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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    @Star Mariner.
    It's definitely not some millenial larper nerd. No way. They'd do it a few weeks before tiring of the hoax. (then bragging about it). This is almost a year now that it's been going on.

    It's either real or Intel agencies. They specialize in disinfo. But if the latter WHY?? I would think they have enough control over most of media to manipulate everyone hither and thither. Why this extra work at manipulation? What do they want from not only trump supporters but many on the fence alternative media folk/constituents.

    If Intel/disinfo, what is it they're trying to do??

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Quote Posted by Vangelo (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    ... trump IS being attacked, by bad guys. And, if trump is being attacked by known ruling elite psychopaths (he is), then he must be a good guy, that's the reasoning I see put forth by trump supporters. I get where the confusion is coming from. But being attacked by hillary or bernie or mccain doesn't mean someone is a good guy - it means a different, very powerful and very malevolent group of gangsters is in a turf war, and trump is sitting in the seat hillary so coveted. I'm outside the false dichotomy. The dnc corporation is just as evil as the rnc corporation. The rnc corporation is holding the talking stick - the power - now, so I direct my ire at the rnc and its spokesmodel. ... I look at the whole problem, not half of it.
    Well said (RE: they are equally corrupt). The phrase 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' acknowledges that the friend in this case is still your enemy. I interpret your post to be a warning i.e. lets not forget that the friendly enemy is still your enemy.

    Having said that, I don't believe Trump is so naive as to believe the RNC is truly supporting him. They too are part of the swamp. For now, he needs the RNC to fight this battle. I do believe the majority of Trump supports know this.

    I read your post to also say, Trump is evil too. I agree in that I also believe his motives are in service to him personally. He is motivated to be the top dog and will indeed step on others. However, I believe he wants to do this within a government and political structure based on the unencumbered, sovereign individual. This is the basis of the Constitution. For me, this is the battle. On the other hand, the RNC and DNC are motivated to diminish if not destroy that concept.
    My take is Trump and his ilk support libertarianism for the masses. And, if they gain or maintain power, individuals are going to get 'freedom from govt.', and they are going to get it good and hard.

    There will still be corporate and military socialism as your tax dollars pay for wars to support the petrodollar hegemony. Oh, and there will be plenty of welfare for Space force to militarize space.

    But social security? Help for the poor and dispossessed? Under a Pence regime, the contingency plan is likely to let the churches take care of all of that. No worries about a nanny state. You will have a Christian 'manna' state. Convert or die hungry.

    Medicare? If you're lucky...maybe some pale version of what is currently available.

    As Dennis is taking pains to illuminate, repeatedly...the enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend. Q is remarkably silent about Israel and Saudi Arabia. Hmmmm....

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    @Star Mariner.
    It's definitely not some millenial larper nerd. No way. They'd do it a few weeks before tiring of the hoax. (then bragging about it). This is almost a year now that it's been going on.

    It's either real or Intel agencies. They specialize in disinfo. But if the latter WHY?? I would think they have enough control over most of media to manipulate everyone hither and thither. Why this extra work at manipulation? What do they want from not only trump supporters but many on the fence alternative media folk/constituents.

    If Intel/disinfo, what is it they're trying to do??
    Q, if it is intel, is likely military intelligence--one of the branches of the 'deep state' that so many are unaware of. They are at odds with the civilian letter agencies that gained traction under the democrats.

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    @Star Mariner.
    It's definitely not some millenial larper nerd. No way. They'd do it a few weeks before tiring of the hoax. (then bragging about it). This is almost a year now that it's been going on.

    It's either real or Intel agencies. They specialize in disinfo. But if the latter WHY?? I would think they have enough control over most of media to manipulate everyone hither and thither. Why this extra work at manipulation? What do they want from not only trump supporters but many on the fence alternative media folk/constituents.

    If Intel/disinfo, what is it they're trying to do??
    Q, if it is intel, is likely military intelligence--one of the branches of the 'deep state' that so many are unaware of. They are at odds with the civilian letter agencies that gained traction under the democrats.
    If it is the CIa or 'letter' agencies as you put it - why are they doing this? Why are they putting this effort into this for almost a year? What would be the point of false hope? Wouldn't the globalists be more empowered if trump supporters or alt crowd was demoralized?

    As far as military intelligence they are the supposed white hats, the author of Q if I have the pro Q-cover story straight which I may not.
    I had in mind in my post above what I consider the globalist based Intel, such as CIA.
    I'm no expert in this for sure.

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    @Ratzinger - "...They know no one will be behind the FED in every country but everyone will hop on board to bring the FED down to the ground and stomp it dead and they'll all jump right in to do that! What they don't get is that the same sick people that owned the FED are now the ones that will instigate the new currency and the new policies it brings which will soon tell them all this is how its going to be now and you have no choice, no borders, no different currency..."

