Passenger plane stolen from SeaTac. What are the options?

[Hip Hipnotist]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
This non real pilot WAS a sim pilot as he stated in his transmissions with ATC. Seems to me this was 'suicide by intentionally
crashing a stolen aircraft'. No terrorist. No conspiracy. Just a wannabe real world pilot with some seriously loose propellers.

Do you have a video reference/link where he says he was a sim pilot please, Hip? I heard him say;

"I played video games before so I know what I'm doing a little bit."

Am well aware that an experienced Sim Pilot can fly a real plane. (There was the case of a teenager stealing a Citation Jet many years ago, altho not quite in the same league as a Dash 8).

I appreciate your flying experience vastly outweighs my own, and if "Q" hadn't mentioned it, I'd otherwise agree. (I don't know if you've been following the "Q" thread), but in the context of Q's post about it (above), perhaps we should be paying attention to it being something other than the MSM version of events.

Cheers

Hello, KiwElf.

What you heard him say is correct, "I played video games before so I know what I'm doing a little." I stretched my imagination ( I do that sometimes -- although if you think about the fact that this guy works around, is in, tows, fuels etc. airplanes that if he's playing 'video games' he's 'probably' referring to flight sims. ) Feel free to castrate me if I'm wrong. NOT!!

Case in point; some time ago I took an associate and his son, the boy being twelve years old flying. The kid had never been in an airplane much less fly one. But he was proficient on flight sims. With my supervision ( jeez, there's a frightening thought ) he started, ( couldn't taxi 'cause his feet couldn't reach the rudder pedals ) took off; fly, turn, climb, descend; fly the pattern and landed well enough to have passed a check ride. Well, perhaps not a flight check but you get the point. This 'kid' was more than proficient at flying an airplane. No, it wasn't a jet but I can't fly a jet either. Well, I could but I'd get my certificate pulled.

You CAN fly a real aircraft from learning on a simulator. And I'm referring to a home pc not a full blown, full motion super expensive airline training simulator. Is this true for anyone? Heck no! No two humans are the same. Two people with the same sim training could have seriously different results. But again, you get the picture.

Here is just ONE example of hundreds of aircraft available to flight sim enthusiasts and this is several years old. It's also similar to the one in question. You can get the exact aircraft in question if you search for it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c_pyJHsGwMw

And yes, you can do loop-de-loops, barrel rolls, knife edges, low passes etc. in a real aircraft from flight sims as long as you don't rip the wings off! And in my opinion this chap was LUCKY he didn't.

And if ya wanna worry yourself to sleepless nights consider this; sophisticated sims for home use don't stop at flight sims. Trains, tanks, nuclear submarines...

"Lions, tigers and bears, oh my!!"

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is there something about Ketron island itself? This could be incidental, but the island (site of crash) is apparently home to a children's psyche hospital.

"On Ketron Cottage, we have a full schedule. Every part of the schedule is focused on helping Patients learn and grow in a safe, caring, and effective place. If you are like most kids who come here, you have tough problems with thinking, feeling, or behaving; and have been through other programs or treatment centers.

We do our best to understand how you think, feel, and behave. We also want to understand ideas from your family and others who have worked with you, so we can be more effective for you."

Maybe it's more than it appears...

https://www.dshs.wa.gov/sites/defaul...m%20Manual.pdf

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Right around 2:00 in this video posted in the lst post, He comments: I would like to figure out how to get this pressurized or something so I'm not so lightheaded.

Is it possible he blacked out, or became semi-conscious. Also, I thought it was interesting that the guy on the other end didn't respond to that request. Realize he had lots on his plate, but even someone like me knows (or thinks I know!) that you can lose consciousness and if he's already lightheaded, doesn't that mean lack of oxygen?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-GzroZxwhJg

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
Right around 2:00 in this video posted in the last post, He comments: I would like to figure out how to get this pressurized or something so I'm not so lightheaded.
[ ... ]
...doesn't that mean lack of oxygen?

