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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1837...9653469309427/

    It would feel it is "as expected from volcanoes", if all the images did look like natural volcanic causes, except that there are also the cases of images which look more like artificial fingerprints. The first video did focus on some pixels which could plausibly look like volcanic pixels. Yet some imagery now coming into view otherwise looks like toasted cars, once again.

    Are such pictures photoshopped or are these and countless other such videos unreal? Melted cars, incinerated homes, with shrubs and trees still intact. Hmmm. There have been so many such videos and photos posted, showing incredulous fingerprints, maybe a malevolent technology. The agendas never outdone, greed writing history, double speak, all like acts of warlike gods.

    PS- somehow the image of this post won't come through, possibly copyrighted or some such, but it shows toasted homes.
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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    High winds apparently have been responsible for the Fires.

    Truly an act of God, and the California Power and Light company's power lines being the tool.

    Excerpts below from a Mercury News report:

    STATS

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    Fire started near the Poe Dam early Thursday morning due to power lines issue

    Paradise fire: 6,453 residential structures are destroyed.

    Paradise fire: 260 commercial structures are destroyed. There is a total of 6,713 structures destroyed.
    PG&E historic:
    During last year’s Sonoma and Napa county fires, within the first 90 minutes of the fires’ origin, Sonoma County dispatchers sent fire crews to at least 10 different locations for PG&E downed wires and problems with the electrical system amid high winds.

    This week, at about 6:33 a.m. Thursday morning, on the 8th of November, 2018, firefighters were dispatched to a vegetation fire “under the high tension power lines” across the Feather River from Poe Dam.

    California Fire officials have pinpointed the fire’s origin, according to the radio transmissions monitored. The first firefighters arrived there at 6:43 a.m and noted the fire was being buttressed by 35 mph winds.

    “We’ve got eyes on the vegetation fire.

    "It’s going to be very difficult to access, Camp Creek Road is nearly inaccessible,” one firefighter told dispatch. “It is on the west side of the river underneath the transmission lines.”

    As firefighters rushed to Poe Dam early Thursday morning, each truck acknowledged over the radio, “Copy, power lines down,” as part of safety protocol for firefighters.

    The utility, which already has been criticized and sued in a number of other large and deadly fires across California, had announced two days earlier that it might shut down power to parts of Butte County amid forecasts of high wind and low humidity.

    But it never did.

    California Fire spokesman Scott McLean emphasized the cause is still under investigation but added that the probe would include “electrical equipment.”

    PG&E disclosed in a Friday filing to the state Public Utilities Commission that it had detected an outage on a transmission line in Butte County, occurring about 15 minutes before the fire was first reported.

    It said a subsequent aerial inspection detected damage to a transmission tower on that same transmission line a mile northeast of the town of Pulga “in the area of the Camp Fire.” That is the approximate location of Poe Dam.

    PG&E faces billions in potential liability because of the role of its power equipment in other destructive wildfires, including those last year in the Wine Country.

    At around 6:33 a.m. Thursday, firefighters received a call from Poe Dam that a vegetation fire started under the high tension power lines, above the Feather River. The caller reported downed power lines and firefighters first on scene found a 10-acre blaze nearing brush and timber not maintained by PG&E. The firefighters asked dispatch to evacuate the town of Pulga, immediately southwest of the dam.

    Meanwhile, at 6:34 a.m. and about eight miles west, another fire crew was dispatched to a report of a tree branch taking down residential power lines in the neighboring town of Magalia.

    During last year’s Sonoma and Napa county fires, within the first 90 minutes of the fires’ origin, Sonoma County dispatchers sent fire crews to at least 10 different locations for downed wires and problems with the electrical system amid high winds.
    PG&E was supposed to shut down power due to high winds as a precaution, however they decided not to.

    Quote PG&E released a statement Thursday afternoon, almost nine hours after the Camp Fire first sparked, calling off the shut down “as weather conditions did not warrant this safety measure.”

    “We want to thank our customers for their understanding and for their actions in preparation of a possible Public Safety Power Shutoff,” Pat Hogan, PG&E senior vice president of Electric Operations, said in the statement.”

