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    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...uding-ron-paul

    The crackdown will continue until everyone feels safe on the internet! Anything I disagree with is hate speech!

    P.S. Mojo also has a thread covering this topic. I personally feel strongly enough about this subject to bring myself out of radio silence. I have a very conservative cousin who is a paralegal in a major law firm in my state, who is drafting letters to be sent to congress and the fcc, which I will share when they come my way.
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    I say Giddyup! Get on with it. These deep state corporations don’t realize that the tighter they turn the screws the more people wake up. I’m tired of this slow burn. Let’s go! Let’s wake ‘em up!

    We’ve known this was coming. Heck, Obama made it legal for the American government to use propaganda (lies) against it’s own people. Alex calls his site InfoWARS. Make no mistake, this IS war. It’s the awakened against the sleepwalkers and deep state and nothing short of the future on this planet is at stake! The sooner we accept that, mobilize and take appropriate actions the better.

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    Paul, Debra and I had an interesting conversation about this on the mods Skype chat yesterday. We felt it might be shared.

    ~~~

    Paul: Apple, Facebook, Spotify & YouTube Banned Infowars (Alex Jones): https://infowars.com/the-real-reason...anned-infowars

    Debra: Good article Paul .. a very plain statement of affairs

    Paul: Beware the proposed remedy, however. This article ends by saying: "It will only intensify unless lawmakers act now to introduce a Digital Bill of Rights and treat social media giants as telecommunications companies who are forbidden by law from discriminating against people and media outlets based on their political opinions."
    Thus the "fix" for some outrageous corporate activity is greater control by the government over what we say and do.
    For example, I have probably expressed doubt in some article, sometime in the last 7 years I've been here, over the official version of the Holocaust. Should that be illegal, as it is already in Germany, under such laws?
    Or I find myself pleased when Q observes that "we have it all", referring to the NSA's surveillance of the CIA, Clintons, et al. Should I really be cheering on the "total surveillance" of the US government ?
    Thus they divide us. Thus they create problems for which the solution is more power for them.

    Debra: Got it. Thank you. I overlook the MO of Infowars to whip up and help divide .. thus working to lay the groundwork for the next iteration of control.
    Whether they are doing this consciously or not. That’s still not utterly clear to me.

    Bill: Well, they're trying to counter tyranny... if Infowars is dividing people by disagreeing with the mainstream narrative, then so are we.

    Debra: Yes .. we are one level .. yet it’s also being co-opted on another. A grey zone for sure but would assume these other parties also play in the space, jockeying for control or auditing for places to swoop on and manipulate

    Bill: Here
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1239639
    You wrote:
    "Bump and bump until something is DONE"
    Are you 'whipping up and helping divide'? I'd say you're promoting concern and activism.


    Debra: All speculation on my part drawn from the tides of commentary out there, including from the brains trust here on the mod chat and PA in general
    Yes .. I am. If there’s one space I would jump into - it’s this one.

    Bill: Yes.
    We have to CARE. Alex Jones does. Too many people don't.

    Debra: It’s a dark space and I mostly stay out of it - but if it taps me on the shoulder it is the moral thing to do

    Bill: Doing and saying nothing, in case it upsets someone's applecart, is exactly the soft road to a new fascism.

    Debra: Yes - I agree. I once suffered a lot for stepping in so I don’t know how Alex Jones does it...

    Bill: Well, he has the thick skin of a stegosaurus. So does David Icke, and a few others.
    But we HAVE to say divisive things. There's no other way.
    We do that on the forum every day... but we always try to say civil. That matters.

    Paul: Beware the remedy. Brandon Smith, in this interview with Rory Hall of the Daily Coin, says it as well as anyone I know: https://thedailycoin.org/2018/08/05/...-breaking-free
    Rory is a bit slow witted for my tastes ... but Brandon continues to delight me.

    Bill: @Paul:Yes... noted. But we still have to speak out. On the forum, we're educators. I see that as our prime function. Not polemicists. There's a difference. But educators also have to have principles.

    Paul: Speak - yes. Care - yes. But first understand enough so that the remedy is not worse than the ailment.

    Bill: It's a slippery slope if we all stay quiet because we're afraid of a possible 'remedy'... like afraid of being punished for speaking out. We have to be smart, and know what to say and what not to say (and how!) but not be silent.

    Paul: No one here is suggesting we say quiet, Bill, or am I missing something?

