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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    The question worth getting an answer to : "Cui Bono?"

    How the question "Who benefits from this?" can change your life

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    "Cui bono?" is a phrase you'll often see used on conspiracy-minded Youtube videos and discussion forums. It's Latin for "Who benefits?", and it refers to a perspective in legal analysis that the one who stands most to gain from a crime is often the perpetrator. It's the "motive" part of "means, motive and opportunity".

    The term comes up in conspiracy circles a lot because motive is often the biggest plot hole in the official story promoted by the authorized narrative managers of the political/media class about a given event. The alleged Douma chemical attack last year, for example, had no discernible benefit to the Assad government whatsoever, but would have benefited the cornered Al-Qaeda affiliates in the city by provoking air strikes from the west, so there remains a lot of skepticism from those who don't automatically believe their government and the plutocratic media when they say that Damascus was responsible. Such skepticism is dismissively branded "conspiracy theory" by the establishment narrative managers, but it is fully justified.

    So it's a useful concept for analyzing world events in a way that punches through the fog of imperial propaganda. But the question "Who benefits from this?" can, and should, be taken much further.

    Don't just ask "Cui bono?" of potential false flag events. Ask it about every belief in your head. Rigorously holding that candle up to the ideas in your own mind will reveal a lot of junk floating around in there that benefit other people, both the powerful and the not-so-powerful.

    To pick one of many possible examples, it's very interesting how many of America's ostensibly anti-establishment movements encourage their adherents to support one of America's two mainstream establishment political parties. The so-called "Resistance" and the progressive movement both herd people who might otherwise support actual leftist movements into the oligarchic folds of the Democratic Party, as does even the lesser-evil voting promoted by those closer to the fringe like Noam Chomsky. On the right you've got the warmongering corporate whore party of the Republicans being enthusiastically backed by the MAGA crowd, who you'll routinely see backing garden variety GOP agendas like the Supreme Court nomination of a longtime Bush lackey in the name of fighting the establishment. Closer to the fringe you've got the insufferable QAnon cult, who consistently argue that every Trump move from Assange's arrest to bombing Syria is a brilliant 5-D chess maneuver against the Deep State.

    If those in any of these various factions began sincerely asking the question "Who benefits from my believing this?" about the various reasons they hold for espousing their respective political positions, the answer would come back clear as day that of course the ones who benefit are the plutocratic class which owns both mainstream political parties and the opaque government agencies with which that class is aligned. In the flurry of reasons being proffered in favor of supporting a given faction, it's easy to overlook the fact that some very powerful people are likely to benefit from that support.

    All the information going around about what's going on in the world is like this. News media must be consumed with an acute awareness that there are extremely powerful people who have a vested interest in manipulating the way you think and perceive. It's just a fact, and if it isn't at the forefront of your consciousness, your worldview will necessarily be severely malformed. Cultivating a reflexive curiosity about who benefits from a given narrative being promoted nips this in the bud.

    But this isn't just limited to news media. We get tons of stupid ideas in our heads from things like advertising, which obviously benefit no one but the advertisers and their employers. Women in particular are plagued with body image problems from being pummeled from a very early age with corporate psyops designed for precisely that purpose, and as a result we feed billions of dollars into various interests who profit from our belief that we shouldn't have small tits or wrinkles or body fat.

    Religion is another one. There are of course many immensely wealthy and powerful structures today which benefit from adherents to religion, but most of those who've benefited from widespread religious indoctrination aren't even alive anymore. Governments and world religions have historically been inextricably intertwined with and supportive of each other, because religions can be used to manipulate the masses into believing that it's virtuous to be poor, humble, meek, submissive and obedient, to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", and to believe it would be generally sinful to use the power of their numbers to kill their rulers and seize their wealth. The answer to "Who benefits from my religious beliefs?", if you're Christian, is something along the lines of "All existing Christian churches, all existing political structures built around exploiting Christian beliefs for political leverage, every preacher, pope and bishop who's ever lived, and every western ruler since Emperor Constantine."

    Many of the beliefs which have been put into our heads for someone else's benefit don't profit the powerful at all; many of them have been implanted by our own loved ones. It's unfortunate, but friends and family members will often have a vested interest in putting beliefs in our heads which don't benefit us but them. Such beliefs often revolve around keeping us from getting above our station, from feeling too good about ourselves so that we don't go off and improve our lives instead of staying in the confining circles we were born into. Others can include believing positive things about loved ones who were actually destructive and abusive to us. Some of them are as simple as beliefs about how we are and how we should be that kept us from talking back to our parents, which if left unexamined can create submissive psychological postures in us that can stay with us to the grave. We form a lot of the beliefs we have about ourselves from the feedback we get from other people, so even something said decades ago by a schoolmate who was only interested in keeping us from rising above them in social status can continue to warp our self image.

    From ground-level to the highest echelons of power, there are people who have been benefiting from the beliefs in our heads. Only by doing the necessary inner work and asking "Cui bono?" of all the ideas we believe about our world, our society, our community and ourselves can we sift apart the untrue from the true and construct a clear-eyed worldview which benefits no one but ourselves and our fellow man. Someone's benefiting from the beliefs in our heads, and, very often, it ain't us.

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    This video was actually a debate on political correctness but what surprised me the most was how the debaters responded to each other. I think I learned more about how not to debate in this video than I learned about what the debators were debating about!


    However, there was one brilliant takeaway regarding group identity...


    @ 1.51.25 blogger/author Michelle Goldberg says

    [...] And I would finally say that I think there is a fair amount of research that people become more close-minded, more tribal when they feel threatened, when they feel their group identity is at stake. [...]



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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    I am not agreeing with much in this article, but it does explain how Qanon, like Flat Eartherism, does make it difficult for serious, critical thinking conspiracy theorists to be taken seriously.