It was a strange comment. His altitude wasn't high, at all... he was only ever a few hundred feet above sea level, a couple of thousand at the most. There was certainly plenty enough oxygen, and he should have known that. That indicates he wasn't thinking clearly, for whatever reasons.

But it surely has to be possible (it seems to me) that he was on drugs or meds of some kind, or maybe just alcohol. His happy-go-lucky, super-friendly radio chat does seem to suggest that.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Put anyone in that situation, first time real world pilot or passengers where an aircraft of any size is performing erratic negative/positive g maneuvers and dollars to donuts you're gonna get light headed if not puke your guts out. In fact, if not mistaken I believe I heard him say to atc that he did puke.

And if he were to have 'blacked out' I doubt whether he would have recovered in time
to have prevented what eventually did happen. Not enough altitude.

And I'd agree with BR that he was probably 'on something'.

[KiwiElf]

Hi Hip,

Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. Thought I'd missed something amongst the videos.

Oh, you don't have to convince me of the "reality" of Flight Sims (or any others); I took my first flying Lesson at 13 (and could barely reach the pedals... or see over the panel either!), and over the years progressed to PP. The biggest (real) plane I actually flew was a Cessna 206.

I Started Flightsimming in the late 90's with FS98 to practice the real thing (remember those quaint little stick figure airplanes?? One needed a lot of imagination!) Have been a huge fan ever since, (I've been "mad about aviation/flying/airplanes" since before I could walk!) and like you, have a "hangar" of 100+ airplanes I would never be able to fly in real life, right up to Concorde. (The cold & dark start on that beastie is a BOOK!)

FSXSE is my flavour of choice; (and it's the primary teaching tool of Massey University's Flying Schools in NZ). I have P3D but not yet used (I'm still loading lotsa ORBX sceneries & the installer get confused between the two ).

(Did a thread on it here way back):
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Simulator-FSX

I did have the opportunity to fly the 737 simulator a couple of times (this is the real cockpit sim; you'd swear you were sitting in the real thing, with every button, knob, light & lever faithfully reproduced). Wasn't difficult at all! (Try the flight from Kathmandu to Paro, Bhutan... it works up a REAL sweat!)

But importantly, in the back of our minds, when we're flying a Sim, we know we're NOT going to be harmed, killed and even if we do "crash", it isn't real.

OK, back to topic. Bear with me... You like to "stretch your imagination", so do I, but I have a very "suspicious" mind as well LOL

IMO the "pilot" of this little excursion sounded like he was under more than the influence of KoolAid.

He may well have practiced on a sim (speculation on my/our behalf), and I'd accept he could have learned the startup procedure as part of his job, a FSim, or POH.

It's what came after that which bothers me; (how did he get to takeoff without someone stopping him?) Stealing a lightplane is one thing. Stealing an airliner is something else. That might be a lax security issue, maybe not.

The taxi, takeoff and actual flying is relatively easy compared to the landing; this guy sounds like he had no intention of landing (OK, that fits the MSM narrative of suicide, too)

And then there's the "Q" post:

"Missile" (not to mention it was a Q400) The Anon's on 8CHAN are doubling down on where the plane crashed. ie, was this guy, and plane, used as a missile? (All kinds of tie-ins there including remote hacks, & 9-11 if you wanted to go that far). The possibilities here really WILL make me lose sleep!

I don't know if you're aware, there is a HUGE push by the Deep State & FakeStream media to discredit "Q" and the movement going down as I type

I guess we're going to find out soon enough.

Cheers

[Hip Hipnotist]

Hello, again, KiwiElf.

In regards to learning how to start this aircraft ( or any other ) there is no way as part of their job a line tech ( I was one ) would be taught how to start an aircraft. In fact most FBO's ( Fixed Based Operator ) frown upon line techs entering aircraft cabins -- unless invited by the crew for whatever reason -- and there are some. The main reason why not to board an aircraft is simply because most line techs smell like jet fuel. And if they've recently emptied an aircraft's lav, more commonly referred to as a 'lav dump' -- well, you get the picture. So IMO he learned all he had to know from a flight sim to do what he didn't have to do to kill himself.

