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    Similarly, groups, communities, teams, villages, nations, businesses, web forums, and sundry other organizations get to set "community standards" ... what will be welcome, what will be tolerated, what will be discouraged, what will be rejected, and what will be punished.

    But ... "architects of society" don't get to use nefarious and covert means, at times leveraging our built-in capacity to distinguish and categorize others, in order to radically alter a community's standards, for their nefarious and covert purposes. When we notice that happening, we have a right, sometimes even a duty, to object, resist and oppose.
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    While reading your post, it reminded me of this photo in a video I watched yesterday: “In China, women were only suppose to grow so tall. Those who grew tall were punished by spending their day standing with a door with holes over their head and through their shoulders.”

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Corbett talks about what this whole situation is probably REALLY about (legislation that will in effect make the monopolies in social media even bigger).

    Quote Don't be an idiot! The government is NOT going to be the neutral arbiters of the internet and the big tech companies are NOT monopolies unless YOU forfeit your responsibility and use their controlled platforms. The answers to the social media crackdown are already here and it is your choice whether the alternatives that already exist thrive or die. It's up to you. Choose wisely.
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    Yes, yes, yes.

    James Corbett says what I've been trying to say, in my too many, too long, text posts on this thread.

    He's a far better communicator, and he's spot on here.

    Have a listen.

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    Excuse me as I have no referances for you to look at. I may well also, misspell some words.

    This is only my words from observing.

    I understand the thread of the banning of Alex Jones as a reaction to the unjust reason, of him being him.

    But this is hardly new.

    In my understaning of all things, this is just a
    test of what whoever is in controll can get away with.

    For instance, what about drug screening for a requirment for getting a job?

    I have read a statement here, that when someone comes into your home, that that is a violation, or an intrusion, on your rights. I agree.

    What is your home? Is it the residance you rent from the government by paying property taxes?

    Who can tell you what is right for you, as long as you do not harm another physically, financially, or even mentally? {The latter being perhaps worse}.

    Let us go farther into controll, if we must.

    You cannot vote unless you do it properly, by registering. The government knows you were born here. Or if you were not.

    Health care. You have no choice if you can have it or not. You must, or we will take even more money from you.

    Now for a little twist. bear with me please. A bit off topic,maybe not.

    Remember when the talk of unions were the enemy of corperations?

    How these workers would band together to under mind the well being of whatever corperation?

    The unions were destroyed, somewhat.

    Now the corparatios, are doing the exact same thing as the unions did.

    Do not think so? Facebook, You tube, whatever media chain, now doing exactly that.

    One corp drug testing what you do at home, now all doing it.

    Bottom line is, (amost), This has been going on for quite some time.

    You are not free, unless you stand up now, for all others.

    As It stands now, only those in power are free to do as they wish.

    do not give them yours.

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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
    My hope is that it's everybody online who makes hate filled claims about parents whose children have been murdered, saying that the grieving parents are being "actors" involved in a hoax.

    B.
    JFK's mom was still alive when he was assassinated. Should no one have questioned his assassination either, to avoid hurting his mom's feelings?
    Come on, Voice. You know better than to argue with this example. Questioning the circumstances of a murderer is not the same as saying that Kennedy's mother was a crisis actor.

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    A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest—a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

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    I like this: "You are not free, unless you stand up now, for all others."

    It's a strong belief of mine, and goes to the core of my attitude towards bullies.

    (And please don't ever think that one needs perfect spelling (or grammar) to post around here. Engage!)

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    Again Exo, for short. Repeat.

    Bowie song, this is not america.

    old news.

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    The tenor of this debate brings to mind the Middle Ages, when any criticism of the Church, or religious ideas or dogma was considered "heresy" - with very nasty consequences. (I believe it took the horror of the Black Plague to break the power of the church.....) Once again, fear in its many forms is being used to silence those whose observations may strike to close to truths better kept hidden by those in control.