    FBI Document Warns Conspiracy Theories Are A New Domestic Terrorism Threat
    A recent intelligence bulletin comes as the FBI is facing pressure to explain who it considers an extremist, and how the government prosecutes domestic terrorists.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fbi-d...b0acb57fc91818
    The FBI for the first time has identified fringe conspiracy theories as a domestic terrorist threat, according to a previously unpublicized document obtained by Yahoo News. (Read the document below.)

    The FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019, describes “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,” as a growing threat, and notes that it is the first such report to do so. It lists a number of arrests, including some that haven’t been publicized, related to violent incidents motivated by fringe beliefs.

    The document specifically mentions QAnon, a shadowy network that believes in a deep state conspiracy against President Trump, and Pizzagate, the theory that a pedophile ring including Clinton associates was being run out of the basement of a Washington, D.C., pizza restaurant (which didn’t actually have a basement).

    “The FBI assesses these conspiracy theories very likely will emerge, spread, and evolve in the modern information marketplace, occasionally driving both groups and individual extremists to carry out criminal or violent acts,” the document states. It also goes on to say the FBI believes conspiracy theory-driven extremists are likely to increase during the 2020 presidential election cycle.

    The FBI said another factor driving the intensity of this threat is “the uncovering of real conspiracies or cover-ups involving illegal, harmful, or unconstitutional activities by government officials or leading political figures.” The FBI does not specify which political leaders or which cover-ups it was referring to.

    President Trump is mentioned by name briefly in the latest FBI document, which notes that the origins of QAnon is the conspiratorial belief that “Q,” allegedly a government official, “posts classified information online to reveal a covert effort, led by President Trump, to dismantle a conspiracy involving ‘deep state’ actors and global elites allegedly engaged in an international child sex trafficking ring.”

    This recent intelligence bulletin comes as the FBI is facing pressure to explain who it considers an extremist, and how the government prosecutes domestic terrorists. In recent weeks the FBI director has addressed domestic terrorism multiple times but did not publicly mention this new conspiracy theorist threat.

    The FBI is already under fire for its approach to domestic extremism. In a contentious hearing last week before the Senate Judiciary Committee, FBI Director Christopher Wray faced criticism from Democrats who said the bureau was not focusing enough on white supremacist violence. “The term ‘white supremacist,’ ‘white nationalist’ is not included in your statement to the committee when you talk about threats to America,” Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said. “There is a reference to racism, which I think probably was meant to include that, but nothing more specific.”

    Wray told lawmakers the FBI had done away with separate categories for black identity extremists and white supremacists, and said the bureau was instead now focusing on “racially motivated” violence. But he added, “I will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence.”

    The FBI had faced mounting criticism for the term “black identity extremists,” after its use was revealed by Foreign Policy magazine in 2017. Critics pointed out that the term was an FBI invention based solely on race, since no group or even any specific individuals actually identify as black identity extremists.

    In May, Michael C. McGarrity, the FBI’s assistant director of the counterterrorism division, told Congress the bureau now “classifies domestic terrorism threats into four main categories: racially motivated violent extremism, anti-government/anti-authority extremism, animal rights/environmental extremism, and abortion extremism,” a term the bureau uses to classify both pro-choice and anti-abortion extremists.

    The new focus on conspiracy theorists appears to fall under the broader category of anti-government extremism. “This is the first FBI product examining the threat from conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists and provides a baseline for future intelligence products,” the document states.

    The new category is different in that it focuses not on racial motivations, but on violence based specifically on beliefs that, in the words of the FBI document, “attempt to explain events or circumstances as the result of a group of actors working in secret to benefit themselves at the expense of others” and are “usually at odds with official or prevailing explanations of events.”

    The FBI acknowledges conspiracy theory-driven violence is not new, but says it’s gotten worse with advances in technology combined with an increasingly partisan political landscape in the lead-up to the 2020 presidential election. “The advent of the Internet and social media has enabled promoters of conspiracy theories to produce and share greater volumes of material via online platforms that larger audiences of consumers can quickly and easily access,” the document says.

    The bulletin says it is intended to provide guidance and “inform discussions within law enforcement as they relate to potentially harmful conspiracy theories and domestic extremism.”

    The FBI Phoenix field office referred Yahoo News to the bureau’s national press office, which provided a written statement.

    “While our standard practice is to not comment on specific intelligence products, the FBI routinely shares information with our law enforcement partners in order to assist in protecting the communities they serve,” the FBI said.

    In its statement, the FBI also said it can “never initiate an investigation based solely on First Amendment protected activity. As with all of our investigations, the FBI can never monitor a website or a social media platform without probable cause.”

    The Department of Homeland Security, which has also been involved in monitoring domestic extremism, did not return or acknowledge emails and phone requests for comment.

    While not all conspiracy theories are deadly, those identified in the FBI’s 15-page report led to either attempted or successfully carried-out violent attacks. For example, the Pizzagate conspiracy led a 28-year-old man to invade a Washington, D.C., restaurant to rescue the children he believed were being kept there, and fire an assault-style weapon inside.

    The FBI document also cites an unnamed California man who was arrested on Dec. 19, 2018, after being found with what appeared to be bomb-making materials in his car. The man allegedly was planning “blow up a satanic temple monument” in the Capitol rotunda in Springfield, Ill., to “make Americans aware of Pizzagate and the New World Order, who were dismantling society,” the document says.

    Historian David Garrow, the author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning biography of Martin Luther King Jr. who has worked extensively with FBI archives, raised doubts to Yahoo News about the memo. He says the FBI’s default assumption is that violence is motivated by ideological beliefs rather than mental illness. “The guy who shot up the pizza place in D.C.: Do we think of him as a right-wing activist, or insane?” Garrow asked.

    Garrow was similarly critical of the FBI’s use of the term “black identity extremists” and related attempts to ascribe incidents like the 2016 shooting of six police officers in Baton Rouge, La., to black radicalism. He said the shooter, Gavin Long, had a history of mental health problems. “The bureau’s presumption — the mindset — is to see ideological motives where most of the rest of us see individual nuttiness,” he said.