And I must admit, much to my embarrassment, especially here on Avalon that I know nothing about 'Q'. I'm guessin' I'm about to look into it.

BTW: It's mostly because of the sophistication of flight sim software and modern graphic cards that I don't fly the real thing anymore. That and the thousands of $$ I save in drilling holes in the sky not to mention my young earthly age.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I hope no one minds me posting this image here too, but it's relevant info:




If you can't read the small text, you can drag the image into a new tab or save it, in order to open and magnify it.

Long story short, looks like this may have been a distraction to destroy a rogue military element. The F-16s weren't intercepting the plane, but destroying a target.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Hervé (here)
...
... Seattle, eh!?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RSwTJMdaivI

Here's the first 15 minutes & a few extra transcribed snippets:

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone. I'm sure you can imagine how difficult of a decision this was for me to decide to speak out publicly and the support I've received has confirmed to me that I did make the right decision in of course it was very much needed given the severity of the problem that’s sweeping the country right now in terms of gang stalking and voice to scull. So I just wanted to take the time to say that. Yeah I am working at SIS. Actually I have friends and family members who are military and military intelligence and through them I had always heard you know job opportunities.

I thought about joining the Marines when I was younger when I was 18. I'm 39 now so over the years it was something I had always thought about and of course after 9/11, so many jobs were created in the defense industries homeland security. And what a lot of people don't know about is within private security domestically when it within the United States it's a booming industry. It’s one of the fastest growing sectors of our economy as generally, our society is being militarized and generally that militarization is being privatized and as a result where you have is many many corporations in the United States of American private companies that are getting a lot of money from investors under the table to begin to set up what I describe as a security apparatus around and within the United States of America.

And it is in that context that I heard of the opportunity to work for security industry specialists in Seattle, Washington, They’re a private security company that is headquartered in Culver City, California and through a friend I heard that SIS was hiring. I heard they were hiring for security specialists. And given my backgrounds in education which is actually anthropology and sociology. Most people don't see how those two connect but by studying human being you can really do well within the intelligence industry and within the security industry because it is all about learning how to deal with and talk to and communicate with and ultimately from our perspective secure human beings.

And so it was through friends and family that I learned about the opportunity. And I started off like everybody else as a low-level security guard, minimum wage, I worked my way up through the company over time and eventually was assigned to executive protection and threat assessment risk management.

And just to tell you a little bit about that when my official duties were was to secure personnel data and property of VIPs that our company is hired to protect. So there's a whole lot of training that goes into that and I became a security specialist for SIS specializing in executive protection also risk and threat assessment to our clients. Our clients are the companies or the individuals that we contract out with and provide services for.

And it was in that context that I became aware of what I described as a social engineering program and a research and development program that was being carried out by SIS and our clients in Seattle, the Amazon Corporation. And it was through moving up within the SIS hierarchy and working with more and more people.

As I was assigned to more and more assignments, I became aware of the existence of this program. and then little by little over time I became aware of the extent of it and it wasn’t long before I realized how horribly out of control it was. How downright evil it was once I began to realize that SIS was experimenting on its own employees my fellow security specialists, I was outraged. I later learned that my company was involved in a larger social engineering program that encompassed the entire city of Seattle.

That aspect of the program was experimenting on the homeless population of Seattle, Washington rural housing DES, Downtown Emergency Services Center facilities. And I later learned that they were indeed experimenting with, when I say experimenting, voice to scull, hive mind behavior modification technology, that is frequency based and directed at a targeted individual to basically control their entire person. And it was by moving up even more that I realize that this experimentation was going on against the general population of Seattle. And then just the average man and woman on the street, upper class, upper upper class and even the flat-out rich, were having this technology used on them without their knowledge.

