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    Do you think the earth is on track for its ascension into the 5th dimension. Ive been thinking about the ascension and if or when it will happen. The ascension when the earth raises its vibration and goes from the 3rd dimension into the 5th dimension leaving the negativity behind. Do you think the earth is on a positive timeline for its ascension or is there still a chance that it will be held back by negative forces. I was thinking that there was maybe some type of alignment that happens when the planet is going to ascend I was just searching for some information on the ascension and would like to hear peoples thought about it. Thanks.

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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    When enough individuals realize that they are not a separate individual--ie Self Realization
    then ascension will come about naturally.
    Consciousness--what we are was there before creation.
    Formless became form.
    The enlightened have stated this for thousands of years--more are now getting this, evolving into their natural state ---called Self Realization.

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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    Welcome to to the forum; but I'm afraid this is a New Age fantasy with zero grounding in reality.

    If you REALLY look at the world — and particularly, if you have traveled: have you ever been outside the US? — you'll see with your own eyes that there's a vast mess to clean up that will take many generations. It's impossible to list all that here... it would take a book.

    And many books HAVE been written about
    • Environmental problems
    • Political problems
    • Societal problems
    • Governmental problems
    • Problems of distribution of resources
    • Problems of health, wellness and sanitation
    • Problems caused by psychopaths who want to control the planet
    • (and much else!)
    None of this is going to magically disappear overnight.

    — On ANY night.

    Without intending to be unkind, I'd invite you to define the vague terms you're using. For instance, what does the 'planet ascending' mean? What does '5th dimension' mean? If I may say this, I'm thinking that you probably have no clear idea what these terms really refer to, and would have trouble describing them in any meaningful way.

    We all have to work hard, and work together, to manifest a better future for both the planet and its inhabitants. But we have to do the work — and it's WORK. That takes intelligence, application, organization, ability, creativity, collaboration, honesty and justice, and a LOT of people and a LOT of time.

    Blindly hoping that something magical is going to happen to save us all is the epitome of personal disempowerment.

    I'd gently, kindly, but very clearly suggest that your personal challenge may be to wake up, figure out what you're going to do with your own life, and then start.

    No-one's going to make it easier for you. It's all on you.
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    I know that this is a easy way to discover more about ascension, try this link for many hours on that subject :

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=MAe...30.V7jC0gC4Gno
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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    thanks bill I hear what your saying and I was also thinking about that because of the entering into the age of aquarius into a called golden age if the ascension was somehow tied to that and that an age is 2600 years long so just entering the age of aquarius and seeing signs of a more enlightened world could take 200 years cause the change happens so slow. But there is also information that says it could be much closer like within our lifetime happening. I know Dolores cannon has a lot of information and a lot of the people put under gave a story of coming to earth at this time to assist in the ascension of the planet. Could having the planet ascends be the whole reason for us to be here at this time. Im not sure but sometimes I think so

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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    The pendulum will likely swing back in favor of different energies (feminine anyone?), but it won't be some magical event. Wasn't there a time when Gods were Goddesses? And there was less turmoil in the world? Before the warmongering patriarchal paradigm.

    As Greybeard suggested, we will become more aware and understanding of our existence. The energy from those changes will be life altering for the whole planet. As we move from fear to love, those at the highest levels of consciousness will drag the basement dwellers along with them. The power of love is so grand it enhances the lives of thousands residing in the more base emotions. One saves many.
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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    We are immortals beings with our higher selves already existing in the 5th dimension. We chose to have a physical experience on this strange planet so 'Ascension' would defeat the object of coming here in the first place. I would suggest we all stop worrying about the Illuminati and corrupt governments, poverty and hunger and not waste our time waiting for it to change. Otherwise we are like mainstream doctors treating the symptoms and not the cause. We all create our own reality (literally) and can create a personal heaven on earth for ourselves even in the middle of all the crap. On a collective level we create the unhappy reality of this planet. We all came here with an individual purpose and nothing will feel right until we are working on that - so it all starts with ourselves and our inner lives.

    That said, of course if we are faced with the suffering of others on a personal level we can and should do something about it. Far too many people want to change the outside world and 'help others' rather than work on their own issues.

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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    mindbend8r
    Once upon a time this forum had many supporters of the concept of ascension and no doubt there are quite a few still here.

    But honestly its the 100th monkey thing--when enough people have a sufficiently raised consciousness then "miracles" will happen.
    A rising tide lifts all boats.

    So how to personal raise you own consciousness and therefore everyone's.
    You can do all that Bill suggested.
    You can take a serious look at enlightenment---thousands of videos posted on Avalon via u tube.

    These are just suggestions.

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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    Quote Posted by mindbend8r (here)
    Could having the planet ascends...
    What does that mean? Please explain.... thx!


