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    A view from the Liberal mainstream, The Atlantic:

    What Does It Mean to Ban Alex Jones?

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    Quote The inconsistent embargo on Infowars demonstrates the breadth of tools tech companies have to police speech....

    ...But if you went to Apple’s App Store, you could find his company’s app, which contains Jones’s podcasts and shows, and which has been “rocketing” up the App Store charts. Or, if you went to Facebook today and shared an Infowars link, it’d post. YouTube still hosts various Infowars associates such as Paul Joseph Watson, along with dozens of Jones’s appearances on other outlets.....

    ...There are many kinds of bans, and they each represent a different tool technology companies can use to police speech. Platforms can weaken the distribution of content they don’t like. They can ban the discovery of content they don’t like, as Apple has with Jones’s podcasts. Platforms can decline to host content they don’t like, as YouTube and Facebook have with InfoWars videos and pages, respectively. Or platforms can ban the presence of content they don’t like, regardless of where it is hosted or discovered....

    ...These platforms sit atop the web in two different ways. One is that they enclose a piece of the internet, hosting the content; YouTube and Facebook Video are good examples of this. But in other circumstances, the platforms act as a skin over the top of the web. Apple’s podcast app is just a big directory of podcast feeds; Apple puts the hosting costs on podcasters. So to “ban” the Infowars podcast in this case is to remove the pointer to that feed from the app....

    ...In Apple’s podcast app, all you have to do to keep listening to Jones is manually add the URL. It takes 10 seconds, and voila....

    ...Jones and his followers are probably right to be mad. They took the tech world at face value, played the game as it was sold to them by a generation of internet entrepreneurs, and they succeeded....

    ...This is going to be an ugly, fraught process, but let’s be real: This is just the latest of many tweaks they’ve made to the structural conditions of the media. These same technology companies methodically disassembled the media industry in the course of less than a decade, snatching up most of the profits in digital advertising for themselves, and sending media companies careening down dead ends. Papers are struggling. Magazines are struggling. There are thousands fewer reporters than there used to be....
    Full article is here.

    My own observation here is that there is no immediate legal remedy - as much as RICO lawsuits have been referenced by Mike Adams and others, it will take years to untangle that one. The issue of using public platforms when one agrees to Terms of Service, puts this squarely in the jurisdiction of Contract Law (which supercedes any other kind of law as far as I know - I am not a lawyer, so am open to correction on that one).

    The issue of this being very well timed, politically and strategically, in an obvious display of opposition to one of the alternative media allies of Trump and the narratives that support Trump, just under 3 months before what will be a heavily polarized and contested mid-term election, is another story. A pre-emptive strike for sure, and a cleverly timed one. Because as the old saying goes "Better to apologize later after the deed than ask permission first".

    They know there is no immediate legal remedy, they know it will take time to address and untangle this legal quagmire, (and no, Trump cannot just write an "Executive Order" on this one) and even if eventually they are proven wrong, and receive a sanction, it will be long after the fact.

    My view from the outside (watching all this quite sadly) is that the Democrat/Liberal Globalist worldview - which just so happens to have control of most of the money, power, institutional muscle, and opinion and policy shapers of this world - are so "in-bred" in their thinking that they are completely out of touch with the people. They underestimated public sentiment grossly in the past, but have realized now, too late, and their only way to address it is to censor, which is really primitive, and shows lack of intelligent leadership.

    By the same token, the people who are and represent nationalist/conservative values (and have the right to live them) also completely underestimate the strategic capabilities of the global power brokers. We are way past the time when the Will of the People prevails (in more ways than apparent), and it is down to a battle of intelligence and strategy.

    Just my (somewhat irrelevant) opinion.
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    Censorship of conservatives continues: Tommy Robinson's Instagram page removed

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    Former EDL leader Tommy Robinson in Birmingham, UK. March 24, 2018. © Joel Goodman / Reuters

    Former English Defense League leader and right-wing activist Tommy Robinson has had his "realtommyrobinson" Instagram account removed. The social media website now displays a message saying "Sorry, this page isn't available."

    Robinson - whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - was recently released on bail following his appeal against a contempt of court charge. He has suggested that he may fall victim to further bans.

    In a recent Facebook post, he announced that he can no longer access Instagram.

    "They have now deleted my Instagram account," he wrote. "Facebook will soon close us down."

    Twitter banned Robinson in March. The company has failed to reveal which of his tweets led to the ban. However, the founder of the EDL and self-styled journalist claims he was told it was for tweeting "Islam promotes killing people," according to the Guardian.

    Robinson is thought to be currently staying on the Spanish island of Tenerife, having flown there not long after being released from prison.

    Speaking about his experience behind bars, he recently claimed he was 'mentally tortured' in jail, complaining of having no access to TV, being unable to eat prison food, and being moved to a facility with a larger Muslim population.