As more and more implement information and details of the program became were made known to me, I became more and more outraged by it. And I spent a long time because I had many friends within the security company a lot of these people are great people. They’re very good people not everybody involved in SIS is directly involved in experimenting on people. They’re not all directly involved in gang stalking. I never was. I never partook in that but I did partake in training that deals with tactics and protocols that are used normally for surveillance and counter surveillance. But within that is the all of the information and the know-how that you need to be able to gain stock. And that is in fact, what they are doing.

And so over time I became outraged. I tried to play my cards right. Wait for the right moment and when I really just couldn't tolerate it anymore when I found out just how out of control it was I decided to object to my superiors in person. But within SIS specifically what happens is they are experimenting on their own employees.

So it's a long story. I'll try to get through it quick. But basically people are selected from all over the country. We’re talking other cities all over America they are selected for many different reasons. Often it is because they are isolate, they don’t have a lot of money, friends or family and they also tend to be people that are highly, highly intelligent. The aspects of this technology that they're interested in improving upon have to do with cognitive processes. Processing information and as a result, they want highly intelligent people to be targets of this program.

They also tend to target people who are into what I would call alternative research commonly called maybe conspiracy theories. People that disagree with the government. People there into researching things like 9/11. Also they are interested in people that are interested in technology. I have found a high percentage of targeted individuals to be people who either are interested in or have information on highly advanced technologies. Usually having to do with directed-energy weapons and frequency weapons. The exact kind of weapons that we're talking about here that are used in voice to scull and behavior modification. The works there's many other aspects to the technology but once these people are selected, they will have the entire gang stalking/voice - skull program run against them.

This is detailed in my article. But they will be organized. To start they will have career sabotage programs run against them to ruin their job. They will have character assassinations camp campaigns run against them in there neighborhood. They’ll be isolated from family and friends as those individuals are turned against them and they will be isolated slowly and slowly over time using the technology itself. As many of the people freak out understandably when they first don't know what it is. Oftentimes they end up going to psychiatrists and false diagnosis of schizophrenia, manic depression, delusion, delusional paranoid are rendered against this individual.

And it turns out that that's a loophole in the law that they are using to take away people’s constitutional rights. As once you are deemed mentally unfit to care for yourself, ie your depressed, delusional paranoid etc. They use that. The state or the federal government uses that as an excuse to come in and say that they have to care for you. So I would warn all targeted individuals out there please do not go to psychiatrist and allow them to render a diagnosis against you. Because that is a dirty trick they are using to take away the rights of people all over the country.

That’s a great question. I do not have direct knowledge of that personally in terms of an individual how they are selected. What I can speak to intelligently though is that each individual fits the general profile that I'm describing. They’re highly intelligent. They are able to be isolated by whatever means. They normally have some sort of a what I would, what I would describe as a free mind. They’re people that aren’t, you know, part of the crowd so to speak in a way that they think. You know, they're outsiders. They’re what the government would call dissidents or revolutionaries or people that may be a problem.

Some TI's have have said that this kind of profile that alt-TIs fits is empowered individuals and I would definitely agree with that but I cannot speak to how they actually identify an individual person. I think the general profile that I'm describing that fits the targets of this program is something that is generated high up within the program. We’re talking at the federal government level. We’re talking at the highest levels of this social engineering program or scientists from all over the country, and all over the world, they’re looking at someone’s genetics. They’re looking at someone's cognitive abilities. They’re looking at someone's genes. They’re looking at someone's DNA. They’re looking at people's social situation. They’re looking at people's career.

I've been very surprised that so many PhDs are actually targets of this program and are usually PhDs that have gone to great against the grain in terms of what academia normally teaches usually within the fields of science and technology and the reason for this is because people running the program want to cover up certain technologies in certain aspects of science that can lead through to tremendous, tremendous breakthroughs. These highest levels of science and technology are the sole purview of classified sectors of our government and military. And as a result, it is not the opinion is that the American people do not have the right to this information. And is in the national security interest of our country to keep it classified.