    I'm not sure people are as naive as you are stating. If the proposal is to end the Fed but supplanted by purely digital currency many of us know that signifies even less control than we already have. I think people want to know what would the central banking model be replaced with before willy nilly stomping it dead to the ground as you put it...

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    Helene, the deep state has many factions, some of which are simpatico, others not and a few openly hostile and struggling with one another for dominance.

    The letter agencies, like CIA, are currently more aligned with the Dems or 'liberals.' And this extends to what you would call liberal media and entertainment. Through they are not supposed to concern themselves with domestic operations, they most certainly do and have done so for a very long time.

    Geographically they are more coastal and their affinities are more academic, Wall Street.

    Military Intel is centered more in the heartland and the South and has closer affinities to the religious right, big oil and therefore Israel and Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. Their is some cultural fusion through Christian Zionism and lots of back and forth common interests and traffic between Saudi Arabia and Texas.

    I suspect Q is military intelligence and is working to undermine the CIA as he or she or they appear to be pro-military.

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    Helene, the deep state has many factions, some of which are simpatico, others not and a few openly hostile and struggling with one another for dominance.

    The letter agencies, like CIA, are currently more aligned with the Dems or 'liberals.' And this extends to what you would call liberal media and entertainment. Through they are not supposed to concern themselves with domestic operations, they most certainly do and have done so for a very long time.

    Geographically they are more coastal and their affinities are more academic, Wall Street.

    Military Intel is centered more in the heartland and the South and has closer affinities to the religious right, big oil and therefore Israel and Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. Their is some cultural fusion through Christian Zionism and lots of back and forth common interests and traffic between Saudi Arabia and Texas.

    I suspect Q is military intelligence and is working to undermine the CIA as he or she or they appear to be pro-military.
    I'm glad you feel you have the flow chart of intel agencies figured out!
    I'll stick to my old fashioned former activist label of Cointelpro, the umbrella project of disinfo working against the citizenry.
    It doesn't click for me that this year long work, a year of Q, towards those in the Alt community and trump supporters is just a mind/power game between intel agencies though that is interesting.
    I feel someone is trying to do something to the citizenry here and that is what concerns me.

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    My guess is that Q, and Trump, have some deep, dark connections, just as did the Bushes and Clintons. However, I'd guess that Trump is backed by different "mob families", perhaps more by the Kennedy's, than by the Rockefellers who seem to have been key supporters of the Bushes and Clintons.

    Joseph P. Farrell, in this recent post of his, TIDBIT: MORE ON THE Q-ANON McSHAME THEORY, links to a good read from the anti-Q side: To Q Or Not To Q (augenguy.blogspot.com).

    I disagree with Farrell and augenguy on the matter of Q, but I'll grant that I have little or no substantial and incontrovertible evidence that would bolster my case, in their eyes.

    Having lived in a town nation that has been seriously destroyed, and hosted much destruction elsewhere, all under the rule of one Mob family, I find myself cheering on the take down of that Mob family, even if it is by another Mob family that may well turn out to be just as nefarious in the long run.
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    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    @Ratzinger - "...They know no one will be behind the FED in every country but everyone will hop on board to bring the FED down to the ground and stomp it dead and they'll all jump right in to do that! What they don't get is that the same sick people that owned the FED are now the ones that will instigate the new currency and the new policies it brings which will soon tell them all this is how its going to be now and you have no choice, no borders, no different currency..."

    I'm not sure people are as naive as you are stating. If the proposal is to end the Fed but supplanted by purely digital currency many of us know that signifies even less control than we already have. I think people want to know what would the central banking model be replaced with before willy nilly stomping it dead to the ground as you put it...
    Its a consideration for sure. I don't think a person is naive or stupid but people are dumb herd animals when in groups and group think takes over. We see it and the media triggers them so en mass I think the public is that naive. It's sad they are so easily led astray but we could cite examples of this over other threads not just here. I don't know that anything will be digital in the currency other than record keeping. Seems to me the mob rather likes a loose currency they can hide in the form of light weight paper. We may see a change over to hemp paper or something such as this but as to the backing of the new currency? Perhaps it will be all that wealth they confiscate from the pedos and deviants involved in high crime and have actual physical land holdings, gold, silver and other currencies and bank accounts in such high numbers it will make things manageable again?
    To my knowledge the Rothschilds and Rockefellers are simply upper management only.
    The Payseurs, the Farneses, the Mediccis', the Aldobrandini, AKA Brandini, the Dangoor, the Sassoons, the Habsburgs, the Breakspears, I believe it's pronounced "GODOY' but I'll have to verify that last one but these are all far more powerful families than the Rothschilds or Rockefellers.