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    https://www.infowars.com/confirmed-m...-ban-infowars/

    Quote As Jones himself tweeted today, “Should billionaires & huge corporations get to decide what we can say and read?”
    Should governments decide what can and cannot be controlled by internet platforms, then a new dark age is upon us. I agree mostly with the sentiment to minimize our interactions with apple, google, etc, out of protest, rather than allowing for government intervention. AJ seems uncomfortably close to advocating the very thing that would prove far more disastrous than what's been done to him.
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    Quote Reality 3: The mainstream establishment for whatever reason allows Alex to live. This means his meaning and mantra is irrelevant or supportive of their cause. As Alex points out on his website, if you point out something extremely negative against the establishment, they will kill you. This is all fine but why is Alex alive? We can see hundreds of intellectual and business people who died of weird circumstances not to mention just a few Paul Wellstone, Hunter S Thompson, Matt Simmons, more recently Andrew Breitbart, founder of Reddit Aaron Schwartz, and others.. not to mention John Kennedy, Frank Olsen, and countless others too many to name here, all who have deaths which speaking forensically are not conclusive based on evidence. But Alex is allowed to bash the establishment and expose the wrongs and so on and he has a bullhorn outside of Bilderberg “we are not your slaves” – Obviously he’s either working with them consciously or unwittingly OR what he’s promoting is completely irrelevant to their agenda, OR is some sort of smokescreen for something much deeper. In any event, his life and existence based on circumstances is proof that his views are either wrong, irrelevant, or serve the agenda of the elite. Breitbart, and others with damaging evidence, such as Simmons after the BP gulf spill, were immediately disappeared when it was learned they had damaging information. Alex promulgates a wide variety of information. Are we to believe based on his living that all his information is invalid? Matt Simmons was as those in the Oil community will attest one of the top minds in the field and once he explained what he knew about the BP spill he ended up killing himself in a bathtub. So is all of Alex information invalid, or is he just a puppet for the establishment, or is he irrelevant? (If he want to comment about this he should write about it he’s done enough speaking into megaphone).
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...lem-alex-jones

    While I don't agree with every expression in this article, the quoted part does somewhat echo my underlying concerns as stated above.
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    I have a question. Maybe someone can help me to understand what I am missing.

    The statement of alex jones being alive, while being a part of the establishment, and allowed to continue, makes a little sense to me. I do not feel he is irrelevant, nor anyone here.

    My question is, Does the government not already have a hand in this?

    That leads to many more Questions. Who, or what controls the youtube, facebook, or the government?

    I do not think it is us.

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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    https://www.infowars.com/confirmed-m...-ban-infowars/

    Quote As Jones himself tweeted today, “Should billionaires & huge corporations get to decide what we can say and read?”
    Should governments decide what can and cannot be controlled by internet platforms, then a new dark age is upon us. I agree mostly with the sentiment to minimize our interactions with apple, google, etc, out of protest, rather than allowing for government intervention. AJ seems uncomfortably close to advocating the very thing that would prove far more disastrous than what's been done to him.

    Government can intervene without having to get into deciding what people can and can't say.

    A nation state can make a corporation abide by it's rules [ That was almost lost in the trade deal Trump scrapped ] within the borders of that nation state. A government can make a corporation operate a perfectly flat/level platform within the jurisdiction of that government. The corporation can only choose to abide by that or choose to not operate within that nation state at all.

    For America, it's a fairly easy call because it has a perfectly distinct bill of rights and constitution. Other nation states would have to work on that a bit.
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    https://www.infowars.com/confirmed-m...-ban-infowars/

    Quote As Jones himself tweeted today, “Should billionaires & huge corporations get to decide what we can say and read?”
    Should governments decide what can and cannot be controlled by internet platforms, then a new dark age is upon us. I agree mostly with the sentiment to minimize our interactions with apple, google, etc, out of protest, rather than allowing for government intervention. AJ seems uncomfortably close to advocating the very thing that would prove far more disastrous than what's been done to him.

