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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Name the "US officials", wall street journal. It's needed for the warrant to arrest them.


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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Sometimes I think the only way we are going to get the truth, is by sharing information with each other, from all over the world with people we know and trust.

    Dumb question, but does anyone know someone in Syria who they trust, just an average Joe, who could give some insight?
    "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone when we are uncool." From the movie "Almost Famous""l "Let yourself stand cool and composed before a million universes." Walt Whitman

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Thank you Bill. No way did I set out to start a divisive thread. I'm sure it's related to all the political fallout. And thanks changing the title. Bet you changed a few 30-50 by now of mine to make posts clearer...

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    So it hasn't happened yet and the white hats have a picture of the future?

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    The issue goes back some years and in this 2013 speech Obama shares his feelings. It seems to me that both Administrations want to end the problem....



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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    President Bashar al-Assad has approved a gas attack in the Idlib province, which is the country’s last rebel stronghold. Where is the rest of World ie The EU????? Where's is NATO? Why does the U.S. need to be the World Police? There should be a World outcry by every Country.
    There is substantial connection between this thread, and another thread: USA, INC.'s Trump Gives Go-Ahead for False Flag Gas Attack in Syria.

    In one case, it is supposedly Syrian President Assad who has given the go ahead, and in the other case it is US President Trump who has done so.
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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    James Howard Kunstler, in an article over at Russia Insider, does a fine job of explaining what might be behind these bogus claims of another chemical weapon attack in Syria, whether supposedly authorized by Assad or by Trump.

    In his article Are US 'Intel' Geniuses Ginning Up ANOTHER Syria Gassing Hoax to Distract From Their Legal Jeopardy at Home?, Kunstler writes:

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    Are US 'Intel' Geniuses Ginning Up ANOTHER Syria Gassing Hoax to Distract From Their Legal Jeopardy at Home?

    "Excuse me if I am skeptical about anything the US Intel “community” dredges up these days in the way of breaking news. Branches of that sprawling vine are already infected with creeping rot."

    And so the Golden Golem of Greatness re-enters the hall of mirrors that Syria has become. The US intelligence “community” has informed the US Media that Syrian President Assad is planning a new gas attack on Idlib Province, where a ragtag army of US-backed “rebels” (ISIS, etc) remain holed up against Assad’s forces backed by Russian air support. Have we seen this movie before?

    Is Mr. Assad truly that dumb? — since the last time a gas attack was alleged (and actually never proven), Mr. Trump averred that he would attack Syria. And what did he even mean by that? Send a barrel bomb down the Assad family chimney, or just blow up more stuff on the ground? And for what? To birth another failed state in the Middle East (just what the world needs), or perhaps start World War Three with Russia? (Ditto, with a cherry on top.)

    Excuse me if I am skeptical about anything the US intel “community” dredges up these days in the way of breaking news. Branches of that sprawling vine are already infected with creeping rot. I speak, of course, of the upper echelons of the FBI especially and their counterparts in the CIA orbit (ex-Directors John Brennan, Michael Hayden, ex DNI James Clapper and their cronies still on-the-job). Just as there is loose talk about an Assad gas attack, there’s also a lot of loose talk around the Internet that a large number of US intel communitarians are about to be busted for their political misconduct around the 2016 election. I’ll believe that when I see it on Glenn Greenwald’s Twitter feed.

    Anyway, the Assad gas attack story does raise the question whether the intel community is ginning up a gigantic and ugly distraction from its own inconvenient legal exposure. Mounting evidence shows an orchestrated campaign by them to meddle in the 2016 elections, and continue meddling afterward to thwart, discredit, delegitimize, and defame Mr. Trump, for the purpose of leaving him little room to act. To a considerable extent, the Golden Golem of Greatness has managed to act anyway. For instance, transforming the Supreme Court.

    The likely confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh may be a last straw for the “Resistance.” It would certainly affect the adjudication of any new disputes that arise over relations between Mr. Trump and Special Counsel Robert Mueller in the weeks ahead. The Mueller investigation into 2016 election “collusion” between Russia and Trump looks more and more like a case of displacement-projection syndrome, since dumpster-loads of evidence now point to collusion between the Hillary campaign, the DNC, a cast of rogue spooks from the CIA, various FBI officers, and British Intelligence in a scheme that is now going to grand juries.

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    There's quite a bit more to Kunstler's article, at Are US 'Intel' Geniuses Ginning Up ANOTHER Syria Gassing Hoax to Distract From Their Legal Jeopardy at Home?

    Enjoy -- my guess is that this is one of, if not the key, operations being laid down by the American Deep State Intelligence (hardly "American" and hardly "Intelligent", but certainly Deeply embedded in the State) to exert some leverage over Donald Trump and offer some distraction to the American people, in order to blunt the force of criminal and treasonous revelations and prosecutions being unveiled by Trump's administration.