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    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Helene, the deep state has many factions, some of which are simpatico, others not and a few openly hostile and struggling with one another for dominance.

    The letter agencies, like CIA, are currently more aligned with the Dems or 'liberals.' And this extends to what you would call liberal media and entertainment. Through they are not supposed to concern themselves with domestic operations, they most certainly do and have done so for a very long time.

    Geographically they are more coastal and their affinities are more academic, Wall Street.

    Military Intel is centered more in the heartland and the South and has closer affinities to the religious right, big oil and therefore Israel and Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. Their is some cultural fusion through Christian Zionism and lots of back and forth common interests and traffic between Saudi Arabia and Texas.

    I suspect Q is military intelligence and is working to undermine the CIA as he or she or they appear to be pro-military.
    I'm glad you feel you have the flow chart of intel agencies figured out!
    I'll stick to my old fashioned former activist label of Cointelpro, the umbrella project of disinfo working against the citizenry.
    It doesn't click for me that this year long work, a year of Q, towards those in the Alt community and trump supporters is just a mind/power game between intel agencies though that is interesting.
    I feel someone is trying to do something to the citizenry here and that is what concerns me.
    Helene, this isn't just fun and games power struggle, IMHO. It is a major power struggle and shouldn't be simplified. There are NO good guys here. No white hats.

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    My guess is that Q, and Trump, have some deep, dark connections, just as did the Bushes and Clintons. However, I'd guess that Trump is backed by different "mob families", perhaps more by the Kennedy's, than by the Rockefellers who seem to have been key supporters of the Bushes and Clintons.

    Joseph P. Farrell, in this recent post of his, TIDBIT: MORE ON THE Q-ANON McSHAME THEORY, links to a good read from the anti-Q side: To Q Or Not To Q (augenguy.blogspot.com).

    I disagree with Farrell and augenguy on the matter of Q, but I'll grant that I have little or no substantial and incontrovertible evidence that would bolster my case, in their eyes.

    Having lived in a town nation that has been seriously destroyed, and hosted much destruction elsewhere, all under the rule of one Mob family, I find myself cheering on the take down of that Mob family, even if it is by another Mob family that may well turn out to be just as nefarious in the long run.
    Trump is backed by the hard right fundamentalist military, IMHO. He is the chosen to fail candidate used as a Trojan horse by the Christian fundamentalists. Notice how quiet they are lately? He got the wealthy their tax cuts so it's time to go now!

    That anonymous letter in the New York Times is a military op. Now that Trump is of no use to them, they want him out of there and their candidate of choice IN. I noted that the apparently unelected 'steady state' author mentioned that Trump had done a few positive things, like increase military spending and cut taxes for the rich??

    Prepare for Pence. And those who think Trump is the worst thing that could happen are in for a big surprise. They are ALL SO bad, so immoral, amoral.
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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Helene, the deep state has many factions, some of which are simpatico, others not and a few openly hostile and struggling with one another for dominance.

    The letter agencies, like CIA, are currently more aligned with the Dems or 'liberals.' And this extends to what you would call liberal media and entertainment. Through they are not supposed to concern themselves with domestic operations, they most certainly do and have done so for a very long time.

    Geographically they are more coastal and their affinities are more academic, Wall Street.

    Military Intel is centered more in the heartland and the South and has closer affinities to the religious right, big oil and therefore Israel and Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. Their is some cultural fusion through Christian Zionism and lots of back and forth common interests and traffic between Saudi Arabia and Texas.

    I suspect Q is military intelligence and is working to undermine the CIA as he or she or they appear to be pro-military.
    I'm glad you feel you have the flow chart of intel agencies figured out!
    I'll stick to my old fashioned former activist label of Cointelpro, the umbrella project of disinfo working against the citizenry.
    It doesn't click for me that this year long work, a year of Q, towards those in the Alt community and trump supporters is just a mind/power game between intel agencies though that is interesting.
    I feel someone is trying to do something to the citizenry here and that is what concerns me.
    Helene, this isn't just fun and games power struggle, IMHO. It is a major power struggle and shouldn't be simplified. There are NO good guys here. No white hats.
    You're still making it sound as if you feel the Energy/the effort/the work/the Project is mainly being exchanged between competing Intel agencies. I feel the energy is being directed at certain groups of citizens.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    My guess is that Q, and Trump, have some deep, dark connections, just as did the Bushes and Clintons. However, I'd guess that Trump is backed by different "mob families", perhaps more by the Kennedy's, than by the Rockefellers who seem to have been key supporters of the Bushes and Clintons.

