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    Default QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Since the QAnon phenomenon began in late October, 2017 - slowly at first and then picking up momentum and an ever growing number of followers globally - voices were raised in earnest that it was nothing more than a LARP (Live Action Role Play), a conspiracy theory, psyop and even a cult, as it has indeed taken on many of those attributes by those who are skeptical of "Q's" true intentions or who "Q" really may be?

    Is "Q" really providing insider military intelligence to enlighten the public, or is it something more sinister?

    The purpose of this thread is to discuss an opposing viewpoint, concerns, share evidence of the same and offer a counter narrative to the "Q" followers.

    (Mods please feel free to move thread or edit title as you see fit - KE)

    This video from the Kev Baker Show, outlines some of those concerns, providing evidence that "Q" just may be the "LARP of the Century".


    The Final Q'urtain For #Qanon As LARP Of The Century Fully EXPOSED! 🙈




    The Kev Baker Show
    Streamed live on Sep 5, 2018
    #TeamKBS #KevBakerShow #Truth

    Big news overnight with Jack Posobiac making good on his claims that he would publish evidence that would prove there is no military insider or Trump associate at the centre of the Qanon conspiracy. On the contrary, its turns out to be just the LARP we said it all was & with online trolls at the centre of it.

    Im getting ready for the barrage of down votes & negative comments, because people just dont like to admit they have been duped, & on this one, duped big time.

    Kev Baker comes to you from Glasgow, Scotland & is the host of The Kev Baker Show on Truth frequency radio. Kev covers topics ranging from geopolitics to the paranormal.
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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Ty KiwiElf for creating this thread. Those with an opposing view can share without feeling supporters of Q aren't being attacked, and it sure makes sense.

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Q seems like a replay of David Wilcock-sponsored hope porn. Drake was going to change the world, remember? And if he couldn't do it, surely all the supersoldiers will beam down from Mars and do it, no?

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Q seems like a replay of David Wilcock-sponsored hope porn. Drake was going to change the world, remember? And if he couldn't do it, surely all the supersoldiers will beam down from Mars and do it, no?
    How does Q seem like a replay? The two seem nothing alike to me. Although I have noticed that David Wilcox has tried to co-opt Q and call Q a part of his "Alliance" thing.

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    I have witnessed things in relation to Q. Right before he came about I was conveyed by a cybernetic source there was a new psyop coming. That psyop turned out to be Q Anon. Without going too far into unbelievable detail, I believe this is a calculated alternative media psyop by the American intelligence community.

    Corey Goode is a similar psyop to Q Anon, devised by the same people. One thing that appears obvious to me is that the real story of inside opposition is being bastardized in both Corey Goode and Q Anon's psyops. There is a real opposition being misconceived with these psyops. False versions of things are being mind programmed and psychologically anchored. Very evil agendas are being pushed forward with these 2 psyops, and the evil is quite imperceivable.

    In a nutshell: alternative media is being engulfed in darkness while it is mesmerized with false light.
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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    So I don't have to feel guilty about my Q misgivings here. Cool. For the record however I was a pessimist way before Q came along.

    One of my passing dark thoughts I envision in this regard is a similarity to the Bernie Sanders phenom. Sanders corralled young people together who wanted something other than Clinton. He attracted and gathered large groups and the energy was high, a movement was starting. I see the same in the Trump rallies. Large numbers who don't want globalism being corralled and gathered and you can feel the excitement, see the Q shirts, a movement is starting.

    But at a critical point Bernie stopped. He turned to multitudes and said, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really should follow Clinton...'

    Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

    I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

    One of several passing dark thoughts...

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    QAnon is no differant than Trump supporters, Clinton supporters,Netanyaho supporters, and so on and so on whatever supporters.

    Whether it be left, or right. It is all bull****.

    We are a Republic period.

    Not a democracy. Period again.

    This arguement about anyone in politics being a good guy is just pure ****.

    Look up. ARE THEY STILL SPRAYING? Yup. Look down now. Are the gmo crops still being planted and consumed? Yup.

    Are vaccines , and big pharma still around. Yup.

    I choose to piss on the lot of them.

    Just my minds worth.

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    My view is that the vagueness of his or her posts leaves much room for interpretation and speculation, this in itself feeds into the followers cravings and dot connecting. Secondly, IF he or she were a genuine threat to information security the various agencies who could silence him or her would silence him or her. Thirdly the posts read differently to me, suggesting more than one poster sharing the same access, but again one poster or a team, IF they were a threat they would have been closed down.

    If THEY can close down low levels like Alex Jones and scare off insiders in middle management like Edward Snowdon, imagine the team that must be set up purely dedicated to uncovering and closing down Q???

    Yet he or she broadcasts uninterrupted..