    We know how much our customers rely on electric service, and we will only consider temporarily turning off power in the interest of safety and as a last resort during extreme weather conditions to reduce the risk of wildfire.”
    Apparently they didn't consider what that action of leaving the power on would do..


    PG&E has been cited by the State of California and other agencies for safety violations. https://violationtracker.goodjobsfir.../pg-and-e-corp

    PG&E allowed 500,000 tree/vegetation violations to go unchecked. Trees and vegetation need to be removed from power-line right-of-ways.

    If the tree branches touch the high tension power lines, there will be a fire.

    Trees must be removed from the power-lines-right-of-way. Apparently PG&E doesn't remove all the trees in "cost savings". Nor do they shut down power for customer "convenience" even when conditions warrant safety should come first.

    Also during high winds, power lines themselves can sway, and touch, or come down (break). The result is a fire. https://firejustice.com/pge-allowed-...tree-trimming/

    http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/General.aspx?id=1965 - more of the electrical citations issued

    IF PG&E shut down power at the first sign of an issue, chances are this disaster would not be happening, in MULTIPLE locations in California. Chances are IF PG&E properly maintained the power-line-right-of way passage by remove ALL trees which may touch or bump into the power lines, this disaster would not be happening.

    This appears to be gross negligence on PG&E's part, not a "terrorist" event.
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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

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    The current fire map for the Paradise/Chico area - it has spread and continues to spread. Winds need to stop, rain if it is possible is needed..






    Camp Fire: 9 people now reported dead - 35 are missing. 90,000 acres have now been involved in the fire. 6,453 residential structures are destroyed. 260 commercial structures are destroyed.

    There is a total of 6,713 structures destroyed.

    Over west, by Malibu south and east, 250K people now have evacuated. This is a potential disaster.

    A miracle or three is needed..
    is it normal that there are green trees around the burned house????
    Wishing every one to recover from this as fast as possible, specially our sister Sierra. Much love
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    This is a terror attack, agenda 21.... the fire may be wils in nature but this ain´t wild. People be save ( Sierra huge hug for you and your beloved ones), much love.
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    Looks like there was an explosion which set this fire off. Powerlines now makes sense. Take no notice of dramatic video title, but watch the video to see detailed worldview images of the beginning of this dreadful event.
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    This is a terror attack, agenda 21...
    No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by downed power transmission lines that fell on very dry vegetation.

    The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So dumb, and so, so unfortunate.
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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    This is a terror attack, agenda 21...
    No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by downed power transmission lines that fell on very dry vegetation.

    The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So dumb, and so, so unfortunate.
    A little more on this. There's a revealing update here. This is still being investigated, of course.
    Of course, the climate-change connection is that the entire area was already tinder-dry after months of almost no rain, and then high winds (which have been forecast to resume tonight CA time) did the rest.

    This doesn't mean that the other fires were started the same way — of course. Just this one.
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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    This is a terror attack, agenda 21...
    No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by a downed power transmission line.

    The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So very dumb, and so, so unfortunate.
    WHAT. What happened to the moral pitfalls of 'believing without evidence'....?

    Countless transformers have fallen on drought dry trees before in firefighting history. Any career CA firefighter will tell you things are happening regarding the behaviors and aftermath of these fires they've never seen before for which they have no explanation.

    Fires don't move 80 football fields a minute ('Camp' fire report). Houses don't burn in exact half (Redding). Raging fires in 70mph winds that take out 5300 homes don't include stopping in a 300 yard straight line across a ball field (Cardinal Newman High School, Santa Rosa.)

    I have no answers, I have mountains of specific questions and images, starting with the 5 year engineered drought to set the stage. I think they learned a lot from last year's trial run in Santa Rosa for both starting these and covering their suspicious tracks much more 'plausibly' than last year.

    The 'neverlosetruth' lady in the first video below suggests this time, besides the chemtrails filling the air to aid the fire spreading, that accelerants could have also been laid in the intended path.

