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    That's why, in my estimation, that Alex Jones was chosen for this role ... he's divisive.
    ANYONE who challenges the status quo, or the abuse of power and vested interests, is divisive. That's almost by definition.

    Campaigners for the abolition of slavery were divisive. The suffragettes were divisive. Anti-apartheid campaigners were divisive. Death penalty abolitionists are divisive. Anti-abortionists are divisive. Even some vegans are divisive.

    Jesus Christ was divisive.

    But, yes, maybe he was chosen for his role, too.

    Joseph Farrell, Richard Dolan, Alex Jones, and yourself Bill Ryan, as well as myself, challenge the status quo.

    One of those five people is substantially more divisive than the others, meaning one of those five people raises stronger emotional reactions, in more (lots more) people than the others.
    Well, let's go on!

    Major vested interests tried to silence all the following. In many cases they succeeded, at least for a while.

    It's a LONG list. We're seeing the same thing here.
    • Martin Luther King. Gandhi. Nelson Mandela. JFK.
    • Copernicus. Galileo.
    • George Washington.
    • John Lennon.
    • Obi-Wan Kenobi. Luke Skywalker. Princess Leia. Han Solo.
    If someone speaks out passionately and articulately, gathering a following that's considered threatening by the status quo, it doesn't mean anyone's paying them.

    Maybe they're just doing the right thing.

    Nikola Tesla. Look how he ended up.

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    Not familiar with Youtube site, but video includes: Missile shot down in Hawaii, "Humongous" SWAT trucks in Washington and talk of predictions that came true.

    Also, some suggestions if you're a Q follower.

    Live chat open in video link.


    Quote Dutchsinse has Moved to twitch, which he says is indefinite for the foreseeable future. Dutchsinse has put blood, sweat, and tears into his channel and has unjustly been called fake news. Dutchsinse will be missed and I believe I speak for many, that we hope he returns, but we understand why he left.
    Streamed live on Aug 7, 2018:


    Video says "Please follow me on Twitch", but no mention of leaving Youtube.
    8/8/18 10pm channel update dutchsinse:
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    While the world argues about abstract principles, the biggest crooks on the planet press ahead towards their goal.


    We take our eyes off that ball at our peril. They even spin and manipulate our own talking points and principled red lines into obstructions to our ability to stop them.


    Sometimes, we just have to recognise that an unarmed man going up against an armed man isn't going to end well for the unarmed man, no matter how much smarter and 'right' he is. After all, those people got to be where they are through brute bastardry and are never going to listen to a well reasoned case for how to get the best out of humanity. They will only ever exploit the loopholes of human generosity and liberty we keep on building into our projection of our better future.


    It's perfectly clear to me that the structure they are building their new world order with is corporate unification. Just look at the 'trade deal' Trump scrapped. It included the blueprint for corporate domination over nation states.


    We have to shake off this largely American obsession with a mythically perfect free market governor of everything. It's ok if it's one family at a time earning it's way in the world on the sweat of it's brow. That's the idealists view that is like a religion and has long since been corrupted into something grotesque that is becoming more and more indistinguishable from a communist state. That's what those crooks do. They flip everything we think we want over into the complete opposite of it. They get away with it because the majority of people stick religiously to the simple principles that have been corrupted without thinking through the effects of having an intelligent adversary screw with everything we do.


    Where's the sanity in defending the corporate entity's business rights, just because they evolved out of hard working people earning a living, when that corporate entity has become the global control system ?



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    The war to destroy Alex Jones, Part 3

    by Jon Rappoport Aug 9, 2018

    (For Part 2, click here)

    When several big-tech companies remove a person from their platforms in a 12-hour period, which is what happened to Alex Jones, you need to ask:
    Where are the specific violations Jones is charged with?

    Where is the bill of particulars against him?

    Where is the “hate speech” he is accused of spewing to his audience?

    What definition (if any) of hate speech is being used as a measuring stick?
    Asking those questions, you come up very short on answers.

    Jones is being made into a SYMBOL of a hater by social media and the mainstream press—and when THAT is the objective, the whole idea is to avoid specifics and just smear the target with a very broad and general brush.

    “Hate speech” is replacing the 1st Amendment as a standard of judgment. The question now is: did you express hate toward someone? Rather than: did you commit slander or libel?

    Did you utter something that could offend and might disturb a victim or victim-group? Yes? YOU’RE BANNED. CENSORED. Of course, social media giants decide what constitutes hate and who is designated a victim-group with “protected status.”