And so that is the answer to your question. What I will do those take this opportunity to distinguish really quickly between the larger phenomenon of TIs that is usually a person in America that's being targeted by the technology and as being gang stalked by members of their community and a specific program that I am whistleblowing on. Those specific program I am whistleblowing on involves the actual abduction of TIs from around America. They’re put on a Greyhound bus and they are shipped to Seattle where there are made homeless. They live in one of the homeless shelters where they are housed and experimented on with voices scull technology. And then they become and are funneled into SIS to work as low-level security guards. Where they are experimented on even more so that is a specific program.

And that's what I detail in my blog in my website. But because I am familiar with that program it utilizes the same tactics of gang stalking and the use of this technology against individuals of my knowledge on that program applies to what all TIs are going through the exact same technology and the exact same gang stalking tactics that are used against them.

In terms of numbers I know that there are right now at least three to four hundred individuals in downtown Seattle that have been abducted from all over the United States brought to downtown Seattle and are being housed in DESC downtown emergency services center homeless shelters, and being experimented on 24/7. The numbers of SIS employees that have been experimented on to my knowledge is in the dozens that's all I have direct knowledge of though about 24 to 36.

And then nationwide, the estimates in terms of targeted individuals who still maintain some manner of autonomy and freedom and have not been brought to Seattle or enslaved completely by this the estimates I have heard is anywhere from one to two million at the moment. And we're talking full-blown TI's that get the technology and are being Gangstalked 24/7. Those are the estimates that I'm familiar with the this is discussed very much in the open within SIS and with some of the liaison contacts that I had with the ESC Amazon and then also members of the military that are in a civilian capacity.

One thing you have to understand is that within the security business most of the people working there are ex-military and X intelligence operatives. And many of them in fact are still active intelligence operatives. And have simply been reassigned to domestic duty to work with a private security company specifically for the purposes of carrying out this highly illegal program that's being run against TI all over America.

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15:37 “…done very covertly to the point where the person it's being used against will not know that this technology is being used against them and … this technology could potentially being be being used against tens to hundreds of millions of Americans every day…”

16:00 “…there are field effects where they will not direct this technology at an individual but create a general field of frequency in a geographical area so that everybody that within that geographical area is feeling the effects of the technology. It’s more of a general application of the technology instead of an individual specific application of the technology. But when you consider that use of it and the fact that it is used for emotion and thought and behavior modification that we could potentially be working at many many millions of people across the country they're under the influence of the technology today right now.”

“…within this general field they can broadcast a frequency that affects human beings within that frequency field and can induce a general mood of let's say happiness or sadness, anger, agitation peacefulness. And in this way they can have an overall effect in the city. I have seen this done. It is remarkable how effective it is because you will walk down the street of Seattle and literally see people all in a bad mood all at the same time and they do not know each other. And then you go over a block or two to a different office building and you walk in and the exact same things going on there.”

18:00 “…it can be used to induce riots for example or stop riots. It could be very very dangerous and it's a great point you bring up about traffic patterns and auto accidents. I mean this is messing with the inner most part of human beings their emotions…”

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
Hello, again, KiwiElf.

In regards to learning how to start this aircraft ( or any other ) there is no way as part of their job a line tech ( I was one ) would be taught how to start an aircraft. In fact most FBO's ( Fixed Based Operator ) frown upon line techs entering aircraft cabins -- unless invited by the crew for whatever reason -- and there are some. The main reason why not to board an aircraft is simply because most line techs smell like jet fuel. And if they've recently emptied an aircraft's lav, more commonly referred to as a 'lav dump' -- well, you get the picture. So IMO he learned all he had to know from a flight sim to do what he didn't have to do to kill himself.

And I must admit, much to my embarrassment, especially here on Avalon that I know nothing about 'Q'. I'm guessin' I'm about to look into it.