    The beyond gross social engineering being coordinated to these fires with the scripts being given to reporters to repeat 'new normal' 'new normal' 'new normal' and playing down the devastation in lieu of feel good escape stories.... and more... reeks of coordinated agenda.

    I suspect it's no accident of nature that all this smoke was torpedoed in a narrow funnel toward the Bay Area and am very concerned about what other toxins are in this smoke trapping and choking millions in it over 100's of square miles for days.

    I remain in HIGH observation mode.





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    @waves - the firefighters WERE visually seeing the downed power-lines right at the location of the fire and the PG&E company reported an outage (downed lines) 15 minutes before a local called in what they saw. Visual physical (the wires themselves) evidence is adequate when trained fire inspectors determine the cause.

    The issue is poor maintenance, and failure to shut down power in high winds where there is a risk of lines going down, trees coming in contact, lines contacting each other, or old equipment exploding.

    Why they don't do the proper maintenance should be asked, why are they allowed to have wires that can short out in highly dry tinder and not increase the right-of-way clearance of dry foliage. If there is a conspiracy one should check out their management (PG&E) and who is supposed to be the oversight group giving them a free-pass to violate numerous safety laws.
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    There is SOMETHING very insidious going on in California... I have lived here my entire life... We have chemtrails everywhere.. Politicians deliberately sinking the ship... We have new fires coming up with the intensity that we have never seen the likes of. My mother almost lost HER home a few years ago. And she had to evacuate. I have been on my property since 1996, and during that time, my once lovely property, full of fruit trees, lush grass, and herbs and spices has turned into a dry and barron wasteland, no matter what we did to keep it alive. And I mean we had some BEAUTIFUL growth. We had Walnut trees, a large Chestnut tree, two cherry trees, pear trees, an apple tree, grape vines, rosemary bushes all around, the list goes on... and the ONLY thing that is surviving now, is the blackberries and box hedges. The trees are falling apart... Large branches just falling off of them, the grass dying, the soil underneath dry like concrete, no matter how much we aerate and water. The grapevines died off, the rosemary faded back, and we are struggling to keep the grass green! It is almost as if someone poisoned the land... Via the air... If a fire came rushing through now? It would take all that out... or what's left of what was once lush and healthy. It is heart breaking. The soil no longer absorbs water, but is causing mudslides everywhere. Something very unusual is going on, and it can't be a fluke of nature. While we sit in our homes working to meet the mortgages, we can't be so sure that there aren't people in back room offices suggesting.. "Well, if we just get rid of this portion of the state.. we can do THIS".. Believe me, nothing would surprise me anymore. Not everyone thinks like we do... Simply KNOWING this, doesn't help, DOING something about it does. But what do we do? It's a mess... People better start considering what they're going to do... Because this isn't going to get any better if they don't!

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    is it normal that there are green trees around the burned house????
    Wishing every one to recover from this as fast as possible, specially our sister Sierra. Much love
    Yes, it is common actually... When a fire is burning hot and heavy, and it catches a structure, it burns around certain things while it takes out the structure... and it burns that to the ground, almost like a rush of water over a rock leaving a void in the middle of the downside of a rock.. there becomes a pocket of safety in that tiny little area, as it burns around it.. When the fire is ready to move on, it doesn't take the path it was originally on, and then take out the tree in front of it, it kind of moves over to the path the rest of the fire continued to burn, because the structure made it lose its forward momentum... This leaves random things standing in the middle of a very ugly scene... Fire is very predictable... But very difficult to stop...
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    There seem to be several causes, and I don't think it's safe to discount DEWs because of the weird way these fires are leaving burnt out shells of cars, etc. and burning half of some buildings, leaving the other half intact, with some trees untouched while everything around them is in cinders. If firefighters have no explanation for these phenomena, there has to be something really unusual going on.

    Power lines certainly must be a big part of the problem, but that doesn't explain everything. Dutchsinse points out in his report from yesterday ( I think that's the one) that the big explosion that looks like a rocket coming up from underground also looks just like a volcanic explosion.(Certainly a more plausible explanation than a rocket.)
    (See Avid's post #26 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1259101 and the most recent reports from Dutchsinse on this page: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...80#post1258980.)

