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    Please refer also to post 133
    However, Cheryl was one of the last out, has multiple incidents that were ‘unusual’ probably 2 weeks prior to fire ‘event’.

    After reconnaisance corporate helicopter, sudden winds plastering properties with snowflake-like particles including ‘morgellons-type’ worms covering her property. That with evidence of multiple warnings by email and phone messages that on Thursday there may be a ‘fire’ event - to prepare, have a plan, worried her a lot. Then she deduced that all exits from Paradise were compromised by fire.

    This woman is worth watching, she is religious, but in these circumstances each to their own, and if her beliefs helped her we should take note that positive thinking can prevail.
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    Here are a few images found supporting the agenda 21 narrative in connection to the video posted by Bill above.









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    This lady (Deborah Tavares) is supposed to be an insider that knew the fires were going to take place. She says she worked for the system and saw papers planning the fires. She also states that the Rothschilds had their hands in this due to companies they owned with weather modification capabilities.



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    The Plan To Burn Up California 1 ~ Deborah Tavares

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    This interview sounds like it's been around a while.

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    I'm adding Dutchsinse to my list of great people to have in on a roundtable discussion; though he's not a conspiracy theorist in the usual sense of the word, he has been very instrumental in getting the "experts" to finally admit that drilling ops have been contributing to the rising amount of earthquake activity.
    And regarding causes of the wildfires, he has been noting repeatedly recently, with clear evidence that there are "hotspots" on the weather maps which appear just before fires break out in the same locations, hotspots which are likely caused by underground magma or hot gases such as methane erupting to the surface. He talks about it yet again starting at about 11 minutes in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElsbwPl9Lk

    I haven't listened yet to much of this man's work: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxH...qA3rjDwLemtAKA
    ...but he's been compiling a lot of info on youtube from various sources about the fires's possible causes, such as here:

    ...I think he may be jumping the gun a bit and playing up the drama factor, ignoring more possibly "natural" causes (though the intent behind even those more natural causes may have been planned far in advance, as we are seeing, but things like increasing volcanic activity may be caused by conditions accompanying the solar minimum). Dutchsinse's explanation about the underground explosion being caused by magma is much more credible, imho, than Morales's, who goes on and on about it looking like a rocket shooting up from underground.

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    Great work on Dr. Farrell's part!
    Wouldn't it be great to have some online roundtable discussion including whistleblowers like Dr. Farrell, Deborah Tavares, Robert Otey, Richard Dolan and Linda Howe, with some callers including seasoned firefighters, scientists, eyewitness survivors with photos and videos of anomalies, along with the best of those aerial shots?
    I think the biggest obstacle in this case is that there are so MANY probable causes for the fires, it may bewilder people who haven't begun to understand how determined the elite are to succeed with all their insane agendas.
    But that should not be an obstacle to compiling as much evidence of as many causes as possible.
    At some point, if the evidence is overwhelming enough, even those who don't want to, will have to "get it".
    Of course, that's when the shock sets in, and that's a whole different set of problems to deal with, but it's a process.
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    I'm adding Dutchsinse to my list of great people to have in on a roundtable discussion; though he's not a conspiracy theorist in the usual sense of the word. . . . .. . . . he has been noting repeatedly recently, with clear evidence that there are "hotspots" on the weather maps which appear just before fires break out in the same locations, hotspots which are likely caused by underground magma or hot gases such as methane erupting to the surface.

    and/or Hot Spots created by HAARP hits.

    For those who aren't familair, some time ago Dutchsinse also showed mapping of HAARP hits and then how within days those areas would experience extreme weather of some kind (Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc.) They shut him down so many times that he stopped showing and mentioning HAARP in any way.
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    Right. Dutch was in touch with another youtuber, Tattoott, who took up where Dutch left off in tracing the HAARP signatures. Tattoott was pretty old and very ill, though, and I don't see his channel on youtube anymore. They're still trying to shut Dutch down these days for his sheer accuracy and audacity for taunting the "experts".
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    I'm adding Dutchsinse to my list of great people to have in on a roundtable discussion; though he's not a conspiracy theorist in the usual sense of the word. . . . .. . . . he has been noting repeatedly recently, with clear evidence that there are "hotspots" on the weather maps which appear just before fires break out in the same locations, hotspots which are likely caused by underground magma or hot gases such as methane erupting to the surface.

    and/or Hot Spots created by HAARP hits.