    Robinson's ban comes after a number accounts belonging to other controversial far-right and right-wing figures were shut down by social media platforms. Most notably, Alex Jones' Infowars has been removed from Facebook, YouTube, Spotify and Apple's podcasts.
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    More censorship to come: Facebook's 'most sensitive political decisions' to be outsourced to think tanks

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    Facebook reportedly plans to hand over political decision-making related to 'propaganda campaigns' to think tanks. The IT giant already uses 'geopolitical expertise' from the group funded by State Department and the US Army.

    The company's head Mark Zuckerberg wants to outsource "most sensitive political decisions," leaving "geopolitics" to think tanks, Facebook employees privately told Reuters.

    Facebook is already working closely with the Digital Forensic Research Lab, organized by the US government-funded think tank, the Atlantic Council. The company relies on the lab's "geopolitical expertise" when tackling the 'Russian trolls' allegedly meddling in US election campaigns.

    Facebook's Chief Security Officer Alex Stamos explained to reporters that the tech company itself doesn't have "the necessary information"to identify the "relationship between political motivations that we infer about an adversary and the political goals of a nation-state."

    Last week, Facebook deleted 32 pages and accounts it said were run by 'bad actors.' The company didn't specify who the deleted accounts belonged to, but its partner, the Digital Forensic Research Lab said the same day that they were "reminiscent of the troll operation run from Russia."

    Facebook had announced its election partnership with the Atlantic Council in May. The company cited the council's "stellar reputation" in battling disinformation. That month Facebook also donated to the council's digital lab an undisclosed amount of money, Reuters reports.

    The Atlantic Council was established in 1961 to promote the NATO agenda worldwide, with the US State Department still serving as one of its chief funders. The US Air Force, Army, Navy, the Marine Corps, the US Army War College, and the US Air Force Academy are also listed as the council's active donors, along with the US Mission to NATO and the US Chamber of Commerce.

    Aside from the financial support from the US government, the think tank receives money from NATO and other nations, including the various EU states, like the UK, Germany, Sweden, and Lithuania, all of whom expressed concerns over the alleged 'Russian meddling' into their domestic affairs.

    The organization's donor list includes major corporations, like Microsoft, General Electric, oil and gas companies Chevron and Total S.A., weapons manufacturers Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, financial giant JPMorgan Chase & Co, and the European Investment Bank.

    The think tank also accepts money from anti-Russian interest groups, such as the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, which welcomed the expulsion of Russian diplomats from the Western states and urged the public to boycott the FIFA World Cup hosted by Russia.

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    Savvy?

    ... anyone supporting Alex or any Alt websites is gonna be branded "troll" and deported... somewhere where internet connections are banned...
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    Very interesting, thanks. Somehow, I cannot shake the impression that all this is an outcome of Bilderberg 2018, whose participants and agenda included dealing with what is for them, a "Post-Truth" world, and also specifically, "The U.S. before midterms"......there are no publically available minutes of what was discussed, of course.....Chatham House Rule.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Savvy?

    I think that means Kissinger and Soros.


    It's time to call out the global corporate state for what it is, and the nation state fixers for it.



    It might wrench the problem out of the dying grip of the American small business believers church of enterprise that has given this horrendous process a free pass for many decades.
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    I've only just realised what the significance of Alex Jones's MAILChimp account is. Mailchimp handles all his emails to people like me. I'm subscribed to his newsletter and his products special offers.


    He's just said the Mailchimp axe has stopped that.
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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    YouTube and Facebook aren't the only ones with the power to ban.

    We have the power!

    I've already banned Facebook from my life.

    Even though it's an incredibly stable platform, YouTube will be next as the disinformation rises above the truth. Actually, I rarely use YouTube other than to view videos posted on Avalon.

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    The Google-YouTube monopoly, Amazon, Facebook and other Tech Giants only exist in their current form as a result of their relationship with the National Security complex (and US Tax Dollars). They merely masquerade as private enterprises and should therefore not be allowed to operate under US Laws governing corporations but should rather be bound by the laws of public utilities.
    I would rewrite that :
    The Google-YouTube monopoly, Amazon, Facebook and other Tech Giants only exist in their current form as a result of their relationship with the National Security complex (and US Tax Dollars). They merely masquerade as private enterprises and should therefore not be allowed to operate under US Laws governing corporations but should rather be left to shrivel and perhaps vanish, after the National Security complex is carved into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds, no longer able to support these tech giants.
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    Yea but, Paul, the evolving emergency has reached this point and can shed a skin like that almost without missing a beat.


    Corporate armies, corporate intel, corporate politics, corporate secret space program and on and on.


    Welcome to the global corporation where a nation's security complex is barely a burp from the belly of the beast.


    edit:


    I'll go on to say this.


    The "Deep State" are probably very pleased that we call them that. It gives them a less threatening tone than what they really are.