BTW: It's mostly because of the sophistication of flight sim software and modern graphic cards that I don't fly the real thing anymore. That and the thousands of $$ I save in drilling holes in the sky.

LOL I agree with that! Much safer (and cheaper!). The sophistication of both the airplane modelling and scenery (you can almost see your house!) is nothing short of mind-blowing.

My post above got interrupted a couple of times and I'm embarrassed to admit I started with yours & worked my way backward to read the other comments added since your earlier reply. All worthy points.

Yep, if he was drunk/drugged, performing those kind of maneuvers is certainly going to make him more lightheaded (and puke, and yes he said he had). As Bill & others have noted, there was no pressurisation issue and I'm surprised he didn't know that. (We don't need oxygen/pressurisation until we get up past 10-11,000 ft). He did mention he wanted to go check the other mountains; perhaps that's why. If he intended to fly over them, he would at least need oxygen.

I have to look into this more closely as I'm still not absolutely sure what his "job function" was.

You raise another interesting point: In NZ anyway, with large(r) aircraft (say, over 10-seaters particularly jets/turbines and definitely for a Dash 8), it's customary to radio the tower to advise a start-up (followed by the taxi). We have to radio them even if we're taxiing a few hundred feet from the ramp just to refuel a C172. I don't know what the rules are for the US?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
And I must admit, much to my embarrassment, especially here on Avalon that I know nothing about 'Q'. I'm guessin' I'm about to look into it.

Hip, this is the latest page (310) of “The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)”.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
And I must admit, much to my embarrassment, especially here on Avalon that I know nothing about 'Q'. I'm guessin' I'm about to look into it.

Hip, this is the latest page (310) of “The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)”.

Thanks, RD. I'm going to educate myself on this 'Q' thing. Jeez, do I really wanna go down another rabbit hole? I don't know if I can fit anymore.

[Hip Hipnotist]

"You raise another interesting point: In NZ anyway, with large(r) aircraft (say, over 10-seaters particularly jets/turbines and definitely for a Dash 8), it's customary to radio the tower to advise a start-up (followed by the taxi). We have to radio them even if we're taxiing a few hundred feet from the ramp just to refuel a C172. I don't know what the rules are for the US?"

No regulation(s) to contact tower upon aircraft start-up. Taxi? Yes. Any movement, yes. That's any movement including towing. Prior to towing any aircraft line techs ( or whom ever is doing the towing ) must get get clearance from the tower ( ground control ). However, upon start-up, always a good idea to yell, "get yer ass outta the way I'm crankin' her up!"

[O Donna]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
Right around 2:00 in this video posted in the last post, He comments: I would like to figure out how to get this pressurized or something so I'm not so lightheaded.
[ ... ]
...doesn't that mean lack of oxygen?

It was a strange comment. His altitude wasn't high, at all... he was only ever a few hundred feet above sea level, a couple of thousand at the most. There was certainly plenty enough oxygen, and he should have known that. That indicates he wasn't thinking clearly, for whatever reasons.

But it surely has to be possible (it seems to me) that he was on drugs or meds of some kind, or maybe just alcohol. His happy-go-lucky, super-friendly radio chat does seem to suggest that.

If he was being treated for bipolar or the like with a drug like Abilify complications include Orthostatic hypotension (feeling lightheaded possible) and Cognitive impairment.

Black box warning: Antidepressants increase the risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior in children, adolescents, and young adults in the short-term.

Antidepressants, often times taken in combination sure seems an unsettling road to take if indeed he was being treated. The truth is that even experts aren't completely sure how antidepressants work. There's just a lot we don't know about how the brain functions.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
And I must admit, much to my embarrassment, especially here on Avalon that I know nothing about 'Q'. I'm guessin' I'm about to look into it.

Hip, this is the latest page (310) of “The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)”.

Thanks, RD. I'm going to educate myself on this 'Q' thing. Jeez, do I really wanna go down another rabbit hole? I don't know if I can fit anymore.