    There were tremors and new volcanic activity at that site, as well as at all of the other sites where the current fires started a few days ago, activity which the "experts" are not reporting, but which are characterized by heat, steam vents and smoke plumes at various times when there are tremors and quakes.)

    The ground there is much drier than usual because the earth is heating up underground, another contributing factor besides drought, chemtrailing, etc. and possible DEWs as well.

    Deborah Tavares of Stopthecrime.net http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...t=stopthecrime
    ...reports that she has seen documents showing Agenda 21's plans for various parts of the country which the elite want to take over, and that the areas which are being targeted by these fires are listed in those documents as target areas.
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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    I have lived in California for 52 years.
    Approximately 1/3 of the time in Metropolitan (S.F. Bay Area); 1/3 in mountains, 4500 elevation, and 1/3 in foothills, 1500 elevation
    All of these locations are in N. California.

    When I lived in the mountains, once we had to evacuate due to fires (luckily our property was not effected)
    Two other times we were put on notice that we might have to evacuate, but in the end didn't have to. (Keep in mind this is over a 25yr period.

    One year CalFire put out a call for any of those who had tractors, etc, who could help to please come forward. My husband and many of our friends responded. Because of our proximity to the fire and a major hwy, our 7 acre property was used as a staging site for those volunteers. Meaning every night they came back to our property to sleep and eat and then went back out to fight again. I heard many stories.

    For those who aren't familiar with Calif weather, we basically have two seasons: a wet one and a dry one. We get most of our rain between November and March and a little in April. Between May and October we get no rain to speak of. That's 6 months of no rain and (with the exception of the northern coast) we have high temps with weeks of triple digits. So by late August to November our land is like a tinder box that doesn't take much to set it on fire.

    All that being said, I have never experienced the type of fires that are happening now. These are beyond description here in N. California. Southern California always has had worse fires due to less rain, higher temperatures and the deadly Santa Ana winds which always come up around this time.

    Joseph Farrell's thoughts here:
    https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/10/st...came-stranger/ and here: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/10/na...rps-engineers/

    If you think what's happening is normal, you are kidding yourselves.
    Yes PG&E doesn't maintain equipment as they should - they didn't in the past either
    The Forest Service does not maintain the forests as they should, haven't for a long time, partially due to environmentalist interference.
    Many citizens aren't good about maintaining their property, this isn't anything new

    But the intensity and frequency of these fires is new.

    Recently on one of Dutchsinse's posts he connects the fires to seismic unrest here:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1258912 I suggest you read all the posts below as well.

    Is he on to something? . . . I suspect he is.

    And Bob, regarding PG&E not shutting off the power before the Paradise fire when they knew high winds were predicted. Three weeks ago high winds were predicted in our area. PG&E gave us notice (effected parts of 3 counties) and did shut off the power. That meant all businesses, schools, traffic lights as well as residences. I can not tell you the flack that they received over this. Apparently once they shut it off, they can't just flick a switch to put it back on so several days it took. Companies threatened law suits, etc. . . so they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Not that I'm sticking up for them, maintance-wise, just saying it's a complicated call. I'm sure if they had a crystal ball, they would shut down if they knew a fire would break out, but we get lots of high winds. Can you imagine if PG&E shut off power every time? Just saying, it's complicated.
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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    Yes it is just awful.

    Extremely dry and things become tinder just waiting for a spark.

    If one ever watched a high voltage line explode it is a brilliant bright flash as ground and surroundings are vaporized.

    As to what MAY be making more transformers easier to light up (explode), most certainly scalar tension from underground can contribute.

    Transformers which are perfectly good have been known to have holes punched into them by a strong scalar field coming into them.. I did that myself once in my old workshop, with a 110 kilovolt power supply.

    I had a small scalar system right above the transformer (dohh) because i wanted everything in line for the tests I was doing.. Soon as i hit the right resonance - BOOM - the transformer blew, as if someone had drilled a perfect 1/4 inch hole thru all the windings INSIDE the transformer.