    For those who aren't familair, some time ago Dutchsinse also showed mapping of HAARP hits and then how within days those areas would experience extreme weather of some kind (Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc.) They shut him down so many times that he stopped showing and mentioning HAARP in any way.
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    Thanks Ba-ba-Ra, he had to stop as he was threatened. I remember his ‘haarp rings’ forecasts, probably now a misnomer, yet they were so accurate, probably saved many lives due to tornado forecasting.
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    From 4 hours ago, Kerry with Ole Dammegard, Deborah Tavares, Katherine Horton and more
    Project Camelot
    Streamed live 4 hours ago

    "ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION ON THE GLOBAL HOLOCAUST, TARGETED INDIVIDUALS, CA FIRES AND MORE..."
    Not sure where this should go, as I am just listening to it now myself, so it's fine if the MODs want to move it elsewhere.
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    DANE WIGINGTON – CLIMATE ENGINEERING TO BLAME FOR WILDFIRES


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    Published on Nov 20, 2018
    "Don’t expect to get the truth from the government or the mainstream media (MSM) that climate engineering is dangerous to humanity, let alone even going on, because climate engineering researcher Dane Wigington says, “Right now, there is an official illegal federal gag order on all of the National Weather Service and NOAA. If all of the consequences of climate engineering were considered, it is mathematically the single greatest threat we collectively face short of nuclear cataclysm.If we don’t address these issues, it effects every breath we take and the entire web of life, we are on an extraordinary short time horizon. . . . Climate engineering is not about the greater good.It is about keeping business as usual and keeping power in the hands of people who already hold it.It’s about confusing and dividing the population about the true state of the climate until the last possible moment. . . . They are hiding the severity of the climate to keep the population from panicking because the situation is so severe. . . . Here in the U.S., we are importing about $41 billion worth of food annually to keep the U.S. store shelves stocked to keep Americans pacified and clueless as to what is happening around the world until the last possible moment.It is that severe.”

    Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Dane Wigington, founder of GeoEngineeringWatch.org."

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dane-wigington-climate-engineering-the-single-greatest-threat-short-of-nuclear-cataclysm


    11/21/18
    "The apocalyptic fires of Northern California have killed 81, destroyed 13,000 homes and caused the evacuation of 50,000 people and counting. Dane Wigington of Geoengineering Watch joins Greg Hunter to weigh in on this holocaust and on the other sequela of high altitude aerosol spraying, including Alzheimer’s, which he says is from the bioaccumulation of aluminum by the populace.

    “Most people know aluminum is harmful, so they’re worried about aluminum in deodorants, in cooking utensils and so forth. Inhaled aluminum is exponentially more harmful and we are absolutely, all of us inhaling these particulates. Our lab tests prove it.”
    Wigington says that the population is becoming too cognitively impaired to even confront the issue, with average IQs having recently dropped by 6 to 9 points.

    He says that the official narrative, that the California fires are happening because the forests are not being managed properly is nonsense. “Let’s look at statistical facts. The forest of Siberia have been untouched for millions of years. In the last ten years, the burn rate has increased 1,000%…so that narrative is absolutely false.”

    He says “The single greatest causal factor that has set the stage for these epic wildfires all over the world is climate engineering. “This grid pattern spraying over…the Eastern Pacific, absolutely breaks up any storm formation and ensures no moisture will flow into the West.”

    In addition to the aerosol spraying, Wigington says that facilities similar to the now-shuttered HAARP experimental facility in Alaska are “transmitting massively powerful microwave signals into the ionosphere…[causing] an electrical chain reaction that creates a high pressure heat dome…that blocks all the rain over the West.”

    He says the environmental groups will not acknowledge the climate engineering issue for fear of losing their 501c(3) nonprofit status. Their fear ‘is so great that they won’t acknowledge the single greatest factor; single most environmentally-destructive factor…in regard to the wildfires…That denial is absolutely criminal.”

    He says that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is not releasing their Freedom of Information Act requests. “What do we know from the FOIAs we’ve already gotten is that the so-called forecasts all the way down to the local meteorological and meteorologist level is nothing more than a script and that script is being passed down from the very top; ultimately from…Raytheon, who is a geoengineering patents-holder involved in the geoengineering programs and they’re passing down the scheduled weather script and we know this again from our FOIAs they’ve stated they want the consistency and message over accuracy.”

    “There is an illegal federal gag order right now on all National Weather Service and NOAA employees…I want to state this on the record, so we don’t miss it…mathematically speaking, if all the consequences from climate engineering are considered, it is mathematically the single-greatest threat we collectively face, short of nuclear cataclysm.”
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    Now, for some conventional explanations of green leaves in trees standing around reduced-to-ash, smoldering houses:


    Explained: Unburned trees next to burned down structures as evidence of secret "energy weapons"

    Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by Mick West, Oct 16, 2017.

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    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkH5I0lXiFs

    Why do you sometimes see unburnt trees next to a burnt down house?