    Identifying conspiracy theories as a threat could be a political lightning rod, since President Trump has been accused of promulgating some of them, with his frequent references to a deep state and his praise in 2015 for Alex Jones, who runs the conspiracy site InfoWars. While the FBI intelligence bulletin does not mention Jones or InfoWars by name, it does mention some of the conspiracy theories frequently associated with the far-right radio host, in particular the concept of the New World Order.

    Jones claimed the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, in which 26 children were killed, was a hoax, a false flag operation intended as a pretext for the government to seize or outlaw firearms. The families of a number of victims have sued Jones for defamation, saying his conspiracy-mongering contributed to death threats and online abuse they have received.

    While Trump has never endorsed Sandy Hook denialism, he was almost up until the 2016 election the most high-profile promoter of the birther conspiracy that claimed former President Barack Obama was not born in the United States. He later dropped his claim, and deflected criticism by pointing the finger at Hillary Clinton. He said her campaign had given birth to the conspiracy, and Trump “finished it.”

    There is no evidence that Clinton started the birther conspiracy.

    Joe Uscinski, an associate professor of political science at the University of Miami, whose work on conspiracy theories is cited in the intelligence bulletin, said there’s no data suggesting conspiracy theories are any more widespread now than in the past. “There is absolutely no evidence that people are more conspiratorial now,” says Uscinski, after Yahoo News described the bulletin to him. “They may be, but there is not strong evidence showing this.”

    It’s not that people are becoming more conspiratorial, says Uscinski, but conspiracies are simply getting more media attention.

    “We are looking back at the past with very rosy hindsight to forget our beliefs, pre-internet, in JFK [assassination] conspiracy theories and Red scares. My gosh, we have conspiracy theories about the king [of England] written into the Declaration of Independence,” he said, referencing claims that the king was planning to establish tyranny over the American colonies.

    It’s not that conspiracy theorists are growing in number, Uscinski argues, but that media coverage of those conspiracies has grown. “For most of the last 50 years, 60 to 80 percent of the country believe in some form of JFK conspiracy theory,” he said. “They’re obviously not all extremist.”

    Conspiracy theories, including Russia’s role in creating and promoting them, attracted widespread attention during the 2016 presidential election when they crossed over from Internet chat groups to mainstream news coverage. Yahoo News’s “Conspiracyland” podcast recently revealed that Russia’s foreign intelligence service was the origin of a hoax report that tied the murder of Seth Rich, a Democratic National Committee staffer, to Hillary Clinton.

    Washington police believe that Rich was killed in a botched robbery, and there is no proof that his murder had any political connections.

    Among the violent conspiracy theories cited in the May FBI document is one involving a man who thought Transportation Security Administration agents were part of a New World Order. Another focused on the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), a government-funded facility in Alaska that has been linked to everything from death beams to mind control. The two men arrested in connection with HAARP were “stockpiling weapons, ammunition and other tactical gear in preparation to attack” the facility, believing it was being used “to control the weather and prevent humans from talking to God.”

    Nate Snyder, who served as a Department of Homeland Security counterterrorism official during the Obama administration, said that the FBI appears to be applying the same radicalization analysis it employs against foreign terrorism, like the Islamic State group, which has recruited followers in the United States.

    “The domestic violent extremists cited in the bulletin are using the same playbook that groups like ISIS and al-Qaida have used to inspire, recruit and carry out attacks,” said Snyder, after reviewing a copy of the bulletin provided by Yahoo News. “You put out a bulletin and say this is the content they’re looking at — and it’s some guy saying he’s a religious cleric or philosopher — and then you look at the content, videos on YouTube, etc., that they are pushing and show how people in the U.S. might be radicalized by that content.”

    Though the FBI document focuses on ideological motivations, FBI Director Wray, in his testimony last week, asserted that the FBI is concerned only with violence, not people’s beliefs. The FBI doesn’t “investigate ideology, no matter how repugnant,” he told lawmakers. “We investigate violence. And any extremist ideology, when it turns to violence, we are all over it. ... In the first three quarters of this year, we’ve had more domestic terrorism arrests than the prior year, and it’s about the same number of arrests as we have on the international terrorism side.”

    Yet the proliferation of the extremist categories concerns Michael German, a former FBI agent and now a fellow with the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty & National Security program. “It’s part of the radicalization theory the FBI has promoted despite empirical studies that show it’s bogus,” he said.

    German says this new category is a continuing part of FBI overreach. “They like the radicalization theory because it justifies mass surveillance,” he said. “If we know everyone who will do harm is coming from this particular community, mass surveillance is important. We keep broadening the number of communities we include in extremist categories.”

    For Garrow, the historian, the FBI’s expansive definition has its roots in bureau paranoia that dates back decades. “I think it’s their starting point,” he said. “This goes all the way back to the Hoover era without question. They see ideology as a central motivating factor in human life, and they don’t see mental health issues as a major factor.”

    Yet trying to label a specific belief system as prone to violence is problematic, he said.

    “I don’t think most of us would do a good job in predicting what sort of wacky information could lead someone to violence, or not lead anyone to violence,” Garrow said. “Pizzagate would be a great example of that.”

    While Trump may not be supportive of labeling a group like QAnon, which sees him as a hero, as extremist, he’s in favor of broadening the number of organizations that are labeled as violent extremists, at least on the left. On Saturday, President Trump tweeted that Antifa, a far-left movement opposed to what it considers fascism, should be labeled a terrorist organization.

    Snyder, the former Homeland Security official, agrees that conspiracy theories may in fact inspire violence and be a threat, but questions what the government is going to do about it.

    He notes that at the Department of Homeland Security, “nearly all, if not all, the intelligence analysts focusing on domestic extremist groups” were eliminated under the Trump administration. “There is no one there doing this,” he said.
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    Curious his middle name starts with a Q. Guy from Department of Energy with a Q for a middle name. Ah Jeez....Ahhhhhh Jeez


    'U.S. State Department Official Involved in White Nationalist Movement, Hatewatch Determines - Southern Poverty Law Center'

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Recommended by Joseph Ferrell.

