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    I feel this topic has been lightly touched on here over in the semi-recent past.

    I have had come things happen in my personal life that have brought this more to the for-front and believe it is a serious problem that is currently, and mostly silently occurring.






    I'm not sure what the answer is, but it certainly isn't "the patriarchy"... I think it's a further shattering of society that is extremely prevalent in western culture.
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    There seem to be a taboo created around the differences between masculinity and femininity ,and it goes way back to the seventies ,when i was a kid and feminism was on the rise here in the netherlands. I learned young to hide my 'masculine' tendencies till the point i was trying to act as an androgyn in my teens,to hide my heterosexual desires.This happened to a whole generation ,we had the androgynic pop and moviestars as our role models.Suggesting there were intrinsical differerences between men and women was old fashioned:it s all just cultural conditioning was the enlightened opinion those days.

    This has created a growing frustration and confusion about our roles as males in a increasing anti- hetero and anti- maculine society.
    I had this summer an experience when i was 10 days in Spain,Granada.I am used to dance and flirt with the ladies ,thats just part of the delicious Andalucian culture.In the 10 days i was there i' ve been 3 times violently threatened by lesbian girls telling me to f...off and they were quikly backed by a a little crowd,pretty scary.Its getting extreme and absurd and i wonder for how long this will continue to go on...
    On the positive side, i can see that there is more and more a search and slowly a reappreciation for the value of men who are allowing themselves to be-consciously- masculine and women who allow themselves to be-consciously- feminine.Probably its all about becoming conscious about these qualities for our personal lives and as as a collective,as opposed to the unconcious ,conditioned behavior of men who abuse(d) women (and men) through the power of their masculinity.Its silly to blame masculinity for the abuse of power,wich is always the real cause of the problem.Its like blaming the gasoline for a car accident,because it made the car drive in the first place...

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    I definitely think this is a part of out social programming. Our current social climate is based on victim hood and identity politics. I have watched the demonization of the white male for a long time and now see heterosexual black males and white male homosexuals are slowing being added to "the list". I hate to see males falling into this trap, but I do understand that buying into it might make life easier. This is a witch hunt based on the behaviors of generations long gone. What if each of us were to be held accountable for the behavior of our ancestors? We would all be out. This is the a time where emotionalism reigns and reason, logic and common sense are out the window for many. What better way to destabilize the culture than go after the males.

    I spend a lot of time watching the natural world. The different genders of each species have specific jobs in raising offspring. There is a distinct difference in each gender for most species. There is a reason for this. There is a duality in this world, a Yin/Yang , if you will. We deny this at our own peril. Human's have come to feel they are separate from nature and can decide their own fate. How is that working out?
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    I'll quote this extract from Robert Pirsig's masterwork of inspiration and genius, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. He's talking about the concept of Areté, which Pirsig (in one word) equates to 'Quality', but is also defined here as
    • ARETÉ (’αρετη)—in ancient Greek a term describing a maximum of ability and potency for action: a man’s effectiveness and skill in goodness.
    Here's Pirsig's description. I've genuinely never forgotten it, and I found it again in an instant. It's about what a man should be.

    The hero of the Odyssey is a great fighter, a wily schemer, a ready speaker, a man of stout heart and broad wisdom who knows that he must endure without too much complaining what the gods send; and he can both build and sail a boat, drive a furrow as straight as anyone, beat a young braggart at throwing the discus, challenge the Pheacian youth at boxing, wrestling or running; flay, skin, cut up and cook an ox, and be moved to tears by a song. He is in fact an excellent all-rounder; he has surpassing Areté.

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    Our societal system is not very supportive to organic masculinity.

    I feel this talk impressively nails the problem, via a tangent of philosophical discussion.


    in short:

    Responsibility and self respect are difficult to obtain as a modern man; yet so astoundingly easy when explained.
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    It is my belief it all doesn´t truly matter as long as we, as man or woman, find our true connection. Without our true connection we´ll still NEED someone else to tell us how to be, but will never be satisfying. Once we pulish and clear our own conection we´ll cellebrate diversity and this type of polarized topics will vanish. PLus being aligned or conected gives you the selflove and respect, worthinees we know we are and have. Stop looking for that respect or love outside or things will never change. do look inside and do love yourself becouse....nothing else matters
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    My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies. My method of dealing with this has been to be the one with the brains, the wise one with the good advice. It has served me well. I am well co-ordinated and possess athletic skills so that part of the masculine thing was no problem at all.

    When men start competing I might display some peacock feathers too but tend towards the sidelines. I never much liked men's way of talking about women, though. I don't like being controlled by my hormones to such an extent and have often denied my drive because I don't like being obvious. It has often confused me and caused problems. I didn't know then that women know if you like them way before you do...

    In many ways I have always found that male bravado treads a fine line between machismo and homosexuality. Sometimes it turns out to be the later.

    On the other hand there are those men who are such pure examples of masculinity that it is impossible not to be impressed and admire them, even want to be their friend - with no sexual overtones at all. One guy I knew wasn't a big man, but his masculinity oozed from every pore and women flocked to him as if drugged.

    Maybe young males might experience a softening of their masculinity because of the media and its androgynous campaign but I believe there are as many 'real' men as ever. It's in our genes.
    Why Not?

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    My muscles aren't big enough to do justice to the masculine thing. So, in my case, masculinity was always an issue. I am a forced beta male, with fierce alpha tendencies.
    Being an 'Alpha Male' has NOTHING to do with size, height, or musculature.

    Someone could be an Alpha Male in a wheelchair. (Look at some disabled sportsmen, and they clearly are.)

    It's got to do with leadership, ethics, courage, decision-making, example, attitude, responsibility, often fatherhood and what it is to be a great husband, and also (I would strongly argue) sensitivity and kindness.

    NOT about what weights you can lift.

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    For all those who are interested in this important topic, here's a companion thread:

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    Stop looking for that respect or love outside or things will never change. do look inside and do love yourself
    Loving yourself is a very healthy thing to do. But pumping men full of estrogen analogues to feminize them is not.




    Check the list of ingredients on what you're eating, fellas.

    Soy is in everything from salad dressing to ketchup, to frozen food. All over the damned place.

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    I never eat soy, green beans or corn. Many plastics and some types of herbicides and pesticides contain analogues to estrogen and testosterone.

    And frankenfood is just nasty and unhealthy.
    Why Not?

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