    Bill: Every YouTube channel holder will be thinking of this right now. It's all a giant case study.
    Totalitarian tactics: (Stalin was good at this)
    Pick on the leader of a group (as it were), and execute them publicly. Then you never have to deal with the thousands of others. They all become very afraid.
    So this is what they've done with Alex. It's not an attack on him and Infowars, it's to silence everyone.
    My strategic question is what False Flag may be coming soon.
    ...One maybe so major that they HAVE to get Infowars off the air first.

    Paul: Contrary to my agreement with Brandon Smith, I disagree with the direction that Mike Adams is taking on this: http://12160.info/page/mike-adams-of...-realalexjones. Mike figures the first step should be for the US government to arrest the CEO's of Apple, Facebook, Spotify & YouTube on RICO (racketeering) charges

    Bill: Yes, Mike Adams isn't a very good political strategist.
    He was just ranting unrealistically. He said nothing at all useful.

    Paul: When one gets in a tight spot, whether in the mountains as I'm sure you've done, Bill, or riding a bicycle too fast in dangerous traffic, as I did in my youth, it should first concentrate the mind, not push the emotions over the top.

    Bill: Yes, agreed.
    Paul wrote:
    > No one here is suggesting we say quiet, Bill, or am I missing something?

    Well, Debra referred to
    > the MO of Infowars to whip up and help divide .. thus working to lay the groundwork for the next iteration of control.
    ... implying that Infowars maybe shouldn't be so strident (and maybe should be silent!) about a bunch of things. I'm glad Alex Jones yells his truth. (I do wish he were more like Richard Dolan — both historians concerned for the future! — but they have rather different DNA.)
    I'm worried, too, about the possible day — maybe in a decade or so — when Avalon will no longer be legally permitted to promulgate 'fake news'. I have no solution... it's all totally uncomfortable, the more one thinks about it. We can probably all 100% agree on that.
    We're all at the theoretical mercy of the large corporations and interests that have almost total control over how we communicate. That's really really dangerous.

    Paul: So ... Mike Adams ... if Bill Ryan bans flat earthers from ProjectAvalon.net, then should the United States send an extradition request to Ecuador (perhaps Bill could be exchanged for Julian Assange in a prisoner swap) ?

    Bill: I referred to Rich Dolan above... he thinks now that the variant of UFO disclosure that may eventually happen is what he calls "Fascist Disclosure'.... when they have social media wrapped up so tight (and everything else with it) that they can announce a bunch of grossly distorted untruths, and know they'll get away with it, because they'll be no organized pushback or well-publicized questions.
    When they can completely control the narrative (better than they did with 9/11 !! ), then they'll not be afraid of the consequences of whatever they announce.

    Paul: Lack of control over the narrative - our best defense against a 9/11 or Presidential assassination

    Bill: On 8/6/18, at 10:14 PM, Paul wrote:
    > if Bill Ryan bans flat earthers from ProjectAvalon.net...
    Prevention is better than cure! (Never let that immigration happen on the forum)

    Paul:

    Bill: On 8/6/18, at 10:16 PM, Paul wrote:
    > Lack of control over the narrative - our best defense against a 9/11 or Presidential assassination
    Yes, 100% agreed
    (btw, this is another mods chat that could maybe be shared with the forum)

    Bill:
    I'll be interested to see what (if anything) Q says about this. He came out in a diatribe against Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi a few months ago.... considering today's events, that's more evidence to me that Q is a clever establishment device.

    Paul: It's not clear to me, at least not without going back to the record, which of Jones/Corsi, or of Q, started the discord between them.

    Bill: Q started it.
    Before that, Alex had been very supportive of Q, and so (absolutely!) had Corsi.

    Paul: My fading recollections differ, and are more Q friendly (neither of these leanings of mine surprises me <grin>)

    Bill: Alex and Corsi concluded from that that Q was an intel op.

    Paul: I concluded, IIRC, that Alex and Corsi were an intel op ... for the CIA side, and that Q is an intel op, for the Trump/NSA side

    Bill: My prediction: Q will say absolutely nothing at all. That would show me that he wanted this censorship to happen, and/or was on the 'side' of the censors.

    Bill: ^^ Well... you're flat wrong.

    Paul:

    Bill: Hey... we're being divided
    Don't let THAT happen!!

    Paul: If Q says nothing, it would show me that he doesn't want to add energy to this pro vs anti Alex intel op, intended to drive regulations that would limit all the alt-media.