    Government can intervene without having to get into deciding what people can and can't say.

    A nation state can make a corporation abide by it's rules [ That was almost lost in the trade deal Trump scrapped ] within the borders of that nation state. A government can make a corporation operate a perfectly flat/level platform within the jurisdiction of that government. The corporation can only choose to abide by that or choose to not operate within that nation state at all.

    For America, it's a fairly easy call because it has a perfectly distinct bill of rights and constitution. Other nation states would have to work on that a bit.
    So, do you mean something like a corporate bill of rights should be introduced? How does a government get involved without legislation, or worse, executive orders, any of which are almost guaranteed to bite the people in the butt on down the line?
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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    https://www.infowars.com/confirmed-m...-ban-infowars/

    Quote As Jones himself tweeted today, “Should billionaires & huge corporations get to decide what we can say and read?”
    Should governments decide what can and cannot be controlled by internet platforms, then a new dark age is upon us. I agree mostly with the sentiment to minimize our interactions with apple, google, etc, out of protest, rather than allowing for government intervention. AJ seems uncomfortably close to advocating the very thing that would prove far more disastrous than what's been done to him.

    Government can intervene without having to get into deciding what people can and can't say.

    A nation state can make a corporation abide by it's rules [ That was almost lost in the trade deal Trump scrapped ] within the borders of that nation state. A government can make a corporation operate a perfectly flat/level platform within the jurisdiction of that government. The corporation can only choose to abide by that or choose to not operate within that nation state at all.

    For America, it's a fairly easy call because it has a perfectly distinct bill of rights and constitution. Other nation states would have to work on that a bit.
    So, do you mean something like a corporate bill of rights should be introduced? How does a government get involved without legislation, or worse, executive orders, any of which are almost guaranteed to bite the people in the butt on down the line?

    It's really very simple. There is no need to add more legislation. The only tuff bit is extricating the American mind out of the "divine rights of commercial entities" vortex.


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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama, quoting Zero Hedge (here)
    ...why is Alex alive?
    I'd suggest they're wanting to humiliate and disempower him, not make him a martyr. (But the tactic is risky, because this may be making him a martyr anyway.)

    And if they DID kill him, then that might well propel into action a very large number of gun-toting patriots. If they wanted to trigger a civil war, that'd be one of the things they'd surely do. This might imply, interestingly, that a civil war might NOT be what they're trying to achieve right now... or, at least, not in this form.

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    The tough bit reminds me of the underpants gnomes of Southpark fame. Steal underpants --> .... --> Profit!

    I agree that corporate personhood and the lack of accountability that goes with it lies at the heart of this, and likewise is central to most of what is wrong in the modern world. With the influence of such upon the government and its people, what would it take to actually raise the ire of the majority to actually repeal such a policy?
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    . . . .what would it take to actually raise the ire of the majority to actually repeal such a policy?


    A clear path alternative.


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    Censorship + targeting with bully tactics.

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    It's interesting that the lawless ones attempt to create laws to control other people.

    It's not like the laws matter to techno-bullies.

    MM

    ADD: Max Egan speaking to the same issue in above video.
    Accuses government of causing harm and not respecting law, and should be held accountable.
    Our job is to hold THEM accountable and prevent them from distorting laws to serve their own ends.
    ********
    That's what they are up to...using the "Delphi technique" to channel a group of people to accept a point of view (or law to give them more control) that is imposed upon them while convincing them it was their idea. More mind control through manipulation/deception.

    NOT BUYING INTO IT!
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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    Quote Reality 3: ... ended up killing himself in a bathtub ...
    Clearly, bathtubs should be licensed, just as firearms are .

    Interesting article - thanks for the link.

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    While I don't agree with every expression in this article, the quoted part does somewhat echo my underlying concerns as stated above.
    Yes ... I have concerns similar to the ones you quote, regarding Alex Jones.
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