    The Qiller Q

    In fact he says:

    Quote If you're following Bernard Grover's articles on the Q phenomenon, then you'll definitely want to read this one, and if you're not following them, then permit me to say, you need to.

    It should be noted right off the top that InfinityChan or 8Chan has been dropped by its carrier as of this writing. This is in spite of the fact that Q said several times that it was impossible for this to happen, since it was "in control" of the board. I suspect that Q facilitated this move in order to foster a siege mentality, which is essential for Personality Qults to survive and flourish. Join me with Jeff Rense Friday night, 9 August 2019, for more discussion on this topic.

    My father, who was both an historian and a politician, taught me one important lesson that has followed me for life:

    Never trust a government any time, anywhere, for any reason.

    To that, I would add: most especially when the military gets involved in civilian affairs.

    With the Q Phenomenon, we have an anonymous entity which claims to be part of military intelligence manipulating civilian affairs admittedly using disinformation all for the benefit of one person - the President of the United States of America - known as Donald Trump. Taken together, these elements combined in unified action should set off enough alarm bells in a thinking person's head to drown out all other thoughts.


    Q2 - military intel operation
    From it's second Drop, Q has made it clear that it is a function of military intelligence and that it is supporting POTUS (Trump) in "clearing" out the "Deep State". Just what the Deep State means in the Qnuverse is undefined by Q - though Qvians all 'know' what it is when they see it. Q has also said the "disinformation is necessary," meaning essentially that no one can trust anything Q posts.



    Yet, judging by subscription numbers on various commentator (Acolyte) channels, hundreds of thousands of people not only trust Q, but spread its pronouncements like a surreal gospel.

    I am about to make the case that Q is at least partly responsible for the four mass shootings in the US (Gilroy, CA, El Paso, TX, Dayton, OH, Chicago, IL) over the past week. I will use Q's own Drops, but interpret what I see quite a bit differently than the True Q Followers do. Even (or especially) if you are a hard-core Qvian, you should at least hear me out and consider the alternatives to your adopted philosophy.

    In my analysis, I don't care which political party, religion, social organizations, or other demographic affiliations the shooters belonged to. I don't care what sympathies the reader has towards government or politics. Those details can and will be argued back and forth for the rest of this news cycle, but these details have nothing to do with what I see.


    Q1685 - disinformation is necessary
    For many reasons, I don't trust or believe any of the information about these people or the events that are floating around the media and netsphere. Part of what predicates my suspicions is the ongoing talk from POTUS and among the Qvians about national Voter ID and Red Flag gun registries. Another reason is that I view all mass shootings as part of a much larger picture and not existing in a vacuum. That can be interpreted as "flase flag," but really my view is even much wider than that - a form of mass psychosis promulgated by "They" to maintain a constant state of fear and anxiety to deflect attention from "Them".



    Having established a context, let's briefly revisit the death of Senator John McCain in August 2018, almost exactly one year ago. Q is widely believed to have accurately predicted McCain's death from brain cancer, not only to the day, but to the minute. The reasoning behind this belief can be found in my article "The Q Prophesy". As I noted then, in order for Q to so accurately predict McCain's death from cancer, it would have had to have a part in killing McCain.


    Q3570 - August is HOT
    We now find ourselves in a similar situation, only on a much larger scale.



    On 1 August 2019, Q posted Drop #3570, in which it notes, "The month of AUGUST is traditionally very HOT." Keeping in mind that Q claims to be military intel, then "hot" in military parlance means a situation where one has been discovered and/or a fire-fight ensues. Obviously, four mass shootings in four states in eight days would be considered "hot" situations to a group of military planners. The emphasis on the word "hot" by placing it in all caps tells me that we are to assume it is a term and not a word.

    A term is a word or phrase with a special meaning in a given context, such as in law when special terms are capitalized to indicate they have non-standard definitions within the context (four corners) of a law, contract or similar document. The context here is that Q claims a military genesis, so we use that as context to interpret the term "HOT" as meaning live-fire situations.


    Q3550-3551 - RED Hot
    It is important to note that the California shootings took place on 28 July 2019, the Texas shootings took place on 3 August 2019, and the Ohio and Illinois shootings on 4 August 2019. It's also interesting to note that the California shootings vanished from the news cycle almost as fast as they happened, and the Chicago shootings were drowned out by the almost constant mass killings in that city. Now keep in mind Q's statement was released on 1 August.



    Prior to the 1 August Drop, Q published Drops #3550-3551, on 30 July 2019. These two Drops appear to be a code of some kind, widely interpreted by the Qvians as giving directions to the board operator (aka Code Monkey). There are two seemingly related Drops.

    The Drops mention or allude to the number "2" in several ways. The word "Hot" appears twice with the numbers 8 and 9. The term "RED" appears twice. The line "Insert_key" could be a keyboard reference, or using the military context, could mean putting agents into a situation is essential. We also note the California shooting took place before this Drop and received little attention, while the Texas and Ohio events came after and still dominate the news. The Illinois shootings can be written off as just another day in Chicago - noise in the data.


    Q3559 - watch the news this week
    One could interpret these messages as activation codes for "sleepers," or agents undercover in the field. Going "hot" may mean becoming active, and "RED" might imply blood, emergency or danger. One could also view the numbers 8 and 9 as coded target listings or some similar notation, perhaps agent numbers like 007.



    In fact, this interpretation makes more sense than some kind of computer instruction code. Even the term "insertion" has a military connotation of putting an agent into enemy territory.


    Q3568 - 24-hour warning
    Also on 30 July 2019, Q posted Drop #3559, telling Qvians to "watch the news this week." This message clearly implies foreknowledge of some major event(s) and that those events would dominate the news cycle, if not deadly. The combination of "see something say something," "watch the news" and the next message (#3568), which clearly gives a 24-hour warning implies Q had full knowledge of something deadly or dangerous.