I quietly follow along. Many of the videos on the thread I get through my YouTube newsfeed.

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
"You raise another interesting point: In NZ anyway, with large(r) aircraft (say, over 10-seaters particularly jets/turbines and definitely for a Dash 8), it's customary to radio the tower to advise a start-up (followed by the taxi). We have to radio them even if we're taxiing a few hundred feet from the ramp just to refuel a C172. I don't know what the rules are for the US?"

No regulation(s) to contact tower upon aircraft start-up. Taxi? Yes. Any movement, yes. That's any movement including towing. Prior to towing any aircraft line techs ( or whom ever is doing the towing ) must get get clearance from the tower ( ground control ). However, upon start-up, always a good idea to yell, "get yer ass outta the way I'm crankin' her up!"

Oddly enough, that's one thing I haven't (yet) seen here; no-one yells out the window, "clear" before they start. (We DO check first... very carefully! - Moving props & people aren't a good mix!)

@ O Donna re your bi-polar comment above...

Interesting. It might just be a "human psyche/oddity" (or programming), but when I let "non-pilots" fly the sim, they're not that interested in the actual flying; most of them want to crash it into something (the ground, water, building or another plane!) Not so with a simulated car or ground/water vehicle. Strange. (This guy [maybe] found out for real!)

[O Donna]

Probably incidental but does anyone know what he was referencing by saying "Damn it Andrew, people's lives are at stake here."?

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
Thanks, RD. I'm going to educate myself on this 'Q' thing. Jeez, do I really wanna go down another rabbit hole? I don't know if I can fit anymore.

In my experience rabbit holes come in all sizes/ sliding scale....

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Yep, if he was drunk/drugged, performing those kind of maneuvers is certainly going to make him more lightheaded (and puke, and yes he said he had). As Bill & others have noted, there was no pressurisation issue and I'm surprised he didn't know that. (We don't need oxygen/pressurisation until we get up past 10-11,000 ft). He did mention he wanted to go check the other mountains; perhaps that's why. If he intended to fly over them, he would at least need oxygen.

I know we are all implicitly assuming he was actually on board that plane, but I have been questioning that ever since I was listening to the radio communications while it was still a developing story.

Does he sound depressed/suicidal, like someone who is in the midst of committing suicide? I don't know, you tell me. My inclination is that he sounds rather relaxed and is making very casual and silly jokes with the radio operators.

Did he really have no flight experience? Look at the maneuvers he was performing for the better part of an hour, while making those irreverent jokes.

Are you all being distracted from the real show? Radio communications being released in real-time, all kinds of fancy flying to catch your attention, the tragedy of a suicide story, the mystery of "why he did it" and "how he did it." It's all very captivating... and no one is paying attention to the F-16s.


This is the same place where a missile launch occurred that caused Trump's AF1 to have to divert, when the missile warnings went off in Hawaii.

Remember this?






Rogue submarine missile launch from the exact same area.

It's now being indicated to us that this rogue submarine was the USS Richard Russell, decommissioned and supposedly scrapped some time in the Clinton/Bush era.

What were the F-16s doing? Can anyone prove that they actually intercepted the Q 400?

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Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
Thanks, RD. I'm going to educate myself on this 'Q' thing. Jeez, do I really wanna go down another rabbit hole? I don't know if I can fit anymore.

If you're going to spend any time going down any of them today, it might as well be Q.

It connects all the dots and constantly explains ongoing events in a way that anticipates future news stories.

[O Donna]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
I know we are all implicitly assuming he was actually on board that plane, but I have been questioning that ever since I was listening to the radio communications while it was still a developing story.

That's a fair question. Maybe a less plausible storyline then a suicidal aviation employee but with advances in remote control flying not so far fetched anymore.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MoPU24d-hjo

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Remote control wasn't even new on 9/11.

NASA was testing remote-controlled aircraft in 1984.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=V3G9eC5TgHo

Watch the nose-cone hit the red target perfectly.