    The outside of the case was unaffected.. The scalar focused on the CORE where the magnetic field was the strongest.. So yes, Dutch saying earthquakes playing some part, to be specific, the TENSION scalar fields from the faults all built up will generate an intense scalar field, and those apparatus with the strongest current running thru them will fail..

    It's still an issue with PG&E being allowed to have stuff which can fail, and that means catastrophic failure where there is tinder and fuel WILL lead to damage, beyond belief. It is a fact of life living in the mountains where there is POWER running.

    THE ONLY solution is to use BURIED cables, shielded and protected. THAT will save lives, and THAT is being overlooked because of the people involved saying we need to maximize profit.. That is their bottom line, profit, not lives..
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    This is a terror attack, agenda 21...
    No, this (the 'Camp Fire', that has destroyed the small town of Paradise) seems to have been caused by downed power transmission lines that fell on very dry vegetation.

    The rest was the wind + the ever-present fire risk from the lack of rain. So dumb, and so, so unfortunate.
    A little more on this. There's a revealing update here. This is still being investigated, of course.
    Of course, the climate-change connection is that the entire area was already tinder-dry after months of almost no rain, and then high winds (which have been forecast to resume tonight CA time) did the rest.

    This doesn't mean that the other fires were started the same way — of course. Just this one.
    I had already heard those live transmissions before what I replied to your first post and did not consider it reliable evidence for a conclusion.

    Those recordings were happily immediately provided yesterday by PGE, the guiltiest deepstate agenda facillitator and the least reputable source to believe for doing anything for any reason but their own interest. In this case, where a fire started is not any proof of WHAT started it there. There is zero evidence to us that any transmission line 'accidentally' falling started it. We do not know if it was 'helped' and plenty of reason to suspect it might have been.

    We can't forget our enemy is not stupid. How would you start this fire and plausible deniability stories if you were rich, evil and had all the media and most advanced technology in the world available to you? When you're smart, you adjust your methods from last year's mistakes.

    I am completely unconvinced that nature did all the rest, there's way too much evidence of foul play in how the fires advanced. There are way too many similarities with the other recent mass destruction abnormal fire behavior fires documented in great detail in other threads.

    Climate change - PLUS deliberate, destructive weather manipulation. The power to rain or dry or amplify wind anywhere was harnessed decades ago. We are becoming aware of long term weather manipulation to set up conditions to enact longterm agendas years later like these fires.

    Winds - Yep 'red alert' fear porn flooding all news outlets for two days now.... it reeks of plans rolling out with a pre-emptive plausible deniability story for the coming aftermath for wind that is going to be created.

    What I do know is that 1000's and 1000's of innocent, good hearted, harmless people who played by the rules were burned alive or everything they worked for wiped out by possibly the entity they dutifully paid taxes to all their lives, certainly by unnatural circumstance loaded with unanswered questions.

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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

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    @waves - the firefighters WERE visually seeing the downed power-lines right at the location of the fire and the PG&E company reported an outage (downed lines) 15 minutes before a local called in what they saw. Visual physical (the wires themselves) evidence is adequate when trained fire inspectors determine the cause.

    The issue is poor maintenance, and failure to shut down power in high winds where there is a risk of lines going down, trees coming in contact, lines contacting each other, or old equipment exploding.

    Why they don't do the proper maintenance should be asked, why are they allowed to have wires that can short out in highly dry tinder and not increase the right-of-way clearance of dry foliage. If there is a conspiracy one should check out their management (PG&E) and who is supposed to be the oversight group giving them a free-pass to violate numerous safety laws.
    We have no way to know that the power line wasn't 'helped' to go down, are we? It was the perfect location for a cover story. The transmission mentioned how extremely difficult to access a location it was and it wasn't ever reached before hell broke loose, was it?

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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    So let me understand this @waves, you don't believe a report from PG&E to the reporting commission that power went out (lines down) 15 minutes before a call came in from on-the-ground witnesses, and you don't believe fire inspectors reporting that they are seeing downed powerlines causing a fire? And you don't believe people on the ground, the witnesses? I find that an interesting viewpoint.