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    And I'm taking the liberty of copying this reply from Indigris, here on the Stunning new update from David Wilcock thread.

    Indigris is 22, but is older than many of us. I say that advisedly.

    Here's her post, and she writes better than I do. She's referring to the false hope we're seduced into, which at the same time disempowers each one of us.

    Quote Posted by Indigris (here)

    It's all delusion. Like Ascension nonsense, or now this crap about The Alliance saving us from The Bad Guys. Stupid. There is literally no evidence beyond Wilcock and his ragtag team of cronies telling us this is all happening.

    Karl Marx said religion is the opioid of the masses. He was right, and this is just another opoid for our niche little community of conspiracy theorists/UFO researchers/cryptozoologists/etc.

    Reality is scary. We are just a handful of monkeys living on a tiny blue dot in a vast universe and we have nowhere to go, yet we're destroying not only ourselves, but the dot as well. The truth is an unbearable prospect, and so people hide behind outrageous ideas as a coping mechanism.

    It's a weakness, really, but even an obese person can become fit with the right attitude. It's a lot of work, and it's going to hurt a lot, but it's entirely within your power.

    The same can be said about this.

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    So much distraction--which I fell for, for long enough.
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    Bill,

    If I may say so, I think (my humble opinion) this last comment of yours is one of your finest.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    If you REALLY look at the world — and particularly, if you have traveled: have you ever been outside the US? — you'll see with your own eyes that there's a vast mess to clean up that will take many generations. It's impossible to list all that here... it would take a book.

    And many books HAVE been written about
    • Environmental problems
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    • Societal problems
    • Governmental problems
    • Problems of distribution of resources
    • Problems of health, wellness and sanitation
    • Problems caused by psychopaths who want to control the planet
    • (and much else!)
    None of this is going to magically disappear overnight.

    — On ANY night.

    Without intending to be unkind, I'd invite you to define the vague terms you're using. For instance, what does the 'planet ascending' mean? What does '5th dimension' mean? If I may say this, I'm thinking that you probably have no clear idea what these terms really refer to, and would have trouble describing them in any meaningful way.

    We all have to work hard, and work together, to manifest a better future for both the planet and its inhabitants. But we have to do the work — and it's WORK. That takes intelligence, application, organization, ability, creativity, collaboration, honesty and justice, and a LOT of people and a LOT of time.

    Blindly hoping that something magical is going to happen to save us all is the epitome of personal disempowerment.

    I'd gently, kindly, but very clearly suggest that your personal challenge may be to wake up, figure out what you're going to do with your own life, and then start.

    No-one's going to make it easier for you. It's all on you.

    My comment, above, was referencing the above comment made by Bill. (Tried to copy/paste, but it wouldn't work for me.)
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    I don't think we are just animals or monkeys that we are a spirit in a body (maybe we sometimes forget that) that there is a reason for us to be here at this exact time on earth. That the life we are living here right now is not just a coincidence or meaningless, but that there was a reason for us to choose to be here at this time. That the spirit world that we were in before we came to earth, that there was a reason for us to come here at this time and the reason was the ascension perhaps. That us being here is raising the consciousness of the earth back into the 5th dimension. I think maybe Negative beings made the planet decend a lot time ago and they wanted to keep the planet in a state of negative energy and they have for a very long time. That we came here because now is the right time to bring the planet back up into the 5th dimension.
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    First "what is ascension"? -- this could mean a million different things, it is so vague that you can't answer any inquiries without strictly defining that in logic first.

    Second, almost any definition that can be applied to the above will never be something that "happens to us to save us" - not happening ...


    If you want to ascend, then partake in some deep and advanced spiritual and personal self development and mind training techniques - from there, you will be in a much better place to leave "your" negativity behind, and when you learn to to rid your conscious mind of it, you will no longer see it in the world, or your fellow man. From there there will still be work to do to change things physically on the earth - this personal work will just be able to guide you through it without all the world's distractions.


    That's it. That's all the "ascension" anyone needs to be concerned with. Ascension, in any way that can be valid, is a personal shift within the mind, within the consciousness - all we do is perceive and interact with our perceptions - all we can do is change the way we perceive - in fact that is all that can happen - a change in the relationship we have with our perceptions. Things occur, and anything beyond that occurrence is our subjective perception. Negativity occurs at the perception level usually not at the occurrence level, therefore it is up to you to change that, not anyone else's. And just because something isn't deemed "negative" doesn't mean it doesn't need to be changed or improved, but it helps to view things that way to ensure emotional distraction is not guiding you.