    Bill:

    And —> Debra

    Paul: The older who have climbed both sides of several mountains look on mountains differently than the younger who are looking for their first mountain side through the fog

    Debra: No, not implying at all we should be silent Bill - nor Alex Jones. There is though a level that is hovering around all levels, co-opting and exacerbating and using it all for their purposes. Can’t ignore that.
    Good night Bill

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    Far left democrat Senator Chris Murphy is calling for more censorship!!! Since when did the democrats ever wish this?????

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...nds-on-it.html

    Quote Sen. Chris Murphy thinks tech giants banning Alex Jones’ Infowars is a good start, but says the “survival of our democracy” depends on sites like Facebook and YouTube removing additional content.

    “Infowars is the tip of a giant iceberg of hate and lies that uses sites like Facebook and YouTube to tear our nation apart. These companies must do more than take down one website. The survival of our democracy depends on it,” Murphy, D-Conn., tweeted on Monday.

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    And, this from the other side...
    Quote


    O’Keefe Calls on Whistleblowers to “Expose the Entire Rotten Tech Machine”


    O’Keefe Calls on Whistleblowers to “Expose the Entire Rotten Tech Machine”
    President of Project Veritas, James O’Keefe vowed to “expose the entire rotten tech machine” after Facebook, YouTube, Google and Apple banned Infowars in a coordinated attack on Monday.
    truepundit.com

    8:30 AM - 7 Aug 2018
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Paul, Debra and I had an interesting conversation about this on the mods Skype chat yesterday. We felt it might be shared.

    ~~~

    It's a meme war, and we're not fighting the wrong memes with the right memes.


    There is some moral high and defendable ground to be occupied that even rabid socialist/fascist programmed rentamobs can only bounce off in the eyes of the general and reasonable masses who will be going to vote in November.


    The first distinction that has to be made is the difference between free market enterprise ( and the rights of corporations to ban whoever they like etc ) and the real state of affairs which is a soviet corporate state (global).


    Another, is to drill into how tax exemption really works at corporate level. Currently, one company can gobble up another, wiping out it's anual ( or longer ) taxable profits. The whole system is completely rigged to make buying out the planet as simple as possible, with little or no dividend trickling down to empower the little people. They are still hanging on to debt based handouts that corrupt their political instincts at street level.

    Find me a Rep' or neutral voter who would support that if they really understood it.


    It's a meme war much more than it's an information war. Information is a peacetime thing, in comparison to the pressing needs right now.
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    Full attack mode has many looks...

    Quote Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: d51ef9 No.2430708 📁
    Aug 3 2018 10:09:53 (EST)
    Full attack mode.
    Washington Post leading?

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    Has Tracy Beanz been taken down as well! One she posted at 10:02 comes up black.

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    so many on this topic have contributed so much vital information/many informative video links- and I greatly appreciate and thank all for that-

    and special thanks to @Bill who has piece-mealed this even more;

    obviously Alex Jones is not the 1st one to be censored but he's the loudest-mouthed alternative media source out there; I personally don't like Jones' sensationalist delivery (and his grated voice is contrived) and have at times to a certain extent disagreed with some of his opinions but I find it horrific that someone, somewhere is trying to shut his mouth-

    so if the biggest mouth is now being censored how long will it take for smaller mouths (like us) to be censored (we don't have the financial backing that Jones has- look at his broadcasting studio- who bank-rolled this?- but that's another topic)?

    we're pitance compared to Alex Jones-

    please stay well all-

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    From Post #4613:

    Dave over at X22Report has pointed out something interesting that is Q related... as follows - click on the image it will start at the point that is being referenced to the 'Something big is about to happen'.... transcribed below.


    VIDEO
    New Q post 1821... contains a couple pdf files...
    PDF #1: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa...key_points.pdf

    PDF #2: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploa..._i_summary.pdf
    X22Report TRANSCRIPT @ 16m59s:
    "So, Q is out there saying, 'This information everyone needs to know to understand what is going to happen & what is going to drop.

    So we can see that big things are coming. And, we're going to see the Deep State scramble. We're going to see the corporate media scramble. And I believe this is why they decided to take down certain channels on Youtube, and I think its Alex Jones, and I think Sean (SGT Report) had his channel drop but it was brought back up, and many others, where they're taking down the very, very large ones to try to stop what is about to happen, because they know they have alot of listeners & they're trying to stop all the reporting of all this & spreading the word out there.

    But I don't think this is going to work, because as we can see - the word is getting out. So that means, they're going to try to take this to the next level.