    Ergo, therefore, the ONLY logical conclusion is that either Q is a government sponsored phsyop for some unseen purpose, most likely distraction, or Q is being allowed to spill his or her beans without impediment???

    If he or she is being allowed to broadcast, one must question why? Either the content is not a threat or the content is being directed, either way it is not worth anymore of my time. In the unlikely event that he or she reveals anything conclusively useful I am fully ready to eat my hat. IMHO....x.... N

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    My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
    ...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

    I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

    One of several passing dark thoughts...
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    Going to admit ignorance on the specific topic.

    I have found the "playing field" to be a whole bunch of chatter.

    I quit paying attention to the majority of sources. I mostly read about foreign countries from their own statements, and mostly watch our government by the legislation and Executive Orders that come through, rather than a second party sensationalizing it.

    Unfortunately I've found that I could disassemble almost every trend or school of thought that comes along because for the most part they are all either promoting something (a hoax, monetary value, etc.) or trying to hide something. At some level, I find a mistake or problem with almost any public personality who does these kinds of things.

    I place a huge value on good investigative journalism such as ANNA, best coverage of Syria if you don't mind crunching it through a translator, and probably come across as brash because I tend to dismiss most of the framed dialogues and insider stuff that many people follow. Like the whole c2c phenomenon, I wouldn't spend any time with it and have no real experience with it.

    If Q is stating or implying that "U. S. is a democracy", then a bit of it is untrue, at a minimum.

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    I don't think Qanon is a LARP at all. Too much inside info and simply too much info period for someone to carry on some prank. Now, psyop? Definitely possible, since military/intel is involved. One thing I'm pretty sure is, they'll have to do something in the next 2 months that will likely prove it is real or not. I'm still a believer.

    I just posted this in the Q thread, but it's pertinent to this thread:

    It finally dawned on me what one of the main purposes of Qanon was Ö to organize us.


    Knowing that they know everything, thanks to the NSA collecting everything about everyone, they determined that there were enough of us out here who are fed up with the corruption and evil of the deep state. "They" to whom I am referring to is/are the Q-team, which I presume to be a mixture of intel/military white hats who are also fed up with the corruption and evil. With their access to all that info - what websites we visit, our comments at those websites, etc. - they were able to determine "we" vs. "they." The Q-team tallied it up and realized they had a powerful, yet untapped, disorganized army of us -- us being the decent, ordinary, every-day folk who want an honest and fair government, an end to corruption and their satanic-child-killing ways, and to just pursue happiness, enjoy life and actually live with liberty.


    Now, instead of us shouting into various echo chambers, we have been rallied around Q and now have a powerful, collective voice. Don't believe it? Check out all the Q-followers at Trump rallies, comment sections and especially Q-cited Tweets, where the Q army arrives by the hundreds and responds with a variety of comments, memes, jokes, facts, etc. that blow the bad guys out of the water. I never followed "Twitter" before or had any desire to do so. But now it puts a smile on my face to check out a Tweet referenced by Q then to scroll down below what is often some phony, sanctimonious tweet by a deep state swamp rat, and read reply after reply after reply from informed opposition that shred the mendacity to ribbons and share information that is likely to pique the interest of someone not yet in the loop to take the red pill and jump down the hole.

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Connecting dots by solving puzzles is fun and very informative for truth seekers, Q is great for this.

    The installation of hope for a brighter future in any figure/s outside ourselves as individuals or a collective - any authority figure - whether it be political, religious or otherwise, is total bull****.



    I have come to despise Q for this.

    If you havenít watched the following documentary, I highly recommend watching it, itís long but worth it.



    Then consider this; Trump gives $717 billion defense bill a green light. Here's what the Pentagon is poised to get

    Nuff said.

    Thank you for starting this thread, Kiwi. Itís nice to be able to express our opinions freely here; the fact that a number of us donít feel we can on the Q thread and how some Q followers donít seem to care about that, or refuse to acknowledge the obvious division itís creating/deepening, is concerning and sad.
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    I donít support the title of the video unless you consider personal testimony valid evidence but there are plenty of details given that may prove enlightening on closer inspection. For example; if Q no longer predicts Trump tweets then that supports the claim about the method used to make those predictions. Or, if Q continues to predict Trump tweets (and the tool still doesnít show them in advance at this time) then that invalidates that claim.

    Credit to RaiseMachine for sharing this video HERE.
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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    The video in the OP is quite revealing, and Rachel's above. Watching them I've come to learn:

    Among the Q instigators there were some good intentions, but mostly they wanted merchandising money.

    The Q instigators exploited a early twitter feed source, where twitter itself had a ten to fifteen minute delay before the tweets were published, but a 3rd party media reporting service was more instant allowing the illusion of preempting Trumps tweets, hence the +++ 'evidence of authenticity'. This has since been fixed, which is why it doesn't happen any more. The evidence shown... apoQalypse?