    As to the concept Greybeard alluded to - "the 100th Monkey" -- there is some truth to this, but it will come about as I described above - all personal self work. When others see how that has changed your life and made you into a person they want to be more like, you will influence those around you for the better. At some point, if enough people start working in this way, a very rapid change (very relatively speaking -- I'm talking years or decades) could alter the course of humanity in a drastic way. But that is not what "ascension" is ... "ascension" at it's best will be YOU doing the changing and learning how to "ascend" out of the negativity of the material realms from capturing and holding your attention - and from there, the world will still need our help, but at least we might be focused in that task at that point.
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    Quote Posted by mindbend8r (here)
    ... there is a reason for us to be here at this exact time on earth. That the life we are living here right now is not just a coincidence or meaningless, but that there was a reason for us to choose to be here at this time. ...
    I find this part of your post agreeable in that we can experience more lives than one life, with a purposeful progression. Yet effective action as outlined by others here provides many options to ascend, perhaps to higher states of consciousness. We are stuck with limited languages here, of ages passing us by. So i say it is OK to use slang if developing consciousness is the furthermost objective.

    Quote The only true hell is the physical world. It is in this world each individual must acquire all the necessary qualities and become his own “saviour” (from more incarnations). It is in this world that he must acquire causal consciousness and become a second self. It is in the physical world that the “kingdom of god” shall be realized. Therefore, the physical world is by far the most important world also for individuals of the fifth and sixth natural kingdoms. At each acquisition of consciousness in a new atomic kind all qualities must demonstrate their efficiency in physical matter. Therefore, at the ascension to a higher world physical incarnation is necessary. This does not at all mean that mankind may know about that incarnation. Anonymity is a protection against mankind at its present stage of development.

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    So i say it is OK to use slang if developing consciousness is the furthermost objective.
    Fully agreed. That's been at the core of my own journey, and that of many people reading this.

    But (I think greybeard and others will agree) — that takes WORK, too. It can take years of practice, whatever one's practice is.

    It's hardly instant. It even takes lifetimes.

    My question to mindbend8r (and it's an honest, straight question, because he's a new member, and we don't know him):

    Are you doing the work? Or are you assuming it's going to happen magically, so that you don't have to do it yourself?

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    But honestly its the 100th monkey thing--when enough people have a sufficiently raised consciousness then "miracles" will happen.
    A rising tide lifts all boats.

    Yes, a paradigm shift will occur, but not until we start to clean up the mess. To clean a pond of all the muck & silt at its bottom involves stirring up a bit of chaos - everything's all cloudy, mucky & in disarray because you get to see all the dis-heartening muck. Then when you siphon it out, the water becomes clear, healthy & life-supporting again.

    I suggest humanity is presently at the stage of now seeing all this dirt come up into the light of day (where much of it was skulking at the bottom of the pond) Hence the evil & chaos we are now seeing. This is the opportunity to start a clean-up, but we need a level playing field first, as there are too many people still asleep to pick up that shovel to make any real progress.

    Totally agree that we have to do this ourselves, but - I think we will be getting some kind of 'help'. Haven't a clue what that would look like (!) & let me state here that I'm not meaning the 'Unicorns farting rainbows' type of help, or UFO's landing on lawns, etc, but 'something' will happen that will shock us to the core & tip us all out of our beds & into the cold light of day. Just a gut feeling, as ever!
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    Quote Posted by mindbend8r (here)
    I don't think we are just animals or monkeys that we are a spirit in a body (maybe we sometimes forget that) that there is a reason for us to be here at this exact time on earth. That the life we are living here right now is not just a coincidence or meaningless, but that there was a reason for us to choose to be here at this time.
    All agreed.

    But, do note: monkeys do a lot less damage to the natural environment that we do. (Actually, none at all. )

    Alone among all animals that have ever existed, we're the ones that might theoretically destroy the entire planet's ecosystem.

    Go figure. Spiritually evolved? Maybe not.

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    Quote Posted by mindbend8r (here)
    That us being here is raising the consciousness of the earth back into the 5th dimension.
    ... is a meaningless statement.

    Or, to be more exact, I don't understand what it means.

    Please explain what it means.

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    Default Re: When will 'ascension' happen?

    mind, from my own personal experience, we each of us have a job to do here and the ultimate job would be to gain the self-realization Chris speaks about, absorb it (a very, very difficult task) and then come back into this place and live it by doing and being.

    Self realization, while enormously blissful, can also be terrifying and is not for the faint of heart. It can also destroy. It can only come through testing and as testing implies by its' own meaning, it is VERY hard and taxing and one must be prepared.

    I think that it is our job to reach that state, if possible, sustain it and still come back from that state and make this a better place. Some people do it consciously and others do it subconsciously. It is a lifelong process.

    Joseph Campbell has some lovely writing on it and it is called "The Hero's Journey". However, the journey is different for every single one of us and that is why it is not easily attained.

    Best to you on your journey.
    Last edited by Valerie Villars; 11th September 2018 at 21:33.
    "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone when we are uncool." From the movie "Almost Famous""l "Let yourself stand cool and composed before a million universes." Walt Whitman

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