    The term “hate speech” is very elastic. Its definition can be changed on a moment’s notice.
    Don’t like someone?

    Upset at their actual ideas?

    Disturbed at their success?
    Embroil them in charges of being a hater and expressing hatred toward victims. Ban and censor them from online platforms based on that accusation. Ignore millions of their words—instead, invoke a few outbursts they committed over the years.

    And finally, make the conversation all about whether the accused—in this case, Jones—is good or not, is honest or not, is caring or not, is worthy or not—AS IF THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD DECIDE WHETHER BANNING JONES FROM ONLNE PLATFORMS WAS A CORRECT ACTION.

    This is the ultimate diversion and distraction, for increasing numbers of the dumbed-down public.

    And toss the brain-challenged a bone—permission to HATE THE HATER.

    “You see, in this case, it’s OK to hate, because the target is a hater. So go to it, express all that bottled-up emotion. Have a field day.”

    “With every molecule of hate you express, you change the meaning of the Bill of Rights and the 1st Amendment. And this is exactly what we need: a new society based on less freedom and more goodness.”

    Less freedom, more goodness.

    If you buy that package, I have condos for sale on the far side of the moon.

    Here are links you to go to, to listen to the Alex Jones shows now:
    Live stream: 9am to Noon ET:
    http://streams.infowars.com/realnews

    Live stream: Noon to 4pm ET:
    http://streams.infowars.com/alexjones

    Live stream: 4pm to 7pm ET:
    http://streams.infowars.com/warroom

    Additionally, here:
    https://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/
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    States Rights........AND......Where is Teddy Roosevelt when we need him?!!

    How DOES one stop the global corporatism that is already in force?! Those with the power & money don't really "care" about us little people. To me, it is very encouraging that so many "little people" ARE speaking up!

    And.....Puleeeeese don't change the way Avalon operates! We all need to continue our education!!

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    If someone speaks out passionately and articulately, gathering a following that's considered threatening by the status quo, it doesn't mean anyone's paying them.

    Maybe they're just doing the right thing.
    Ah - you're considering whether or not they are saying and doing the right thing !

    That seems to scarcely matter, in this game of divide and conquer that the elite bastards continue to play, millenia after millenia, with us as the pawns.

    Yes, their game is not the only game in town. Yes, being right matters too.

    I'm not suggesting or hoping that Alex Jones will take a "Richard Dolan chill pill."

    I am suggesting that to the extend that we can see what's going on, often at several levels, often "right" on one level while "outrageous or evil" on another level, we can reduce the chances of our being unwittingly suckered into adding our energy to something outrageous or evil, because it appeared (perhaps falsely) as right on another level.

    In the practicalities of the present moment, the above means to me, among other things:
    • beware of newly proposed laws or regulations, and
    • keep your eye on other major problems, such as the CIA-FANG mafiosa, and
    • if something BIG is going down, "they" might weaken/distract alt-media first.
    No doubt some minions of the evil bastards seek to gain greater control over the Web, and if they can do so in the name of "protecting free speech", that's all well and good, from their perspective. The ends (regaining more control of the Web) would easily justify (in their mind) the means (stirring up outrage by violating the free speech rights of a few Web personalities.)

    Meanwhile, all this Sturm und Drang helps to hide the massive leverage that the CIA, DARPA and related intelligence, political, media and financial interests have built up, by sponsoring the growth of a new Internet Oligarchy, the Robber Barons of the Web, aka "FANG" (Facebook, Apple, Netflix, and Google) ... though Amazon might be more worthy of being on that list than Netflix ... perhaps it should be the FAAG list, not the FANG list ... but that acronym would be too edgy.
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    Quote Posted by Michelle Marie (here)
    Oh, that "stop Russian meddling" excuse is already tired, old, and transparent.
    For us, yes, tired, old and transparent.

    But for my California liberal family, if the mid-term elections turn out significantly worse for the Democrats than what the main stream media and polls predict, then the explanation that "the Russians did it, just as they did in Trump's 2016 election" will make plenty of sense.
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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    Wow! Seven pages in and not one person has voiced the possibility that this is all in the name of restoring his dwindling credibility courtesy of temporary martyrdom.
    Well that would imply Alex Jones working together with Google, Apple, and the others on some level. I'm open to the idea of him having military intelligence or the Netanyahu faction of the Israelis behind him, but I'm not seeing the connection to these others, who are much closer to China today.