    I am crossing my fingers and toes in hope that all this sound and fury over potential or supposedly authorized (whether by Syrian Assad or American Trump) chemical weapons attacks are an indication that the Deep State actually lacks the reliable ability anymore to pull off such an attack, and so must resort to shouting about the threat of the possibility of an attack.

    In any case I certainly share Kunstler's skepticism over anything that US "Intelligence" dredges up these days in the way of breaking news, and it is self evident to me that both of these stories, one blaming Assad and one blaming Trump, have their origins in the treasonous and murderous halls of US "Intelligence."

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    The issue goes back some years and in this 2013 speech Obama shares his feelings. It seems to me that both Administrations want to end the problem....
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    No, this is simply the previous war criminal US president following Deep State orders - which we citizens became acutely aware of with the revelations of the PNAC documents, and slapped with cold water by ret. General Wesley Clark telling us about "7 countries in 5 years."

    Obama is a very polished, articulate, glib, psychopathic mobster, with a big Deep State hand up his backside, not some sweet kindergarten teacher who wants to give the world a hug.

    The US State Department admits that Assad and the Syrian Army (the real one) is winning, and was winning before each of the false-flage "gas attacks" were staged. It's not even a good, logical ruse that the Deep State is peddling. To believe them, you have to believe that Assad was winning the war against the terrorists (ISIS, al Qaeda, alNusra - all controlled and funded by the CIA, Mossad, and Saudi Arabia), and to celebrate, he decided to gas some of his citizens, thereby turning the entire world against him? Does that make any sense to you?





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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    Sometimes I think the only way we are going to get the truth, is by sharing information with each other, from all over the world with people we know and trust.

    Dumb question, but does anyone know someone in Syria who they trust, just an average Joe, who could give some insight?
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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    It's always the same, GAMES FOR GAINS, in whatever form.
    Those kind of games can have very disastrous outcomes eventually.

    It needs quite some discernment to be able to recognize them all the time.

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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    Sometimes I think the only way we are going to get the truth, is by sharing information with each other, from all over the world with people we know and trust.

    Dumb question, but does anyone know someone in Syria who they trust, just an average Joe, who could give some insight?
    PartisanGirl, that’s her twitter and YouTube name at least. She’s been reporting on the Syrian side of the story since the “intelligence” communities war to overthrow Assad began.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Partisang...twgr%5Eprofile

    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/partisangirl/


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    It's always the same, GAMES FOR GAINS, in whatever form.
    Those kind of games can have very disastrous outcomes eventually.

    It needs quite some discernment to be able to recognize them all the time.
    Its a very high stakes game as the truth about Syria will bring down governments!

    (AS IT SHOULD)

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    It's always the same, GAMES FOR GAINS, in whatever form.
    Those kind of games can have very disastrous outcomes eventually.

    It needs quite some discernment to be able to recognize them all the time.
    Its a very high stakes game as the truth about Syria will bring down governments!

    (AS IT SHOULD)

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    From RT:

    Quote Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.
    Several Middle East TV channels and one US news channel have been sent to the city of Jisr al-Shughur in Syria’s Idlib governorate to produce the footage needed for the provocation, a statement by the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation said in a statement.

    The statement said an Islamist group was provided with two canisters of a “chlorine-based chemical” for the purpose of the operation.

    The Russian military said the footage would include scenes of White Helmets operatives treating supposed victims of an apparent barrel bomb chemical weapon attack by Damascus.
    https://www.rt.com/news/438158-stage...-attack-idlib/
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    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)
    From RT:

    Quote Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.
    Several Middle East TV channels and one US news channel have been sent to the city of Jisr al-Shughur in Syria’s Idlib governorate to produce the footage needed for the provocation, a statement by the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation said in a statement.

    The statement said an Islamist group was provided with two canisters of a “chlorine-based chemical” for the purpose of the operation.

    The Russian military said the footage would include scenes of White Helmets operatives treating supposed victims of an apparent barrel bomb chemical weapon attack by Damascus.
    https://www.rt.com/news/438158-stage...-attack-idlib/
    As is said in the RT article:
    Moscow has repeatedly warned that a false flag chemical weapon attack was being prepared in Idlib, giving the US and its allies justification to attack Syrian government forces. Senior US officials have threatened Damascus with retaliation if it uses chemical weapons in Idlib and even preemptively assigned the blame for any such attack to the government.

    There we go again.

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    Quote Posted by ichingcarpenter (here)
    So it hasn't happened yet and the white hats have a picture of the future?

