
    In truth, I believe we all want to be treated with respect "

    Yes you got it---thanks.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I see the truth of your posts Flash.
    Everyone has a dark side and that may erupt at home.
    Outside the couple act as though the relationship is fine.
    Now its easier for a couple to go their separate ways--but not always possible.

    Not many Knights--not many Princesses either unfortunately.

    I think most are in "Settle for land"
    But thats ok--for many it works.

    A joke, kind of.
    "My husband became so successful that finally I could afford to divorce him."

    Eckhart Tolle said that "The bad is getting worse and the good is getting better"
    I suspect that's true

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