    Conspiracy theories would say that this is because the houses were actually vapourize with beams of energy from space. But the actual reason, as many people have pointed out, is simply that the wood in the houses is dry, and the wood in the trees is wet.

    If you don't use a wood fire in your house this might be a bit hard to understand, so I set out to do an experiment to demonstrate this.

    First stop was my attic, which, like most new houses in California has an internal frame of 2 by 4s.

    There was a bit of scrap wood left over from construction. The same wood as the frame of my house, so ideal for testing.

    Then out back to chop a live branch off a tree, and then I chopped both the attic wood and the live wood into pieces about the same size.

    Cutting to size:



    I then built a symmetrical fire from kindling and put the live wood on the left and the attic wood on the right. I lit the fire, and fed it more kindling when it went out.

    It was very obvious that the live wood never caught on fire, whereas the attic wood started burning almost straight away.



    The end result was that the live wood just got a bit sooty, and the attic wood was burnt through.





    [Update Dec 14 2017]
    A few people have pointed out there are other factors in my test besides simply water content, namely:

    Wood Density - The live wood is oak and the attic wood is a conifer, probably Douglas Fir. Oak is denser than pine, and is harder to burn even when dry. However it's also still a typical type of tree in California. Doug fir has a density of 33 lb/ft3, oak is between 37 and 56.

    Bark - The tree has bark, which protects a bit from the fire.

    Shape - A square cross section will burn better than a round one.

    None of this invalidates the point - in fact these are additional factors that show how the wood in a typical California attic is much more flammable than that wood in the trees around the house. The attic wood is about as flammable as you get, it's light, bark free, with sharp corners. And of course it's also really dry.
    Admin: This post is from Dec 11 2017, but summarizes some material in the thread below, so has been moved to the top and backdated for position.
    Post below show that this is not a new phenomena, but normal behavior in suburban wildfires:


    Z.W. Wolf said:
    Getting back to the subject in the OP...

    The 1961 Bel-Air fire...

    Zsa Zsa Gabor's house on Bellagio Place


    Cued to helicopter footage. Notice unburned trees and the two intact houses, both with a white roof. Most houses had a wood shake and shingle roof, (which were outlawed afterword). These two had some kind of non-inflammable roof.

    The latest episode on the 99% Invisible podcast, "Built to Burn", interviews a former forest service fire scientist who conducted experiments setting forested areas on fire and studying factors that determined whether buildings within the forest burnt or survived:
    He set about learning all of a house’s potential weaknesses — all the ways it might plausibly catch on fire. He did a series of experiments, including one in the late 1990s in northern Canada where he set an actual forest on fire. Cohen cut plots of forest and set them on fire to watch them burn.

    What Cohen found in the experiment was that an entire forest could be on fire, 30 feet away from the house… and nothing. It was fine.

    But of course, Cohen knew that radiant heat and flames weren’t the only threats to a house. There were also the embers. He frequently found himself standing next to houses reduced to ash with green trees sitting right next to them. It was a telltale sign that the fire front never even reached the home, but the embers had.
    If you are still skeptical, I recommend this documentary from 1978 on the 1961 fires, which shows in great detail how similar it is to the fires of today, but nearly 60 years ago.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlmEIj94fBk
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    I just want to intercede with a short personal statement. (And I suspect I may not be alone!)

    I don't know yet what to conclude. But I do very much appreciate all the different perspectives being shared and referenced here. There's a lot of good data from many sources, and it doesn't all fit easily into one neat picture. This is actually Avalon at its best, when we're working together to try to understand something better.


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    I hadn't been able get any release through tears, being of a more stoic nature, but this song “I See Fire” on vimeo by Ed Sheeran, with slideshow, just helped. ( Now if I can just stop...)
    https://vimeo.com/301859892?ref=fb-share&1

    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    I'm bumping the following, because as dire as the info is in the quoted material (though please read that too, if you haven't, in post #151) , what Wigington says in the video is much, much worse.
    I had to run out to do errands just after I posted it early this afternoon, but I haven't been able to stop thinking about it.
    You won't want to miss this video if you want to get the full picture of what these fires mean, and what California and other areas are in for as the "test cases", so therefore many more areas to follow if this isn't somehow stopped. [QUOTE=onawah;1260665]DANE WIGINGTON – CLIMATE ENGINEERING TO BLAME FOR WILDFIRES
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    And now we've got "Resilience Beer"

    This would make poor Deborah Tavares's grey hairs turn white.
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    Amazing pictures and theories Thank you. Farrel did a great job with his post and theories also. So we have entire towns burnt down with trees next to the homes with no damage. Ok, then we have reports of pre spraying and helecopters before the fire. We have reports of transformers burning with no fires around. Cars melted when the fires don't get that hot.
    1000 plus missing. That's sad. Fire area on path of new train line deal. Gov Brown pardons PG+E so they don't pay. Pg+e boss is a deputy of Rothchild.