    Another complication: China is beginning to fracture internally into different factions as well. There was just an article on Zero Hedge today about how this could be evidence of the US gaining ground in the trade war, as some in China are now saying their nationalist economic push was too aggressive internationally, and is what forced the US into this position in order to defend itself. I would agree that that's a pretty accurate assessment.


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    Public fora, which is what social media basically is, was not invented by the internet. I think back to St. Paul preaching early Christianity on his stone block in the plazas of Corinth long ago. That was the platform of ancient times. Everyone had a right to occupy that block, and say whatever they wanted on that block; by the same token, everyone listening, standing nearby, had the equal right to accept, believe, or reject whatever they heard from that block.

    The only really difference today is, that stone block, as a medium, reaches to the stratosphere, and the voice it projects carries across the world. Never in the history of human kind has a platform wielded this degree of power over minds and opinions. What was once a local phenomenon is now global, hence the headache for the powers that be. They could not help but interfere with it!

    But some interference is necessary. There should always be reasonable moderation – but not by the platforms themselves in my opinion. Because why should the CEO or a board of directors decide what we should or shouldn't access? By what moral standard would they make those decisions? Of course, I'm 99% sure they don't really make any decisions of their own anyway. They only follow the orders of those in the shadows.

    Where there's power to be exerted, dark tentacles always appear. If Project Avalon was a giant platform with a billion subscribers, you can bet your house that dark tentacles would surface here, pushing buttons, pulling levers, trying to exert control. And throwing lots of lots of cash at those behind the scenes. I'm fully confident that the power to resist – by Bill and the team – would far exceed the temptation to submit, and Avalon would be safe. But the tentacles would try nonetheless, I've no doubt!

    But these corporate platforms, like Google, facebook, twitter, itunes, youtube, et cetera, have grown so huge they've become a monopoly. They're like cartels. What they provide is a public service now, even a utility, and should in my opinion be treated as such. Does that mean some sort of centralized regulatory control? I think yes, but only so far as how they operate and conduct themselves. Maybe a 'digital bill of rights' is the correct way to go; it's the only way to counteract secret agendas, corrupt practices, and 'outside' interference. Those dark tentacles must be cut! The two most important things such a bill should contain, in my view, are neutrality and transparency. These companies should have the right to control their platforms in any way they choose of course, but never the content.

    This bill should have another tier for all the non-corporate non-profitmaking platforms, like Avalon and millions of others: a guarantee, to retain the right to complete private control. PA doesn't qualify as social media, and only occupies a tiny subscribership by comparison. Internet niches like ours should be protected, and allowed to flourish by themselves.

    Naive and idealistic perhaps...but I will always believe in the general principle that he or she who climbs up on the block should rise and fall by the words they speak, as interpreted by their audience. It should never be by some suit sitting on a board in DC, Langley, or London. Unless of course one is inciting violence, or actually breaking the law. Then it becomes a matter for the authorities, like with any other crime.
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    I asked SIRI to tell me about Alex Jones - it pointed me to pscp.tv

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vOxwVgozqMJB?...nes%22+message

    It says 18 minutes for his video.


    It has a current video/audio dialog from Alex.

    I think it is worth a listen to hear what he himself is saying. See what you think.
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    Alex Jones' Infowars.com reports other websites are shutting him down as well. An article at https://www.infowars.com/the-list-pl...and-alex-jones states:

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    Tech monopolies are scrambling to send every last trace of Infowars down the memory hole.

    So far, the following companies have declared war on free speech:

    Facebook
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    Pinterest
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    LinkedIn
    Flickr

    Be sure to check back – this list is being constantly updated.

    In many cases, we were never notified we’d been banned, or we were informed we’d violated terms of service, while never provided examples of our alleged offensive content.
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    The article goes on to provide a few specifics, though not for all the above listed sites.
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    I see this action in particular and this kind of censorship to be a massive shortsighted strategic mistake by thoses that rolled this out. It will have the opposite effect desired in the medium term. And like everything else that has been engaged in since 9/11 will eventually serve the purpose of waking ever more people up over time.

    Its a very very risky high stakes game that's being played and exposure becomes exponentially more likely as motives Are beyond apparent on this one...
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    Quote Posted by David Trd1 (here)
    I see this action in particular and this kind of censorship to be a massive shortsighted strategic mistake by thoses that rolled this out. It will have the opposite effect desired in the medium term. And like everything else that has been engaged in since 9/11 will eventually serve the purpose of waking ever more people up over time.