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Q may or may not be a psyop, but plenty of proofs have been provided over the months to show Q and Trump are working together.

    Just today I am reminded of this early evidence (11/8/17) that Q again referred to on 9/6.

    https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/0...ng-neonrevolt/

    Quote Q then responds to this post from #Anon:



    Now, this was an old #QConfirmation Q is just reminding us of. Iíll explain for those who may just be joining us, and having a hard time following along:

    Back in November, when Q was relatively new, one of the earliest proofs of his validity came in the form of this post:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...548608/photo/1


    If you were to save that image directly from Twitter, the filename starts the phrase DOITQ. See:



    Thus, the chances of this happening randomly are:



    And Q is highlighting these ďcoincidencesĒ because of the #Microchip drama that continues to unfold.
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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
    ...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

    I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

    One of several passing dark thoughts...

    Hi onawah and Helene, you might want to listen to this interview with Steve Pieczenik. It would be all over youtube by now, but . . . .



    Not quite central to the point of referring you to the interview, but, Mike Pence isn't evangelical. He's catholic.


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    Quote Published on Feb 16, 2018

    A Navy Gunner who held a Top Secret\ Sensitive compartmentalized Information (TS\SCI) clearance speaks to us about concerns with the ongoing Qanon revelations.
    Has Q claimed Q clearance, or is that theorised by QAnon, or is that just what the MSM is saying? Iím wondering because if that were true, and Trump was a part of it (Iím assuming thatís inferred by his part in the thumbs photo), then wouldnít Trump be making himself a sitting duck and leaving himself wide open for prosecution since itís secret information. Or is Q not dropping secret information, in which case; whatís the point?

    QAnon keeps suggesting to read the source ourselves when weíre not convinced but why canít QAnon just answer questions, since theyíve been keeping up and itís a lot to read for casual and/or sceptical observers? It would serve Q to either become direct at this point or more accommodating, since otherwise one is left with the impression that it requires a kind of brainwashing to be comprehended.

    This isnít constructive when you have the MSM calling QAnon a cult; not for Q/QAnon or any of the fields of research QAnon covers. Too bad for everyone else who has taken great care to maintain credibility in these fields throughout the years. If itís not a provable or easily demonstrated theory then isnít it irresponsible to not at least acknowledge that and be reasonable about it, instead of behaving like a bunch of JWs bashing us with their bibles?

    Questions asked in earnest. Best to all.
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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    According to the first article I read about him, he was Catholic, but then became an Evangelical. In this article, he describes himself as a born again Evangelical Catholic:
    https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-...lical-catholic
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    My dark thought is about hearing "We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow my Evangelical Christian VP Mike Pence."
    ...Inasmuch as it looks like the Democrat's candidate is sure to lose...

    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Will Trump at a critical point, stop and turn to the multitudes and say, 'We fought a good fight, but I have to leave now. You really need to follow_________....'

    I don't know who or what fills the blank but methinks it will be deflating at best and at worst depressing.

    One of several passing dark thoughts...

    Hi onawah and Helene, you might want to listen to this interview with Steve Pieczenik. It would be all over youtube by now, but . . . .



    Not quite central to the point of referring you to the interview, but, Mike Pence isn't evangelical. He's catholic.


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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    I'd like to thank KiwiElf for starting this thread. It's important for members (not just myself!) to be able to offer a sane, argued, courteous, grounded, alternative view without fear of an arrogant, sarcastic response.

    (And @KiwiElf: you have fairly often verbally bullied and/or belittled those who even ask questions and aren't as familiar with the material as you openly pride yourself to be. That's not okay. I'm assuming that because you started this thread, you are aware of this, so thank you again.)


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    */mod hat on*

    Iím glad we have a thread where people on the fence can express divergent views without being challenged, proved wrong, overwhelmed, or picked apart. I appreciate Kiwi 🥝 starting it. This thread was probably long overdue.

    I will be assisting in moderating this thread to ensure it remains a safe space for Q skeptics, doubters, people on the fence, and those looking for more information and discussion

    If Iím posting as a moderator, Iíll let you know that my mod hat is on (like I did above). Negative name calling or insulting another member (regardless of their belief system) is not in line with our forum guidelines and will result in post deletion, post editing, and/or a forum timeout.

    There is not and will not be a reading or watching requirement for posting in this thread, and, this will not be a place to push Q posts or convince disbelievers that they are wrong.

    Members are doing a very fine job with regular Q updates and Q analysis here- http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...swamp-critters

    Given the passionate emotional and time investment involved with Q Anon Research, content in this thread may be difficult for some people to read. Please, be respectful and stay on topic for this thread.

    Also, this is not a Q Apologist thread- Q researchers donít need to worry about countering these opposing viewpoints in this thread. If you would like to engage in Q apologetics, please create a separate thread on that topic.

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