    Trump has to give it up on this one. Energy weapons and the whole bit. Too MUCH crime on this one.

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    This is a picture from the 1991 Oakland Hills fire that killed 25 people.

    There are a few web sites out there indicating that the burned out cars in Paradise are suspect since they are so close to standing trees, but this image illustrates it is very possible in a fast burning fire.

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    I'm not sure if this thread "needs" another voice on the 'natural'/not engineered side of the fence, but I will add my voice.

    I believe that the main bullet points toward engineered (deliberate) fires in California are:
    • the US government employs terrorism (domestic and foreign) whenever they deem it necessary to their agenda
    • there was a 6-year drought in California, which could have been deliberate via weather modification
    • the USA, including California, has been sprayed with (nano?) aluminum, a fire accelerant
    • "bird's eye" photos seem to show houses burned and trees left unharmed

    On the other hand,
    • trees (and bushes, and perennials) have evolved to survive (live through) forest fires
    • extant trees (and bushes, and perennials) are proof that fire has never wiped out these species
    • ancient forests, unraked for centuries, even millennia, survived forest fires - even those after long droughts
    • human fire suppression, an unnatural scenario, has allowed the forest floor "fuel" to pile up to levels not seen in nature
    • houses are made of dry wood (and petroleum products!) that ignite easily and quickly
    • trees are alive, they are "green" wood, full of water, and do not ignite easily or quickly
    • advancing embers ignite whatever ignites easily
    • "bird's eye" views of a burn are deceptive, and make it appear as if the trees are unharmed. They are not unharmed.
    • as trees grow in height, evergreen trees lower limbs don't get enough light and they die. Forest fire will burn these (dead, dry, with volatile resins) lower limbs off the trees, but then there is no more dry fuel to burn. The low limbs and brush burning below are usually not enough heat nor last long enough to dry out the living trees and ignite the wood
    • (Especially in a tall forest) the faster the fire moves, the more likely the trees will survive
    • Look at ground-level photos of the trees, not bird's eye, if you want to see the visible tree damage

    I recently saw a char spot on a highway where a car had obviously burned, and there were some trails of metal (aluminum? "pot metal"?) that had melted. The trails of molten metal may say more about modern car construction materials than anything else. Burn a 1950 Dodge, and I bet there won't be any trails of metal.

    I don't trust the government/agencies of the USA, INC. "as far as I can throw them", (and the same with the Shadow Government that controls them), and I know they are capable of torching tens of thousands of occupied houses and roasting people alive without blinking one of their psychopathic eyes. I think they deserve the scrutiny of those looking for the nefarious hand of (miscreant) man in these fires... but the burn patterns of the fires seem completely logical to me. I think this was just a "natural" burn (even if a man-made power line touched it off), exacerbated by a 6-year drought and possibly from fire suppression allowing the tinder to pile up (I'm not sure if any fires in those areas were actually suppressed over the past decades or not.)


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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    Thanks Dennis,

    But for someone who has personally experienced up close & personal more than one of these fires in the distance past. (see my post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1259141). . . something is clearly 'different'. Even the firefighters are saying this.

    What that 'something' could be has been discussed pretty thoroughly in this thread. My guess is it's probably a combination of several things. I ask, Is it a coincidence that dutchsinse documents where there are 'hot spots' and within days one of these 'different' fires breaks out. Perhaps. Imo: Once is random, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.

    Yes, history has shown, forests and plants will come back, and civilizations and their people come and go. We also know that corporations now make products out of the cheapest, not safest material. But human suffering still hurts the heart and soul at a very deep level. For those going through it and for those who have to watch without being able to help much.

    My area (which is about 2hrs away) has done exceedingly well in helping. But how do you replace everything and for so many? Most of whom have worked very hard all their lives to accumulate the very little they did have.

    Perhaps the burn patterns of the fires are natural as you claim, but the intensity and the speed are not according to firefighters who have been doing this for a very long time. Although now I see that MSN no longer interviews those who will say so. Do we want these events to continue and possibly get more intense, or do we want to try and discern what's causing them and put an end to it?
    Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light!

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    Default Re: The strangeness of the California Fires

    Maybe it is all a natural occurrence(s). Maybe the burn patterns are quite normal and logical for the areas. But there are Many anomalies to these fires. I doubt if the authorities will look into them, the deep state is used to getting away with stuff because we can't fathom that people would do things like this to others.
    Here is an interesting link not quite related to the fires, but nevertheless pertinent to a possible reason for the fires.
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-...ss-eaters.html

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