    NICE PHOTO IN YOUR POST

    blow up the photo it comes from the white hats.
    They will probably come up with that same picture the OP posted, of the White Helmets guy helping the kid.
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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Filming of staged chemical attack in Syrian Idlib begins - Russian MoD

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    Published time: 11 Sep, 2018 11:25
    Edited time: 11 Sep, 2018 12:10
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    FILE PHOTO. Aftermath of an alleged chemical weapons attack in Eastern Ghouta in April 2018. © White Helmets / Reuters

    Footage, meant to serve as proof that the Syrian government has conducted a chemical weapons attack in Idlib, Syria, is to be handed to global news outlets by the end of Tuesday, the Russian military claims.


    FILE PHOTO: A man tries an improvised gas mask in Idlib, Syria © Khalil Ashawi / Reuters

    Several Middle East TV channels and a US news channel have been sent to Jisr al-Shughur in Syria’s Idlib Governorate to produce the footage needed for the provocation, a statement by the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation said. It added the intelligence came from local residents of Jisr al-Shughur.

    “All the footage of the staged provocation in Jisr al-Shughur is to be delivered to the newsrooms of TV channels, which are to broadcast it after its publication on social media,” the statement claimed.

    It also said that an Islamist group was provided with two canisters of a “chlorine-based chemical” for the purpose of the operation.

    The Russian military said the footage would include scenes of White Helmets operatives treating supposed victims of an apparent barrel bomb chemical weapon attack by Damascus.

    Moscow has repeatedly warned that a false flag chemical weapon attack was being prepared in Idlib, giving the US and its allies justification to attack Syrian government forces. Senior US officials have threatened Damascus with retaliation if it uses chemical weapons in Idlib and even preemptively assigned the blame for any such attack to the government.


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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Yes, they're getting trigger happy, American news people with MI6 are going in there to Hollywood of Idlib to cook up some excuse for the so-called "stronger response". In the East with some Kurds they are building up equipment and forces and causing all kinds of problems. But yeah, the chemical thing should be their excuse for missile attacks, however it's being watched. I don't know if exposure actually stops it from happening. The third side of Turkey is in there in a big way to be the one who cleans up Idlib.

    Syria actually imposed a cease fire in the area due to the gas thing. Meanwhile, they are still digging up civilians that the U. S. killed last year.

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    Sometimes I think the only way we are going to get the truth, is by sharing information with each other, from all over the world with people we know and trust.

    Dumb question, but does anyone know someone in Syria who they trust, just an average Joe, who could give some insight?
    Look up Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett. It's nearly 3 am and I'm crashing, or I'd go get some links to share ...
    Absolutely, yes - all the way with those two. Absolutely the very best for Syria related material.

    Eva Bartlett Twitter here

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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    WORKING GROUP ON SYRIA, PROPAGANDA and MEDIA

    Its list of members can be seen here: http://syriapropagandamedia.org/about/members

    Tim Hayward is one of the researchers and members involved in this working group and the following extremely well presented and necessarily exhaustive and detailed report summary provides very good background indeed to events going on in Syria since at least 2014.

    I've lifted the Summary from here for now as it serves a critical brief.

    It is intelligently and objectively written, and thorough in its content and I’d recommend this as an absolute must read for members and guests alike wishing to try and make sense of the conflicting messages being broadcast. [Tintin]

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    DOUMA: Alleged Chemical Attack – in Depth Briefing from Members of the Working Group on Syria Propaganda and Media

    The Full Report here

    Briefing note: the alleged chemical attack in Douma on 7 April 2018, and other alleged chlorine attacks in Syria since 2014

    vanessa beeley | August 22, 2018

    Paul McKeigue, Jake Mason, David Miller, Piers Robinson

    1. SUMMARY

    • Early statements by the US and French governments that a nerve agent had been used in the alleged chemical attack in Douma on 7 April 2018 were rebutted by the OPCW Fact-Finding mission which reported that neither environmental samples obtained on-site nor blood samples from purported victims contained any trace of nerve agent. This indicates that the US and French governments were poorly informed at the time of the US-led missile attack on Syria on 14 April.

    The Prime Minister misled the House of Commons by stating on 16 April that the OPCW team had been prevented from visiting the Douma attack site by the Syrian authorities and the Russian military, and may also have misled the House by stating that the US-led missile attack was “specifically targeted at three sites” allegedly associated with chemical weapons (rather than targeted on Syrian military infrastructure as reported elsewhere).

    • The OPCW Fact-Finding Mission did not reach any conclusion as to whether a chemical attack had taken place. The detection of chlorinated organic compounds in environmental samples is consistent with release of chlorine from a gas cylinder at the two alleged attack sites, but this does not distinguish between a chemical attack and a staged incident.