    No amount of apologetics can wave away the clear impression that Q had foreknowledge of the mass shootings and did not use the full power of the federal government to attempt to stop the events, nor did it use any other channel but its Drops to give a warning. There was no national warning message, no news announcements, nothing other than a few messages on its preferred 8Chan outlet.


    Q3570 - August is HOT
    At best, this makes Q responsible for the deaths because it did nothing to stop them (accessory after the fact), and at worst, it makes Q guilty of instigating them (first-degree murder). No other conclusions are possible with the given data.



    Q's final Drop #3570, on 1 August 2019, before being (supposedly) deplatformed again stated that "August is HOT," which I interpret using the military connotation of a live-fire operation (going hot).

    Furthermore, since the message covers the entire month of August, we might assume that other events are forthcoming.

    In the wake of the shootings, 8Chan was taken down - ostensibly by the provider to silence the "hate speech" on the boards. However, Q has said repeatedly in the wake of being deplatformed last year that it is "in control" and that it had taken steps to secure 8Chan so that it could not be taken down. In my model, this leads to yet another unsavory conclusion.

    Over the past two years, Q has gone silent during the months of June and July. I interpret this to be a process called "clearing the waters," whereby an entity that wants to measure how effectively its message is disseminating, stops posting to go into listening mode. This is called q-analysis, a kind of data mining where networks are mapped and information is measured, including who is getting the information and what they are doing with it - emailing friends and family, tweeting Drops, making videos, etc.

    Q was down for six weeks during June and July 2019, which I view as a "listening" period to see how the message is being received and interpreted. In early July, Q started up again and posted over 200 Drops in July, vanishing again on 1 August 2019, supposedly because of deplatforming - something that was supposed to be impossible at this point.

    The way I see it, Q activated sleepers to go do the shootings, while at the same time put out warnings that something "HOT" was coming. The deplatforming, then, is an excuse to go dark again and see what happens with the information before, during and after the shootings. Questions might include who are the distribution hubs and who are their primary, secondary and tertiary contacts (3-hop rule under FISA warrants)? Are the interpretations favorable or unfavorable for Q/POTUS? What actions are the Qvians taking (cross-reference credit card purchases, phone calls, etc.)? How do these items change/evolve over the course of and in the wake of the shootings?

    Had 8Chan stayed up after the shootings, Qvians would be demanding more information, but being deplatforming provided a convenient excuse to disappear for a time to perform q-analysis and the Qvians would be sympathetic rather than suspicious of the silence.

    The conclusions we get from all this seem very clear and straight-forward:

    1) Q is a military intelligence operation with the implied ability to monitor the internet and catch indications of mass killings before they happen;
    2) Q confirms this by issuing warnings well ahead of the mass shootings that use language easily interpreted as indicating live-fire events;
    3) Q posted two Drops with some kind of Qode that could be waved away as computer instructions, but could also be interpreted in a military context as activation Qodes for sleeper agents;
    4) 8Chan was taken down in the wake of the shootings, which Q has said was not possible now, and which can be interpreted as going into "listening" mode for q-analysis to see what internet users/Qvians are doing with the information provided by the Drops.

    Thus, Q activated two sleeper agents (RED-RED_y) to do the shootings and either noted targets (8 & 9) or indicated certain agents to do the jobs. Q posted warning messages to "plant the seeds" that it would need to do q-analysis. Q vanished two days before the shootings started so as not to "stir the waters" while analyzing net traffic related to Q. The Qvians reacted as one might expect, praising Q for having predicted the events (a Proof), rather than condemning Q for being complicit in the killings. We expect Q will reappear in the next week or so, after the full data analysis is complete.

    Qvians may be able to dismiss this interpretation because it does not fit with their myopic loyalty to an invisible entity, but they can not dismiss it as impossible. It fits the available facts and uses the exact same text they use to find a hero - where I find a villain. It is difficult, given the death of Sen. John McCain and now these incidents, to deny that Q may in fact be acting against the national interests of the people of the USA. For every positive item the Qvians can list, I can simply point to the need for disinformation and the distinct possibility that they are being played for a nefarious purpose.

    In any case, there are multiple interpretations of the available data that are plausible and possible. I have used the exact same data available to the Qvians and have not left out anything that could invalidate this analysis.

    Beyond all this, Q has convinced its followers that they are under siege and that their Great Leader Donald Trump is being attacked by Dark Forces. This creates and promulgates a Personality Qult. These are classic signs of such and can not be denied, and they are just as applicable to Jim Jones or David Koresh.

    We have no objective reason to believe that Donald Trump could become a megalomaniac, given the right set of circumstances and his obviously over-sized ego. Nor do we have any objective reason to trust Q and its motives. One could easily make the cases that Trump is using Q as a front to take full control of the government, or that he is being blackmailed and coerced into Q's dictates, or that Trump is little more than a pitchman for a sinister group of military rouges hell-bent on taking over the world. Compelling cases can be made for any of these scenarios, given what any of us know at this point.

    Furthermore, Q has convinced its followers that certain Trump policies, which are clearly and dangerously anti-Constitutional are both good and necessary. This, however, is a topic for my next article - entitled "The Qonstitution." Stay tuned!
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    UPDATE 9 August 2019- I think I need point no further than some of the responses to this article. People who follow a literal "ghost in the machine," who have exactly zero proof of who/what Q is - an entity that claims to be military intel and admits that it spreads disinformation - and who have no more information about their "leader" than I have posted here call me delusional.

    They vehemently defend Q and call everyone that takes a cynical eye to this kind of psy-op crazy. Sorry folks, but you are the victims of a Personality Qult. You believe you are under siege, that you will be vindicated when all is revealed, and that your "leader" is all powerful, all on nothing more than faith. Belief in an entity with no known corporeal existence? Revelation when all will be laid bare and the wicked will be tossed in Hell (GITMO)? An all-seeing Deity that knows everything about everyone? This is a religion, plain and simple.

    How can you pluck the mote from your brother's eye when you can not see the plank in your own?

