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    Default US says conserving oil is no longer an economic imperative

    Hello Everyone:
    The world is changing extremely quickly but not according to anyones plan it appears!
    For decades and decades the usa has been on a conserve energy program that had speed limits at 55 mph for decades and wars in the middle east for control of oil.
    NOW every conservation plan is off the table it appears.
    Now all th oil you want to use is available or at least this is how the plan is laid out.


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    US says conserving oil is no longer an economic imperative
    [Associated Press]
    ELLEN KNICKMEYER
    Associated PressAugust 19, 2018
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    FILE- In this April 23, 2018, file photo a car is filled with gasoline at a station in Windham, N.H. Conserving oil is no longer an economic imperative for the U.S., the Trump administration declares in a major new policy statement that threatens to undermine decades of government campaigns for gas-thrifty cars and other conservation programs. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa, File)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Conserving oil is no longer an economic imperative for the U.S., the Trump administration declares in a major new policy statement that threatens to undermine decades of government campaigns for gas-thrifty cars and other conservation programs.

    The position was outlined in a memo released last month in support of the administration's proposal to relax fuel mileage standards. The government released the memo online this month without fanfare.

    Growth of natural gas and other alternatives to petroleum has reduced the need for imported oil, which "in turn affects the need of the nation to conserve energy," the Energy Department said. It also cites the now decade-old fracking revolution that has unlocked U.S. shale oil reserves, giving "the United States more flexibility than in the past to use our oil resources with less concern."

    With the memo, the administration is formally challenging old justifications for conservation — even congressionally prescribed ones, as with the mileage standards. The memo made no mention of climate change. Transportation is the single largest source of climate-changing emissions.

    President Donald Trump has questioned the existence of climate change, embraced the notion of "energy dominance" as a national goal, and called for easing what he calls burdensome regulation of oil, gas and coal, including repealing the Obama Clean Power Plan.

    Despite the increased oil supplies, the administration continues to believe in the need to "use energy wisely," the Energy Department said, without elaboration. Department spokesmen did not respond Friday to questions about that statement.

    Reaction was quick.

    "It's like saying, 'I'm a big old fat guy, and food prices have dropped — it's time to start eating again,'" said Tom Kloza, longtime oil analyst with the Maryland-based Oil Price Information Service.

    "If you look at it from the other end, if you do believe that fossil fuels do some sort of damage to the atmosphere ... you come up with a different viewpoint," Kloza said. "There's a downside to living large."

    Climate change is a "clear and present and increasing danger," said Sean Donahue, a lawyer for the Environmental Defense Fund.

    In a big way, the Energy Department statement just acknowledges the world's vastly changed reality when it comes to oil.

    Just 10 years ago, in summer 2008, oil prices were peaking at $147 a barrel and pummeling the global economy. The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries was enjoying a massive transfer of wealth, from countries dependent on imported oil. Prices now are about $65.

    Today, the U.S. is vying with Russia for the title of top world oil producer. U.S. oil production hit an all-time high this summer, aided by the technological leaps of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing.

    How much the U.S. economy is hooked up to the gas pump, and vice versa, plays into any number of policy considerations, not just economic or environmental ones, but military and geopolitical ones, said John Graham, a former official in the George W. Bush administration, now dean of the School of Public and Environmental Affairs at Indiana University.

    "Our ability to play that role as a leader in the world is stronger when we are the strongest producer of oil and gas," Graham said. "But there are still reasons to want to reduce the amount we consume."

    Current administration proposals include one that would freeze mileage standards for cars and light trucks after 2020, instead of continuing to make them tougher.

    The proposal eventually would increase U.S. oil consumption by 500,000 barrels a day, the administration says. While Trump officials say the freeze would improve highway safety, documents released this month showed senior Environmental Protection Agency staffers calculate the administration's move would actually increase highway deaths.

    "American businesses, consumers and our environment are all the losers under his plan," said Sen. Tom Carper, a Delaware Democrat. "The only clear winner is the oil industry. It's not hard to see whose side President Trump is on."

    Administration support has been tepid to null on some other long-running government programs for alternatives to gas-powered cars.

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    Default Re: US says conserving oil is no longer an economic imperative

    I can see why it doesnt matter what the u.s. administration says, those who drive cars should want the best gas mileage they can get. And, those living in big cities should want cleaner air than the toxic crap the internal combustion engine spews out. I think there's a demand for clean energy and clean running engines and what this assinine american government wants wont change the outcome of this, imho.

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    Oligarchs pushing to sell as much as they can, make as much profit as they can before the big switch in technology comes.

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    I have found James Corbett's two videos on Big Oil quite comprehensive & interesting in understanding the Big Picture. Time is well spent watching them!

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Oligarchs pushing to sell as much as they can, make as much profit as they can before the big switch in technology comes.

    I WISH 0.o
    No need to wish, that's basically the case (though it's nothing fantastic, just a huge shift to electric)
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Oligarchs pushing to sell as much as they can, make as much profit as they can before the big switch in technology comes.

    I WISH 0.o
    No need to wish, that's basically the case (though it's nothing fantastic, just a huge shift to electric)
    Yup, and mainly produced with fossil fuels and little hydo
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    Default Re: US says conserving oil is no longer an economic imperative

    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Oligarchs pushing to sell as much as they can, make as much profit as they can before the big switch in technology comes.
    If this were really about making money, they'd be using the same scam as usual: "Oil is running out and hard to find so we have to charge you an arm and a leg for it!"

    Big oil companies were pushing that lie for decades. This is a clear departure from that racket, and a welcome one. Increased resources at cheaper prices helps everyone.

    There will always be uses for oil as long as plastics are in use, but I have a feeling a lot bigger things are around the corner in terms of energy, than wind or solar or the other limited means of production usually kicked around.


    This was in the news back in 2013:

    Quote NASA’s cold fusion tech could put a nuclear reactor in every home, car, and plane

    The cold fusion dream lives on: NASA is developing cheap, clean, low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology that could eventually see cars, planes, and homes powered by small, safe nuclear reactors.

    When we think of nuclear power, there are usually just two options: fission and fusion. Fission, which creates huge amounts of heat by splitting larger atoms into smaller atoms, is what currently powers every nuclear reactor on Earth. Fusion is the opposite, creating vast amounts of energy by fusing atoms of hydrogen together, but we’re still many years away from large-scale, commercial fusion reactors. (See: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up.)

    LENR is absolutely nothing like either fission or fusion. Where fission and fusion are underpinned by strong nuclear force, LENR harnesses power from weak nuclear force — but capturing this energy is difficult. So far, NASA’s best effort involves a nickel lattice and hydrogen ions. The hydrogen ions are sucked into the nickel lattice, and then the lattice is oscillated at a very high frequency (between 5 and 30 terahertz). This oscillation excites the nickel’s electrons, which are forced into the hydrogen ions (protons), forming slow-moving neutrons. The nickel immediately absorbs these neutrons, making it unstable. To regain its stability, the nickel strips a neutron of its electron so that it becomes a proton — a reaction that turns the nickel into copper and creates a lot of energy in the process.
    https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-car-and-plane

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