    • Experts agreed that the images showing bodies of victims lying close together in an apartment building were not compatible with exposure only to chlorine, from which the victims would have been able to escape by moving to the windows or leaving the building. This is supported by experience of industrial accidents with chlorine in which those exposed are usually able to escape.

    • As no nerve agent degradation products were detected and the positions of the victims’ bodies are not compatible with death from chlorine exposure on the spot, the only remaining explanation is that the victims were killed by other means.

    • Other observations favour a managed massacre rather than a chemical attack as the explanation for the Douma incident:-
    • the positioning of the gas cylinders is more consistent with staging than with an air-dropped munition
    • at the site where most victims were shown, a fire was lit in the room
    underneath the gas cylinder.

    • For chlorine to be useful as a weapon, it would have to be released on an industrial scale as in 1915 rather than as a single cylinder or barrel dropped from the air.

    • Assessments by the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission that chlorine had been used as a weapon in Syria between 2014 and 2017 were based on secondary sources without on-site inspections. This violates a precept that OPCW had set for itself in 2013.

    • The conclusions of the Fact-Finding Mission that use of chlorine in alleged attacks in Syria between 2014 and 2018 was “likely” or supported “with a high degree of confidence” relied on witnesses and samples provided by purported non-governmental organizations with access to opposition-held areas of Syria. These organizations included:
    a “CBRN Task Force” set up by an agent of the intelligence service of a state committed to one side in the Syrian conflict
    • Same Justice / CVDCS, a Brussels-based organization whose operations are not transparent
    the White Helmets, who would themselves be implicated if these incidents were staged
    • In relation to one of the incidents from which the CBRN Task Force collected materials — the alleged chlorine barrel bomb attack in Talmenes on 21 April 2014 — the UN/OPCW Joint Investigative Mechanism found clear evidence of staging at one of the two alleged locations.

    • In a widely-publicized incident in Sarmin on 16 March 2015, the deaths of a family of six were allegedly caused by a chlorine barrel bomb. For this incident the alleged munition is implausible, the alleged mode of delivery is improbable, and the images of the child victims in hospital are consistent with drug overdose rather than chlorine exposure as the cause of death. Despite evidence that the incident had been staged, the Leadership Panel of the UN/OPCW Joint Investigative Mechanism — Gamba, Meritani and Schanze — relied on information obtained from unspecified “other sources” to conclude that a Syrian air force helicopter had dropped a chemical weapon.
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    Default Re: Fox News claims that Syria's Assad gives go ahead for gas attack

    White Helmets making films of ‘chemical attacks’ with orphans in Idlib – Russian military

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    Published time: 12 Sep, 2018 13:50
    Edited time: 12 Sep, 2018 15:06



    FILE PHOTO The aftermath of what White Helmets group claims was a suspected
    chemical attack in Douma, April, 7, 2018 White Helmets / Reuters


    The White Helmets have shot at least nine videos intended to serve as proof in accusations that the Syrian government conducted a chemical weapon attack using chlorine against civilians in Idlib, the Russian military claims.

    A number of Middle Eastern TV channels and a regional affiliate of a US broadcaster “have shot nine videos, in Jisr al-Shughur city in Idlib province, of a staged chemical attack” that will be blamed on the Syrian government, the Russian Reconciliation Center In Syria said in a statement on Wednesday.

    All videos show activists from the White Helmets group, which purportedly provides assistance to civilians, the statement claims.

    The Russian military details that on September 11, the White Helmets and terrorists from Tahrir al-Sham (commonly known as Al-Qaeda in Syria) held a meeting following the filming process, in which they selected two out of nine videos for future transfer to the United Nations and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). The remaining videos are to be used for propaganda on social media networks due to the poor quality, the military claims.

    At the same time, since September 9, the White Helmets have been staging rehearsals of an alleged chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun, Russian officials say in the same statement, claiming that the rehearsals feature up to 30 civilians, including a dozen children aged 8-12.

    Further claims by the Russian military indicate the White Helmets, along with the terrorists, are preparing an “actual use of poisonous chorine-based substances” on the people participating in the filming of the fake videos.

    On-the-scene preparations of places for explosions of toxic substances is carried out by members of Hurras al-Din terrorist group (or the Guardians of Religion Organization, which is affiliated with Al-Qaeda), the statement claims.

    The militants have selected 22 children and their parents from several villages in the Aleppo governorate who will play parts in staging fake chemical weapon attacks.

    Another group of children is comprised of orphans kidnapped from refugee camps, who are meant to be used for the footage of death scenes. It is currently kept in one of the buildings of the Ikab prison controlled by Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group.

    Signs of activities to prepare staged chemical weapon attacks were reported in Kafir-Zait, the military claims, also naming two villages where toxic chemicals have been delivered to stage provocations.

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