    I would prefer to go with the obvious, the weather has been extremely dry, and dry dead brush becomes tinder. Have you ever experienced camping with dry brush and had a spark from one's campfire light up the surrounding dry grasses? I've seen that happen, and called in fires from stupid people doing stupid things.

    Bill cited the reason for the fire. I cited data historically where PG&E company has been cited for power line fire violations.. exactly the same as these current fires. The problem rests with PG&E not doing proper maintenance and proper shut-down if they know their powerlines' right-of-way zones have dry tinder foliage within that "supposedly clear safe zone".. The issue rests there.

    Ask why were they allowed to get away with 500,000 violations? Ask why they considered people yelling at them for shutting off power as a legitimate excuse to allow for a potential disaster to happen. They are supposed to shut it down, and people then will complain. That is a fact of life. It is either that or things burn as they are now when the lines or equipment fails.
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    I have lived in California for 52 years.
    Approximately 1/3 of the time in Metropolitan (S.F. Bay Area); 1/3 in mountains, 4500 elevation, and 1/3 in foothills, 1500 elevation
    All of these locations are in N. California.

    And Bob, regarding PG&E not shutting off the power before the Paradise fire when they knew high winds were predicted. Three weeks ago high winds were predicted in our area. PG&E gave us notice (effected parts of 3 counties) and did shut off the power. That meant all businesses, schools, traffic lights as well as residences. I can not tell you the flack that they received over this. Apparently once they shut it off, they can't just flick a switch to put it back on so several days it took. Companies threatened law suits, etc. . . so they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Not that I'm sticking up for them, maintance-wise, just saying it's a complicated call. I'm sure if they had a crystal ball, they would shut down if they knew a fire would break out, but we get lots of high winds. Can you imagine if PG&E shut off power every time? Just saying, it's complicated.
    A few weeks ago we were warned in our area as well.. (Nevada County)... that we may indeed lose power. due to high winds coming. We got phone calls, alerts on our televisions, cell phones... AND WE PREPARED. Power us off if you need to! I am 15 miles in a straight line, to paradise.. That was our take on the issue... We have a generator, candles, food, and a means to cook it.. MOST DON'T PLAN AHEAD... We have motorcycles, and even the ladies know how to ride them... so if the area around us goes up we have a faster and more agile footprint.. We have pet carriers, and while that isn't the only things that we can do, it is a start... People need to stop blaming others and prepare for ANY emergency that can arise.. While we may have thought it an inconvenience to lose our power, someone else thought it was a huge threat. It amazes me that people are so incredible lazy when it comes to even looking out for their own well being... And so sue happy, when they ARE inconvenienced. Had they had their power terminated perhaps they would still have their homes, and their businesses.. Perhaps the power company knew something they didn't and they tried to alert the masses, but rather than be praised for the heads up? People got angry their candy was being taken away. There is no glory in doing the right thing is there? It is a very complicated issue.. People need to realize things can happen, whether deliberate, or accidental.. And be prepared for those things.. And what they plan to do AFTER those crisis points hit..

    I once tried to start stocking up in case we had an emergency. My husband laughed at me and began to dive into the stuff I was saving, rather than going shopping, which defeated the whole point.. People need to work together for such things.. Because we really don't know if and or when we will personally be confronted with such.. And when that day comes that you're challenged, it will be those that thought ahead, that fare well.. It all comes down to personal responsibility. Sadly the money fiasco makes it nearly impossible for most to plan ahead and actually get the things they need to survive a crisis, they're barely getting by... And that is by design, I am quite sure of it.

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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    Downed power lines doesn't explain the unprecedented phenomena that people are reporting including cars melted and burnt to ash, untouched trees surrounded by everything else reduced to cinders, half of buildings burnt to the ground while the other half is untouched. What explanation is there for these bizarre anomalies, which have even the firefighters without explanation?

    Dutchsinse's very thorough and logical report today on what's happening on the West Coast starting at 24 minutes in here:


    29 minutes in he talks about the deep underground explosion near the Oregon border.
    55 minutes in, all the gas and oil drilling operations in the Thousand Oaks area, which has been burning.
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