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    Things are not what they appear! Hypocrites all of them you are correct as the dems here by their orchestrated hype fear porn stories as if read from a script, and the fact NRA membership sales and gun sales, as well as, ammo sales are up to a peak now thanks to them brings me to a question! So, I ask you sincerely? Who is really the biggest movers and shakers of guns in the gun manufacturers eyes do you think?

    Is it the ads from the NRA and gun lobby and magazines? Nope! No matter how much the left complains it is actually the biggest mouths of the leftists that sell the most guns for mfgrs! Barry Obama for example, by his mere presence in the oval office knee jerked av. Joe American into buying 74,000 some odd guns per day over eight years so he must be their golden child with a plague and everything in secret circles! Pardon me, but didn't those same manufactures benefit the same way from Iran Contra and what exactly did Ole Oliver North teach the NRA while there for his time? How bout fast and furious? Same manufactures profited from this gun sale as the ones benefiting now from av. Joe American! Is that odd?

    Would it surprise you do discover that the left get money over the table to stand against guns while taking money under the table with their complicit media to actually move mass amounts of dust collectors now and again through coordinated con jobs like these terror acts? After seeing these same guys fly planes into buildings I have no doubt they'd lie to us to move guns and then lie to us again each time they need to move more to make room for new stock! Everyone is paid under the table and over and Delaware and Cyprus secret bank accounts are seeing deposits from all angles! Oh how I wish it weren't true!

    And no one even notices or cares that the mayor in Ohio and statements publicly knee jerks half of Ohio (not just Dayton) into a buying frenzy for guns and ammo selling more guns with and ammo with his public statements of fear porn in chorus with his peers across the nation! This sells more than all the ads ever run by the NRA or gun lobby!

    In fact after each event of terror no matter which one you study there is a buying frenzy for guns and ammo selling off guns that were collecting dust before the reps sing fear porn in chorus! Who is selling guns here? Really? And due diligence of a good detective would suggest the one that benefits the most from something would be or should be what? The primary suspect in an event. Need I point out how the NRA and gun lobby laugh all the way to the banks at this writing? Is that just coincidence too?
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    Yes, I’ve often thought Q’s predictions could be 1 of 2 things:

    1. This “team” are using open source coded communications to activate an extremist agenda where collateral damage is inconsequential i.e. “the end justifies the means”.

    2. This “team” are a break-away from 3 letter agencies/military/gov't/public domains experimenting with open source coded communications to let terrorist cells know they have sophisticated “eyes on technology” in the hope they will minimalize terrorist activity whilst simultaneously alerting their “boots on the ground team” to be vigilant within predicted areas.

    The communication platform also being used to raise awareness within the public domain to the depth of treachery that exists behind the wall of fake news in the hope it wakes enough people up to demand and secure change.


    For the past 20 years, thanks to the internet enabling open source global communications, the world has become saturated with evidence of the nefarious activities of 3 letter agencies, military, shadow government and corporations – but still they thrive.

    I often ponder over what people within those professions are thinking; people that are not happy going along with the controllers of status quo just to retain job security.

    Law of averages tells us they exist and I would predict in large numbers as not all those that choose a “helping/humanitarian/patriotic profession” can/will be seduced by propaganda and/or silenced over time.

    Whistleblowing is the lonely dangerous option that meets great resistance from counter narratives. And even though we have amazing journalists, citizen journalists, researchers and activists chipping away at the Controllers Fortress I do believe inside infiltration is needed and is why the following are some of the questions I ponder over:

    What conversations are these people having amongst their colleagues? What ideas could they be hatching? How would they be able to implement plans when they meet wall after wall of resistance within and without their professions?

    How would they be able to set up a secure comms channel? Hide it in plain sight? Is there safety in numbers? What are they prepared to risk for staying within their fortresses whilst covertly setting up and working a clandestine cell knowing there is a death penalty for treason?


    Point #1 could well be the case with Q as many are surmising. But damn I hope we’re wrong on that one. Because if we have a covert cell of whistleblowers/activists/soldiers working toward herding the nefarious networks into legal justice, then they deserve a shot.

    It’s still too early for me to get off the fence on this one.

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Patriotism is the antidote to ideological subversion according to this KGB defector from an 1980’s interview. Seems like the Q team have employed a few lessons in counter-subversion in the fight against the threat of “world communism”.


    PS The logic in Bernard Grovers article endorsed by Joseph Farrell above can be dissected with great ease. Interesting theory, one grounded in a poor grasp of the facts however.

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    Quote Posted by YoYoYo (here)
    Q does become a 5th column in how a few lies contaminate the landscape of truth, but the work of Jon Wedger, which has nothing to do with Q, suggests there is a 'pretend it's not there' problem with child abuse. So those people that said Q was counter-productive, this is where they might have a point
    Bump

    Q might be harmless, and really really good for spreading awareness. But in some cases it contaminates the truth. I don't believe awareness is the Q teams prime concern, there is too much money being made off Q's exceptionally strong brand

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    Re-posting this.
    Delight posted the article here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1322386
    (Red letters in bold my emphasis.)
    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    IMO we in any state who care about the future of this country should rally behind any candidate committed to vaccine awareness and safety of children. Here is one, David Rudnick . Dr. Shiva running for senate in Massachusetts is another candidate for medical freedom.

    In the 2nd interview with Bobby Kennedy posted here:



    Kennedy details his interaction with Trump and Trump's "people" concerning vaccination issues. Starts at 18:38

    He says explicitly that Trump failed to follow through and "went dark" early in the administration. Kennedy also reported point blank that Trump COULD have done something easily and refused to support the issue altogether. Then he appointed Big Pharma reps into seats along with Big Oil reps. All together TRUMP is NOT going to help the cause for protecting children and adults. It will need to come from congress.

    In most State cases so far where government has over reached with draconian mandates, Republicans have been the ones to say no. On the whole Democrats have voted YES in a party line.

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    “I am a JFK Democrat”

    November 6, 2019 — Military vaccine injury is a common occurrence. Once you join Uncle Sam’s Marines you forfeit all rights to refuse being injected with anything Sammy says. Many soldiers get vaccinated and have no problems at all, which I am very glad is often the case. However it is not always the case; not for every soldier.