    Its a very very risky high stakes game that's being played and exposure becomes exponentially more likely as motives Are beyond apparent on this one...

    That medium term had better be less than three months.
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    Well, this is a coincidence. I decided I wanted to watch a film on Amazon prime and asked for documentaries. The first one I was interested in, without seeing the names first, was "State of Mind: The Psychology of Control" and the names listed was Alex Jones, Colin Ross and Craig Roberts.

    So, it is a choice.

    I actually started watching and it is very relevant to the discussion in this thread.
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    Oh, that "stop Russian meddling" excuse is already tired, old, and transparent.
    For us, yes, tired, old and transparent.

    But for my California liberal family, if the mid-term elections turn out significantly worse for the Democrats than what the main stream media and polls predict, then the explanation that "the Russians did it, just as they did in Trump's 2016 election" will make plenty of sense.
    Yes, I understand how it would make sense to them.

    They might look deeper into things when they get hit with truth the hard way. I'm sorry about the rude awakening that will befall those who bought the narratives. I really am. To me, it seems immanent.

    Just today when I was talking to a friend who is awake and aware in some areas, she confessed that when I told her my story about inculcation and false flags in the schools, that this was the first time she heard anything about them being staged. But I was not saying it to convince her. I didn't know that she didn't know. I was just speaking from my heart about my own experience. I'm sure she doesn't understand the whole thing yet, but it planted some seeds in her mind.

    She is in my activist group about Smart Meter and Smart Grid education and pushback.

    I just told her that I'm sure she is also aware of things I'm not aware of, and that's why we need to share.

    Maybe if we just find a common connection first, people will be open to learn more...at the teachable moment, that moment of receptivity.

    We did not talk about "The Russians"!

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    are we surprised?- the steam roller of censorship continues on- who's next?
    My hope is that it's everybody online who makes hate filled claims about parents whose children have been murdered, saying that the grieving parents are being "actors" involved in a hoax.

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    are we surprised?- the steam roller of censorship continues on- who's next?
    My hope is that it's everybody online who makes hate filled claims about parents whose children have been murdered, saying that the grieving parents are being "actors" involved in a hoax.

    Well then, you must strongly approve of these two actions.
    A serious note. Please discuss Sandy Hook issues on this newly merged megathread. (14 threads into one, now 44 pages long)



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    are we surprised?- the steam roller of censorship continues on- who's next?
    My hope is that it's everybody online who makes hate filled claims about parents whose children have been murdered, saying that the grieving parents are being "actors" involved in a hoax.

    Well then, you must strongly approve of these two actions.
    A serious note. Please discuss Sandy Hook issues on this newly merged megathread. (14 threads into one, now 44 pages long)


    Well, if they push the lie that Sandy Hook was a hoax, with no murders and only actors being involved, then yes, indeed, I strongly approve.

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    are we surprised?- the steam roller of censorship continues on- who's next?
    My hope is that it's everybody online who makes hate filled claims about parents whose children have been murdered, saying that the grieving parents are being "actors" involved in a hoax.

    Well then, you must strongly approve of these two actions.


    A serious note. Please discuss Sandy Hook issues on this newly merged megathread. (14 threads into one, now 44 pages long)




    Well, if they push the lie that Sandy Hook was a hoax, with no murders and only actors being involved, then yes, indeed, I strongly approve.

    B.
    I thought you'd say that.

    So, by your logic, it's fine for us to close your account here, because we think your narrative is incorrect? (And, I should clearly say, I do.)

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    are we surprised?- the steam roller of censorship continues on- who's next?
    My hope is that it's everybody online who makes hate filled claims about parents whose children have been murdered, saying that the grieving parents are being "actors" involved in a hoax.

    Well then, you must strongly approve of these two actions.


    A serious note. Please discuss Sandy Hook issues on this newly merged megathread. (14 threads into one, now 44 pages long)




    Well, if they push the lie that Sandy Hook was a hoax, with no murders and only actors being involved, then yes, indeed, I strongly approve.

    B.
    I thought you'd say that.

    So, by your logic, it's fine for us to close your account here, because we think your narrative is incorrect? (And, I should clearly say, I do.)
    If I ever post hate speech in this forum, then I would expect to be banned.

    B.
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