    We should really be calling them the Global Corporation. That would make more people sit up and think
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Richard Dolan gets right into this subject in his latest intelligent disclosure podcast:



    Everyone should listen to this. This is Richard Dolan at his strongest, clearest, most passionate, and most articulate. It may be the best presentation of his I've ever heard.

    And it's by FAR the best summary on the net so far, on video or in text, about the Infowars censorship issue.

    After an hour, he ventures briefly into UFOs, and then returns at the end to talk more about totalitarianism.

    HIGHLY recommended, for anyone, whatever they might think of Alex Jones. It's the kind of thing to play through several times, making good notes.

    I'm hoping this might reach a LOT of people, including those who aren't into ufology and may never have heard of him.

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    Thanks Bill. I heard it this morning on another thread and it IS excellent. I have a lot of respect for Richard.
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    Still listening...

    On the topic of Alex Jones, Richard Dolan states @ 20:28ish:
    With the establishment or at least elements of the establishment, do they have the right? Does YouTube have the right? Does Google have the right? Does Apple have the right to make unilateral decisions that affect the broad base of our society? And I think this is going to work against them. This is the new censorship. Again this is not the old censorship in practice. This is the new censorship this is 21st century style of censorship.

    I think it's clear that these corporations have gone too far this time. There’s a large obvious backlash against what's happened. And I think you know it's odd to think this, but they are turning Alex Jones into a martyr for free speech. And I don't think they want to go down that road. But they are absolutely doing this by utterly opaquely defining draconian action that affects millions of people. So I think this is a very, very dangerous thing that has been done. I think the decision to muzzle him should not be made like this. It’s clear political pressure.

    One of the other things that Paul Joseph Watson pointed out that I thought was apropos was his comment about CNN. Which you know you can really see the irony here CNN for the longest time has really tried to take Alex Jones out of the picture. They’ve gone after him again and again and again. And they've aired calls to de-platform him multiple times. And here's CNN now promoting itself really as the bastion of free speech and free media in their war with the President Trump. And yet they are gleeful, clearly gleeful. And it’s arguable that it was a lot of their pressure that helped to push Facebook, YouTube, Apple and Spotify into this realm now where they've de-platformed really the major critic of big centralized statism as it exists in our world...
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    The "Deep State" are probably very pleased that we call them that. It gives them a less threatening tone than what they really are.
    I always liked "ankle-biters"

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    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    Censorship is happening, patriots will stand up against this....



    Although I am not surprised at this removal of Infowars from the major public social sites, I was deeply shocked that they went ahead so brazenly and simply refused to discuss it.
    The powerful groups which are behind this removal of Infowars are the very same ones which underpin the entire mainstream media empire across the western world.

    I don't care if you watch my little video, we are each 'attention seekers' online, because this is what the internet truly is, a communications platform which can amplify our voices, and also provides the return channel!
    It was because Alex Jones was becoming too successful, too influential!
    Millions, upon millions of views on his content, vastly out stripping the paltry mainstream cultures' attempts.
    You see, the MSM groups are so utterly dependent on their Broadcast empire for their power & influence, that this new media group represents a significant challenge.

    Anyway, here is my protest video, and a brief description of my discovery of Alex Jones, back in 2000 and my assessment of him as a credible, sincere investigative journalist.
    Alex is not a member of the 'Hairspray' journalism school, he is a Texan, and a working man.
    I have not agreed, 100% with Infowars, but by heaven, they are a significant challenge to the dominant narrative builders, they are so frightened by Infowars, and so perturbed by its success they
    have conspired to bring it down.

    If Alex Jones is a tin-foil hat wearing crank, why are they taking him so deadly seriously?

    The game just got very real for many people, there truly is an 'Information War' being waged, and this is an act of war.
    We as people who are a little more aware, and probably a bit smarter than most among the public, need to support Alex Jones and add our voices to protest this intolerable paternalism!
    Intentions are the essential part, we can forgive many things if they intended in the right spirit

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    I agree with you Bill, Richard Dolan has impressed me over the years and I think he is one of the most potent voices for clarity and truth, the disclosure field occupies a broad range of topics and social matters.
    For what it is worth, I add my support to his projects. It is now very important that people such as ourselves double down on the push to gain attention, and to reveal just what is happening in this troubled world of ours!
    I salute you sir, and offer my own services and voice to the cause.
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    Default Re: YouTube, Facebook, Apple and Spotify all ban Alex Jones & Infowars

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    . . . . . there truly is an 'Information War' being waged, and this is an act of war.
    We as people who are a little more aware, and probably a bit smarter than most among the public, need to support Alex Jones and add our voices to protest this intolerable paternalism!


    Thanks Mike. You should be doing a whole hell of a lot more of that microphone speaking stuff, you are very good at it.


    The BBC is the Grand Master of spin and re framing issues on a tilt, and making it all sound intellectual and obviously correct.