    It wasn’t the case for David Rudnick

    “I was a whistleblower in the Marine Corps. I was originally standing on a long line to get my vaccines when at the last minute I was taken out and put on a line with only four other Marines. Within days I was deathly ill. Doctors originally tested me for AIDS. In the first month, I dropped 15 pounds and had serious stomach issues as well as a diagnosis of mononucleosis. My hair also started to fall out in clumps in the shower. I had to push tonsil stones out of my mouth every day for weeks. I’ve still never recovered from the stomach issues.”

    When asked if he was given a different set of vaccines on the alternative line Rudnick answered, “Most likely, yes. The other Marines in front of me looked nervous too. We all knew something was totally awry.”

    Rudnick doesn’t know what vaccines he received while with the Marines, nor how many in total. “I’m afraid to know. I remember receiving 2 just before I went to Europe on vacation. Rumors swirled within my unit that I would never return and go AWOL. So some said they gave me a ‘hot shot’ for being a ‘hot shot.’ Before that I was also threatened with ‘blue on blue’ just like Pat Tillman.”

    “Blue on Blue” means friendly fire.

    All Rudnick ever wanted was to be an Infantryman leading his nation into battle. When he turned 18 he attended an Army Senior Military College. “Eventually I was taken out of the Infantry at North Georgia because ‘I was a commander, not a commando.’ I rescinded my commission and enlisted in the Marine Corps the very next day as an Infantryman.” At age 20 Rudnick joined the Marines and stayed for 5 years.

    During his 5 years in the Marines Rudnick saw too much. He never gained official whistleblower status, but he claims that he was threatened more than once for witnessing corruption and wanting to shed light on it. Precisely what he knew we will save for a separate report at another time.

    Currently Rudnick’s health is not the best, as his vaccine injuries have taken a toll on him. On Twitter, when someone stated Rudnick couldn’t be trusted because he is a Democrat, he posted a picture of what he says are his military medical files and tweeted: “Almost 10 years of medical files just to constantly be told, “unknown condition” and all from a little shot. No I will never change my mind on this issue.

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    He’s a Democrat. Sorry, CA has too many Democrats. CA Dems, They sell out to Pharma faster than I change panties. Find a new candidate that supports choice.


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    Almost 10 years of medical files just to constantly be told, "unknown condition" and all from a little shot. No I will never change my mind on this issue.

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    Rudnick’s Platform

    Rudnick is running for Congress in the Democratic primary on May 3rd, 2020 in California’s District 25. The seat was filled by Democrat Katie Hill, who recently resigned leaving the seat vacant. His platform is not cookie-cutter by any stretch of the imagination. Rudnick is constantly saying, “I am my own man,” and it shows in what he stands for: his platform includes:

    Repeal the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act
    Pro-life Democrat (which today is as rare as a unicorn)
    Immigration Reform to help both America and immigrants
    Climate Change legislation
    Scale back military; US is not the world’s policeman
    End the FED
    Impeach Trump
    To see his entire platform, visit http://rudnickforcongress.com/

    Trump & Flu Vaccines

    I asked Rudnick what he thought about Trump and his 5-year Task Force to create the “Next Generation” of flu vaccines. Here is his response:

    “Trump ‘modernizing the flu shot?’ What a joke and a sham! Whatever happened to just getting the flu? Many say his son is vaccine injured, possibly autistic, so he spoke out on this issue only to get elected then shunned it. He is a huge disappointment.“

    In Trump’s Executive Order to develop new flu vaccines, Trump states that new vaccine adjuvants will be tested on military veterans in the VA. I asked Rudnick if he is aware of anything unethical being done in VA Hospitals:

    “Too many things are going on in regards to the VA. It’s common knowledge in all of the branches of the military that we are guinea pigs for the deep state. The anthrax vaccine is the perfect example of this. At one time, Gulf War vets were dying at a higher rate in the late 90’s than Vietnam War veterans! Walter Reed and many VA hospitals had a wing just for vaccine-injured veterans, but it’s something no one talks about. I never go to the VA. Too many of my friends have killed themselves on their experimental psychiatric drugs. They hand them out like candy and insist that you take them. These drugs induce psychosis and it’s caused an epidemic of suicides. I know this for a fact.“

    Rudnick sent me all of the following links to support his claim:

    Military Suicides & Homocides – the Dangers of Psychotropic Drugs https://www.cchr.org/documentaries/h...05iQwAxE1yK26Y

    Veteran Jumps to his Death at VA Hospital https://www.thedailybeast.com/vetera...ezwPCOCQTM1HPE

    Two Veteran Suicdes at Same VA Facility Share Chilling Similarity – Both Died While Sitting on Their Military Records https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ZC1wP11ApnQBp0

    Gulf War Military Documents Prove UK and US Military Personnel Were Injected With Untested Vaccines https://vaccineimpact.com/2016/gulf-...v_cbbO0EdHXuOI



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    So @VoteRudnickCA25 is running for Congress in California and is a #VaccineChoice Candidate - SUPPORT HIM CA!!!@RobSchneider @Cernovich @DarlaShine @CaliVaxChoice http://rudnickforcongress.com/vaccine-choice


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    Thank you for the kind words. I'm a vaxx- injured #Marine & I will never change my beliefs on this issue. I have suffered far too much. And as a Marine, no one can buy me off. I will go to Congress & end the Federal Compensation Fund. It's time Big Pharma pays.@VaccineChoiceCA

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    As to not unduly interrupt the main Q thread, thought I'd voice this wee lil concern here:

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Ever since Q turned up on the scene, we've got hold of the idea (and walked with it) that the whole point was to wake the patriot types up and keep them on the same page all the way through to at least the 2020 election where it would deliver a landslide vote victory crushing the cabal puppets.

    The situation I see here right now is that the vote, if the cabal puppets etc have their well planned way, won't even count. They've directed their effort and planning away from being wiped out in a fair vote.