    What is the next level? The next level may be some type of event. Or, some type of story that they make up to keep in the news cycle. It could be anything.

    Whatever they're going to do, they're going to try to clog the news cycle with something completely different. And, of course, its going to be something negative to Trump, where its going to be some type of collusion-Russian, or something-other-story that they're going to make up, to try to convince everyone that Mueller has.... or maybe even Mueller might all of a sudden push something out there to get it out in the news cycle... Push something out there to show that they're very close in finding Russian collusion.

    Who knows? And, they're trying to censor all those that might report on this.
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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)

    Dave over at X22Report has pointed out something interesting that is Q related... as follows - click on the image it will start at the point that is being referenced to the 'Something big is about to happen'.... transcribed below.
    Yes. This fits with what I suggested a few hours ago:
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    It's not an attack on him and Infowars, it's to silence everyone.
    My strategic question is what False Flag may be coming soon.
    ...One maybe so major that they HAVE to get Infowars off the air first.
    Of course, it might not be a violent False Flag event. It might be a major item introduced in the news cycle that has to be tightly-controlled, so they need to pre-emptively silence dissent and questions about it by silencing the major channels that would challenge what's about to happen.

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    Alex Jones Statement On Alex Jones YouTube Channel Shut Down - Infowars Youtube Channel Shut Down.

    (on YouTube for now...good idea for those who feel so inclined to make and keep a copy)


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    They must be in full-on panic mode to dare open this can of worms. This is Orwellian truth-editing personified. If the opinions of Alex Jones are nonsense, what need to censor him? If his claims are baseless, than that should be self-evident.

    In the authoritarian model, the ban-hammer only falls when their LIES are threatened. One can only hope the normies wake the hell up and realise that for themselves.

    I'm not a huge fan of Alex Jones truth be told, but this is bulls**t, especially as they claim its on the grounds of "conspiracy theories" and "hate speech". What this really is, is a strategic strike by proxy, from deep state puppetmasters through the tech companies they control. It's a move to break the dangerous alt-media narrative, that seems clear. Well, those puppet strings need to be cut now, and quickly. Goog, fb, twatter etc,. they've gone too far now, and in my opinion it's time to send in the jackboot.

    A good example of their twisted standards.

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    Hate speech is the vortex they want us all to get sucked into. It's their golden ticket all the way through November.



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    I just wrote the President about it. I don't tweet. Has he said anything about this situation?
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    Alex and Mike Adams discuss the issue on Bitshute:

    "The “great patriot purge” of 2018 continues as even more platforms move to ban Alex Jones from having access to social media. This authoritarian censorship mirrors communist China."

    Big Tech Champions Communist China Style Censorship
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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    YouTube and Facebook aren't the only ones with the power to ban.

    We have the power!

    I've already banned Facebook from my life.

    Even though it's an incredibly stable platform, YouTube will be next as the disinformation rises above the truth. Actually, I rarely use YouTube other than to view videos posted on Avalon.

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    Still not touching Facebook with a proverbial bargepole - and for reasons that have little to do with the storm in a teacup that was Cambridge Analytica.

    Anything coming from Facebook I dismiss immediately or at least fact check. It is not a source of information.

    Sadly your average Facebook user will believe everything that is fed to them.

    And that fits the agendas of those who hold power and want easily fooled, functional ignoramuses to maintain the status quo that they think benefits them the most.

    They're likely even wrong about that - what good are people who can't reason or produce much value?

    If you spend any amount of time on Facebook, you will see that much of the bilge you see in the form of forwarded articles, that when you dig further, you notice that the person who forwarded it to you didn't get it from the original publishing account, but from someone they knew. Like-minded idiots then spam the hundred or so people who know them (the average size of a Facebook "friends" list is 100 - Google "Dunbar's Number" for an explanation of why this is so). Within that hundred, there'll be at least one more who'll inflict the same post on his or her friend-list by commenting on it, liking it, re-posting it etc. And it goes on, until millions have least seen the message.

    It gets worse: Facebook-owned WhatsApp doesn't even label forwards as "Forwarded by", a practice that has caused a spate of murders in India, where WhatsApp is used as a de-facto social media platform. A series of urban myths warning about child-abductors, when forwarded around rural villages, ended up being interpreted as "I saw two strangers here this morning in a green car, who were trying to steal young boys" rather than the correct "I was sent this story about two strangers somewhere ..."

    Facebook is not free, it's costing society dearly.

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