    Joseph P. Farrell, in this recent post of his, TIDBIT: MORE ON THE Q-ANON McSHAME THEORY, links to a good read from the anti-Q side: To Q Or Not To Q (augenguy.blogspot.com).

    I disagree with Farrell and augenguy on the matter of Q, but I'll grant that I have little or no substantial and incontrovertible evidence that would bolster my case, in their eyes.

    Having lived in a town nation that has been seriously destroyed, and hosted much destruction elsewhere, all under the rule of one Mob family, I find myself cheering on the take down of that Mob family, even if it is by another Mob family that may well turn out to be just as nefarious in the long run.
    Trump is backed by the hard right fundamentalist military, IMHO. He is the chosen to fail candidate used as a Trojan horse by the Christian fundamentalists. Notice how quiet they are lately?

    That anonymous letter in the New York Times is a military op. They want him out of there and their candidate of choice IN. Prepare for Pence. And those who think Trump is the worst thing that could happen are in for a big surprise.
    Agreed! Preacher Pence will be an even bigger threat to Roe vs Wade to the left. From the frying pan to the fire!

    I do agree to a large extent with Dennis> Thanks Dennis I read all your posts. Breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. I do believe it's going to be out with the old boss hello to the new boss in a nutshell descriptor.

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    Q is likely trying to stoke affinities between groups to create a big tent that may just soften a larger cohort of Americans up for an eventual overt military dictatorship. I can't glean anymore from the bits that I know, but I see typical pro military patriotic overkill in the last 'drop.'

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    Wow... an evangelical America?? In 2018? No bloody way. We are far too secular. If trump stepped down or was removed pence would be such a temporary blip on the screen. Interesting, but Too funny

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Q is likely trying to stoke affinities between groups to create a big tent that may just soften a larger cohort of Americans up for an eventual overt military dictatorship. I can't glean anymore from the bits that I know, but I see typical pro military patriotic overkill in the last 'drop.'
    Yes and like another thread as of late it seems to always be, "next week" just wait til next week after the next secret meeting, and so it goes. If this is another wild goose chase it will be devastating to some. It just seems to be getting that same familiar feeling of 'tomorrow', just wait til tomorrow ! How many times have we heard 'Disclosure is "IMMINENT'?

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    Helene, I pay attention to large groups who go almost radio silent in the msm if it persists. And this is persistent. Pence is a virtual non-entity. Quiet as heck. Hmmmm..... not proof of anything but useful back pocket read on things for me.

    The last time I had this sense was just before 911, when I had the feeling that the Middle East was eerily quiet, nothing in the news. That changed radically. But, it is my own sense of things so really only important to me. Not evidence.

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    Wow... an evangelical America?? In 2018? No bloody way. We are far too secular. If trump stepped down or was removed pence would be such a temporary blip on the screen. Interesting, but Too funny
    The U.S is one of the most radically religious countries on Earth. Adding to its potency as a shaper of culture is the fact that it is all entwined with patriotism. It's a one two punch. And yet there is Miley Cyrus ... Strange hybrid. Pat Robertson and Miley Cyrus.

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    Between the midterm elections and whether or not Trump declassifies Fisa docs is going to help at least some of us make up our minds about a few things. At least I hope so...

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    Default Re: QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

    Does anyone remember what happened on this date, 17 years ago?

    Is there anyone on Project Avalon that thinks that the story about 17 Saudi Arabian + 2 other hijackers, the mastermind in the Afghani cave, the buildings that impossibly fell down at freefall acceleration speed, the airplanes that all disobeyed laws of physics and vanished, NORAD conveniently shut down for 2 hours, multiple military wargames echoing the "real" attack, etc., etc., etc. - was real?

    No one?

    Good.

    Then you probably know that the actual people who planned and executed 9/11 still control the US government. You also know that 3 successive US presidents - representing the only two political parties in the US - have done everything possible to cover-up the 9/11 perpetrator's tracks.

    The actual people who planned and executed 9/11 still control the US government. Think about that. Joint Chiefs of Staff (heads of the enforcement wing of the Deep State), the CIA, FBI, DHS (all Deep State.) The very same people that created the plan to take control of the Middle East oil reserves and help zionist Israel kill their enemies. The very same people that are attacking Syria right now are Deep State.

    Below, is a "q drop" that I just copied from the q believer's thread. Just exactly what about 9/11 is it that they will never forget? Will they never forget that it was the largest and most elaborate false flag in history? Or, will they will never "forget" the USA, INC. official, Deep State pack of lies?

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    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:30:42 8b50ae (4) No.2966091

    File (hide): 3f649767c337a80⋯.jpg (11.52 KB, 275x183, 275:183, 9-11.jpg) (h) (u)


    >>2965953
    WE WILL NEVER FORGET!
    WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE!
    Q
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