    They are, effectively, bypassing the Trump team plan. The Trump team are going to have to switch track. Going for a massive vote victory is not going to work. The opposition machine that's been built up is ready to roll right over the awakened masses and they trashed votes.

    I sense, from something Trump expressed near the end of the debate that he's thinking of cancelling the election somehow. I've no idea how that can be done, but the logic tells me they must, and also, now, he's implied it in the debate.

    What the hell are they going to do ?
    I've been seeing this popping up more and more recently in political circles that shall remain nameless, that basically the upcoming U.S. Presidential election will be null and void, if President Trump somehow loses. Let me get this straight, if Big Daddy wins all is right in the world and the white hats are now at the helm; but if he loses he, and the long suffering patriots, have been cheated.

    Of course an obvious question might be, how else to solve this stand off dilemma without voting, if the correct candidate can't win the old fashioned way at the ballot box?

    Or, am I missing something here in the treacherous landscape of 4D chess?
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    This isn't about "American rednecks". If it was, we'd certainly have been screwed before this even started.

    We are watching the entire human race on the brink of failure. Trump isn't even a right winger, he's a small time billionaire responding to a call to save us all from a plan to ruin us for ever.

    You're attitude terrifies me Gracy. If the American people can't turn the tables on the crooks, none of us can.
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    I think it is naive to think Trump is here to 'SAVE ANYONE'! Listen Trump is beholden to the people that bailed him out of his Atlantic City fiasco and many of those same people are around him right now daily in his ear all the time! Do you know who Wilbur Ross is? Do you know who he is connected to? Do you know his part in the bail out in Trump's past? You see these appointments in many cases are not just people working around Trump they are his bosses! The ones he owes! That separate security team apart from the secret service team that Trump has around him all the time? Not his security team so much as his keepers! He is owned by the mob that bailed him out and its the mob he works for and this is a world stage gang war!

    Hillary is a mob boss okay? She is a CAPO for real! She is out of Chicago and Trump is working with NY! The LA gangs are also involved and all three are fighting big time over not just one thing but the world! They want the southern border of the USA, they want silk road, they want the south pacific, and they want to control the prize! This is a coup, but it's a coup of the NY gang coming in from underneath and taking out the control of the prize from the Chicago gang and wretched it from them and now they want it back. The Chicago mob has been in D.C. running things their way for a number of years and now the NY gang headed by their man Trump is moving and shaking that up because the prize is the USA Military and he that controls it has an advantage over all the others.

    Trump has spent 47 months removing and replacing loyal appointees made over a life time and multi terms of presidents all on the same page and now Trump comes in after all those years and in 47 months messes it all up! Of course they're pissed! Of course they don't want to accept that he is the prez and the one in charge! This is nothing like it appears and you can call it military intelligence but it's all run by organized crime gangs. It's a gang war on the world stage nothing more nothing less.
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    Anyway, I thought this thread was for theories about Q being something other than claimed, not for Trump hating knife ambushes.
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Anyway, I thought this thread was for theories about Q being something other than claimed, not for Trump hating knife ambushes.
    Oh ffs norman...

    I asked a legitimate question about the vote, quoting you in doing so. If things are so hyper partisan these days that questioning or criticizing a sitting US President during an election cycle is viewed as a "knife ambush", then we have lots more to worry about than "the cabal".

    As Wade Frazier likes to put it Godzilla seldom has to raise a paw, because the people usually do his bidding before he ever needs to think of bothering.

    Now back to my question concerning possibly not accepting the election results, or cancelling the election all together. I'll repeat it:

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Ever since Q turned up on the scene, we've got hold of the idea (and walked with it) that the whole point was to wake the patriot types up and keep them on the same page all the way through to at least the 2020 election where it would deliver a landslide vote victory crushing the cabal puppets.

    The situation I see here right now is that the vote, if the cabal puppets etc have their well planned way, won't even count. They've directed their effort and planning away from being wiped out in a fair vote.

    They are, effectively, bypassing the Trump team plan. The Trump team are going to have to switch track. Going for a massive vote victory is not going to work. The opposition machine that's been built up is ready to roll right over the awakened masses and they trashed votes.

    I sense, from something Trump expressed near the end of the debate that he's thinking of cancelling the election somehow. I've no idea how that can be done, but the logic tells me they must, and also, now, he's implied it in the debate.

    What the hell are they going to do ?
    Quote I've been seeing this popping up more and more recently in political circles that shall remain nameless, that basically the upcoming U.S. Presidential election will be null and void, if President Trump somehow loses. Let me get this straight, if Big Daddy wins all is right in the world and the white hats are now at the helm; but if he loses he, and the long suffering patriots, have been cheated.

    Of course an obvious question might be, how else to solve this stand off dilemma without voting, if the correct candidate can't win the old fashioned way at the ballot box?

    Or, am I missing something here in the treacherous landscape of 4D chess?
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    As Wade Frazier likes to put it Godzilla seldom has to raise a paw, because the people usually do his bidding before he ever needs to think of bothering.
    Reminds me of the ‘Savages’ song in Pocahontas. People always see the Godzilla in the other, and never see the Godzilla in themselves. As Michael Tsarion likes to say, “people would rather see the world burn than be forced to confront their own shadow”. Godzilla logic example:


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    Now back to my question concerning possibly not accepting the election results, or cancelling the election all together. I'll repeat it:

    Of course an obvious question might be, how else to solve this stand off dilemma without voting, if the correct candidate can't win the old fashioned way at the ballot box?

    Or, am I missing something here in the treacherous landscape of 4D chess?
    Isn’t that the role of the electoral college? To make the final choice above and beyond the results of the ballot box? Isn’t that how Trump ‘stole’ the election from Godzilla in 2016, with her supposed 3 million vote lead?

    But Norman was right, wrong thread for this particular line of questioning, and it’s not hyper partisan to point out basic forum etiquette, even in these Avalon members backwaters where the gloves come off and anything goes.

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