    I was so exasperated listening to this while I edited out a few chunks that were about other things.

    It's the BBC Radio 4 Media Show edited down to just the relevant Alex Jones Banning parts of the 4 way conversation.

    You'll notice that a certain theme gets aired here. The idea of platforms like facebook and youtube becoming "Publishers" with editorial responsibilities, oh how crafty these BBC types are at this sort of thing.

    Here goes, have a listen to this:


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    Did Alex piss off his handlers? CNN is cheerleading the whole thing, but it seems the rest of the MSM is silent.

    Someone with the right tools really needs to cut the UFO stuff out of Dolan's video and reupload it. It could go viral! I would see it shared far and wide.
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    Default Re: YouTube, Facebook, Apple and Spotify all ban Alex Jones & Infowars

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Everyone should listen to this. This is Richard Dolan at his strongest, clearest, most passionate, and most articulate. It may be the best presentation of his I've ever heard.

    And it's by FAR the best summary on the net so far, on video or in text, about the Infowars censorship issue.
    Richard Dolan is indeed well spoken, and indeed makes an excellent defense of freedom of speech.

    However ...

    However, as I've posted above (see posts 20, 83, 84, and 91, for examples), I must disagree with what I took Richard Dolan to be advocating.

    Some questions to consider:
    * Would most of us here, including I presume Richard Dolan, oppose these removals of Alex Jones?

    * Would most of us here, including the forum mods/admins/founder, agree that this Avalon forum sometimes should remove members?

    * Would most of us here agree that whomever (whether individual as in our case, or some recognized group) owns a website should have the final determination on who is welcome on that website, and who is not?

    * What is the difference between Facebook and Project Avalon, that one should be allowed to choose its membership, but that the other should not be?

    * Why should Bill Ryan have that right on this Avalon forum, but not Mark Zuckerberg on his Facebook forum?

    * Who should decide what is the difference, which websites should or should not have arbitrary control over their membership?

    * Would it be you, me, Bill Ryan, Mark Zuckerberg, Richard Dolan, Alex Jones, or even Donald Trump who decides this?

    * Or would it be some obscure regulatory agency located somewhere near Washington, DC?

    * Who would control that regulatory agency: we the people, or the deep state?

    * Who partially controls, and likely sponsored from their inception, Facebook, Google/Youtube, and Amazon?

    * Could the "right answer" be that such a deep state concentration of power in a few corporations and agencies be broken into a thousand pieces?

    * Or is the "right answer" that we should choose between (1) some agency or (2) some corporation, for deciding which websites can arbitrarily ban members?

    * Would that be a false choice?
    My recommendations:
    1. Break up the institutions, whether "public" or "private", which carry out the agenda of the deep state.
    2. Break them into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the winds.
    3. It is the concentration of power, often covertly, that enables too few to reign tyrannically over too many.
    4. Disperse, localize, and minimize the powers that the state, and their private partners the corporations, assume over we the people.

    I have no "free speech right" to post as I want on a website; not on Facebook, not on Avalon. If Bill wants me gone, I'm gone (though granted, in my personal case, I have insinuated myself rather deeply into the administration of this website, so Bill would find such a decision rather inconvenient.)

    Nor does, in my perhaps unusual view, Alex Jones have a "free speech right" to post on Facebook (though granted the suddenness and arbitrariness of his removals was most rude.)

    I oppose these removals of Alex Jones from various social media websites, but not because the act (removal from a website) is violation of his free speech rights, rather because the actors in this case (Facebook, et al) are evil manifestations and agents of excessively concentrated power.

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    Default Re: YouTube, Facebook, Apple and Spotify all ban Alex Jones & Infowars

    I can't answer Paul's questions as a string of replies at all, but I get a definite feeling that what is the issue here is a juxtaposition of 2 opposite domains of reasoning.



    One seeks to elevate an assumed wise and well informed subjectivity above objectivity, and the other seeks to do the exact opposite.


    I'm torn between bits of one and bits of the other.
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    Default Re: YouTube, Facebook, Apple and Spotify all ban Alex Jones & Infowars

    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    Did Alex piss off his handlers? CNN is cheerleading the whole thing, but it seems the rest of the MSM is silent.
    Ratings may have something to do with it. Alex Jones' total daily ratings crush that of CNN, but are comparable to MSNBC or Fox. When your ratings are in the toilet as badly as CNN's, you'd probably say or do a lot of strange things to try to get more people to pay attention to you.

    And for the InfoWars app, it's still on the Google app store, and I heard that it moved up to the fourth most downloaded news app after Alex was deplatformed. It's only behind Twitter and two other apps I don't remember now, in the news delivery category. It will be interesting to see if Google removes that app next, or leaves it up. I don't use Google Play so I might be mistaken but it seems like it's only for Android devices.

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